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World storm surge records
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 2:41 PM GMT on August 03, 2009 +4
There's still not much to talk about the tropical Atlantic today. The Intertropical Convergence Zone (ITCZ), the band of intense thunderstorms that spans the tropical Atlantic between Africa and the Lesser Antilles Islands, has grown more active in the past few days, though. The two tropical waves in the ITCZ closest to the coast of Africa bear some scrutiny this week as they cross the Atlantic. However, none of the models are currently forecasting development of these waves, and there is plenty of wind shear and dry air that will interfere with potential development.

World storm surge records
In preparation for the release of a major new storm surge section of the web site, I've been researching storm surge records. The Bathurst Bay Cyclone, also known as Tropical Cyclone Mahina, which struck Bathurst Bay, Australia on March 5, 1899, is generally credited with the world record for storm surge. The cyclone's storm surge is variously listed at 13 - 14.6 meters (43 - 48 feet). The Category 5 cyclone was a monster--with sustained winds in excess of 175 mph and a central pressure between 880 and 914 mb. Mahina killed at least 307 people, mostly on pearling ships, and was the deadliest cyclone in Australian history. The eyewitness account of Mahina's record storm surge was provided by Constable J. M. Kenny, who journeyed to Barrow Point on Bathurst Bay to investigate a crime on the day of the storm. While camped on a ridge 40 feet above sea level and 1/2 mile inland, Kenny's camp was inundated by a storm wave, reaching waist-deep. On nearby Flinders Island, fish and dolphins were found on top of 15 meter (49 foot) cliffs. However, an analysis by Nott and Hayne (2000) found no evidence of storm-deposited debris higher than 3 - 5 meters above mean sea level in the region. They also cited two computer storm surge simulations of the cyclone that were unable to generate a surge higher than three meters. Indeed, Bathurst Bay is not ideally situated to receive high storm surges. The Great Barrier Reef lies just 20 - 40 km offshore, and the ocean bottom near the bay is not shallow, but steeply sloped. Both of these factors should conspire to keep storm surges well below the record 13 - 14.6 meters reported. The authors concluded that the actual surge from the Bathurst Bay Cyclone may have been 3 - 5 meters. The observed inundation at 13 meters elevation, plus the observation of dolphins deposited at 15 meters above sea level, could have been caused by high waves on top of the surge, they argue. Waves on top of the surge (called "wave run-up") can reach five times the wave height at the shore for steeply fronted coasts like at Bathurst Bay. Since waves in the Bathurst Bay Cyclone could easily have been 3 meters, 15 meters of wave run-up on top of the surge is quite feasible. Since wave run-up doesn't count as surge, the status of the 1899 Bathurst Bay Hurricane as the world-record holder for storm surge is questionable. However, the event is certainly the record holder for the high water mark set by a tropical cyclone's storm surge, an important category in its own right.


Figure 1. Satellite image of Bathurst Bay, Queensland Province, Australia. The record 43 - 48 foot storm surge wave occurred on Barrow Point, marked by an "x" on the map above. Image credit: NASA.


Figure 2. Track of the 1899 Bathurst Bay cyclone. Bathurst Bay is located at the point where the 914 mb pressure is listed. Image credit: Whittingham, 1958.

Australian storm surge records
The largest storm surges in Australia occur in Gulf of Carpentaria, due to the large expanse of shallow water there (the Gulf of Carpentaria is the large bay to the left of the zoomed-in map of Bathurst Bay shown above). According to an email I received from Australian hurricane scientist Jeffrey Callaghan, "From all reports the storm surge from the disastrous 5 March 1887 cyclone flooded almost all of Burketown (some 30km inland from the Gulf). A copy of a 1918 report to the Queensland Parliament from the Department of Harbours and Rivers Engineer refers to the sea rising to 5.5 metres above the highest spring tide level at the Albert River Heads. This level is about 8 metres (26.2 feet) above Australian Height Datum (AHD). The biggest measured surge in the Gulf of Carpenteria occurred on 30 March 1923, when a surge of 21.4 feet was recorded at a Groote Eylandt Mission".

