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Opinion polls of climate change
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 3:04 PM GMT on January 28, 2009 +8
According to a 2007 Newsweek poll, 42% of Americans believe that "there is a lot of disagreement among climate scientists about whether human activities are a major cause" of global warming". I posed the same question to members of the wunderground community on Monday, and even higher 56% of them thought so. However, the results of a poll that appears in this week's edition of the journal EOS, Transactions, American Geophysical Union, reveals that the public is misinformed on this issue. Fully 97% of the climate scientists who regularly publish on climate change agreed with the statement, "human activity is a significant contributing factor in changing mean global temperatures".



Figure 1. Response to the question, "Do you think human activity is a significant contributing factor in changing mean global temperatures?" The general public data come from a 2008 Gallup poll (see http://www.gallup.com/poll/1615/Environment.aspx). Image credit: EOS, Transactions, American Geophysical Union.

The anonymous poll was performed in late 2008 by Peter Doran, University of Illinois at Chicago associate professor of earth and environmental sciences, along with former graduate student Maggie Kendall Zimmerman. Doran and Kendall Zimmerman sought the opinion of the most complete list of earth scientists they could find, contacting more than 10,200 experts at universities and government labs around the world listed in the 2007 edition of the American Geological Institute's Directory of Geoscience Departments. The 2-minute, two-question poll had 3146 responses (30.7% of those polled). Approximately 90% of the scientists who responded were from the U.S., and about 90% held a Ph.D. degree. Of these scientists, 5% were climate scientists who published more than 50% of all their peer-reviewed publications in the past five years on the subject of climate change. The authors noted that the survey included participants with well-documented dissenting opinions on global warming theory. Question #1 was, When compared with pre-1800s levels, do you think that mean global temperatures have generally risen, fallen, or remained relatively constant?" About 90% of all the scientists and 97% of the climate scientists said temperatures had risen. Question #2 was, "Do you think human activity is a significant contributing factor in changing mean global temperatures?" About 82% of all the scientists agreed, and 97% (75 of 77) climate scientists agreed. This contrasts with the results of a recent Gallup poll that suggests only 58% of the general public would answer yes. Interestingly, petroleum geologists and meteorologists were among the biggest doubters in the new EOS poll, with only 47 and 64 percent, respectively, believing in human involvement.

In a press release on the study, author Peter Doran commented, "The petroleum geologist response is not too surprising, but the meteorologists' is very interesting," he said. "Most members of the public think meteorologists know climate, but most of them actually study very short-term phenomenon." He was not surprised, however, by the near-unanimous agreement by climate scientists. "They're the ones who study and publish on climate science. So I guess the take-home message is, the more you know about the field of climate science, the more you're likely to believe in global warming and humankind's contribution to it." Doran and Kendall Zimmerman conclude that "the debate on the authenticity of global warming and the role played by human activity is largely nonexistent among those who understand the nuances and scientific basis of long-term climate processes. The challenge, rather, appears to be how to effectively communicate this fact to policy makers and to a public that continues to mistakenly perceive debate among scientists."

Commentary
The scientists most involved in assessing the current state of the climate are the most likely to have the "pulse of the planet"--a deep understanding of how the climate works and where we are headed. If 97% of these scientists believe in significant human impact on the climate, then it is probably so. Why is there such a disparity, then, between what they believe, and what the public and other scientists, such as petroleum geologists, believe? Dr. Ricky Rood has some excellent commentary on this issue in his latest wunderground Climate Change blog, and I offer these three reasons:

