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TD 2 nearly dead; African disturbance 90L gathering strength
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 2:38 PM GMT on August 13, 2009 +4
Tropical Depression Two is near death, but is still worth watching. The dry, Saharan air to the north and west of the depression, combined with moderately high levels of wind shear of 15 - 20 knots, have almost completely destroyed all of TD 2's heavy thunderstorms. Satellite loops of the storm show a well-formed circulation, but almost no heavy thunderstorm activity.

Wind shear over TD 2 is expected to remain in the modereate range, 10 - 20 knots, over the next five days. Sea Surface Temperatures (SSTs) are 27°C, but will warm to 28°C three days from now. There is plenty of dry, stable air from the Saharan Air Layer (SAL) to to TD 2's north and west that will continue to cause the storm problems. The relatively cool SSTs and dry air mean that TD 2 will not be able to intensify quickly, and some of the models indicate the TD 2 may get destroyed in the next day or two. However, several models still predict TD 2 will become a tropical storm. The HWRF model predicts TD 2 will become a hurricane five days from now, but this seems unlikely given the dry air and relatively high wind shear affecting the storm.


Figure 1. Tropical Depression Two (left side of image) and tropical wave 90L (right side of image).

African tropical wave 90L
A strong tropical wave with a large circulation and plenty of heavy thunderstorm activity is a few hundred miles south of the Cape Verdes Islands, off the coast of Africa. NHC dubbed this disturbance 90L this morning. This morning's QuikSCAT pass shows that 90L has a very large circulation, and top winds of about 30 mph. Satellite imagery from the European METEOSAT satellite show that the heavy thunderstorms associated with 90L are in two major bands, to the north and to the south of the center. There is no heavy thunderstorm activity near the center yet, and this would have to happen before 90L can be named Tropical Depression Three. Water vapor imagery shows that since 90L is forming several hundred miles south of the dry air of the Saharan Air Layer (SAL), the storm should not be affected by dry air and dust as much as Tropical Depression Two has been. Wind shear is about 20 knots over 90L, and is forecast to remain in the moderate range, 10 - 20 knots, over the next five days. Sea Surface Temperatures are about 28°C, and will remain in the 27 - 28°C range the next five days, which are high enough above the 26°C threshold for tropical cyclone formation to allow some slow development to occur. The GFS and ECMWF models continue to predict the development of this wave, though they are now less aggressive about intensifying it than they were in earlier runs. The consensus among the reliable HWRF, GFDL, GFS, and ECMWF models is to bring 90L to point near or just north of the northernmost Lesser Antilles Islands 6 - 8 days from now. The storm could be at hurricane strength by then, as forecast by the SHIPS intensity model.

I'll have an update Friday morning.

Jeff Masters
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3301. jipmg 12:09 PM GMT on August 14, 2009    
looks like 90L is getting a bit of shear on it..
3303. BajaALemt 12:11 PM GMT on August 14, 2009    
Mornin' folks....

Here's a link to latest AFD's for San Juan...Link

Mornin' Ike...LOL, you're the only other person I see that's as avid an AFD reader as I am :P :P
3304. Seflhurricane 12:10 PM GMT on August 14, 2009    
my guess based on all i have seen we may have TD 3 either by 11Am or most likely by 5Pm
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3305. Stormchaser2007 12:11 PM GMT on August 14, 2009    
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3306. depalma13 12:11 PM GMT on August 14, 2009    
Quoting jipmg:


Yes, chances are a category 2 hurricane with a 400 mile wind field would cause much more damage to a larger area in comparison to a category 4 hurricane with a wind field of about 100 miles


What? Of course a larger hurricane will cause damage to a larger area, but a Cat 4 will cause far more devestation than a large Cat 2 even if it is over a smaller area.
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3307. CaicosRetiredSailor 12:11 PM GMT on August 14, 2009    
One year ago today a tropical wave over the Dominican Republic was getting organized. On Aug 15th 2008 it was named Fay.
CRS
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3308. Seflhurricane 12:12 PM GMT on August 14, 2009    
Quoting Stormchaser2007:
great visible stormchaser
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3309. freeroam 12:12 PM GMT on August 14, 2009    
Hey West nice to c ya here. I have been lurking...of course I begin to see models in agreement this far out? Take care.
Quoting WetBankGuy:


If New Orleans gets a windstorm, it may resolve some of our lingering problems with abandoned post-K/flood houses.
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3310. CaneWarning 12:13 PM GMT on August 14, 2009    
One of the local mets said this morning that if he had to guess where 90L would eventually go he said he would look at the Floyd track. He thinks it will get close to the east coast of Florida, turn and head up into Carolina.
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3311. BajaALemt 12:13 PM GMT on August 14, 2009    
Here's another one you might be interested in, Ike....if you don't already use it.

SE WRF Link
3312. mikatnight 12:14 PM GMT on August 14, 2009    
Quoting depalma13:


What? Of course a larger hurricane will cause damage to a larger area, but a Cat 4 will cause far more devestation than a large Cat 2 even if it is over a smaller area.