So what is the world storm surge record if the Bathurst Bay cyclone does not qualify? Well, I haven't researched storms in the Indian Ocean or Pacific Typhoons yet, but it might be difficult to find any storm that beats Hurricane Katrina's 27.8 foot storm surge.

References:
Nott, J, N. Hayne, 2000: How high was the storm surge from Tropical Cyclone Mahina?", Australian Journal of Emergency Management, Autumn 2000.

Anonymous, 1899, The Outridge Report--The Pearling Disaster 1899: A Memorial", The Outridge Company, 1899

Whittingham, 1958, "The Bathurst Bay hurricane and associated storm surge", Australian Meteorological Magazine, No. 27, pp. 40-41. Scanned and put on-line courtesy of John McBride.

I'll have an update on Tuesday, when the latest CSU seasonal hurricane forecast comes out at 11am EDT.
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Jeff Masters
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1401. stormwatcherCI 2:45 AM GMT on August 04, 2009    
Quoting KYhomeboy:


No DDR...Grand Cayman
Ky is the code for Cayman Islands in postal codes.
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1402. MeterologistDewon9 2:46 AM GMT on August 04, 2009    


Not labeled as an Invest yet..wow
1403. Cavin Rawlins 2:47 AM GMT on August 04, 2009    
Quoting TampaSpin:
Honestly i would say that NHC does not issue an Invest until they think a Surface Low is coming or about to form....We shall see.


An Invest has nothing to do with model support, surface low, enviroment or chances of development. An invest is a subjective decision - as the feel interested. Invest 93L and 97L never had a surface circulation.
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1404. KYhomeboy 2:47 AM GMT on August 04, 2009    
Quoting stormwatcherCI:
That's what I always say. If they wait until they get in the Caribbean to develop I don't worry so much but Paloma shocked me last year.


Yea...we just hope that when they are near by the conditions aren't favorable enough to warrant rapid intensification. Remember Felix in the central caribbean? What a monster! Thank God that passed far enough away. And yes...Paloma was another one...quite a suprise that one was.
1405. IKE 2:47 AM GMT on August 04, 2009    
Dr. Lyons update momentarily.
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1406. futuremet 2:48 AM GMT on August 04, 2009    
lol

Tomorrow we will know. These downcasting/overcasting debates have been going for far too long.
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1407. futuremet 2:48 AM GMT on August 04, 2009    
GNIGHT
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1408. kmanislander 2:49 AM GMT on August 04, 2009    
Quoting atmoaggie:


Sorry. Just showed up, honestly.


No problem.
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1409. SSideBrac 2:50 AM GMT on August 04, 2009    
Quoting KYhomeboy:


Yea...we just hope that when they are near by the conditions aren't favorable enough to warrant rapid intensification. Remember Felix in the central caribbean? What a monster! Thank God that passed far enough away. And yes...Paloma was another one...quite a suprise that one was.

Paloma was no dove - that is for sure!!
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1410. SLU 2:50 AM GMT on August 04, 2009    
Quoting eye:
Drak the downcaster


thanks.
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1411. pottery 2:51 AM GMT on August 04, 2009    
I do think that people in the caribbean Islands should be made aware of this system in the morning.
It certainly would do no harm for the Authorities to start putting people on notice. If this system does not develop, there are more where this one came from..........
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1412. Tazmanian 2:51 AM GMT on August 04, 2009    
hmmm where the Forecast Discussion for Tropical Storm ENRIQUE
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1414. KYhomeboy 2:52 AM GMT on August 04, 2009    
Quoting DDR:

Cool..welcome to the club,we been getting alot of caribbean people up in here recently.
I can see you haven't been getting much rain,that sucks.Its been average here,(Trinidad)not so much in june though.


Thanks. I've been on here for a few seasons though. Usually don't comment...just like to sit back..watch and learn from the not so novice guys and gals. Good resource for tracking as well.

