Santa Ana winds ease over Los Angeles

By: Dr. Jeff Masters , 2:17 PM GMT on November 17, 2008

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The Santa Ana winds have died down over Los Angeles, and winds should remain below 25 mph today through Thursday over the region. This should allow fire fighters to gain control of the three major blazes burning near the city. Wind gusts in excess of hurricane force--74 mph--were recorded at several mountain locations Friday and Saturday, thanks to the major difference in pressure between a strong high pressure system to the northeast of Los Angeles and lower pressure air over the ocean. By 4 pm PST Sunday, though, winds had fallen below 15 mph over the entire region (Figure 1), and a weak sea breeze had formed near the coast. Taking a look at this morning's wundermap (with fire layer turned on) for Los Angeles, we can see that winds are below 5 mph over the region. All high wind warnings and fire weather warnings have been canceled for California, but continued hot and dry conditions will slow down efforts of fire fighters to control the fires. The smoke has caused pollution problems in the city, and the Air Quality Index (AQI) for particulate matter less than 2.5 microns (PM2.5) exceeded the EPA standard yesterday. Today's pollution forecast calls for PM2.5 levels in the unhealthy for sensitive groups level, in excess of the EPA standards.


Figure 1. Wundermap (with fire layer turned on) for Los Angeles, California, at 4 pm EST Sunday November 16, 2008. Two major fires, the Sylmar fire to the north, and the Freeway fire to the east, are shown. The black colors show the relative concentration of smoke. The colored circles show the temperature, and the lines going into the circles show the direction the wind is blowing from. The perpendicular lines at the the end of these lines show how strong the wind is blowing. Each longer line is an additional 10 mph, and each shorter perpendicular line is an additional 5 mph. Thus, for the circle at upper right with a 66° temperature, the wind was blowing 15 mph out of the NNE. (Note that we've changed the convention used on marine maps, where these so-called "wind barbs" denote the winds in knots, not mph).

High temperature records
The hot flow of air off the desert set numerous high temperature records across Southern California on Sunday. Records set or tied included 88° in downtown Los Angeles, 93° in Camalillo; 86° at LAX airport; 90° at Long Beach; 89° at Paso Robles; 87° at Santa Maria; 91° at Woodland Hills; 87° at UCLA; 93° at Oxnard; and 87° at Santa Barbara. On Saturday, 30 high temperature records were set or tied across the state of California, including a blistering 93° in downtown Los Angeles (old record, 90° in 1936). The hottest new record was 94° at the Santa Ana Fire Station.

The forecast
Hot and dry conditions will persist over Los Angeles today, then gradually cool Tuesday and Wednesday. On Wednesday and Thursday, winds should reverse and blow cool, moist air from the oceans over the city, allowing fire fighters to gain full control of the fires. By Saturday, the GFS model is indicating a possible return to Santa Ana wind conditions for the weekend, but the ECMWF model disagrees. At this point, it appears we may get a weak Santa Ana wind event this weekend, but nowhere near as strong as the one that just ended.


Figure 2. Visible satellite image from NASA's Terra satellite taken on Sunday, November 16, 2008 at 11:30 am PST. Smoke from the Sylmar fire 20 miles north of Los Angeles has drifted out over the Catalina Islands, joined by a larger plume of smoke from the "Freeway Fire" in Orange County.

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302. NEwxguy
7:44 PM GMT on November 18, 2008
The entire country is amazingly dry,except for the lake effect precip,I have a feeling next week especially toward Thanksgiving things are going to change
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301. weatherbro
7:35 PM GMT on November 18, 2008
Wow, dewpoints are already crashing into the low teens in north Florida behind this secondary front! As it makes it's way down the peninsula.
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Quoting tiggeriffic:
ok...sorry for the quick drop in...gotta bounce again but will try to come back later to see what is up...don't forget...we are supposed to post pics of our houses after we decorate for Christmas....and that is coming quick!
hi and bye Tigg....are we having a contest?
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Quoting tiggeriffic:
ok...been lurking for just a few...scrolled and scanned quickly and for all the new salt water fisher people out there....watch out for the DOG FISH too....several rows of nasty teeth in the mouth...never put my fingers in the mouths of the salt water fish...i put a hand towel over the back to get a good hold... some of them can get you with the dorsal fin on top and if you get a cat fish dorsal...it will swell up and hurt for days!