1) There are a few good climate scientists (3%) that believe humans are not significantly impacting the climate. One tends to hear the beliefs of this tiny minority a disproportionate amount. This is primarily because the fossil fuel industry pumps millions of dollars into PR campaigns to make sure you hear these dissenting views. That's not to say that these scientists are paid lackeys of the fossil fuel industry--that is not the case. These scientists' point of view happens to coincide with arguments that would protect the profits of the fossil fuel industry, so naturally the industry spends a lot of money making sure you hear these points of view. The fossil fuel industry PR campaigns also emphasize the contrarian views of a handful of non-publishing scientists working for private think tanks, who provide a distorted, non-objective view of climate change science (e.g., the attempt to hide summertime Arctic sea ice loss by quoting irrelevant statistics about wintertime global sea ice). These efforts have been highly successful in casting doubt on what is an overwhelming (though not unanimous) consensus among climate scientists. The fossil fuel industry PR campaigns are similar to the ones run by the cigarette industry to cast doubt on the harmfulness of smoking. "Doubt is our product," a cigarette executive once observed, "since it is the best means of competing with the 'body of fact' that exists in the minds of the general public. It is also the means of establishing a controversy." I recommend a reading of the 2008 book, "Doubt is Their Product", which discusses the many efforts by industry over the years to cast doubt on established scientific facts in order to protect industry profits.

2) The media contributes to the disproportionate coverage of the dissenting views, since one can make a news story more compelling by dramatizing conflict and giving equal weight to both sides.

3) Many people have a deep-seated belief in the relative insignificance of humans on a planetary scale. Geologists, who take the long view of time over geologic history, are particularly prone to this. Indeed, the planet is vast, and we are but tiny ants crawling upon its surface during a brief moment in geologic time. However, when one works regularly with the data, it becomes apparent that human activities are beginning to substantially impact weather and climate. When presented with facts contrary to ones beliefs, a good scientist will check the facts extra thoroughly to verify their validity, but then abandon those beliefs that don't fit the facts. The facts as accepted by 97% of our top climate scientists are that atmosphere is but a relatively thin, fragile layer of volatile gases beginning to show unmistakable changes due to the geometric explosion in human population over recent centuries. Those effects are only now beginning to be detectable, which is why human-caused global warming is so controversial in the public's eye. I predict that twenty years from now, climate change will be so obvious that the controversy regarding human responsibility will be gone.


Figure 2. The atmosphere viewed edge on from space. Tall thunderstorm clouds can be seen on the right side of the image, silhouetted against an orange layer of lower atmospheric gases (the troposphere) back-lit by the sun, just below the horizon. Above this layer is the clear blue of the stratosphere and the blackness of space. Seen from space, one can appreciate the thinness and potential vulnerability of the layer of gases that make up our atmosphere. Image credit: NASA Space Shuttle Flight 6 on 4 April 1983.

How representative is this poll?
The findings of another, more in-depth poll of scientists done in 2007 pretty much agreed with this week's Doran/Zimmerman poll, but were much more interesting. The 2007 poll, conducted by Fergus Brown, Roger Pielke, Sr., and James Annan, attempted to assess whether "a significant set of climate scientists agree or disagree with the perspective of the role of humans within the climate system as reported by the 2007 Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change's (IPCC) Fourth Assessment Report". Out of the 1807 scientists in 53 countries who were contacted, 140 responded. Almost all respondents (at least 97%) concluded that the "human addition of CO2 into the atmosphere is an important component of the climate system and has contributed to some extent in recent observed global average warming". Among the other findings:

1) No scientists were willing to admit to the statement that global warming is a fabrication and that human activity is not having any significant effect on climate [0%].

2) The largest group of respondents (45-50%) agreed with the 2007 IPCC report.

3) A significant minority (15-20%) concluded that the IPCC overstated the role of the human role in affecting the climate.

4) A significant minority (15-20%) concluded that the IPCC understated the seriousness of the threat from human additions of CO2. Ten of the 140 respondents (7%) took the most pessimistic view that we are "seriously damaging the climate" and face "devastating consequences".