From the NHC:

"A Category 4 hurricane would have winds between 131 and 155 mph and, on the average, would usually be expected to cause 100 times the damage of the Category 1 storm."
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3313. palmpt 12:15 PM GMT on August 14, 2009    
Quoting CaneWarning:
One of the local mets said this morning that if he had to guess where 90L would eventually go he said he would look at the Floyd track. He thinks it will get close to the east coast of Florida, turn and head up into Carolina.


Probably not going to turn until it hits the Gulf...
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3314. IKE 12:15 PM GMT on August 14, 2009    
Quoting BajaALemt:
Mornin' folks....

Here's a link to latest AFD's for San Juan...Link

Mornin' Ike...LOL, you're the only other person I see that's as avid an AFD reader as I am :P :P


Good morning...don't see much mention from any weather office out to Amarillo....Chicago...about a strong trough the end of next week.
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3315. canesrule1 12:15 PM GMT on August 14, 2009    
Quoting Stormchaser2007:
Good morning everyone, looking at that satellite it does look like 90L has shrunken overnight but has become much more organized, for right now track wise i am assuming that 90L will affect the upper Antilles but after that it's kind of cloudy track wise, models are hinting a Major Hurricane by the time it reaches the northern Antilles.
3316. MahFL 12:16 PM GMT on August 14, 2009    
ex TD2 now has very cold cloud tops, white on the Hurricane Sat.

Enhanced IR
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3318. homelesswanderer 12:17 PM GMT on August 14, 2009    
Quoting depalma13:


What? Of course a larger hurricane will cause damage to a larger area, but a Cat 4 will cause far more devestation than a large Cat 2 even if it is over a smaller area.


I don't know about that. Ike caused an insane amount of damage for a cat 2. Because he was so big and pushing so much water. He had cat 4 storm surge or higher. Now the winds may be a different story or may be not. We took a direct hit from a cat 3 that took out 50% of the tree canopy. Yes the wind damage was a lot worse. However Ike was a hundred miles away and he brought down a healthy 20% more.
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3319. tornadofan 12:17 PM GMT on August 14, 2009    
Looking at some of these motion shots, 90L looks like she's experiencing some dry air problems in the northeast quadrant. This should keep it from rapid strengthening and being weaker, on a more southern path.
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3320. canesrule1 12:17 PM GMT on August 14, 2009    
Quoting palmpt:


Probably not going to turn until it hits the Gulf...
That's what I think but only a few models are hinting it into the Gulf.
3321. IKE 12:17 PM GMT on August 14, 2009    
Quoting BajaALemt:
Here's another one you might be interested in, Ike....if you don't already use it.

SE WRF Link


More rains...lol...don't need any.
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3322. BajaALemt 12:18 PM GMT on August 14, 2009    
I've been looking for mentions of it too, Ike. Not seeing anything either *shrugs*
3323. Stormchaser2007 12:18 PM GMT on August 14, 2009    
Close to the edge.
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3324. IKE 12:18 PM GMT on August 14, 2009    
Quoting P451:


6z nogaps



Thanks...I didn't know how to do that.
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3325. MahFL 12:18 PM GMT on August 14, 2009    
Closer view.

ex TD2
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3326. kanc2001 12:19 PM GMT on August 14, 2009    
Quoting nrtiwlnvragn:
The gfs ensemble members from the 00Z run indicate 90L may have some recurvature. Long way out on the ensembles (they run out to 384 hours).




hmmmm brings back memories of David in 79 (red track) Floyd in 99 (ensemble members to the right)
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3327. seflagamma 12:19 PM GMT on August 14, 2009    
Good morning Dr Masters
and the "main blog bunch" LOL

Been lurking here a little over the past week; not really posting.

It appears I will be lurking a
lot more in the next week or so.

Sure hope those storms do turn out to be fish storms
and do not threaten any of us along the coast.

Keep the info coming,
it is much appreciated!

Happy Friday,
Gams
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3328. canesrule1 12:19 PM GMT on August 14, 2009    
Quoting tornadofan:
Looking at some of these motion shots, 90L looks like she's experiencing some dry air problems in the northeast quadrant. This should keep it from rapid strengthening and being weaker, on a more southern path.
Yes, but it has an anticyclone placed over it so shear shouldn't be a problem, but i agree with the souther path, is you mean it as in impacting the northern Antilles.
3329. IKE 12:19 PM GMT on August 14, 2009    
Quoting BajaALemt:
I've been looking for mentions of it too, Ike. Not seeing anything either *shrugs*


I don't see this one turning out-to-sea for at least 7-8 days.

Maybe I'll be wrong and the ECMWF is correct.
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3330. weatherfan92 12:20 PM GMT on August 14, 2009    
Convection has really tightened on 90L overnight. I think T.D. by 5pm today.
3331. jipmg 12:20 PM GMT on August 14, 2009    
Quoting homelesswanderer:


I don't know about that. Ike caused an insane amount of damage for a cat 2. Because he was so big and pushing so much water. He had cat 4 storm surge or higher. Now the winds may be a different story or may be not. We took a direct hit from a cat 3 that took out 50% of the tree canopy. Yes the wind damage was a lot worse. However Ike was a hundred miles away and he brought down a healthy 20% more.


exactly, a larger storm would be a very dangerous one, could you imagine the amount of damage Andrew would have caused had it been the size of Katrina if it hit SFLA? We'd get tropical storm force gusts all the way up through central florida.
3332. scott1968 12:20 PM GMT on August 14, 2009    
Quoting Funkadelic:
I think hurricane David from 1979 is the best storm to compare this one to. The track that David had could definetely happen to 90L.