Its amazing what I can learn in here when the tropical season dies down or ends
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nothing nastier than gettin scuck by a cat fish and believe me you'll bleed for a while
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ok...sorry for the quick drop in...gotta bounce again but will try to come back later to see what is up...don't forget...we are supposed to post pics of our houses after we decorate for Christmas....and that is coming quick!
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ok...been lurking for just a few...scrolled and scanned quickly and for all the new salt water fisher people out there....watch out for the DOG FISH too....several rows of nasty teeth in the mouth...never put my fingers in the mouths of the salt water fish...i put a hand towel over the back to get a good hold... some of them can get you with the dorsal fin on top and if you get a cat fish dorsal...it will swell up and hurt for days!
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295. HadesGodWyvern (Mod)
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294. HadesGodWyvern (Mod)
Aussie: second cyclone. The first was Asma in the southwest Indian Ocean.
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293. HadesGodWyvern (Mod)
Jakarata Tropical Cyclone Warning Center
Tropical Cyclone Warning #1
12:00 PM UTC November 18 2008
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At 12:00 UTC Tropical Depression (1000 hPa) located at 9.8S 94.0E has 10 minute sustained winds of 30 knots. The depression is reported as moving east southeast at 15 knots.

This tropical depression may develop into a Tropical Cyclone in the next 6-12 hours.

Forecast and Intensity
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12 HRS: 9.8S 94.9E - 35 knots (CAT 1)
24 HRS: 10.4S 97.3E - 40 knots (CAT 1)

Tropical Cyclone Watches/Warnings
================================
A CYCLONE WARNING for a Tropical Depression has been declared for areas Kodya Tangerang, Lebak, Pandeglang, Serang and Lampung Barat.

A CYCLONE WATCH for a Tropical Depression has been declared for areas Tangerang, Bengkulu Selatan, Bengkulu Utara, Rejang Lebong, Jakarta Pusat, Jakarta Selatan, Jakarta Timur, Jakarta Utara, Bandung, Bekasi, Bogor, Ciamis, Cianjur, Cirebon, Garut, Indramayu, Karawang, Kodya Bandung, Kodya Bogor, Kodya Sukabumi, Kuningan, Majalengka, Purwakarta, Subang, Sukabumi, Sumedang, Tasikmalaya, Kodya Bandar Lampung, Lampung Selatan, Lampung Tengah, Lampung Utara and Ogan Komering Hulu.

Australia Region Warnings
===========================
A Cyclone WARNING is current for the Cocos Islands.
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Quoting GeneW:
Someone is looking out for the firefighters with the Santa Ana winds slowing. This will get them a leg up on containg the fires.

Gene W.

And they sure need the help!
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291. GeneW
Someone is looking out for the firefighters with the Santa Ana winds slowing. This will get them a leg up on containg the fires.

Gene W.

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Could this be the first Southern Hem. Cyclone of 08-09?



Cheers AussieStorm
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Definitely windy still

Thanks Conchy

I'll have the chat open for the rest of the drive



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Theres cuda up here in the caynons following the Gulf Stream. Some folks use wire but the action isnt the same. 100lb mono usually does the trick. Plus if a cuda bites one off the squids or shooters float. I have gone back and retrived them and rerigged the bar.
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bbl
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Quoting StormJunkie:
Going to be driving through Charleston on the way to work in just a few if anyone cares to join.

Feed back on how the new webcam is working would be great!