Here's the full text of the poll, which I've also put up on my latest wunderpoll to vote on, if you're a Weather Underground member:

Which one statement most nearly matches your personal opinion about the physical science basis of global warming, as exemplified by the 2007 Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) Fourth Assessment Report, Working Group 1 (WG1)? [If your personal opinion falls between two adjacent statements, please mark both]

1. There is no warming; it is a fabrication based on inaccurate/inappropriate measurement. Human activity is not having any significant effect on Climate. The data on which such assumptions are made is so compromised as to be worthless. The physical science basis of Anthropogenic Global Warming theory is founded on a false hypothesis.

2. Any recent warming is most likely natural. Human input of CO2 has very little to do with it. Solar, naturally varying water vapor, and similar variables can explain most or all of the climate changes. Projections based on Global Climate Models are unreliable because these are based on too many assumptions and unreliable data sets.

3. There are changes in the atmosphere, including added CO2 from human activities, but significant climate effects are likely to be all within natural limits. The 'scares' are exaggerations with a political motive. The undue emphasis on CO2 diverts attention away from other, important research on climate variability and change.

4. There is warming and the human addition of CO2 causes some of it, but the science is too uncertain to be confident about current attributions of the precise role of CO2 with respect to other climate forcings. The IPCC WG1 overestimates the role of CO2 relative to other forcings, including a diverse variety of human climate forcings.

5. The scientific basis for human impacts on climate is well represented by the IPCC WG1 report. The lead scientists know what they are doing. We are warming the planet, with CO2 as the main culprit. At least some of the forecast consequences of this change are based on robust evidence.

6. The IPCC WG1 is compromised by political intervention; I agree with those scientists who say that the IPCC WG1 is underestimating the problem. Action to reduce human emissions of CO2 in order to mitigate against serious consequences is more urgent than the report suggests. This should be done irrespective of other climate and environmental considerations.

7. The IPCC WG1 seriously understates the human influence on climate. I agree with those scientists who say that major mitigation responses are needed immediately to prevent catastrophic serious warming and other impacts projected to result from human emissions of CO2. We are seriously damaging the Earth's climate, and will continue to face devastating consequences for many years.



Figure 3. Results of the 2007 opinion poll by Fergus Brown, Roger Pielke, Sr., and James Annan of climate scientists, organized by question number (one to seven). In the USA, the mean response was 4.8, compared to 5.2 in all other countries, and 5.6 in EU countries.

Commentary
The majority of climate scientists polled believe the 2007 IPCC reports essentially "gets it right", which is in part why I like to refer to the IPCC report as representing "the official word" on climate. This report concluded that there was a greater than 90% chance that most of the observed global warming in the past 50 years was due to emission of greenhouse gases by human activity. However, there are substantial minorities that believe the IPCC underestimates or overestimates the potential impacts, and these voices need to be respected, as well.

Dr. Ricky Rood talks in greater depth on this issue in his latest wunderground Climate Change blog: "There are many thousands of scientists, and while large groups of individuals often share many like-minded values and beliefs, they are never in lockstep on the details of all aspects of their beliefs. It is not expected that in a community of thousands of scientists that there is a uniform chant of doctrine. This is especially true given the very nature of scientific investigation of an enormously complex system."

Other voices on climate scientist polls
Dr. James Annan's blog
Planet Gore
Realclimate.org.

Jeff Masters
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551. BtnTx 3:29 AM GMT on January 30, 2009    
Quoting KoritheMan:


Mwahahahaha.


Thanks for the High Intelligence Response
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552. geepy86 3:30 AM GMT on January 30, 2009    
Quoting BtnTx:
I am a Charter Member of WUnderground from its early days.
I did not know how bad Dr Jeff Masters smoked Al Gore's Dope.

Will someone please let me know if there is another web site I can replace this one with. I am now ready to DIVORCE Wunderground. The Obamanation Communists are winning!
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553. KEHCharleston 3:35 AM GMT on January 30, 2009    
Quoting BtnTx:


Thanks for the High Intelligence Response

Oh dear.. you were being serious.