Seems that a lot of the Caribbean is in rainfall deficit. Hopefully that will change because things are crazy dry. I need to get to Trini for carnival!!! Maybe nexy year..haha.
1415. StormJunkie 2:52 AM GMT on August 04, 2009    
Quoting AllStar17:


StormJunkie -- The EPAC systems are really in the middle of nowhere, also.


But they have surface lows correct?

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1416. Cavin Rawlins 2:52 AM GMT on August 04, 2009    
Quoting IKE:
Dr. Lyons update momentarily.


He is more interested in the surf forecast for California, tropical update? lol lol lol
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1417. presslord 2:52 AM GMT on August 04, 2009    
Quoting Weather456:


An Invest has nothing to do with model support, surface low, enviroment or chances of development. An invest is a subjective decision - as the feel interested. Invest 93L and 97L never had a surface circulation.


Peoples' ignorance about this and "...the Extrap model..." make me absolutely crazy...
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1418. IKE 2:53 AM GMT on August 04, 2009    
He said the blob..."has a chance to move into dry air and fizzle out."
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1419. HadesGodWyvern 2:53 AM GMT on August 04, 2009    
Give it time, Taz it will be filed
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1420. SLU 2:53 AM GMT on August 04, 2009    
Quoting Weather456:


remember 93L, lol


No comment sir .. we have our own reservations about the NHC. Good thing we are knowledgeable enough to monitor our own weather. :)
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1421. AllStar17 2:54 AM GMT on August 04, 2009    
Lyons: a bit of a combination of the past 3 hour analyses. Far south, we will watch it, in a moist environment; may move into this dry area over the next few days and it might fizzle; we will watch it, it is far from land

everything else focused on the Pacific
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1422. stormwatcherCI 2:54 AM GMT on August 04, 2009    
Quoting SSideBrac:

Paloma was no dove - that is for sure!!
I live in East End and we had a decent wind blowing up here but nothing like what you had over there.
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1424. TampaSpin 2:55 AM GMT on August 04, 2009    
Quoting Weather456:


An Invest has nothing to do with model support, surface low, enviroment or chances of development. An invest is a subjective decision - as the feel interested. Invest 93L and 97L never had a surface circulation.


Wasn't that basically what i said "they think" they are not going to issue an invest simply at a puff of clouds.....of course it is subjective as is every forecast..
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1425. KYhomeboy 2:55 AM GMT on August 04, 2009    
Quoting SSideBrac:

Paloma was no dove - that is for sure!!


Most definitely not for you Brac!
1426. StormJunkie 2:55 AM GMT on August 04, 2009    
Ok, off to bed...Shall see what it looks like in the am.

And for the record, I am not down casting or up casting it. Certainly not bashing the NHC for waiting a little longer either. Rather interesting for us weather weenies, but waiting another 12 hours to mention it to the masses is not a mistake imho.
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1427. Tazmanian 2:57 AM GMT on August 04, 2009    
there it is
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1428. kmanislander 2:57 AM GMT on August 04, 2009    
I'm out for tonight as well. Catch you all tomorrow
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1429. Cavin Rawlins 2:59 AM GMT on August 04, 2009    
a surface trough has now been added to the surface maps along our feature

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1430. TampaSpin 2:57 AM GMT on August 04, 2009    
Quoting StormW:
I don't know why they don't call it a Tropical Disturbance instead of a surface trof.


Storm i don't recall NHC every call something a Disturbance that is within the ITCZ...i think the proper name would be a Surface trof...i think....but what do i know...i was just pulling from my memory when dealing with the ITCZ..
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1432. pottery 2:58 AM GMT on August 04, 2009    
Press, you have something against the EXTRAP ?
But look at it this way--it is 100% right, for a systems previous track.
LOL
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1433. Drakoen 2:58 AM GMT on August 04, 2009    
Quoting StormW:
I don't know why they don't call it a Tropical Disturbance instead of a surface trof.