See y'all later



SJ:new webcams working great!!!,looks a little windy there!!!!
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284 dog
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Ya'll must not have a barracuda problem up yonder amigo. ;>)
Looking at your rig, I see a cuda party for sure. If you bring that bad boy down here, put them on wire. lol
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281. theshepherd

Oh yea it does. Like I said in a previous post about my spread 5 of those running with 2 daisy chains. The whole wake is splashing and dancing. I too keep a few rods rigged on stand-by to sight cast incase a fish comes up into the spread but just plays around with them. I solo rig ballyhoo for that with a double hook.

Just through it back into the spread and it usually creats a strike if they dont hit the bars or chains
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Quoting StormJunkie:
Going to be driving through Charleston on the way to work in just a few if anyone cares to join.

Feed back on how the new webcam is working would be great!

See y'all later
Looks good - hey where's all the traffic! :)
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276 - thesheperd - Yeah man, learned that lesson the hard way, then started diving and snorkeling down in the keys where I could see the teeth of various sea monsters up close and personal. I stay on shore now!! LOL, BBL
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279 dog
Excellant. A little more bling wake things up for sure. I like a couple of willow blades here and there on the artificials.
I'm so used to chasing birds and sight fishing so I keep mine at the surface. The hand held rod I use to swing the trailing bait back and forth and up and down behind the pack.
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Going to be driving through Charleston on the way to work in just a few if anyone cares to join.

Feed back on how the new webcam is working would be great!

See y'all later
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275. theshepherd

Thats awsome. We use the umbrella rigs here with shad for the strippers usually weighted to keep them at the depth they are holding on the finder or we use downriggers to hold the depth.

I guess the stuff up north works in Florida just have to figure out the right combo.

heres my favorite spreader bar for tuna up here


and these for small school tuna or with no hooks as a teaser rig for other fish
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So far we have had more mornings in the 50's in november than we did last Jan, Feb, March,Oct in SWFL....so far 6 mornings in that range and we have half a month left. I know cuz i ride my bike into work and keep a log.
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271 RLTSNK
ROFLMAO
OK, this your "Official Warning", if it lives in the ocean, there will be something somewhere on that fish that will ouch you.
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268 dog
I use an umbrella rig with spilt ballyhoo for smell. Yes, they work. All the large predators love them.
Best results have been keeping the rig just off the wake 20 yds back and hand holding a rod with another hoo with a skirt trailing just behind the pack. Anything you add to the trailing hoo gives him the injured look they can't resist.
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270. leftovers

Thanks ;)
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thanks leftovers,I know gulp shrimp on a colby jig work well too(for all my friends anyways,lol)....
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271. RTLSNK

LOL thats a good one. I think we all have done that at some point. Worst I got was a topsail catfish spine to my hand. I think it hurt for a week and the swelling lasted several days.
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264- thesheperd - sorry about misspelling your handle the first time, yeah, the circle hooks work the best. I had never done any salt water fishing before moving to Florida, first time I caught a small snook(lucky it was small) I put my thumb in his mouth and fingers in the gills to get the hook out - WRONG BOZO - the emergency room Doctor at Broward General Hosp in Fort Laud took one look at my right hand and said - "Ah, first time salt water fishing huh?" For petes sake, someone could have told me salt water fish had teeth!!! LOL
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come to think of it, I wonder if spreaders would be good in Florida? Dont think I have seen boats using them.
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251 Missnadia
I have a couple of those butterfly thingies in the offshore boat's tackle locker, but I do so much live bait and sight fishing that I haven't even broke the wrappers yet.
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Everyone have a good day.....BB later tonite.
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Quoting theshepherd:
RTL
You are right on with the sharp gills on the snook. At least a 30# florocarbon leader on braided line helps, but you still need to turn his head as soon as possible or he'll cut you off for sure. And circle hooks are numero uno.


Gotta go but, wow did i ever learn my leason the hard way with a Snook and its sharp gills. The first one i caught, heck it look much like a Bass and i stuck my hand in its gill plate....wow did it cut me up...
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RTL
You are right on with the sharp gills on the snook. At least a 30# florocarbon leader on braided line helps, but you still need to turn his head as soon as possible or he'll cut you off for sure. And circle hooks are numero uno.
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Quoting surfmom:
cotillion -- HELL NO!!!! & IT LOOKS COLD TOO!!!


