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Hurricane Ida hits Nicaragua
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 3:31 PM GMT on November 05, 2009 +1
Hurricane Ida intensified at one of the fastest rates on record, and plowed ashore this morning in central Nicaragua as a Category 1 hurricane with 75 mph winds. It took just 24 hours from when the first advisory was issued for Tropical Depression Eleven until Ida reached hurricane strength. Since reliable satellite measurements began in 1970, Hurricane Humberto holds the record for fastest intensification from first advisory issued to hurricane strength--18 hours. (Actually, Humberto did the feat in 14 1/4 hours, but this was rounded off to 18 hours in the final data base, which stores points every six hours). There have been six storms that accomplished the feat in 24 hours--Hurricane Florence of 2000, Hurricane Erin of 1995, Hurricane Bonnie of 1992, Hurricane Earl of 1986, Hurricane Kate of 1985, and Hurricane Kendra of 1978. Ida now joins that short list of rapidly intensifying storms.

Ida will dump very heavy rains of 10 - 15 inches over northern Nicaragua and northeastern Honduras over the next two days, which will likely make it the deadliest storm of the 2009 hurricane season. However, Ida is a relatively small storm, and has not tapped the Pacific Ocean as a source of moisture. I think the NHC forecast of 15 - 20 inches of rain is overdone. The greatest rainfall disasters in Honduras history--caused by Hurricane Fifi of 1974 and Hurricane Mitch of 1998--were caused because these were large storms that were able to pull in moisture from both the Atlantic and Pacific. Ida will not approach these disasters in magnitude.


Figure 1. Microwave "weather radar in space" image of Ida at landfall this morning, at 6:17 am EST. Image credit Navy Research Lab, Monterey.

The forecast for Ida
Ida will likely spend a full two days over Nicaragua and Honduras, and there is a chance that Ida will dissipate. The HWRF and ECMWF don't show much surviving of Ida after crossing into the Western Caribbean. However, the other models like Ida's chances of surviving, and it is the case that the storm's core will be tracking over relatively low elevation land (Figure 2), increasing the chances that Ida can survive the crossing intact. If Ida survives the crossing and emerges into the Western Caribbean on Saturday, moderate wind shear of 15 - 20 knots and warm waters await it, and some modest strengthening is likely. A trough of low pressure in the Gulf of Mexico this weekend should be able to propel Ida northwards into the Gulf of Mexico. The long-term fate of Ida if it reaches the Gulf of Mexico is hard to guess at this point, though the odds are against Ida hitting the U.S. as a hurricane, due to high wind shear.


Figure 2. Projected track from the 10am EST NHC advisory from Thursday, 11/05/09, overlaid on a topographical map of Central America. Image credit: Wikipedia.

Looking at the past to predict the future
Perhaps the best way to estimate the chances of Ida surviving the crossing of Nicaragua and Honduras is to look at past storms that have followed similar tracks, to see if they dissipated or not. History favors Ida surviving the crossing. The two best analogue storms occurred in 1906 and 1908. Hurricane Eight of October 10, 1906, hit Nicaragua as a Category 3 hurricane, spent two days over land, weakening to a tropical storm, then emerged into the Western Caribbean and re-intensified into a Category 3 hurricane that hit Cuba and South Florida. On the other hand, Hurricane Nine of October 18, 1908, which hit Nicaragua as a Category 2 hurricane, dissipated after spending 1.5 days over land. Three other weaker systems have followed paths similar to Ida's, and all survived the crossing and re-intensified once over the Western Caribbean. Tropical Storm Gert of 1993 hit as a 40 mph tropical storm, spent two days over land, and survived to re-intensify to a tropical storm before hitting the Yucatan Peninsula. Hurricane Alma of June 1996 hit Nicaragua as a tropical depression, spent two days over land, and survived. Alma later intensified into a major Category 3 hurricane in the Gulf of Mexico. Tropical Storm Six of 1940 hit Nicaragua as a 45 mph tropical storm, spent 1.5 days over land, and survived the crossing. So, of the five storms to follow a path similar to Ida's projected path, four survived to re-intensify over the Western Caribbean.

I'll have an update Friday morning.

Jeff Masters
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501. Floodman 7:50 PM GMT on November 05, 2009    
Quoting Jeff9641:


I know I was saying that this morning and a few people on this BLOG thought that scenario was crazy. Never doubt the GFDL this model must have been picking up on something.


Generally, though, it's not when one model picks something up but when you start to see consensus across a number of them...all of the models have had noteable failures; there are no exceptions...
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502. BurnedAfterPosting 7:50 PM GMT on November 05, 2009    
Chances of Ida maintaining structure is still very high

I don't expect this to wind down that quickly
504. Floodman 7:52 PM GMT on November 05, 2009    
Quoting markymark1973:
The good news is if it goes into the GOM wind shear should keep it in check and the US will most likely get a TS out of this instead of a minimal to strong cane. I can see the GFDL forecast panning out but the intensity is so wrong. It's obviously not wanting to see the wind shear ahead of it. I think Ida has seen her best conditions here on out.


