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High wind shear ripping into 97L
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 1:49 PM GMT on July 20, 2009 +2
A strong tropical wave (97L) a few hundred miles east of Barbados in the Lesser Antilles Islands has grown less organized today as it tracks west at 15 - 20 mph. The wave is moving underneath an upper-level trough of low pressure, which is bringing 30 knots of wind shear to 97L. While there is a respectable amount of heavy thunderstorm activity associated with 97L, there is no longer any low-level spiral banding or rotation of the cloud pattern. This morning's QuikSCAT pass at 5:35 am EDT showed sustained winds of 35 mph a few hundred miles east of Barbados, but there was no surface circulation evident. The islands of Barbados, St. Vincent and the Grenadines, St. Lucia, and Martinique can expect heavy rain and wind gusts to 50 mph as 97L moves through the Lesser Antilles Islands this afternoon and tonight, but 97L will not become a tropical depression.

Wind shear along the path of 97L is forecast to remain in the high 25 - 35 knot range for at least the next three days. This should prevent further development of 97L, and I expect the disturbance will be gradually torn apart during the next few days. The National Hurricane Center gives 97L a low (less than 30% chance) of developing into a tropical depression in the next 48 hours. None of the computer models are forecasting any tropical storm development over the next seven days.


Figure 1. Current satellite image of African wave 97L.

I'll have an update Tuesday morning. As 97L moves through the islands, you may want to follow local observations there using our wundermap for the region.

Jeff Masters
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851. GatorWX 7:25 PM GMT on July 20, 2009    
What's the CMC picking up near the end of its run? Around the 120hr mark, pretty strong system running up the eastern seaboard????

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852. jeffs713 7:25 PM GMT on July 20, 2009    
Quoting TheCaneWhisperer:


Thank God Cuba took one for the team on that one. Ernesto was expected to pop further off the coast but, chose to follow the GFDL track and parallel the coast, inland for a great while. That trip messed it up so much it couldn't re-structure fast enough. Ernesto was a strengthening cyclone upon landfall, remember it got stronger over land around Lake O?


That was Fay that strengthened over Lake O.
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853. tropicfreak 7:25 PM GMT on July 20, 2009    
Quoting Acemmett90:

no that is from the shear but maybe alittle bit of banding
i really hope this doesn't get into the gom


It won't and even if it did it would weaken because the trough forced the shear into the GOM from the bahamas.
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856. GatorWX 7:27 PM GMT on July 20, 2009    
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857. BajaALemt 7:27 PM GMT on July 20, 2009    
Afternoon all.....

Thanks for all the inputs to read/catch up on :)

Grantley Adams Barbados (Notes that the pressure's stayed steady today)
858. tropicfreak 7:27 PM GMT on July 20, 2009    
Quoting jasoniscoolman09:
new map update...haha


There he goes again, put him on ignore.
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859. StormChaser81 7:27 PM GMT on July 20, 2009    


Wind Shear is really taking a toll on 97L. Most of the cirrus clouds have been sheared to the south east. Wind Shear is dampening heavy thunder activity from the center and this may be a problem as this system will be under high to moderate shear for the next days. Especially later today when it enters the diurnal minimum which will slow heavy thunder storm activity from re-fire.
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860. Stormchaser2007 7:27 PM GMT on July 20, 2009    
Ana to make landfall on NYC? Then again its the NAM...

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861. beell 7:28 PM GMT on July 20, 2009    
Quoting BurnedAfterPosting:


yup and a few of the models are seeing all of this combine and develop into a system in the Bahamas in abou 4 days


