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Gulf of Mexico low growing more organized
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 1:51 PM GMT on May 21, 2009 +3
The large extratropical storm that has been drenching Florida over the past few days continues to pour rain on the state as it treks slowly west-northwestward over the Gulf of Mexico. Rainfall amounts as high as 23.75 inches have been measured in Northern Florida at the Flagler County Fairgrounds over the past four days, and Daytona Beach has seen over 14 inches, forcing closure of numerous roads. Another 1 - 3 inches are expected in Northeast Florida today from the storm, along with beach erosion, 7 - 10 foot waves, and tides 2 - 3 feet above normal. The bad weather in Northeast Florida should gradually subside Friday and the rains should diminish substantially on Saturday, when the center of the storm is expected to move ashore over Louisiana.


Figure 1. Storm total rainfall estimated from the Melbourne radar.

Latest visible satellite loops show that the circulation of the low has grown more circular and better defined, and heavy thunderstorm activity is starting to build off the Gulf Coast of Florida on the low's east side. These thunderstorms are beginning to form spiral bands characteristic of a developing tropical depression. Water vapor satellite imagery shows that the low is moving into an area of dry continental air, though, and this dry air will slow development. Wind shear is about 20 knots, which is low enough to allow development. While none of the computer models develop the storm, they generally predict the storm should move northwestwards towards Louisiana over the next two days, and the shear is lower to the north. The low is currently over Sea Surface Temperatures (SSTs) of about 27°C in the Loop Current, which is about 1°C (1.8°F) warmer than average. SSTs of at least 26°C are typically needed to support a tropical storm, so I expect the low will continue to develop through Friday. By Friday night, the low will be approaching the Louisiana coast, and SSTs will cool to 26°C. Still, with wind shear expected to drop, this low has a medium (30 - 50%) chance of developing into a subtropical or tropical depression before its expected landfall Saturday over Louisiana. Since there will be strong winds from the west creating wind shear over the storm, plus dry air to the storm's west, most of the heavy rain should be confined to the east of the storm's center, along a stretch of coast from New Orleans to Pensacola. Rainfall totals of 3 - 6 inches can be expected.


Figure 2. Latest satellite image of the Gulf of Mexico storm.

I'll have an update Friday morning, or sooner if NHC declares this storm an area of interest (an "Invest").

Jeff Masters
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351. Asta 6:47 PM GMT on May 21, 2009    
Hello All-
How much rain do you think SE Louisiana will see from this system by Tuesday?
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352. txalwaysprepared 6:47 PM GMT on May 21, 2009    
Quoting Patrap:
I can go outside and turn my ear to the Se and hear the Low trying to turn over like a 69 Small Block Chevy..

..Runn,REUnn,..Runn..


HA HA I just spit out my coke when I read that
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354. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod) 6:48 PM GMT on May 21, 2009    
Quoting NEwxguy:
It looks like one of our nor'easters we get up here.
yep
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355. KatyTexasNewbee 6:48 PM GMT on May 21, 2009    
356. weatherman874 6:49 PM GMT on May 21, 2009    
im thinking about 3-4 inches depending on how fast the system is moving
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357. Joanie38 6:50 PM GMT on May 21, 2009    
Hello everyone from SWLA! This low in the gulf has me wondering...
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358. canehunter09 6:56 PM GMT on May 21, 2009    
Hmmmm... has anyone noticed the blob of convection between jamaica and haiti? Is it apart of the low in the GOM? Cause its been there for the last 24 hours. Just wondering if im the only one that has seen it.
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359. IKE 6:58 PM GMT on May 21, 2009    
12Z ECMWF places the GOM low over land by Sunday...

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360. Patrap 6:59 PM GMT on May 21, 2009    
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361. Levi32 6:59 PM GMT on May 21, 2009    
Quoting canehunter09:
Hmmmm... has anyone noticed the blob of convection between jamaica and haiti? Is it apart of the low in the GOM? Cause its been there for the last 24 hours. Just wondering if im the only one that has seen it.


It's just part of the line of showers and thunderstorms stretching between Jamaica and Florida. They're being caused by diffluence aloft caused by the ULL in the gulf. They are not a threat to develop because they are being generated by baroclinic processes not tropical ones.
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362. canehunter09 7:03 PM GMT on May 21, 2009    
Quoting Levi32:


It's just part of the line of showers and thunderstorms stretching between Jamaica and Florida. They're being caused by diffluence aloft caused by the ULL in the gulf. They are not a threat to develop because they are being generated by baroclinic processes not tropical ones.


ok thanks of the answer levi
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363. Patrap 7:04 PM GMT on May 21, 2009    
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365. weatherwatcher12 7:08 PM GMT on May 21, 2009    
what effects could happen in Jamaica because there are heavy thunder showers
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367. Patrap 7:10 PM GMT on May 21, 2009    
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368. Buhdog 7:15 PM GMT on May 21, 2009    
personally i never get tired of heberts box...those living in s florida know that it is a virtual lock for us to get hit when it goes thru!

fact is 90% of these that do go thru it land hard...just sayin.
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370. Patrap 7:19 PM GMT on May 21, 2009    
Hebert Boxes are Kinda Like Voodoo Economics..