It doesn't deserve that title due to it's poor organization.
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1434. swatkins 2:58 AM GMT on August 04, 2009    
Great shot of the storm EUMETSAT
1435. java162 2:58 AM GMT on August 04, 2009    
John Desjardins, Lead Meteorologist, The Weather Channel
Aug. 3, 2009 8:31 pm ET
In the far eastern Atlantic, an area of low pressure southwest of the Cape Verde Islands has developed more convection over the past day.

This low is in an area that is generally favorable for development. It is possible this could become the first tropical depression of the Atlantic season over the next day or two.

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1436. presslord 2:59 AM GMT on August 04, 2009    
Huh?!
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1437. JRRP 2:59 AM GMT on August 04, 2009    

i think it is weakening a bit
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1438. Chicklit 2:59 AM GMT on August 04, 2009    
Quoting pottery:
I do think that people in the caribbean Islands should be made aware of this system in the morning.
It certainly would do no harm for the Authorities to start putting people on notice. If this system does not develop, there are more where this one came from..........

no kidding potts.
although there is thirty sheer currently between them and whatever it is, there's no harm telling them 40 shear is gone.
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1439. presslord 3:00 AM GMT on August 04, 2009    
pottery...yup...it's infallible... ; )
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1440. BurnedAfterPosting 3:00 AM GMT on August 04, 2009    
Quoting java162:
John Desjardins, Lead Meteorologist, The Weather Channel
Aug. 3, 2009 8:31 pm ET
In the far eastern Atlantic, an area of low pressure southwest of the Cape Verde Islands has developed more convection over the past day.

This low is in an area that is generally favorable for development. It is possible this could become the first tropical depression of the Atlantic season over the next day or two.



It wouldnt be the first tropical depression, it would be the second
1441. TampaSpin 3:01 AM GMT on August 04, 2009    
Quoting Drakoen:



It doesn't deserve that title due to it's poor organization.


Drak don't say that.....your going to get it now buddy......LOL....but, i do hear ya!
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1443. AllStar17 3:01 AM GMT on August 04, 2009    
Quoting BurnedAfterPosting:


It wouldnt be the first tropical depression, it would be the second


That is what I was thinking.

Quoting JRRP:

i think it is weakening a bit


Please....let's not start this again
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1444. atmoaggie 3:01 AM GMT on August 04, 2009    
either way, it has to move out of the ITCZ before anything happens. Meridional convergence does not a hurricane make.

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1445. BurnedAfterPosting 3:01 AM GMT on August 04, 2009    
Quoting presslord:
Huh?!


spinzone disrespects everyone he or she encounters on here, pay no attention

he or she got on someone last night for something they posted and ended up being the one that was wrong, when I said something, I got jumped all over by him or her.

1446. Cavin Rawlins 3:02 AM GMT on August 04, 2009    
Quoting BurnedAfterPosting:


It wouldnt be the first tropical depression, it would be the second


It's hard to make that mistake, TD 1 was like?, 2 months ago, lol.
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1447. StormJunkie 3:03 AM GMT on August 04, 2009    
One last question/point before I go to bed...

Is the NHC already looking at microwave imagery of the system? I know that we don't start seeing some of the better microwave images until it is an invest correct?
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1448. atmoaggie 3:03 AM GMT on August 04, 2009    
Quoting spinzone:
LMAO Presslord!
Do you even know the significance of an Invest or the XTRP?


He does.
And, honestly, there are times when XTRP is closer to the actual track than some model runs.
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1449. presslord 3:03 AM GMT on August 04, 2009    
Quoting BurnedAfterPosting:


spinzone disrespects everyone he or she encounters on here, pay no attention

he or she got on someone last night for something they posted and ended up being the one that was wrong, when I said something, I got jumped all over by him or her.



ah...that 'splains it...
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1450. help4u 3:03 AM GMT on August 04, 2009    
is weakening rapidly!
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1451. RMM34667 3:04 AM GMT on August 04, 2009    
Local Tampa "10 Connects" just said there is a wave they are watching .. and the NHC hasn't had anything to say about it..
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