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554. theshepherd 3:52 AM GMT on January 30, 2009    
Quoting BtnTx:
I am a Charter Member of WUnderground from its early days.
I did not know how bad Dr Jeff Masters smoked Al Gore's Dope.

Will someone please let me know if there is another web site I can replace this one with. I am now ready to DIVORCE Wunderground. The Obamanation Communists are winning!
Are you waiting for someone to beg you to stay?
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555. KEHCharleston 4:01 AM GMT on January 30, 2009    
I am sorry, I could not resist

This is from BtnTx's Blog site:

"From Baytown Texas: Time to hug your Loved Ones!"

I kid you not....



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556. BtnTx 4:07 AM GMT on January 30, 2009    
Quoting KEHCharleston:
I am sorry, I could not resist

This is from BtnTx's Blog site:

"From Baytown Texas: Time to hug your Loved Ones!"

I kid you not....




Yes I put that hug message up after my step daughter committed suicide
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557. KEHCharleston 4:10 AM GMT on January 30, 2009    
Quoting BtnTx:

Yes I put that hug message up after my step daughter committed suicide


I am sorry for your loss. Please know, that my comment would not have been made, had I known. Would never purposefully inflict sorrow.
My apology
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558. WonderWeatherWoman 4:11 AM GMT on January 30, 2009    
Let's see now, seems there was a time when nearly 99% of all scientists agreed the world was flat. I say let's look at all the data and not be in such a rush to judge humanity for something we are just now starting to understand. I believe in taking care of the gift God has given us and not being wasteful. But to think that we can cause the planet to cool or warm at our command seems like a real reach for power we simply do not have.
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559. theshepherd 4:14 AM GMT on January 30, 2009    
Quoting BtnTx:

Yes I put that hug message up after my step daughter committed suicide


I would like to apologize for opening my big fat mouth.

God bless you and all that you love.
sheph
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560. BtnTx 4:18 AM GMT on January 30, 2009    
Quoting KEHCharleston:


I am sorry for your loss. Please know, that my comment would not have been made, had I known. Would never purposefully inflict sorrow.
My apology


I am working on trying to destroy my blog
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561. BtnTx 4:23 AM GMT on January 30, 2009    
Quoting BtnTx:


I am working on trying to destroy my blog

Blog Destroyed: Bye
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562. KEHCharleston 4:35 AM GMT on January 30, 2009    
I think I have done enough damage for the night.

Good night folks,

Stay warm
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563. BtnTx 4:47 AM GMT on January 30, 2009    
Everyone chill out. KEH and I are fine. Please get back to Weather!
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564. Orcasystems 4:55 AM GMT on January 30, 2009    
Quoting BtnTx:

Blog Destroyed: Bye

Bye
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565. BtnTx 4:57 AM GMT on January 30, 2009    
Ok: I will submit a comment before I go to bed real soon. It has been very cold here in Baytown
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566. Skyepony (Mod) 5:16 AM GMT on January 30, 2009    
& ya'll got uppity with me the other day when I said Ya'll tend to run off people... I know, I know~ it's a little rough around here when storms die & Hettie was brutully murdered by shear today with not an invest left in the world to watch. Still uncalled for..Ya'll need an ENSO rant.

As expected region 3,4 came up abit with the kelvin wave..


the big question was up or down from here...

ESPI has jumped from -1.17 to -.72 in the last few days. Heat building in the T-depth anomily. Check that pool of hot water coming from the east.

I'll go with these La Niña conditions' days are numbered~ 2, maybe 3 weeks tops.
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567. Skyepony (Mod) 5:24 AM GMT on January 30, 2009    
In keeping up with the weather news it was really wierd that nothing has come out of Madagascar after an article 5 days ago, which was a few days after they were nailed by Eric & Fanele. Today the mystery was solved. Apparently a large revolt took place & they burnt the media stations to the ground.
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568. rainmound 5:57 AM GMT on January 30, 2009    
Thanks for this blog, Dr. Masters.

