A Christmas wish--more data!!

By: Dr. Jeff Masters , 7:48 PM GMT on December 25, 2008

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Well, it's been another crazy weather year in 2008 here on planet Earth. As we look back on the year, I want to thank all of you for participating in the unique community we've built here at Weather Underground to help document, understand, mourn, and celebrate the ways weather impacts our lives. Special thanks go to all of you who helped out those affected by this year's destructive hurricanes. As we look ahead towards 2009, I'm sure you're wondering what's on my Christmas wish list for the coming year. Hmmm, let's see--let's start with money to fund improved hurricane intensity forecasts, a new QuikSCAT satellite...and more data!

More data, more data,
Right now and not later.
Our storms are distressing,
Our problems are pressing.
We can brook no delay
For theorists to play.
Let us repair
To the principle sublime:
Measure everything, everywhere,
All the time.

For data are solid,
Though dull and though stolid;
Consider their aptness,
Their matter-of-factness.
Theory is confusion,
A snare and delusion,
A dastardly dare,
A culpable crime.
Measure everything, everywhere,
All the time.

No need to be weary
Of the mysteries of theory.
We only must look
At the data we took.
Immediately inspired,
Grasp the answers required.
What are so rare,
As reason and rhyme?
Measure everything, everywhere,
All the time.

More data, more data,
From pole to equator;
We'll gain our salvation
Through mass mensuration.
Thence flows our might,
Our sweetness, our light.
Our spirits full fair, our souls sublime:
Measure everything, everywhere,
All the time.

It shall come to pass, even in our days,
That ignorance shall vanish and doubt disappear.
Then shall men survey with tranquil gaze
The ordered elements shorn of all fear.

Thus to omniscience shall we climb,
Measuring everything, everywhere, all the time.


Poem credit: A. Fleisher. Originally published in 1957 in the Proc. Sixth Weather Radar Conf., American Meteorology Society, Boston, MA, P. 59. Slightly modified by Peter Black, NOAA's Hurricane Research Division.

Happy Holidays, everyone!

Jeff Masters

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160. IKE
Quoting Patrap:



Its a lil "wearing and tearing" to say the least IKE...wink,wink Link


Yeah it is......GW***yawn***
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Good Morning -- quiet dawn this morning here in SWFL- feels a bit humid already.November we freeze and December we sweat. At least it's nice for all the tourista's.

If you got a new surfboard or wetsuit for Christmas -- fill the tank and head East 'cause the Gulf is good for Stand-up boards, kayaks, boats and fishermen...... there's nothing for surfing
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i have noticed that the seasurface temps are very warm around africa wats yall take on this is this another year like 05?
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post 155. True.
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We all love you surfmom...good night
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Flashing through the decades..I wish everyone a very Happy, Healthy and Safe New Year...

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OMG --Soap Factory!!! and the "one hit due" -- transport back to NYC - The Roxy & Metropolis Roller Skate Club -- slow dance on skates -- that was my life b/4 spouse, kids..... a blast from my past.... **sigh*** I was once wild

I'll let that take me off to sleep land - thanks

G'nite ALL
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surfmom...you might enjoy this one-hit wonder..(I use to be a DJ)..

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Yeah, it is all good. And really, 80 trees is easily do-able.
There is a very good incentive scheme here, run by the forestry dept. of the Ministry of the Environment.
They are trying to get people with land (old estates of cocoa, citrus, whatever, to replant with mixed tropical forest. It is working very well.
The incentives include, tax-free equipment (brush cutters etc), tax-back on vehicle, tractor, etc. Payment for every seedling planted. Payment for fire-traces. Very cheap seedlings. Excellent advice. Etc etc.
There are over 500 estates that have participated, and I have visited some of them. The farmers are planting short and medium term crops while the trees are being planted, and tree crops are encouraged. Mango, avocado, etc.

So, things are happening....






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if everyone did a little it would be a lot
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For all those in the "freezer" and would like a blast from the 70's....here's a cool one to warm you up..