The biggest "if", or an "if" anyway, is if the disturbance associated with 97L stays with the general track of the wave or if it follows the pattern and the northen end fractures off and rides the ridge.
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862. Drakoen 7:28 PM GMT on July 20, 2009    
97L getting ragged lol
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863. TampaSpin 7:29 PM GMT on July 20, 2009    
Naked swirl of death is emerging now from 97L
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864. GatorWX 7:29 PM GMT on July 20, 2009    
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865. extreme236 7:29 PM GMT on July 20, 2009    
Quoting Acemmett90:

and its starting to come back if you look at the lastest sats


Not really. I think it looks really ragged.
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866. HurricaneNewb 7:29 PM GMT on July 20, 2009    
Anyone know if that is anything at 43, 5 its a small little wave in front of the bigger african wave that came off a few days ago. After zooming in looks like its spinning.
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868. tropicfreak 7:30 PM GMT on July 20, 2009    
Quoting Stormchaser2007:
Ana to make landfall on NYC? Then again its the NAM...



Thats ridiculous. More likely a carolinas storm.
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869. weatherwatcher12 7:31 PM GMT on July 20, 2009    
Quoting btwntx08:
how muh longer till shear maps are out??

10 mins
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870. tropicfreak 7:31 PM GMT on July 20, 2009    
The NAM is just trying to freak out New Yorkers.
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871. Drakoen 7:31 PM GMT on July 20, 2009    
She's going to need a miracle:
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873. tropicfreak 7:32 PM GMT on July 20, 2009    
Quoting GatorWX:
Well my image wont post, here's a link, take a look. CMC 120 hr mark showing strong system running up eastern seaboard. See what you think.


Too close for comfort for the carolinas and Virginia.
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874. jeffs713 7:32 PM GMT on July 20, 2009    
Quoting Stormchaser2007:
Ana to make landfall on NYC? Then again its the NAM...



The CMC tries to spin everything up, and is usually only good for a "worst possible case" until it is fully initialized. Also, I think Joe Bastardi may have stock in the people who run the CMC. I would discount it as an outlier.
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875. Twisterman555 7:33 PM GMT on July 20, 2009    
I am not going to RIP 97L, but it is not looking good.
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876. Stormchaser2007 7:33 PM GMT on July 20, 2009    
Quoting jeffs713:


The CMC tries to spin everything up, and is usually only good for a "worst possible case" until it is fully initialized. Also, I think Joe Bastardi may have stock in the people who run the CMC. I would discount it as an outlier.


Its the NAM...not the CMC lol.
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878. STORMMASTERG 7:34 PM GMT on July 20, 2009    
I would take a landfall in nyc.I AM FROM COASTAL NJ.
879. HurricaneSwirl 7:35 PM GMT on July 20, 2009    
Quoting TheCaneWhisperer:


Thank God Cuba took one for the team on that one. Ernesto was expected to pop further off the coast but, chose to follow the GFDL track and parallel the coast, inland for a great while. That trip messed it up so much it couldn't re-structure fast enough. Ernesto was a strengthening cyclone upon landfall, remember it got stronger over land around Lake O?


yeah, unfortunately for florida systems dont tend to weaken too much over or near it. just too darn skinny. almost re-strengthened to a hurricane before the carolinas. western cuba and haiti equaled death to ernesto though and hopefully the same for this tiny invest lol.
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880. GatorWX 7:35 PM GMT on July 20, 2009    
In fact almost all the models are picking up on something paralleling the east coast. Any thoughts, haven't really researched it just yet. I was just checking out the models for insight into the track of 97 when I noticed it. Looks like it would threaten only sealife and ships, but the NAM and cmc seem to want to make it into a powerful system.
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881. STORMMASTERG 7:36 PM GMT on July 20, 2009    
No its not,still got convection.Tomorrow evening 5 to 10kt shear over it.I give it a 80% chance of seeing that shear.
882. reedzone 7:36 PM GMT on July 20, 2009    
It wouldn't surprise me that the NAM verifies, the area in the Bahamas has organized a bit today.
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883. Seastep 7:36 PM GMT on July 20, 2009    
Looked much worse last night.
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885. HurricaneSwirl 7:38 PM GMT on July 20, 2009    
Quoting Acemmett90:

and its starting to come back if you look at the lastest sats
Quoting Acemmett90:
this storm is dead


in just 14 minutes you have went from this storm is coming back to this storm is dead lol
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886. jeffs713 7:38 PM GMT on July 20, 2009    
Quoting Stormchaser2007:


Its the NAM...not the CMC lol.