Have you seen the video below?
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569. TampaSpin 10:29 AM GMT on January 30, 2009    
The Latest Models now have it getting much colder in Florida than before.......The fruit growers are going to have a problem Tuesday night or Wednesday morning...

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570. TampaSpin 10:40 AM GMT on January 30, 2009    
Big trouble Wed. morning it could get even colder than the graphic currently show...





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571. surfmom 11:08 AM GMT on January 30, 2009    
It's so nice to waking to the sound of Rain pinging on the skylights- 60 degrees in SWFL -- The cold front is on it's way. Happy for the rain -- not for cooler temps.
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572. surfmom 11:10 AM GMT on January 30, 2009    
TampaSpin, washoping when I woke up this morning I'd hear milder temps...... this is not good for Aqua's garden.... or anyone else for that matter.
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573. surfmom 11:12 AM GMT on January 30, 2009    
Tampaspin - just looked at the maps...say it isn't soooo. : (
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574. TampaSpin 11:14 AM GMT on January 30, 2009    
Quoting surfmom:
Tampaspin - just looked at the maps...say it isn't soooo. : (


yep and it could even get colder then the maps are currently showing....
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575. TampaSpin 11:16 AM GMT on January 30, 2009    
Looks like that the long range forecast has another big time cold front coming behind these next two that could even be more colder...
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576. TampaSpin 11:18 AM GMT on January 30, 2009    
The growers north from Tampa North will be in trouble Tuesday nite......
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577. aquak9 11:21 AM GMT on January 30, 2009    
Hi surfmom, tampaspin, everyone else who's head is spinning at these possible temps!!

surfmom- my garden is all on little trays still. I can carry it all in. New pic on my blog at bottom.
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578. TampaSpin 11:24 AM GMT on January 30, 2009    
Secondly the East Coast from Florida North i hope are ready for a Major Winter Storm......WoW what an amazing feature is developing the same time this Low is coming up the Coast a big time front will combine with it bringing very cold air and BOOOOOMMMMM....a snow storm from hell is coming....
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579. TampaSpin 11:25 AM GMT on January 30, 2009    
It appears to me that Jacksonville will get snow also........
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580. RMM34667 11:30 AM GMT on January 30, 2009    
TampaSpin.. what do you think we will see in the Bay Area (I'm in pasco)? Do you think we will have tornados and such?? I've heard .. Like 93 thrown around. I wasn't hear but know it flooded from the coast to 19 in this area. I also read we might see a breakout of tornados? What is your prediction?
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581. TampaSpin 11:37 AM GMT on January 30, 2009    
Quoting RMM34667:
TampaSpin.. what do you think we will see in the Bay Area (I'm in pasco)? Do you think we will have tornados and such?? I've heard .. Like 93 thrown around. I wasn't hear but know it flooded from the coast to 19 in this area. I also read we might see a breakout of tornados? What is your prediction?


Im looking at the latest model runs.......the Models do deepen a very strong Low in the GOM...
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582. surfmom 11:41 AM GMT on January 30, 2009    
567 - Whoa - another revolt!?

Aqua - I figured, since you are still in the tray stage -- the hard part -- never the less, we need to ask Mother Nature to cut you and the Farmers a break. The last thing we need is higher food prices or stress over your little greenies....

Will say I am grateful for this rain, as the Polo barns and club look like a tinder box after the last frost. The freeze was bad news for the already stressed pasture land (not enough rain) and horrific for the playing fields..which should look like emerald green, not crispy brown....
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583. TampaSpin 11:44 AM GMT on January 30, 2009    
Wow look at this it deepens as it move North......this is going to be a NorEaster from HELL.......yes it at appearance it could bring a very wide sread outbreak of severe weather in Florida and Coastal Flooding on the West Coast of Florida......but, this storm gets stronger as it moves up the Coast and looks like it deepens as deep as 981mb if my eyes are correct....WOW
This will be travel plans from Hell