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I will agree w/Pottery -- kids do love to plant trees -- never met one that didn't and I still see how fond my kids are of their personal trees.
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Pottery - I LOVE the formula 80 trees in my life time --- I am going to sing this out to everyone I know -- 80 trees!!!! I have a new mission -- Holy Moley -- I just found my New Year's resolution!! (meaning,,,, I can now keep all my naughty habits) Taking the journey of planting 80 trees..... this makes me VERY HAPPY....hummm I wonder how many I've planted thus far
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Quoting pottery:
Good Evening to all.
I am glad to see that there is a healthy debate, on-going, on the GW issue.
I long ago became aware of the almost futile steps that I, the Individual, can take, to make any difference.
But then it occured to me, that one thing that I could do, is to PLANT TREES. In 15 years, I have planted some 1000 trees.
I am lucky. I live in a place where it is very easy to do that.
I also support a "Do Not Burn" campaign (started by me) in my area.

It has amazed me, how little the Plant-a-Tree thing gets mentioned.
Everyone can do it. Some places easier than others. But trees grow everywhere. Mostly, we complain about forest being destroyed.
Well, tomorrow, or in the summer, or whenever, gather some kids, and go plant a tree. Encourage the children to do it themselves. You will be amazed at their eagerness, and the sense of pride and wellbeing it creates.
My children remember every tree they have planted, and will always remember. "This is my tree, planted for everyone"
It has been shown, that each individual needs to plant 80 trees in their lifetime, to counter their personal footprint.
Try it.......


Now we're talking. A lasting, reasonable, and effective effect, too. All upside to this idea...no socialistic control of energy needed.

No reason for the natural cycle crowd to be against this, either.

What about refusing to be a part of wholesale clearing on an acre? Drive through any relatively young builderhood in the US and you will see that EVERY native tree that once existed on a home's lot was removed before construction. Why? Some of them, I can understand, such as towering pines hanging over a house on the Gulf coast, but oaks?

I swore to never move into a builderhood where that has transpired. Having a corner of a larger lot remain wild and wooded is not difficult and will only aid in road noise reduction in the burbs. I have a 1/3 acre of woods on my lot and about 1/2 acre cleared. If I had to guess, I would put the number of trees at somewhere in the 300 range. Thick canopy.

You are correct that this isn't mentioned often. It seems that such a simple strategy gets lost with the name calling and unabashed BS presented by both sides of the AGW issue. Could be that no one can calm down enough to use a little reason and no one is in the habit of listening to anyone else when that someone else has burned what credibility they may have had by employing the above behaviors.
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Rain -- geeze it seems like forever since we've really had a good soaking. Rain barrels are empty
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Good to hear someone is getting waves.... the East coast is rolling, but too many responsibilities here on my home front. Even if I did get waves -- I don't think I'd manage to get out. Seems like that Jet stream isn't dipping low enough to give me anything here. Not complaining though -- the warmer temps are nice -- for me......
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Ahh yes Pottery, when I first came to my present home not single tree -- just scratchy yucky useless Florida grass. I would not fertilize (chemical) and I would not spray pesticides..... but plant we did. We have the Earth Day Elm, Gabriel's Mango Tree, Raphael's Mango tree (each tree planted and nurtured to maturity as the boys grew) We have Rita's Orange tree, Ikebo's Macadamia nut tree and other assorted fruit/food bearing trees that now provide food and SHADE!! Several different varieties of palm trees, several southern oaks etc. The next benefit was that as these trees matured the wild life came to visit. My back door neighbor picked up on what was happening as well as the right side neighbor and the neighbor on my left side across the street. We all kept planting trees, some food for us -- some food for the critters... What grew from this is an incredible mini corridor of a wildlife sanctuary. Once there was a Canopy -- the birds really moved in. The morning singing is so reassuring -- especially when the world is not being kind. We then added the butterfly plants and bingo .... Eden appears.

I can't imagine being the parent of 1000 trees -- but to breath their breath -- heavenly
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12/28 and the ITCZ is active. WOW! We have some storms moving in. Radar shows a big blob in the Gulf moving this way. Rain in the evening is good. I play tennis in the morning so it needs to be gone.
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Good to "see" you Sugar. LOL.
Winds here have been strong and constant, N/E for over a week. Seas are rough, but not for surfers. Blown, 8 ft chop. Even the fishing boats are complaining.
Also, the ITCZ is very active. From here to the Sahara is cloud and showers. Not usual for this late in the year. We are still getting rain and cool conditions. Nice.....
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Great thing, Pottery! I have planted a few here in the sandy soil, as well. Surfmom, the NWFL GOM is rolling. Lotsa surfers out today. Watched them for awhile while "working" at the beach house. Trouper 415, sounds good. I eat Organic (maybe not 95%, but close) as well.
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Good Evening to all.
I am glad to see that there is a healthy debate, on-going, on the GW issue.
I long ago became aware of the almost futile steps that I, the Individual, can take, to make any difference.
But then it occured to me, that one thing that I could do, is to PLANT TREES. In 15 years, I have planted some 1000 trees.
I am lucky. I live in a place where it is very easy to do that.
I also support a "Do Not Burn" campaign (started by me) in my area.