Hiss,Snicker,coff
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371. NEwxguy 7:23 PM GMT on May 21, 2009    
The long range models showing the gulf low moving up through the miss. valley and eventually effecting us here in the northeast by Wednesday
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372. Patrap 7:24 PM GMT on May 21, 2009    
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373. canehunter09 7:25 PM GMT on May 21, 2009    
yall think the area of convection near jamaica has any chance of development?
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374. Buhdog 7:26 PM GMT on May 21, 2009    
How so pat? I tried to picture you saying it like george bush....but i still couldn't get it.
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375. jeffs713 7:28 PM GMT on May 21, 2009    
Quoting canehunter09:
yall think the area of convection near jamaica has any chance of development?

nope. Its a baroclinic process (created by a trough of low pressure), and not ocean heat driven (which would be tropical). Also, shear over it is 40+ knots.

So, it simply will not develop.
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376. Patrap 7:29 PM GMT on May 21, 2009    
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377. 1088391 7:31 PM GMT on May 21, 2009    
why isn't this on the nation hurricane center page

i expect to see a subtropical storm soon
378. hurricane23 7:34 PM GMT on May 21, 2009    
This system will not amount to much some rain and gusty winds.Pretty hefty rain totals are possible though.
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379. Stormchaser2007 7:35 PM GMT on May 21, 2009    
Quoting 1088391:
why isn't this on the nation hurricane center page

i expect to see a subtropical storm soon


I guarantee you that wont happen.
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380. presslord 7:37 PM GMT on May 21, 2009    
actually...I have sailed through the Hebert Boxes several times...and each time ended up in Florida...
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381. WPBHurricane05 7:37 PM GMT on May 21, 2009    
Had 1 inch of rain early this morning. Lightning flashing every 2 seconds and thunder shaking my house. Got another inch this afternoon from another weaker t-storm.

Convection wise, this storm isn't to impressive. It has been creating some pretty strong t-storms over Florida though.
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382. Buhdog 7:39 PM GMT on May 21, 2009    
Here is a shot of andrea

Link
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383. NEwxguy 7:39 PM GMT on May 21, 2009    
People keep wanting to turn this thing into something its not
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384. Patrap 7:39 PM GMT on May 21, 2009    
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385. charlottefl 7:40 PM GMT on May 21, 2009    
THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN RUSKIN HAS ISSUED A

* TORNADO WARNING FOR...
SOUTHERN DESOTO COUNTY IN FLORIDA.
EASTERN CHARLOTTE COUNTY IN FLORIDA.

* UNTIL 345 PM EDT

* AT 322 PM EDT...NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE DOPPLER RADAR INDICATED
A TORNADO 5 MILES NORTHWEST OF TUCKERS CORNER...OR 19 MILES EAST
OF PUNTA GORDA...MOVING NORTHWEST AT 20 MPH.

* THE TORNADO WILL BE NEAR...
BABCOCK RANCH.

PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...

IF YOU ARE IN THE PATH OF THE TORNADO GO TO A SMALL INTERIOR ROOM IN
A STRONG AND WELL CONSTRUCTED BUILDING. CARS AND MOBILE HOMES ARE NOT
SAFE! IF NO SHELTER IS AVAILABLE...LIE FLAT IN A DITCH OR CULVERT AND
COVER YOUR HEAD WITH YOUR HANDS.
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386. Stormchaser2007 7:41 PM GMT on May 21, 2009    
Quoting Patrap:


Floater - Visible Loop


That floater is left over from the old 90L.
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387. Patrap 7:43 PM GMT on May 21, 2009    
Wow..a quote,

..go figure.

There was a 90L..?

LOL !

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388. RitaEvac 7:44 PM GMT on May 21, 2009    
2 majors is all their predicting, but 14 storms, think their gonna be wrong again.
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389. Patrap 7:47 PM GMT on May 21, 2009    
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390. CybrTeddy 7:48 PM GMT on May 21, 2009    
Quoting hurricane23:
This system will not amount to much some rain and gusty winds.Pretty hefty rain totals are possible though.


Wouldn't be so quick to say that 23.
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391. Ossqss 7:50 PM GMT on May 21, 2009    


I continue to learn stuff from this blog everyday, even when I don't want to :)

Link
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392. REEFKEEPA1 7:51 PM GMT on May 21, 2009    
Good we need the rain here in NOLA
393. Joanie38 7:52 PM GMT on May 21, 2009    
Hi Patrap! I do respect your analysis on things..I always read your updates...:)
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394. hurricane23 7:53 PM GMT on May 21, 2009    
Quoting RitaEvac:
2 majors is all their predicting, but 14 storms, think their gonna be wrong again.


Whether its 1 major or 5 it just takes 1 numbers predicted are not of any importance.
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395. 69Viking 7:53 PM GMT on May 21, 2009    
Quoting presslord:
actually...I have sailed through the Hebert Boxes several times...and each time ended up in Florida...


LMAO! Good one Presslord!
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396. Patrap 7:54 PM GMT on May 21, 2009    
Afternoon Joanie38,I mostly just post relevant info as,Im not a forecaster,nor met in any sense of the word.

Im Just a Blogger...
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397. MsBlanch 7:54 PM GMT on May 21, 2009    
I’m sure I’ll regret asking, but what is herberts box?
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398. obsessedwweather 7:54 PM GMT on May 21, 2009    
This 'Northeast and Central Florida super rainmaker thing' is looking more and more organized by the minute.

I'm no pro, but looks impressive to me.
399. Patrap 7:55 PM GMT on May 21, 2009    
Latest WV Loop



Latest IR Loop

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400. Joanie38 7:55 PM GMT on May 21, 2009    
Quoting Patrap:
Afternoon Joanie38,I mostly just post relevant info as,Im not a forecaster,nor met in any sense of the word.

Im Just a Blogger...


Well, I think yer pretty smart on things...:)
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401. Chicklit 7:55 PM GMT on May 21, 2009    
Lake Okeechobee is finally getting some rain!
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