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TD 2 nearly dead; African disturbance 90L gathering strength
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 2:38 PM GMT on August 13, 2009 +4
Tropical Depression Two is near death, but is still worth watching. The dry, Saharan air to the north and west of the depression, combined with moderately high levels of wind shear of 15 - 20 knots, have almost completely destroyed all of TD 2's heavy thunderstorms. Satellite loops of the storm show a well-formed circulation, but almost no heavy thunderstorm activity.

Wind shear over TD 2 is expected to remain in the modereate range, 10 - 20 knots, over the next five days. Sea Surface Temperatures (SSTs) are 27°C, but will warm to 28°C three days from now. There is plenty of dry, stable air from the Saharan Air Layer (SAL) to to TD 2's north and west that will continue to cause the storm problems. The relatively cool SSTs and dry air mean that TD 2 will not be able to intensify quickly, and some of the models indicate the TD 2 may get destroyed in the next day or two. However, several models still predict TD 2 will become a tropical storm. The HWRF model predicts TD 2 will become a hurricane five days from now, but this seems unlikely given the dry air and relatively high wind shear affecting the storm.


Figure 1. Tropical Depression Two (left side of image) and tropical wave 90L (right side of image).

African tropical wave 90L
A strong tropical wave with a large circulation and plenty of heavy thunderstorm activity is a few hundred miles south of the Cape Verdes Islands, off the coast of Africa. NHC dubbed this disturbance 90L this morning. This morning's QuikSCAT pass shows that 90L has a very large circulation, and top winds of about 30 mph. Satellite imagery from the European METEOSAT satellite show that the heavy thunderstorms associated with 90L are in two major bands, to the north and to the south of the center. There is no heavy thunderstorm activity near the center yet, and this would have to happen before 90L can be named Tropical Depression Three. Water vapor imagery shows that since 90L is forming several hundred miles south of the dry air of the Saharan Air Layer (SAL), the storm should not be affected by dry air and dust as much as Tropical Depression Two has been. Wind shear is about 20 knots over 90L, and is forecast to remain in the moderate range, 10 - 20 knots, over the next five days. Sea Surface Temperatures are about 28°C, and will remain in the 27 - 28°C range the next five days, which are high enough above the 26°C threshold for tropical cyclone formation to allow some slow development to occur. The GFS and ECMWF models continue to predict the development of this wave, though they are now less aggressive about intensifying it than they were in earlier runs. The consensus among the reliable HWRF, GFDL, GFS, and ECMWF models is to bring 90L to point near or just north of the northernmost Lesser Antilles Islands 6 - 8 days from now. The storm could be at hurricane strength by then, as forecast by the SHIPS intensity model.

I'll have an update Friday morning.

Jeff Masters
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1452. canesrule1 9:08 PM GMT on August 13, 2009    
Just read the 5 o'clock advisory, and i see TD2 is now a remnant low, and they are not going to write anymore advisories, I agree with the NHC 100%, now all eyes on 90L.
1453. Hurricane4Lex 9:08 PM GMT on August 13, 2009    
Whats happening to 90Ls NE btw?

PS thanks Terra ^_^
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1454. cg2916 9:09 PM GMT on August 13, 2009    
Quoting philliesrock:
Wow, this thing is a beast:


It looks much better than it did a little while ago. AND it's DMIN. It's LLC is almost closed, just a little exposed to the west.
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1455. Tazmanian 9:09 PM GMT on August 13, 2009    
Quoting DM21Altestic:
Drak, will 90L recurve out to sea?



way too soon too tell best thing too do is wait see and watch
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1456. Saninmihar 9:09 PM GMT on August 13, 2009    
Quoting BenBIogger:


C



Would that be EDT or GMT? if EDT I'll take "What is 90L/TD3 by 5am" for the win, Alex.;)
1458. rxse7en 9:09 PM GMT on August 13, 2009    
Quoting Stormchaser2007:
Some of you are WAY too bullish with 90L....again. 90L needs to gain a significant amount of convection to be classified a TD. Its not going to do that in 12 hours...simple. Its going to take at least 24-36 hours to develop sustainable sufficient convection. Give it till 11am Saturday.
Concur. It just entered the Atlantic a relatively short time ago and it has a looong way to go.
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1459. Ameister12 9:10 PM GMT on August 13, 2009    
Poll Time!!!

Do you think ex-TD2 is going become a depression again?

A) Yes
B) No
C) Maybe

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1461. Chucktown 9:10 PM GMT on August 13, 2009    
Quoting philliesrock:
Wow, this thing is a beast:



It's a mess right now - gots a long way to go - convection needs to contract towards the center, it won't be this wide in a few days
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1462. IKE 9:10 PM GMT on August 13, 2009    
Quoting Stormchaser2007:


Wasnt referring to you IKE. Dont worry.