It has amazed me, how little the Plant-a-Tree thing gets mentioned.
Everyone can do it. Some places easier than others. But trees grow everywhere. Mostly, we complain about forest being destroyed.
Well, tomorrow, or in the summer, or whenever, gather some kids, and go plant a tree. Encourage the children to do it themselves. You will be amazed at their eagerness, and the sense of pride and wellbeing it creates.
My children remember every tree they have planted, and will always remember. "This is my tree, planted for everyone"
It has been shown, that each individual needs to plant 80 trees in their lifetime, to counter their personal footprint.
Try it.......
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SWFL Gomex Surfers --End of the year with no last licks of surfing for the memory box...and it looks like a slow start for 09. Patterns have not switched to a consistent winter set-up. Gulf temp is 64 degrees.....The fishing has been rocking.... but i am yearning to ride a wave
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Whoooo HOOO Keeperofthegate!!! Been waiting to bump into you.... actually I see a lot of you these days.... I may have told you this -- there is a gorgeous, HUGE, Osprey that hangs out very often on the drawbridge I must run over to get to the key where I love to run.... when I see him -- I know it's means a great run run or an affirmation of something I have thought of or prayed about .... I named him KEEPEROFTHEGATE. I know he recognizes me at this point and we have often made eye contact -- he's just amazing and he loves the new name
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133 -Geoffrey _ LOL "where is my cold weather"

heh, heh, heh -- I booted YOUR cold weather away with my flip flop
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154 days to go
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I believe humans are changing the climate.

I am a vegetarian
I use pretty much no packaging
I walk and take the bus
I try to build community and make new friends every day
I grow food
I try to help others
I eat 95% organic food that is grown within 100 miles of my house
I don't have fires or turn on the heater in the winter

We all can do more, so let's keep doing it. Whether for climate change, or the 1000 other reasons to reduce our impact on our World and make peace.

Peace
Patrick
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Congrats Dolphins!!!! Now...where is my cold weather????
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Quoting HIEXPRESS:
112.
Ditto


A Rush-ism in response to conservation? Love it! LOL
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112.
Ditto
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"But oil still dominates and it will continue to do so until the people demand something else."

Hate to break it to you, but they have. Or maybe you haven't heard about the results of that election back in November?

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129. beell
Stumbled across this today. A Power Point for everybody if you have the time to wade through it! A good review of the HWRF performance found in the "Hurricane Modeling" presentation.
2008 Review of the NCEP Production Suite:
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Quoting IKE:
I think STL sits by his computer all day and night long just waiting to cut-down those that don't believe in GW.

Just amazing.




Its a lil "wearing and tearing" to say the least IKE...wink,wink Link
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Even the UN is promoting the cap and trade scheme Skye. There is no coordinated concentrated effort to find a way out of fossil fuel dependance.

I remember the old short-lived programs too.
But oil still dominates and it will continue to do so until the people demand something else.

126. Skyepony (Mod)
vort~ after the big gas crisis of the 70s all sorts of govt solar projects began. When the next president came in they all ended~ Even the solar panels were removed from the white house.

I do think your right~ this argument either way is going to be used for greed & aquiring money someway. Biofuels for the most part is about the worst, unsubstaniable idea (in most instances) I've seen yet as being pro enviroment.
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125. Skyepony (Mod)
vort~ He definately has good points about the whole political way this discussion is going down. I kinda don't see where the sunspots play as they are already factored in as natural forcing. What a bub about the GISS goof, they caught it, they are human, to error now & then is expected. He's a mathematical physicist.. not the type that takes alotta chemistry & biochemistry. There are experiments that prove greenhouse gases trap heat. Granted they aren't simple like proving sunspots. I studied to be a physicists, my chem & bio teachers convinced me long ago.

