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TD 2 nearly dead; African disturbance 90L gathering strength
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 2:38 PM GMT on August 13, 2009 +4
Tropical Depression Two is near death, but is still worth watching. The dry, Saharan air to the north and west of the depression, combined with moderately high levels of wind shear of 15 - 20 knots, have almost completely destroyed all of TD 2's heavy thunderstorms. Satellite loops of the storm show a well-formed circulation, but almost no heavy thunderstorm activity.

Wind shear over TD 2 is expected to remain in the modereate range, 10 - 20 knots, over the next five days. Sea Surface Temperatures (SSTs) are 27°C, but will warm to 28°C three days from now. There is plenty of dry, stable air from the Saharan Air Layer (SAL) to to TD 2's north and west that will continue to cause the storm problems. The relatively cool SSTs and dry air mean that TD 2 will not be able to intensify quickly, and some of the models indicate the TD 2 may get destroyed in the next day or two. However, several models still predict TD 2 will become a tropical storm. The HWRF model predicts TD 2 will become a hurricane five days from now, but this seems unlikely given the dry air and relatively high wind shear affecting the storm.


Figure 1. Tropical Depression Two (left side of image) and tropical wave 90L (right side of image).

African tropical wave 90L
A strong tropical wave with a large circulation and plenty of heavy thunderstorm activity is a few hundred miles south of the Cape Verdes Islands, off the coast of Africa. NHC dubbed this disturbance 90L this morning. This morning's QuikSCAT pass shows that 90L has a very large circulation, and top winds of about 30 mph. Satellite imagery from the European METEOSAT satellite show that the heavy thunderstorms associated with 90L are in two major bands, to the north and to the south of the center. There is no heavy thunderstorm activity near the center yet, and this would have to happen before 90L can be named Tropical Depression Three. Water vapor imagery shows that since 90L is forming several hundred miles south of the dry air of the Saharan Air Layer (SAL), the storm should not be affected by dry air and dust as much as Tropical Depression Two has been. Wind shear is about 20 knots over 90L, and is forecast to remain in the moderate range, 10 - 20 knots, over the next five days. Sea Surface Temperatures are about 28°C, and will remain in the 27 - 28°C range the next five days, which are high enough above the 26°C threshold for tropical cyclone formation to allow some slow development to occur. The GFS and ECMWF models continue to predict the development of this wave, though they are now less aggressive about intensifying it than they were in earlier runs. The consensus among the reliable HWRF, GFDL, GFS, and ECMWF models is to bring 90L to point near or just north of the northernmost Lesser Antilles Islands 6 - 8 days from now. The storm could be at hurricane strength by then, as forecast by the SHIPS intensity model.

I'll have an update Friday morning.

Jeff Masters
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2351. atmoaggie 2:07 AM GMT on August 14, 2009    
Quoting PSLHokie:


Holy crap...this is a weather blog, not a guess random events blog.... do you want us to predict the storm surge for the 3rd named storm this year too? Maybe we can "forcast" the tracks for the 2011 storm season.

Any more ridiculus polls?

How about using some real science for prediction? I tune in here to get a better understanding about how different weather patterns interact with tropical systems. I dont come here to create gossip and "fun" guessing games about things that can't possibly be predicted....

uggg....

Lay off it. I don't really like the polls either, but there is nothing else to do but wait for the model runs and look at the past week of synoptics. Not much else to do at the moment. And, no, watching the wave go through d-min isn't worth watching constantly, either.
This isn't nado predicting when the wall cloud is already up, this is TCs when there isn't anything there but a wave 3k+ miles from any land in front of it.
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2352. kingzfan104 2:07 AM GMT on August 14, 2009    
2353. Hhunter 2:07 AM GMT on August 14, 2009    
i think this is a big problem for central gulf states maybe uppper mid texas...it will be a freaking typical gulf monster as of late...
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2354. KATRINABILOXIGIRL 2:07 AM GMT on August 14, 2009    
Quoting atmoaggie:

I could tell you two were related. Yer handles look a lot alike.
He's taken good care of me and so many others through many a storm. Knows what he's talking about
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2356. DVG 2:08 AM GMT on August 14, 2009    
If I remember correctly, it was the CMC predicting something Haiti Cuba area. Look at the water vapor tonight. Bastadi's video today also mentioned the wave leaning as an indication something was afoot. He didn't say one would, just something to watch.
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2357. weatherblog 2:08 AM GMT on August 14, 2009    
Quoting FLHurricaneChaser:
Folks this is not going to be a Gulf storm. Lesser Antilles, Florida, and East Coast need to be watching this.


Yup.
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2358. Chiggy007 2:08 AM GMT on August 14, 2009    
Some people on here make me LAUGH - probably didn't even complete high school..
Anyway, all the panic about where 90L (for God's sake it's not even a depression yet) will eventually hitreally ticks me off..
2359. duprk452 2:08 AM GMT on August 14, 2009    
Quoting CaicosRetiredSailor:


...not from the DR, but from Turks & Caicos
We have had a wonderful afternoon... full overcast, so I got yard work done, being kept cool by the breeze.

