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Area forecast discussion 
National Weather Service Twin Cities/Chanhassen Minnesota 
410 am CDT Wednesday may 22 2013 


Short term...(today and tonight) 
issued at 410 am CDT Wednesday may 22 2013 


Cool and cloudy with light rain showers will be the story today. 
Most of the forecast area is in the upper 40s to lower 50s with damp 
conditions and a northeasterly breeze early this morning...so it is 
definitely jacket weather out there. We cooled temperatures today by 
a couple degrees from the previous forecast in order to keep most of 
the area in the 50s for highs...the exception would be portions of 
west central WI which should be a few degrees warmer. There is very 
little temperature advection today and with the lingering clouds and 
light rain in the forecast...we might only be able to warm 6-8 
degrees from where temperatures stand now. Yesterday...St.Cloud only 
hit 50 degrees for a high given the cooling from the nearly 0.50" of 
rain that fell. The rain won't be nearly as heavy today...but the 
temperatures will still suffer and there may actually be slightly better 
light rain/shower coverage today. There is a back edge to the cloud 
cover in northern Minnesota which means there will be nice diurnal 
warming across the northern half of the state by this afternoon. If 
the cloud clear before or around the noon hour in central Minnesota...the 
we will likely be too low with temperatures across northern portions of the 
forecast area. However...the clearing trend does mean we have high 
confidence in the rain moving out tonight. The dewpoint depressions 
/outside of the lower boundary layer/ off the model forecast 
soundings show nice drying after midnight. 


The only other forecast concern is for the potential for a little 
fog early this evening immediately after the clouds clear. It is not 
a big concern through because we are quickly advecting in drier air 
from the northeast as we head toward Thursday morning. We left the 
fog out for now. We also kept the thunder out of the forecast today 
even though isolated thunder is still possible across Iowa/WI and 
southeast Minnesota. We just don't have the instability to be concerned too 
much with this. In fact...we even entertained the idea of changing 
the weather from light rain showers to sprinkles/drizzle today. It 
all amounts to the same thing...cool and damp. 




Long term...(thursday through tuesday) 
issued at 410 am CDT Wednesday may 22 2013 


The period begins with our pesky low pressure system finally to 
our southeast along with a substantial Canadian high pressure 
system building south across the upper Mississippi Valley region. 
Thursday and much of Friday will be fine weather days for the forecast area. 
The main concerns during this period center around very low 
dew points Thursday afternoon leading to min relative humidity values near 20 
percent in our WI County Warning Area as well as the threat for some frost/freeze 
conditions...again mainly in our WI counties Thursday night/Friday 
morning. Used the mix down dew point tool as a start for Thursday 
afternoon along with some consraw/consmos. This brought dew points 
well down into the 20s over the aforementioned area. The high 
pressure system will be nearly overhead Thursday night. With light 
winds...a clear sky and dry air in place...lows near freezing 
indicated around Ladysmith with middle 30s as far west as the 
Minnesota/WI border and well as to the north of the Twin Cities. 
Indicated frost in varying degrees of coverage starting with lows 
36 degrees or colder. 


Beginning with Friday is where things start to slowly unwind with 
model consistency. The NAM at this point is the fastest on Friday 
on bringing back showers and some thunderstorms across much of the 
Minnesota County Warning Area on Friday as moisture and instability begin to increase on 
the backside of the high. The Gem/GFS and Euro would keep all but 
the far west dry. Therefore...removed the mention of probability of precipitation in the 
12z-18z time frame and kept the 18z-24z probability of precipitation confined to the far 
west. The Gem/GFS/Euro then indicated scattered showers and 
thunderstorms across much of the forecast area Friday night and Saturday. 
Probabilities for measurable precipitation are least in the far 
eastern WI counties. Nothing too significant (rainfall/severe 
weather) expected at this time as small ripples in the upper flow 
migrate northeast out of a large upper trough in the western 
United States. 


Progressing deeper into the Holiday weekend shows two camps 
through Memorial Day. The GFS is wet across US Sunday and Monday 
while the Euro is basically dry. The difference is seen in the 
upper pattern. The pesky upper low that has tormented US for the 
past five days reaches the eastern Seaboard by Friday and deepens 
as more energy drops into it from the north. The Euro is deepest 
and slowest with this feature which actually builds the surface 
high back west for a time late in the weekend. The Gem does not 
have an upper low and allows for more progression of the upper 
pattern and plenty of rainfall. Hence...chances probability of precipitation indicates for 
many periods of the extended forecast due to the blended guidance. 


The cips analogs were looked at overnight to see what sort of severe 
weather occurred with our pattern ahead. Using the 144 hour 
analog guidance showed all forms of severe weather with the most 
clustering over South Dakota/NE/KS/IA with some severe weather reports over 
far western and far southern Minnesota. This correlates well with the GFS 
having low pressure forming during this period over the Central 
Plains with a warm front meandering to the lower Ohio Valley. The 
Euro would be a little slower. So we may Dodge severe weather 
during the weekend...but the threat will be on the increase by the 
middle of next week as the low pressure system and warm front 
advance into the northern plains and upper Mississippi Valley 
region. 


High/low temperatures will be mainly below normal through the 
weekend with a climb back above for early next week. 


&& 


Aviation...(for the 06z tafs through 06z Wednesday night) 
issued at 1056 PM CDT Tuesday may 21 2013 


Occluded system will be slow to move out of the area. Appears the 
northeast portion of the area will remain driest...with northeast 
flow trying to draw in somewhat drier air. Still looks good IFR 
conditions continuing through the night most areas. Kaxn will be 
on the edge to the northwest and krnh and Keau to the east. Light 
rain and drizzle appears most likely as the system moves through. 
As the upper low drops southeast...could see more steady rain 
develop to the southeast into the afternoon. Ceilings should gradually 
improve to MVFR late in the morning northwest and then clear out 
during the evening as the surface ridge begins to move in. This 
clearing trend expected to continue to kmsp after 05z//Thu. North 
northeast winds during the period...becoming gusty in the morning 
out west. 


Kmsp...light rain/drizzle remains on the edge across the filed. 
This may continue into early morning before main upper circulation 
drops southeast into the region...mainly after 10z. Will continue 
the IFR ceilings as well...gradually improving late morning/early 
afternoon...as main light rain area drops to the southeast. 
Clearing trend into the evening...with sky clear developing after 
06z/Wed. Northeast to north winds during the period...may become a 
bit gusty in the afternoon. Should diminish overnight as the 
surface ridge builds southeast. 


/Outlook for kmsp/ 


Thursday...VFR conditions expected. Northeast wind 5 to 15 knots. 
Thursday night...VFR conditions expected. East wind less than 10 
knots becoming southeast. Friday and Friday night...VFR conditions 
expected. Southeast wind 5 to 15 knots. Saturday...MVFR ceilings and 
visibilities possible with a chance of showers and thunderstorms. 
Southeast wind 10 to 20 knots. 


&& 


Mpx watches/warnings/advisories... 
Minnesota...none. 
WI...none. 
&& 


$$ 


Short term...clf 
long term...rah 
aviation...dwe