atmo~ I didn't say I've saved a little money..I've saved alot. I've cut my electric bill 2/3rds & I'm not done. What if everyone did that? Maybe cut the country's home electric use by 1/2? What if building green & substanably became standard? The little car has payed for itself & continues to save us atleast $2400 a year in gas compared to old gusler. & the CO2 output caused by everyone eating banannas or stuff that is grown 1/2 way around the world is huge. It's excellerating deforstation & isn't substainable. Just to eat local is a large impact..especially if we all did it. & grow your own the mostly free substanable way, with compost...saves near $300 a month. For driving on short errands I should have a little electric car that plugs into a solar panel at home by now. I know~ it's not the amish way. Living green & substainable is less money out of pocket without a lower standard of living. I'm sick of CEOs milking me & saying depleating resourses is the only way.

zoo~ The logical order for here since it's not new was to cut my bill & power needs as much as I could. Then I'll grid tie a smaller package til I realize some actual cash savings to afford more. With the smaller package, it's full utilized as savings every time the sun shines so it gives it's full worth right away. Water heaters tend to use alot generally 1/4 of the total. A solar one is only a few grand & pay back in like 4 to 6 years. Some states rebate too. Can't say enough about caulking either.
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If the US and other independant state governments are now so concerned about potential catastrophic climate change due to mankind, why haven't they funded a Manhattan type project involving solar power as an example?

When I see the upcoming trading in carbon credits and the cap and trade schemes being advanced by these governments it makes me pause and realize this is just another convenient avenue for generating more tax dollars to continue funding entitlement programs which mostly don't work anyway.

Why was funding for the research solutions not provided if the government is so concerned for all of us?

No...I'm just seeing another taxing opportunity...not the technological development program we desperately need with or without a climate change threat.





Quoting presslord:
The debate is healthy...regardless of perspective...


Agreed...so long as it is allowed to happen, unlike the examples from vort's post. When the state and "consensus" indirectly forbid quality work that might show a different possibility is when we have metaphorically decided that the Earth is not the third planet.
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I believe that each of us need to do what's reasonable under the circumstances, including using the technology as it continues to evolve. Conservation is something that all of us can practice.

The CO2 emissions are another debate entirely.
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The debate is healthy...regardless of perspective...
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WARMING, OR HOT AIR?


Posted at 10:09 a.m. ET

Frank Tipler, the distinguished mathematical physicist at Tulane University, is an Urgent Agenda reader. We recently asked him for his view of the global-warming controversy, and he was kind enough to send us this thoughtful reply. We reprint it in full. Recommended reading:

As regards global warming, my view is essentially the same as yours: Anthropogenic Global Warming (AGW) is a scam, with no basis in science.

A few comments on my own particular view of global warming:

(1) I am particularly annoyed by the claims that the "the debate is over," because this was exactly the claim originally made against the Copernican theory of the Solar System. Copernicus' opponents said the idea that the Earth was the third planet from the Sun was advanced by Aristrachus in 300 B.C. (true), and had been definitely refuted by 100 A.D. The debate is over! Sorry, it wasn't: the Earth IS the third planet.

(2) It is obvious that anthropogenic global warming is not science at all, because a scientific theory makes non-obvious predictions which are then compared with observations that the average person can check for himself. As we both know from our own observations, AGW theory has spectacularly failed to do this. The theory has predicted steadily increasing global temperatures, and this has been refuted by experience. NOW the global warmers claim that the Earth will enter a cooling period. In other words, whether the ice caps melt, or expand --- whatever happens --- the AGW theorists claim it confirms their theory. A perfect example of a pseudo-science like astrology.

(3) In contrast, the alternative theory, that the increase and decrease of the Earth's average temperature in the near term follows the sunspot number, agrees (roughly) with observation. And the observations were predicted before they occurred. This is good science.

(4) I emphasized in point (2) that the average person has to be able to check the observations. I emphasize this because I no longer trust "scientists" to report observations correctly. I think the data is adjusted to confirm, as far as possible, AGW. We've seen many recent cases where the data was cooked in climate studies. In one case, Hanson and company claimed that October 2008 was the warmest October on record. Watts looked at the data, and discovered that Hanson and company had used September's temperatures for Russia rather than October's. I'm not surprised to learn that September is hotter than October in the Northern hemisphere.

It snowed here in New Orleans last week and it was the second heaviest snowfall I've seen in the 25 years I've lived in New Orleans. According to the local newspaper, it was the earliest snow had fallen in New Orleans since records were kept, beginning in 1850. I myself have looked at the relative predictive power of Copernicus's theory and the then rival Ptolemaic theory. Copernicus was on the average twice as accurate, and the average person of the time could tell. Similarly, anybody today can check the number of sunspots. Or rather the lack of them. When I first starting teaching astronomy at Tulane in the early 1980's, I would show sunspots to my students by pointing a small $25 reflecting telescope at the Sun, and focusing the Sun's image on the wall of the classroom. Sunspots were obviously in the image on the wall. I can't do this experiment today, because there are no sunspots.