I know you weren't. I was just throwing in my opinion on it.

Amazing that it's almost August 14th and>>>0-0-0....still.

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1464. java162 9:10 PM GMT on August 13, 2009    
Quoting IKE:


I never answered the poll question.

I would have said this weekend.

Just doesn't look that good right now...


dude!!!! all thats missing is the convection which will muild during dmax. stop being so pecimestic and pretending that you don't want it to develop. it is huge and needs some time to get going. after that i think there will be some rapid intensification.
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1465. CandiBarr 9:10 PM GMT on August 13, 2009    
I saved this pic from early this morning......check out the smiley face....LOL

oh no'sss we have a joker system on our hands...
1467. canesrule1 9:11 PM GMT on August 13, 2009    
Quoting IKE:
as you can see there is a very thin layer of SAL because 02L cleaned up, and 90L has an anticyclone in front of it, so shear and SAL will not be a factor, so I expect very rapid intensification, i think it will be a CAT 3 by the time it reaches the northern Antilles, imo.
1468. Hurricane4Lex 9:11 PM GMT on August 13, 2009    
Quoting Ameister12:
Poll Time!!!

Do you think exTD2 is going become a depression again?

A) Yes
B) No
C) Maybe



Uh I'll go with c just to be on the safe side =D
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1470. PennGator 9:11 PM GMT on August 13, 2009    
Quoting TampaSpin:
I saved this pic from early this morning......check out the smiley face....LOL


wow, we had a''Grumpy old man'' & "Smiley face" generated by the same system already! What's next? I hate to make predictions!
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1471. KoritheMan 9:11 PM GMT on August 13, 2009    
Quoting TampaSpin:
I swear I did not have sex with that woman "Miss ANA"



LMFAO!!!!
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1472. cg2916 9:11 PM GMT on August 13, 2009    
Quoting Ameister12:
Poll Time!!!

Do you think exTD2 is going become a depression again?

A) Yes
B) No
C) Maybe


Probably not.
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1473. jaevortex 9:12 PM GMT on August 13, 2009    
Quoting Chicklit:

You'll drive yourself crazy with that.
Just pretend it isn't happening.
I'm a certified English teacher and blog.
You cannot have it 'your way' here.
Or should I say, "ur?"


Hey.. I've been here for a few years lurking.. and reading WS comments I've been wondering could he be dyslexic?

This season is off to a slow start, but by next week this blog will be going nuts with all the storms forming. 90L scares me but I'm still weary of TD2 as well as the wave near Cuba. I reckon it's a race to see which of these storms/waves will be "Ana"

-goes back to lurking-
1474. chevycanes 9:12 PM GMT on August 13, 2009    
Quoting cg2916:

It looks much better than it did a little while ago. AND it's DMIN. It's LLC is almost closed, just a little exposed to the west.

that quikscat was from early this morning.
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1475. Drakoen 9:12 PM GMT on August 13, 2009    
Quoting DM21Altestic:
Drak, will 90L recurve out to sea?


I don't know. It will come down to timing. The models handle the trough differently. ECMWF most aggressive. CMC least aggressive. GFS in between.
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1476. KoritheMan 9:12 PM GMT on August 13, 2009    
Quoting Ameister12:
Poll Time!!!

Do you think exTD2 is going become a depression again?

A) Yes
B) No
C) Maybe



Going with B. 200 mb flow doesn't look promising.
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1477. canesrule1 9:12 PM GMT on August 13, 2009    
Quoting cg2916:

It looks much better than it did a little while ago. AND it's DMIN. It's LLC is almost closed, just a little exposed to the west.
It' closed its just very elongated.
1480. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod) 9:13 PM GMT on August 13, 2009    
Quoting Tazmanian:



way too soon too tell best thing too do is wait see and watch
at the moment all we can say is its moving forward at a westly direction from its current location
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1481. canesrule1 9:13 PM GMT on August 13, 2009    
Quoting P451:


When it adds deep convection it will be. For now for as impressive as that image looks there's nothing there.

Yeah I agree, it looks great on Visible but on AVN it has no deep convection.
1482. IKE 9:14 PM GMT on August 13, 2009    
Quoting java162:


dude!!!! all thats missing is the convection which will muild during dmax. stop being so pecimestic and pretending that you don't want it to develop. it is huge and needs some time to get going. after that i think there will be some rapid intensification.


?

Pessimistic.