Incredible & beautiful deep blood red sunset, and not a drop of rain yet. The barometer has been rock steady all day at about 1018, some gusts up to 30 mph this eve but still from the SE as usual.

CRS


Caicos Retired Sailor.. i've always wanted to visit the turks and caicos when is the best time of year to visit?
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2360. KATRINABILOXIGIRL 2:09 AM GMT on August 14, 2009    
Quoting DM21Altestic:
so, Biloxi and Katrina are married?
no big bro and little sis
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2361. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod) 2:09 AM GMT on August 14, 2009    
Quoting JLPR:


yep I am watching this one very closely since the GFS has been persistent in passing it close to my north, south or over me =S

But if the GFS is correct we should have TD3 soon
with everything isee and all info i have read sat imagest and other sources i am thinking 48 hrs from now which will be approaching 11 pm sat night for first advs. on td 03l
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2362. kingzfan104 2:10 AM GMT on August 14, 2009    
2363. BILOXISAINT2 2:10 AM GMT on August 14, 2009    
And where did you guesstimation come from?
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2364. Chiggy007 2:10 AM GMT on August 14, 2009    
WEATHERBLOG: Stop talking on absolutes! None of us know where 90L is going and you don't know sqaut mate
2367. HaboobsRsweet 2:11 AM GMT on August 14, 2009    
Quoting Chiggy007:
Some people on here make me LAUGH - probably didn't even complete high school..
Anyway, all the panic about where 90L (for God's sake it's not even a depression yet) will eventually hitreally ticks me off..

Maybe you are the one still in high school. I got a lot of weather experience and there is nothing wrong with trying to do a long range forecast...if you are wrong you are wrong but you can learn from it. How do you think we will ever get better or develop the capabilities to make long range forecasts? You stick your neck out, make a call and see what does and doesnt pan out. Chill out.
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2368. BiloxiIsle 2:12 AM GMT on August 14, 2009    
Right now, no one know where 90L is going. It is all a guessing game based on the latest models. To claim absolute, show ignorance of weather. I been through enough storms to know that 2 weeks out, the models, troughs, ect. can and will change.
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2369. atmoaggie 2:12 AM GMT on August 14, 2009    
Quoting DM21Altestic:
so, Biloxi and Katrina are married?

After seeing next post...my own post needed to go.
Wasn't that bad, mind you, just not tasteful in the context of the next post by DM...
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2370. weatherblog 2:12 AM GMT on August 14, 2009    
Quoting Chiggy007:
WEATHERBLOG: Stop talking on absolutes! None of us know where 90L is going and you don't know sqaut mate


I'm stating an opinion. If you don't like that then you're in the wrong place.
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2372. BILOXISAINT2 2:13 AM GMT on August 14, 2009    
I hit the quote button. evedently i did not take. but yes i am talking to you.
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2373. Hhunter 2:14 AM GMT on August 14, 2009    
Quoting PSLHokie:


Holy crap...this is a weather blog, not a guess random events blog.... do you want us to predict the storm surge for the 3rd named storm this year too? Maybe we can "forcast" the tracks for the 2011 storm season.

Any more ridiculus polls?

How about using some real science for prediction? I tune in here to get a better understanding about how different weather patterns interact with tropical systems. I dont come here to create gossip and "fun" guessing games about things that can't possibly be predicted....

uggg....


A) PSLhokie is an idiot
b) PSLhokie is just not a patient person
c) PSLhokie needs some lythium
d) PSLhokie wants us to all think he knows his stuff in is thus better than all of us mere mortals.

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2374. BILOXISAINT2 2:14 AM GMT on August 14, 2009    
Quoting weatherblog:


I'm stating an opinion. If you don't like that then you're in the wrong place.
As i said earlier. this person is clueless
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2376. Chiggy007 2:14 AM GMT on August 14, 2009    
HAHA, is that what taught you in weather school - stick your neck out and forecast the weather!
I am all for educated guesses and you have to agree with me that lot of people on here are not that educated when it comes to metereology - they've probably learned a few things from watching the TWC...!
IF you have formally studied weather than obviously this wasn't targeted to you...so YOU CHILL mate lol... PEACE!
2377. CaicosRetiredSailor 2:15 AM GMT on August 14, 2009    
Quoting duprk452:


Caicos Retired Sailor.. i've always wanted to visit the turks and caicos when is the best time of year to visit?


Only recommendation I would have is to avoid July, August, & September.