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584. surfmom 11:45 AM GMT on January 30, 2009    
I feel like an old timer....I remember the storm of '93 - Youngbuck was an infant - I was stoked to have to stay inside and just sleep and cuddle........ I also remember using my four-wheel drive for the first time in my old Jeep wagonner. Had to drive down a medium, someone stopped in front of me ... then we sunk in the mud
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586. surfmom 11:47 AM GMT on January 30, 2009    
Thanks Goodness - Mother-from-the-North Flew out of Florida yesterday -- a few more days down here and there would have been fur flying instead
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587. surfmom 11:49 AM GMT on January 30, 2009    
This will be interesting to watch and learn about -- a change from 'canes -- but it's not anything I'd request for a lesson plan
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588. aquak9 11:50 AM GMT on January 30, 2009    
surfmom- you had a grand wagoneer too? mine was blue with wood paneling. Had a BIG lift kit. All it needed was a turret on the top.

Snow in jacksonville, eh, tampaspin? I want some of YOUR coffee!!!
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589. IKE 11:54 AM GMT on January 30, 2009    
Quoting TampaSpin:
The Latest Models now have it getting much colder in Florida than before.......The fruit growers are going to have a problem Tuesday night or Wednesday morning...



I figured that was going to happen.

My low forecasted for Tuesday night/Wednesday morning now....and I'm inland. Wouldn't be surprised to see it a touch colder...upper teens.

Tuesday Night
Mostly clear and cold. Patchy frost. Lows 20 to 25 inland...26 to 31 at the coast.
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590. TampaSpin 11:57 AM GMT on January 30, 2009    
Quoting vortfix:
Any severe weather threat involved with this system next week will greatly depend on where exactly it evolves and how it tracks out of the Gulf.



DAY 4-8 CONVECTIVE OUTLOOK
NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK
0329 AM CST FRI JAN 30 2009

VALID 021200Z - 071200Z

...DISCUSSION...

EVOLUTION OF LONG WAVE TROUGH OVER THE ERN U.S. WILL LARGELY DICTATE
THE INTENSITY/PROGRESSION OF SFC LOW OVER THE NERN GULF OF MEXICO
DURING THE DAY4-5 TIME PERIOD. GFS IS MORE AGGRESSIVE MERGING
NRN/SRN STREAMS AND DEEPENING UPPER TROUGH OVER THE MS
VALLEY...WHILE ECMWF MAINTAINS IDENTITY OF SRN STREAM SHORTWAVE OVER
THE NRN GULF OF MEXICO. GFS INTENSIFIES SFC LOW MORE QUICKLY OVER
THE NERN GULF WHILE THE ECMWF IS WEAKER AND SLOWER WITH THIS
DEVELOPMENT. GIVEN THAT 00Z MODELS DO NOT DESTABILIZE THE FL
PENINSULA TO ANY GREAT EXTENT...INTENSITY/TIMING OF DEVELOPING LOW
PRESSURE SYSTEM IS TOO UNCERTAIN TO INTRODUCE A SEVERE OUTLOOK AT
THIS TIME.

..DARROW.. 01/30/2009


Yep your correct...if you look at my post at 578 there is a front that collides with the Low.....and its too early yet to forecast for certainity severe weather for Florida although it sure appears that alot of things will be in place as the Big Bermuda high will have upper flow coming from the SW into the SW Florida....
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591. TampaSpin 12:02 PM GMT on January 30, 2009    
Quoting aquak9:
surfmom- you had a grand wagoneer too? mine was blue with wood paneling. Had a BIG lift kit. All it needed was a turret on the top.

Snow in jacksonville, eh, tampaspin? I want some of YOUR coffee!!!