Don't make the mistake of pinning all of your hopes on a shear forecast for 5+ days out...patience; another 24-48 hours will clarify a lot of things
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505. Seastep 7:52 PM GMT on November 05, 2009    
Eye:

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507. CaicosRetiredSailor 7:54 PM GMT on November 05, 2009    
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508. StormChaser81 7:55 PM GMT on November 05, 2009    
Quoting markymark1973:
The good news is if it goes into the GOM wind shear should keep it in check and the US will most likely get a TS out of this instead of a minimal to strong cane. I can see the GFDL forecast panning out but the intensity is so wrong. It's obviously not wanting to see the wind shear ahead of it. I think Ida has seen her best conditions here on out.


They only problem with this solution is there is suppose to be a gap or hole in shear over the gom when ida is suppose to enter. There could also be a problem if ida gets caught by a front. im pretty sure the shear wouldnt be as bad, because the storm would be traveling with the shear or in the direction of the shear.
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509. Keys99 7:55 PM GMT on November 05, 2009    
Quoting InTheCone:
RAMSDIS 1km Floater...

Link


Is the center opening up or is that just an effect from the light
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510. ConchHondros 7:55 PM GMT on November 05, 2009    
Ok I know I am not the sharpest knife in the drawer...but I aint no spoon...I know, I know this deadly shear has been predicted...I dont see it, the Navy doesnt see it, GFDL doesnt see it...so that begs my spoon question, do models like the GFDL and I know the Navy does, but do they account for warm currents, loop currents...anticyclone...anyone??
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511. IKE 7:55 PM GMT on November 05, 2009    
Quoting Seastep:
Eye:



That pretty well confirms it's inland.
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512. stormpetrol 7:56 PM GMT on November 05, 2009    
Quoting Seastep:
Eye:


I don't think so even though it looks like it, the coc imo is around 13.3N/83.5W, thats just my opinion though.
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514. StormChaser81 7:59 PM GMT on November 05, 2009    
Quoting Keys99:


Is the center opening up or is that just an effect from the light


Looks like its a lack of moisture, with no warm water underneath for fuel, it will have a hard time staying totally together, classic look for a starving storm. You would think it could be dry air, but there isnt any dry air in the area, very moist atmosphere.

Water Vapor
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516. portcharlotte 7:59 PM GMT on November 05, 2009    
Am I correct regarding the center location?

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517. SouthALWX 8:00 PM GMT on November 05, 2009    
thats not the eye ... I dont think anyway .. thats a dry slot just SW of the COC possibly the very west side of the COC
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518. xcool 8:00 PM GMT on November 05, 2009    
UW - CIMSS
ADVANCED DVORAK TECHNIQUE
ADT-Version 7.2.3
Tropical Cyclone Intensity Algorithm

----- Current Analysis -----
Date : 05 NOV 2009 Time : 184500 UTC
Lat : 13:19:35 N Lon : 83:49:29
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519. SouthALWX 8:00 PM GMT on November 05, 2009    
Quoting portcharlotte:
Am I correct regarding the center location?


imo? yes.
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520. stormpetrol 8:01 PM GMT on November 05, 2009    
Quoting portcharlotte:
Am I correct regarding the center location?



Exactly my thoughts also.
Quoting stormpetrol:

I don't think so even though it looks like it, the coc imo is around 13.3N/83.5W, thats just my opinion though.
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521. Floodman 8:01 PM GMT on November 05, 2009    
The wind shear forecast for 120 hours out (5 days) for the GOM and NWCarib:



See the niche above the Yucatan in line with the forecast path of Ida? Hmmm...less than 10knts
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522. JamesSA 8:01 PM GMT on November 05, 2009    
Quoting Seastep:
Eye:


If you look at what appears to be the "eye" in that photo in this rainbow floater... Link


... The "eye" is a break in the convection well to the west of the center of circulation. Or that is my interpretation at least.
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524. TheCaneWhisperer 8:02 PM GMT on November 05, 2009    
Quoting xcool:
UW - CIMSS
ADVANCED DVORAK TECHNIQUE
ADT-Version 7.2.3
Tropical Cyclone Intensity Algorithm

----- Current Analysis -----
Date : 05 NOV 2009 Time : 184500 UTC
Lat : 13:19:35 N Lon : 83:49:29


05/1745 UTC 13.1N 83.7W
525. PcolaDan 8:03 PM GMT on November 05, 2009    
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526. futuremet 8:03 PM GMT on November 05, 2009    
Quoting atmoaggie:
Lots of vorticity around...I think Ida would be able to spin back up very quick with the advection of any of it.

We have a lot of storms in the records where they intensified far quicker than forecasted to when advecting vorticity from features around them.



CMC sees something like this scenario...