Don't mind me then. hehe.

(It is still an outlier)
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888. Stormchaser2007 7:38 PM GMT on July 20, 2009    
Quoting Acemmett90:

no you won't the city would flood because of the way its positioned


Im pretty sure they could handle a 40mph TS lol.
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889. TheCaneWhisperer 7:38 PM GMT on July 20, 2009    
Quoting jeffs713:


That was Fay that strengthened over Lake O.


08/29 12 GMT 23.2 79.3 45 1006 Tropical Storm
08/29 18 GMT 23.9 79.9 45 1005 Tropical Storm
08/30 00 GMT 24.7 80.4 45 1004 Tropical Storm
08/30 06 GMT 25.3 80.8 45 1003 Tropical Storm
08/30 12 GMT 26.1 81.0 40 1002 Tropical Storm
08/30 18 GMT 27.0 80.9 40 1001 Tropical Storm
08/31 00 GMT 28.1 80.7 40 1000

That's Ernesto's trip exiting Cuba to exiting Florida.
890. Stormchaser2007 7:39 PM GMT on July 20, 2009    
Quoting jeffs713:


Don't mind me then. hehe.

(It is still an outlier)


Yes it is...I've never use the NAM for tropical weather and I wont start now.
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892. BenBIogger 7:39 PM GMT on July 20, 2009    
Quoting HurricaneSwirl:


in just 14 minutes you have went from this storm is coming back to this storm is dead lol


lol
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893. Stormchaser2007 7:39 PM GMT on July 20, 2009    
Quoting HurricaneSwirl:


in just 14 minutes you have went from this storm is coming back to this storm is dead lol


Hes just a kid...an impatient kid.
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894. TheCaneWhisperer 7:40 PM GMT on July 20, 2009    
Quoting TheCaneWhisperer:


08/29 12 GMT 23.2 79.3 45 1006 Tropical Storm
08/29 18 GMT 23.9 79.9 45 1005 Tropical Storm
08/30 00 GMT 24.7 80.4 45 1004 Tropical Storm
08/30 06 GMT 25.3 80.8 45 1003 Tropical Storm
08/30 12 GMT 26.1 81.0 40 1002 Tropical Storm
08/30 18 GMT 27.0 80.9 40 1001 Tropical Storm
08/31 00 GMT 28.1 80.7 40 1000

That's Ernesto's trip exiting Cuba to exiting Florida.


Not sure where your at but, I witnessed both of them first hand.
895. tropicfreak 7:40 PM GMT on July 20, 2009    
Quoting Stormchaser2007:


Yes it is...I've never use the NAM for tropical weather and I wont start now.


never have never will LOL.
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896. GatorWX 7:40 PM GMT on July 20, 2009    
Quoting Stormchaser2007:


Its the NAM...not the CMC lol.


The cmc picks it up too. It doesn't bring to NYC though.
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898. Drakoen 7:40 PM GMT on July 20, 2009    
Wind shear has not budged one bit unless you want to go by the shear tendency map
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899. Stormchaser2007 7:41 PM GMT on July 20, 2009    
Quoting Acemmett90:

do you live in new york


I use to live 20 miles from NYC in NE NJ. I was there for Floyd which was a 70mph TS when it hit the area.
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900. moonlightcowboy 7:41 PM GMT on July 20, 2009    
It's just in an extremely hostile environment, especially to be so small; but small and under the shear may be the only thing that has saved it thus far.

And, looking at water vapor, the anti-cyclone seems to be emerging, broadening in the direction of 97L, knocking back some of the westerly shear. Will it get there in time? LOL. I'm beginning to doubt it myself.
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901. STORMMASTERG 7:41 PM GMT on July 20, 2009    
I am from the yc area/coastal nj is pretty close.I can't wait to see it a cyclone here.

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