CRS
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2378. AllBoardedUp 2:15 AM GMT on August 14, 2009    
Quoting Chiggy007:
Some people on here make me LAUGH - probably didn't even complete high school..
Anyway, all the panic about where 90L (for God's sake it's not even a depression yet) will eventually hitreally ticks me off..
Hey, I made it to second semester of my 8th grade year, buddy, so lay off. Besides, high school is overrated!
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2379. presslord 2:15 AM GMT on August 14, 2009    
Quoting Hhunter:


A) PSLhokie is an idiot
b) PSLhokie is just not a patient person
c) PSLhokie needs some lythium
d) PSLhokie wants us to all think he knows his stuff in is thus better than all of us mere mortals.



all of the above
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2380. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod) 2:15 AM GMT on August 14, 2009    
Quoting duprk452:


Caicos Retired Sailor.. i've always wanted to visit the turks and caicos when is the best time of year to visit?
anytime after nov 30 is good

lol
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2381. louisianaboy444 2:15 AM GMT on August 14, 2009    
90l is going to have a good DMAX with all that divergence and outflow the convection will help it tighten up and help it get going...The models seem to think that the bermuda high eventually wins out as many of them turn the storm west at the end of their runs
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2382. HaboobsRsweet 2:16 AM GMT on August 14, 2009    
PSLhokie...read a book or take some classes. You might learn a little on here but there are too many non-mets to take what you read on here seriously. Maybe you know which ones are and arent and can have converstations with them.
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2383. zoomiami 2:16 AM GMT on August 14, 2009    
I have fallen into the blog of banned, cloned, related, definitely trolls, and who know what other characters, and I'm all by myself here...
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2384. PortABeachBum 2:16 AM GMT on August 14, 2009    
Quoting PSLHokie:


... things that can't possibly be predicted....

uggg....

Where do you go to find those things?
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2385. atmoaggie 2:16 AM GMT on August 14, 2009    
Quoting weatherblog:


Are you talking to me? There's such a thing called the quote button.

That requires some scripting. Some folks might have it turned off intentionally...or visiting from a smart phone with scripts disabled.
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2387. BILOXISAINT2 2:17 AM GMT on August 14, 2009    
2376. Chiggy007 9:14 PM CDT on August 13, 2009
HAHA, is that what taught you
Well said
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2388. JLPR 2:17 AM GMT on August 14, 2009    
Quoting KEEPEROFTHEGATE:
with everything isee and all info i have read sat imagest and other sources i am thinking 48 hrs from now which will be approaching 11 pm sat night for first advs. on td 03l


yeah that sounds right
big system needs time to develop
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2389. weatherblog 2:17 AM GMT on August 14, 2009    
Quoting DM21Altestic:
LOL, 90L won't even sight the East Coast.

I'm starting to believe that this storm will take a dive into the Caribbean, allah Dean.


I don't. Dean was much farther south. Plus, there was a huge high in 2007 that forced all storms due west into the Caribbean; it's basically the oppisite this year.
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2390. HurricaneLovr75 2:17 AM GMT on August 14, 2009    
Quoting CaicosRetiredSailor:


Only recommendation I would have is to avoid July, August, & September.

CRS


LOL
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2391. Chiggy007 2:17 AM GMT on August 14, 2009    
Lot of the 00Z models have moved south and none show recurve!
00Z GFS Ensemble runs look very different than 6 hours ago; which goes to show that even the models don't know squat!!
2392. TampaSpin 2:18 AM GMT on August 14, 2009    
Looks like TD2 or the Low which ever one want to refer to it is heading into the Caribbean.....
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2393. presslord 2:18 AM GMT on August 14, 2009    
zoo...be not afraid...you are not alone...
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2394. HaboobsRsweet 2:18 AM GMT on August 14, 2009    
Quoting Chiggy007:
HAHA, is that what taught you in weather school - stick your neck out and forecast the weather!
I am all for educated guesses and you have to agree with me that lot of people on here are not that educated when it comes to metereology - they've probably learned a few things from watching the TWC...!
IF you have formally studied weather than obviously this wasn't targeted to you...so YOU CHILL mate lol... PEACE!

Whatever dude...think what you want. People know what I do and where I went to school. I do 2 week forecasts all the time and have to say 100% or 0% that something is going to happen. If you make a forecast right now...pick a spot using sound reasoning on where 90L is going to hit, track it and see what factors caused you to be right or wrong, you might actually learn something and get better at it.
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2396. atmoaggie 2:18 AM GMT on August 14, 2009    
Quoting zoomiami:
I have fallen into the blog of banned, cloned, related, definitely trolls, and who know what other characters, and I'm all by myself here...

All I see are the mis-fit toys...think toy story next door neighbor.
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2397. Tazmanian 2:19 AM GMT on August 14, 2009    
guys we are all start too get off key here what get back on key and move on too 90L
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2398. iluvjess 2:19 AM GMT on August 14, 2009    
Havn't seen that much concurance in the ensembles in some time. Kinda spooky.
2399. wunderkidcayman 2:19 AM GMT on August 14, 2009    
Quoting TampaSpin:
Looks like TD2 or the Low which ever one want to refer to it is heading into the Caribbean.....

that is what I said
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2400. CaicosRetiredSailor 2:19 AM GMT on August 14, 2009    
No more convection in my neighborhood:

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2401. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod) 2:21 AM GMT on August 14, 2009    
Quoting zoomiami:
I have fallen into the blog of banned, cloned, related, definitely trolls, and who know what other characters, and I'm all by myself here...
iam here your never alone zoo
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