Pretending? I could care less if it develops.
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1483. slavp 9:14 PM GMT on August 13, 2009    
Quoting java162:


dude!!!! all thats missing is the convection which will muild during dmax. stop being so pecimestic and pretending that you don't want it to develop. it is huge and needs some time to get going. after that i think there will be some rapid intensification.
exactly, It will take time to develop..It won't develop overnight
1484. KoritheMan 9:14 PM GMT on August 13, 2009    
Quoting canesrule1:
It' closed its just very elongated.


I don't think there are enough northerly winds on the western side of the circulation to justify calling it closed. The circulation is quite broad at this point.
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1485. KimberlyB 9:14 PM GMT on August 13, 2009    
Quoting Ameister12:
Poll Time!!!

Do you think exTD2 is going become a depression again?

A) Yes
B) No
C) Maybe



C
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1486. kingzfan104 9:14 PM GMT on August 13, 2009    
1487. hurricanehanna 9:14 PM GMT on August 13, 2009    
I still say we need to keep a close eye on the Caribbean wave as it approaches the GOM - lots of moisture, low sheer and hot water to work with....
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1488. canesrule1 9:14 PM GMT on August 13, 2009    
Quoting Ameister12:
Poll Time!!!

Do you think ex-TD2 is going become a depression again?

A) Yes
B) No
C) Maybe

NO
1489. Tazmanian 9:15 PM GMT on August 13, 2009    
guys can we may be watch what we post in here the Admins will be baning we are in a active periods of hurricane season right now with 90L



so TampaSpin may want to re move that photo or he may end up being ban for 24hr that photo is not posting material not relevant to the discussion of tropical weather, or the topic of the blog entry itself.


am sure its find if we dont have any thing too talk about but its not find right now
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1490. Drakoen 9:15 PM GMT on August 13, 2009    
Let's hope this does not happen as the CFS forecast for the second half of September thru 1st of October. This be negative NAO.
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1493. java162 9:16 PM GMT on August 13, 2009    
Quoting IKE:


?

Pessimistic.

Pretending? I could care less if it develops.


well then this blog is not for you.
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1494. JRRP 9:16 PM GMT on August 13, 2009    
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1495. cg2916 9:17 PM GMT on August 13, 2009    
Quoting chevycanes:

that quikscat was from early this morning.

it was from 3:12 PM EST.
Quoting canesrule1:
It' closed its just very elongated.

Now that you mention it, it is. It does still need to tighten the circulation and build and organize convection.
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1496. TexasHurricane 9:17 PM GMT on August 13, 2009    
Quoting Drakoen:
Let's hope this does not happen as the CFS forecast for the second half of September thru 1st of October. This be negative NAO.


Why? What does it mean?
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1497. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod) 9:17 PM GMT on August 13, 2009    
Quoting jaevortex:


Hey.. I've been here for a few years lurking.. and reading WS comments I've been wondering could he be dyslexic?

This season is off to a slow start, but by next week this blog will be going nuts with all the storms forming. 90L scares me but I'm still weary of TD2 as well as the wave near Cuba. I reckon it's a race to see which of these storms/waves will be "Ana"

-goes back to lurking-


its the tropics ...and its august anything can happen anywhere anytime anyplace
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1498. IKE 9:17 PM GMT on August 13, 2009    
Quoting java162:


well then this blog is not for you.


After 21,000+ posts, I'll hang around.
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1499. wunderkidcayman 9:17 PM GMT on August 13, 2009    
Quoting Ameister12:
Poll Time!!!

Do you think ex-TD2 is going become a depression again?

A) Yes
B) No
C) Maybe


A)YES
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1500. Stoopid1 9:18 PM GMT on August 13, 2009    
90L looks to be organizing pretty well. I'd say Saturday on it being TD 3, seeing as it is a large system and will need time to fully organize and get proper convection at the center. As for ex-TD 2, I'd still monitor it, it still has a strong circulation with some pulsing convection, and could regenerate later. Some have said 50-55W, I'd have to agree that would be a good opportunity for it to happen if it does.
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1501. canesrule1 9:18 PM GMT on August 13, 2009    
Quoting DM21Altestic:
POLL: What kind of storm will 90L resemble most, as far as track and intensity?


A) Hurricane Bertha (2008)
B) Hurricane Georges (1998)
C) Hurricane Isabel (2003)
D) Hurricane Ivan (2004)
E) Hurricane Andrew (1992)
F) Hurricane Floyd (1999)
G) Hurricane Helene (2006)
H) Hurricane Allen (1978)
Z) 90L won't become a hurricane at all.

...Bold your choice...

E

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