Link


Do me a favor and look back at Hurricane Georges. I seem to remember that storm starting out as a very big wave in the same area. Curious to see if the current computer models are anything close to it's old track.
Thanks, at work.
3333. BajaALemt 12:21 PM GMT on August 14, 2009    
GOES-12 Maneuvers/KOZ for today...

Link
3334. CaicosRetiredSailor 12:21 PM GMT on August 14, 2009    
August 14

0 - 0 - 0

continues...
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3335. cg2916 12:21 PM GMT on August 14, 2009    
Quoting Stormchaser2007:
Close to the edge.

Still exposed to the west.
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3336. jipmg 12:22 PM GMT on August 14, 2009    
Also I would monitor ex TD 2.. the shear that was holding it back from regenerating yesterday isn't there today.. and the convection is really firing up
3337. victoria780 12:22 PM GMT on August 14, 2009    
Quoting homelesswanderer:


Do you have a link to that? Mine shows New Orleans. Thanks.
You could be right ,I was in a hurry.However this model for a long time showed it going up the east coast..Much further west now..
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3338. HurricaneKyle 12:23 PM GMT on August 14, 2009    
Quoting Stormchaser2007:
Close to the edge.


Like Dean '07. That anti-cyclone will help some.
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3339. rainraingoaway 12:23 PM GMT on August 14, 2009    
Morning all.
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3340. CaneWarning 12:24 PM GMT on August 14, 2009    
The scary part for Florida is that if it follows the models it could miss all the big islands that would weaken it potentially bringing it into Florida or Carolina a lot stronger than it would be if it went over PR or DR. Most of the models are making me think it could go just north of all the islands.
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3341. largeeyes 12:24 PM GMT on August 14, 2009    
Looks like 90L's circulation is even more elongated than it was yesterday.
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3343. Cotillion 12:25 PM GMT on August 14, 2009    
Can't get excited over TD2 until it fires thunderstorms over its centre. It does have a good structure, sure.

I'm somewhat surprised they kept it at orange.

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3344. palmpt 12:28 PM GMT on August 14, 2009    
Crown Weather had good reasoning on the Gulf possibility this morning... I'm not one of the Gulf freak-out folks, but I am in a position that causing me to be very focused on the possibilities. We have said this a 1,000 times on this blog, if a Cat 3 gets into the gulf this year heading North... it will be a very bad outcome. Oil prices and, here is the one that does not get enough attention, insurance affordability and availability become even bigger issues. And as always, there is too much national clutter right now to solve that one. Insurance companies literally control every aspect of that discussion. Want to put the economy on steroids, especially near coastal areas where 50% of the population lives: solve that problem. Anyway, let's hope nothing gets in the Gulf... or hits any other U.S. coastline for that matter.
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3345. Skyepony (Mod) 12:31 PM GMT on August 14, 2009    
West wind on the east end of cuba, just popped up south of that blob. Nowcoast
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3346. charliesurvivor 12:29 PM GMT on August 14, 2009    
90l will pound puerto rico with southern edge of storm
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3347. palmpt 12:30 PM GMT on August 14, 2009    
The o-o-o is not for long...
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3348. bajelayman2 12:30 PM GMT on August 14, 2009    
Quoting jipmg:


exactly, a larger storm would be a very dangerous one, could you imagine the amount of damage Andrew would have caused had it been the size of Katrina if it hit SFLA? We'd get tropical storm force gusts all the way up through central florida.


Thanks guys, good info. I agree that the size and movement speed is important.

I am surpirsed at the ratio given by NHC...100 times?

Maybe, Dr.Masters could be requested to explain this a bit further at some point?

Dr.Masters, would you mind doing an article on this sometime, unless you already have and post the link?

Thank you.
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3349. homelesswanderer 12:30 PM GMT on August 14, 2009    
Quoting victoria780:
You could be right ,I was in a hurry.However this model for a long time showed it going up the east coast..Much further west now..


No problem. :) I noticed that too. "TX/LA"
makes me sit up and take notice. Lol. Better than an alarm clock. We're a little jumpy round here. But I agree. I would feel a lot better for everyone if all the models kept taking it out to sea. I'm not quite at the nail biting stage. But I'll probably need to borrow someone elses by next week. Lol
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3351. BajaALemt 12:32 PM GMT on August 14, 2009    
Looking at the vorticity for 90L, seems to be pretty even between 850/700mb. At 500mb, vorticity seems to be lining up pretty well with the western edge of the 850/700.....*shrugs again*

Also of note, ex-TD2 still has good vorticity and remains stacked 850-500mb. With better conditions to the west, I'm not so sure that I'm ready to call it dead in terms of a little redevelopment.

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