Look at the model posted at 583....about the same time the Low moves out of Florida it collides with a cold front........Boom...snow in Jacksonville will not be out of the question......could be very heavy.
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592. surfmom 12:09 PM GMT on January 30, 2009    
LOL - are we clones?/ Same pyrate shirts and we both had Wagoneer Jeeps. Mine was white, wood panels and maroon interior --- I wept when I had to sell that car -- actually went and found a collector from TX who had it shipped from FL to TX........I had to be sure it wouldn't end up in a junk yard -- I loved that car
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593. surfmom 12:12 PM GMT on January 30, 2009    
Morning IKE! I have a t-shirt w/a picture of your name sake on it...... thanks to www.portlight.org

Looks like I'm running in the rain today -- kinda like that for a change -- I'm a REAL weather girl.... I may freeze but i don't melt
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594. Everette721 1:01 PM GMT on January 30, 2009    
Does anyone have the scenarios for Eastern NC for this storm? All the forecasters here are too scared to say anything other than we MIGHT get something.

Will I-95 be the usual rain/snow line?
596. TampaSpin 2:21 PM GMT on January 30, 2009    
I just updated my Blog with possible Blizzard conditions coming to the deep South....

Also get your Super Bowl Pool picks in. Time is running out.....

TampaSpins Weather Blog and Super Bowl Pool Link
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597. NEwxguy 2:29 PM GMT on January 30, 2009    
Tampa,this is going to be a wild ride,went to bed last night expecting a warm rain storm for Tuesday,and wake this morning with a completely different scenario,still early though,going to fun watching this evolve
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598. TampaSpin 2:30 PM GMT on January 30, 2009    
Quoting NEwxguy:
Tampa,this is going to be a wild ride,went to bed last night expecting a warm rain storm for Tuesday,and wake this morning with a completely different scenario,still early though,going to fun watching this evolve


I think Jacksonville and South Carolina could have a record Snow fall possibly coming.
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599. TampaSpin 2:32 PM GMT on January 30, 2009    
NEwxguy

The LOW and the Cold Front Collide it appears just off the Coast of Florida near Jacksonville.....that is going to be interesting to watch your correct.
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600. calusakat 2:33 PM GMT on January 30, 2009    
Yesterday I had an interesting revelation.

As I was going through my library of CD movies and VCR tapes, I came upon a copy of Jesus Christ - Superstar. It was as if I was destined to find it.

In one scene, as Jesus is approaching the Temple from outside the city, the High Priests are positioned on the second level of scaffolding. They are dressed in long, flowing black robes that drop almost to the ground, the wind is blowing the robes in an ominous way and when I first saw them, I was reminded of predatory raptors from the ancient times.

When I sat down to my computer just now, I thought OMG that is the perfect portrait of the AGW gang. Anyone, who has the strength of character to challenge their preachings, is vehemently attacked and ridiculed.

Polls show that 55% of this group do not agree with the AGWFL'ers and other polls reflect much the same as in the top of the opening blog. What is the commentary? That the respondents are misinformed and ignorant as in this quote from the blog...

the results of a poll that appears in this week's edition of the journal EOS, Transactions, American Geophysical Union, reveals that the public is misinformed on this issue. Fully 97% of the climate scientists who regularly publish on climate change agreed with the statement, "human activity is a significant contributing factor in changing mean global temperatures".

Face it folks, they consider us to be lemmings who will eventually fall into line if they can only control what we hear and see. Don't agree with AGW??? You are misinformed.

It looks as if I was mistaken when I described their degrees to appear to be from mail order colleges, now it appears to be more like they got them of the back of Cracker Jacks boxes instead.

They refuse to certify and verify their data gathering devices. They refuse to even respect opposing conclusions and they see nothing suspicious with 97% compliance with their viewpoint.

If that percentage were to have been the outcome of a open Union vote for establishment in a corporation, everyone would be suspicious. BTW open union voting is where your vote is made public so that the union knows how you voted. I can smell the cologne on the thugs now.
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601. TampaSpin 2:34 PM GMT on January 30, 2009    
Magnitude 4.5 - SEATTLE-TACOMA URBAN AREA, WASHINGTON
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