(5) Another shocking thing about the AGW theory is that it is generating a loss of true scientific knowledge. The great astronomer William Herschel, the discoverer of the planet Uranus, observed in the early 1800's that warm weather was correlated with sunspot number. Herschel noticed that warmer weather meant better crops, and thus fewer sunspots meant higher grain prices. The AGW people are trying to do a disappearing act on these observations. Some are trying to deny the existence of the Maunder Minimum.

(6) AGW supporters are also bringing back the Inquisition, where the power of the state is used to silence one's scientific opponents. The case of Bjorn Lomborg is illustrative. Lomborg is a tenured professor of mathematics in Denmark. Shortly after his book, "The Skeptical Environmentalist," was published by Cambridge University Press, Lomborg was charged and convicted (later reversed) of scientific fraud for being critical of the "consensus" view on AGW and other environmental questions. Had the conviction been upheld, Lomborg would have been fired. Stillman Drake, the world's leading Galileo scholar, demonstrates in his book "Galileo: A Very Short Introduction" (Oxford University Press, 2001) that it was not theologians, but rather his fellow physicists (then called "natural philosophers"), who manipulated the Inquisition into trying and convicting Galileo. The "out-of-the-mainsteam" Galileo had the gall to prove the consensus view, the Aristotlean theory, wrong by devising simple experiments that anyone could do. Galileo's fellow scientists first tried to refute him by argument from authority. They failed. Then these "scientists" tried calling Galileo names, but this made no impression on the average person, who could see with his own eyes that Galileo was right. Finally, Galileo's fellow "scientists" called in the Inquisition to silence him.

I find it very disturbing that part of the Danish Inquisition's case against Lomborg was written by John Holdren, Obama's new science advisor. Holdren has recently written that people like Lomborg are "dangerous." I think it is people like Holdren who are dangerous, because they are willing to use state power to silence their scientific opponents.

(7) I agree with Dick Lindzen that the AGW nonsense is generated by government funding of science. If a guy agrees with AGW, then he can get a government contract. If he is a skeptic, then no contract. There is a professor at Tulane, with a Ph.D in paleoclimatology, who is as skeptical as I am about AGW, but he'd never be considered for tenure at Tulane because of his professional opinion. No government contracts, no tenure.

(8) This is why I am astounded that people who should know better, like Newt Gingrich, advocate increased government funding for scientific research. We had better science, and a more rapid advance of science, in the early part of the 20th century when there was no centralized government funding for science. Einstein discovered relativity on his own time, while he was employed as a patent clerk. Where are the Einsteins of today? They would never be able to get a university job --- Einstein's idea that time duration depended on the observer was very much opposed to the "consensus" view of the time. Einstein's idea that light was composed of particles (now called "photons") was also considered crazy by all physicists when he first published the idea. At least then he could publish the idea. Now a refereed journal would never even consider a paper written by a patent clerk, and all 1905 physics referees would agree that relativity and quantum mechanics were nonsense, definitely against the overwhelming consensus view. So journals would reject Einstein's papers if he were to write them today.

Science is an economic good like everything else, and it is very bad for production of high quality goods for the government to control the means of production. Why can't Newt Gingrich understand this? Milton Friedman understood it, and advocated cutting off government funding for science.

We should add that President Dwight D. Eisenhower, in his famous farewell address as president - the "industrial-military complex" speech - also warned of the intersection between science and government. This is what he said:

Today, the solitary inventor, tinkering in his shop, has been overshadowed by task forces of scientists in laboratories and testing fields. In the same fashion, the free university, historically the fountainhead of free ideas and scientific discovery, has experienced a revolution in the conduct of research. Partly because of the huge costs involved, a government contract becomes virtually a substitute for intellectual curiosity. For every old blackboard there are now hundreds of new electronic computers.

The prospect of domination of the nation's scholars by Federal employment, project allocations, and the power of money is ever present – and is gravely to be regarded.

Yet, in holding scientific research and discovery in respect, as we should, we must also be alert to the equal and opposite danger that public policy could itself become the captive of a scientific-technological elite.

We thank Professor Tipler for his contribution.