This a very complicated scenario. As much as three tropical entities could soon be interacting with each other.
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527. atmoaggie 8:03 PM GMT on November 05, 2009    
18 Statistical models:

(BAMD really figuring on Ida getting picked up and carried away...and right by here in SE LA)

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528. pcbdragon 8:03 PM GMT on November 05, 2009    
Quoting portcharlotte:
Am I correct regarding the center location?


i think the center is in between those two arrows
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530. StormChaser81 8:04 PM GMT on November 05, 2009    
Quoting portcharlotte:
Am I correct regarding the center location?



Im pretty sure the center is in between those spots you pointed out. i.e. between dry spot and apparent center.
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532. IKE 8:05 PM GMT on November 05, 2009    
Quoting TheCaneWhisperer:


05/1745 UTC 13.1N 83.7W


Which is just east of that dry-slot.
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533. SouthALWX 8:05 PM GMT on November 05, 2009    
Quoting Floodman:
The wind shear forecast for 120 hours out (5 days) for the GOM and NWCarib:



See the niche above the Yucatan in line with the forecast path of Ida? Hmmm...less than 10knts

keep in mind when looking at these maps that a TC itself generates shear. So if the model predicting the shear ALSO predicts a TC, you need to compare relative shear not just straight numbers as this could be the case. Not saying that's the case here, just throwing that out there should you start seeing a niche where the model predicts the center to be and shear on it's outer edges .. I dunno if thats what we see on that map but I've seen it in the past and have been instructed at school to look at the shear in that light.
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534. xcool 8:06 PM GMT on November 05, 2009    
nhc rigth on money
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535. ConchHondros 8:06 PM GMT on November 05, 2009    
Ok...well how about this one, our duck and geese populations are rising even as we lack the "vital" cold fronts that drive migration...they seem to be migrating anyway...so is this proof of global warming (no fronts) and if so, does it matter or really have a negative impact on animals (still migrating)?...Sorry but since it appears I am on everyones ignore list I thought I could just say whatever I want...global...warming...there :)
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536. TheCaneWhisperer 8:07 PM GMT on November 05, 2009    
Quoting IKE:


Which is just east of that dry-slot.


Yeah I know. I was pointing out that the position posted by Xcool and hour later @ 18:45 is NNE from that location. Granted it's Cimms and not the TPC position.
537. Patrap 8:08 PM GMT on November 05, 2009    
IDA 18Z Statistical/Simple Models (CLIPER,BAMs,LBAR,other Statistical Models)




18Z Dynamic Models (More sophisticated models)



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538. PcolaDan 8:08 PM GMT on November 05, 2009    
Depth 26.C Isotherm


Tropical Cyclone Heat Potential


Sea Surface Temperature
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539. stormpetrol 8:08 PM GMT on November 05, 2009    
I think the actual COC is half onshore & half offshore.Plenty moisture to tap into, I doubt this will weaken significantly before it has the Western Caribbean to itself.
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540. BenBIogger 8:08 PM GMT on November 05, 2009    
Quoting xcool:
NHC is right on the money.


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541. Seastep 8:09 PM GMT on November 05, 2009    
Quoting Portlight2:
nice, that's a dry-slot.


I disagree if you look at the loop. Dry slot has been there. Look at the loop.

Zoom in too. That's the eye, imo.

Link
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542. Seastep 8:09 PM GMT on November 05, 2009    
One more frame should tell for sure.
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544. xcool 8:10 PM GMT on November 05, 2009    
BenBIogger !
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545. presslord 8:10 PM GMT on November 05, 2009    
Unless and until Portlight2 makes their identity known to me, please assume they are not connected to the organization...
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546. hurricanejunky 8:11 PM GMT on November 05, 2009    
Quoting Floodman:
The wind shear forecast for 120 hours out (5 days) for the GOM and NWCarib:



See the niche above the Yucatan in line with the forecast path of Ida? Hmmm...less than 10knts


If this thing heads toward Florida I don't see shear being an issue until it gets close to the coast according to your shear forecast. I am not real trusting of shear forecasts this year as they've been wrong a number of times. Interesting storm, eh?
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547. Patrap 8:11 PM GMT on November 05, 2009    
Quoting presslord:
Unless and until Portlight2 makes their identity known to me, please assume they are not connected to the organization...



I concur...
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548. Floodman 8:12 PM GMT on November 05, 2009    
Quoting Portlight2:
very windy conditions here in cayo hueso, this afternoon.


If you are not affiliated with the Portlight organization then your use of this handle is offensive
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550. Seastep 8:12 PM GMT on November 05, 2009    
Looking at ramsdis, I might be wrong and it might be just NE of there.
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551. 789 8:13 PM GMT on November 05, 2009    
Quoting futuremet:


This a very complicated scenario. As much as three tropical entities could soon be interacting with each other.
very good asumption this could get serious nhc is doing very well on these features ,and by the way have you talked to oz about going out with him to see these storms i remember him inviting you
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