Oh yeah. The link to the pictures puts the dams length into a bit more perspective...

Link
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MissNadia yea jacks are an awsome fight. 100lbers!! Didn't think they got up that high, that would be an awsome catch.

Big thing up this way are spreader bars. At the surface about 10knts deadly on almost all species that like the top water; tuna, blues, strippers, little tuny. I used to run them on 5 rods, two off the outside riger clip, two on the flat lines and one on the center rigger, then team them up with two daisy chains on the inside rigger clips. That spread had landed me more fish. Days when other boats came up short I always had folks with smiles.
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255 - stillwaiting - funny part was the first year we paid $200. for one of the local guys to take us out for 4 hours, he went to three different docks for the snook, and three little mangrove islands for the redfish. We stayed and a place called "Tween waters Inn" on Captiva just over the bridge from Sanibel. The restaurant next to the inn would cook your fish for you one of three different ways. The next year we just rented a boat and did it ourselves!!!
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RTLSNK#252 - Beautiful post!! on the mark -- zapping that over to my kids e-mail -- he'll love the read and I TOTALLY AGREE.
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Morning all

Chilly enough out there for y'all?

We are going to be testing the webcam some today before the trip tomorrow.

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cotillion -- HELL NO!!!! & IT LOOKS COLD TOO!!!
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245 mom
Actually Fay dumped so much water the sugar boys dumped Lake Okechobee too fast and it really put a damper on things for a bit. Excess fresh water destroys(floods) grass beds and silt depleats oxygen.
Fla Game & Fish Com is considering lifting the ban on jewfish harvest for a trial period. Some of the guides I've talked to in Islamorada and elsewhere have days when goliaths are the only thing on the bite. Their numbers are expolding in the upper back country.
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252. RTLSNK

Thanks! Yea fished Sanibel and Captiva alot. Usually off the little pier north side.

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Quoting RTLSNK:
Bonedog - Stillwaiting - went on vacation every-year to Sanibel Island on the West Coast of Florida off of Fort Myers beach. Went out to the north side of Sanibel which is actually another island called Captiva. Did this for ten years straight. Caught the limit for Snook and Redfish everytime by fishing near anybodys dock about 30 feet out in the water about 30 feet away from the dock casting towards and under their dock, in 3 to 4 feet of water, like TheShepard says - live small bait fish of any kind free lining - no weights or shiny connections of any kind. When they hit you have to keep a tight line because the snook have razor sharp gills and they will roll and cut the line with them.


thanks abunch,I don't have a boat,but WILL be buying a used kyack for fishing,for now I'm stricktly fishing from land,the no shiny thing makes good sense as snook have great eye site!!!
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Brought our fishing kayak second hand -- BEST purchase -- the fishing ones are set-up a bit differently then the regular kayaks Bonedog, v ery stable -- you can dive off 'em and they allow you to be very sneaky. I don't fish off it, but youngbuck sets it up to troll as well.

Ok, you guys are all so interesting, so rare I get to talk "fish" -- but I gotta get that run in or I'll be looking for endomorphine's in the wrong places later on today LOL......have a good afternoon ALL

MissNadia -- have a great walk - :)
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249. Cotillion

Thats awsome!!!
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Bonedog - Stillwaiting - went on vacation every-year to Sanibel Island on the West Coast of Florida off of Fort Myers beach. Went out to the north side of Sanibel which is actually another island called Captiva. Did this for ten years straight. Caught the limit for Snook and Redfish everytime by fishing near anybodys dock about 30 feet out in the water about 30 feet away from the dock casting towards and under their dock, in 3 to 4 feet of water, like TheShepard says - live small bait fish of any kind free lining - no weights or shiny connections of any kind. When they hit you have to keep a tight line because the snook have razor sharp gills and they will roll and cut the line with them.
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