December 22, 2008.
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Quoting Skyepony:
atmo~ I try to live by example. Not your example of a deprived, uncomfortable activist but I impact less than most. I grow (check out my carrot) or make as much of my own as I can, buy local what I can't, if I can. I've been selling my extra lemons. There's the highly effecient little car for commuting, try to bike, hike or take a pony when we can. I'm saving the savings from calking the house, changing the lightbulbs to efficent, new appliances, the last..a new ac is saving a killing..next will be a solar hot water heater. I've let each little efficent savings build til I can get another..it's snowballing now. In a few more years I hope to add panels to tie into the grid.

There's a strand of LED Christmas bulbs out there with 100 good sized lights on it that use so little electricity you can safely plug 87 strands back to back into one outlet. Yeah I said 87... Times are changing people:)
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Sky - didn't realize the led christmas lights were that good - will have to invest in them as the old ones go.

We do the same as you - have replaced light bulbs, monitor the ac - put new ones in, changed out old freezer for new. Always looking for energy efficiency.

Would love to find workable solar program that isn't 30,000 to start. At that rate, you do not even recognize a savings over the life of the home.

One of our bigger areas is water conservation - looking into a rain barrel with drip hose for gardens. Simple investment, natural, and good for environment.


Great! I am glad you are saving a little money. But to be honest, these measures will not have any detectable impact on total CO2, even if everyone went out today and replaced their appliances with some more efficient model. (Not to mention the wasted resources in doing so).

The zealots want your power bill to double, even with more efficient appliances. The heat in your freezer is still moved to your house and then (in the summer) moved to the outside and that relocation of heat requires energy. The zealots would much rather you got rid of your freezer, car, AC, clothes dryer, etc. And the zealots are right! (at least in what it would take)

Do you realize the measures it would actually take to achieve some goal of really reducing CO2 emissions? We would all have to live like the Amish permanently...something I am not interested in doing based on flakey historical data, incomplete satellite measurements (not historical enough), and the assumption that we know all there is to know about natural forcings, the changes in amplitude of those forcings, and all of the teleconnections of those forcings.

Not trying to berate anyone here, just pointing out what lifestyle changes would have a real effect and how weak the so-called evidence is to do so.
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Absolutely STUNNING day today here - 82 degrees right now. I even got motivated to do yardwork - just wish the grass was green instead of dormant brown. Really hard to believe it's almost January.

Hope everyone had a happy holiday and have a safe New Years.

Mel
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117. DDR
Is it just me or does anyone here think the itcz is over active for this time f the year?
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MMGW is not a fore-gone conclusion no matter what some alarmist say.
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Hi Baha - how was your holiday?

Just hanging out for a few minutes - going to lunch but baby is still napping. First rule of life - don't wake a sleeping baby.
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Sky - didn't realize the led christmas lights were that good - will have to invest in them as the old ones go.

We do the same as you - have replaced light bulbs, monitor the ac - put new ones in, changed out old freezer for new. Always looking for energy efficiency.

Would love to find workable solar program that isn't 30,000 to start. At that rate, you do not even recognize a savings over the life of the home.

One of our bigger areas is water conservation - looking into a rain barrel with drip hose for gardens. Simple investment, natural, and good for environment.
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Afternoon all.

Just checking in for a minute or two. Any word on the tropical low that was working its way across the York Peninsula in Oz?
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112. Skyepony (Mod)
atmo~ I try to live by example. Not your example of a deprived, uncomfortable activist but I impact less than most. I grow (check out my carrot) or make as much of my own as I can, buy local what I can't, if I can. I've been selling my extra lemons. There's the highly effecient little car for commuting, try to bike, hike or take a pony when we can. I'm saving the savings from calking the house, changing the lightbulbs to efficent, new appliances, the last..a new ac is saving a killing..next will be a solar hot water heater. I've let each little efficent savings build til I can get another..it's snowballing now. In a few more years I hope to add panels to tie into the grid.

There's a strand of LED Christmas bulbs out there with 100 good sized lights on it that use so little electricity you can safely plug 87 strands back to back into one outlet. Yeah I said 87... Times are changing people:)
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Quoting futuremet:
I honestly could care less about Global warming...

Don't you live in Key West?? Given your altitude, global warming is not your friend.

http://www.keywestcity.com/egov/docs/1179941507_255767.pdf

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atmo....you pretty accurately described my lifestyle in college.....though not so much today....
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Jeff co-founded the Weather Underground in 1995 while working on his Ph.D. He flew with the NOAA Hurricane Hunters from 1986-1990.