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Hurricane Ida hits Nicaragua
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 3:31 PM GMT on November 05, 2009 +1
Hurricane Ida intensified at one of the fastest rates on record, and plowed ashore this morning in central Nicaragua as a Category 1 hurricane with 75 mph winds. It took just 24 hours from when the first advisory was issued for Tropical Depression Eleven until Ida reached hurricane strength. Since reliable satellite measurements began in 1970, Hurricane Humberto holds the record for fastest intensification from first advisory issued to hurricane strength--18 hours. (Actually, Humberto did the feat in 14 1/4 hours, but this was rounded off to 18 hours in the final data base, which stores points every six hours). There have been six storms that accomplished the feat in 24 hours--Hurricane Florence of 2000, Hurricane Erin of 1995, Hurricane Bonnie of 1992, Hurricane Earl of 1986, Hurricane Kate of 1985, and Hurricane Kendra of 1978. Ida now joins that short list of rapidly intensifying storms.

Ida will dump very heavy rains of 10 - 15 inches over northern Nicaragua and northeastern Honduras over the next two days, which will likely make it the deadliest storm of the 2009 hurricane season. However, Ida is a relatively small storm, and has not tapped the Pacific Ocean as a source of moisture. I think the NHC forecast of 15 - 20 inches of rain is overdone. The greatest rainfall disasters in Honduras history--caused by Hurricane Fifi of 1974 and Hurricane Mitch of 1998--were caused because these were large storms that were able to pull in moisture from both the Atlantic and Pacific. Ida will not approach these disasters in magnitude.


Figure 1. Microwave "weather radar in space" image of Ida at landfall this morning, at 6:17 am EST. Image credit Navy Research Lab, Monterey.

The forecast for Ida
Ida will likely spend a full two days over Nicaragua and Honduras, and there is a chance that Ida will dissipate. The HWRF and ECMWF don't show much surviving of Ida after crossing into the Western Caribbean. However, the other models like Ida's chances of surviving, and it is the case that the storm's core will be tracking over relatively low elevation land (Figure 2), increasing the chances that Ida can survive the crossing intact. If Ida survives the crossing and emerges into the Western Caribbean on Saturday, moderate wind shear of 15 - 20 knots and warm waters await it, and some modest strengthening is likely. A trough of low pressure in the Gulf of Mexico this weekend should be able to propel Ida northwards into the Gulf of Mexico. The long-term fate of Ida if it reaches the Gulf of Mexico is hard to guess at this point, though the odds are against Ida hitting the U.S. as a hurricane, due to high wind shear.


Figure 2. Projected track from the 10am EST NHC advisory from Thursday, 11/05/09, overlaid on a topographical map of Central America. Image credit: Wikipedia.

Looking at the past to predict the future
Perhaps the best way to estimate the chances of Ida surviving the crossing of Nicaragua and Honduras is to look at past storms that have followed similar tracks, to see if they dissipated or not. History favors Ida surviving the crossing. The two best analogue storms occurred in 1906 and 1908. Hurricane Eight of October 10, 1906, hit Nicaragua as a Category 3 hurricane, spent two days over land, weakening to a tropical storm, then emerged into the Western Caribbean and re-intensified into a Category 3 hurricane that hit Cuba and South Florida. On the other hand, Hurricane Nine of October 18, 1908, which hit Nicaragua as a Category 2 hurricane, dissipated after spending 1.5 days over land. Three other weaker systems have followed paths similar to Ida's, and all survived the crossing and re-intensified once over the Western Caribbean. Tropical Storm Gert of 1993 hit as a 40 mph tropical storm, spent two days over land, and survived to re-intensify to a tropical storm before hitting the Yucatan Peninsula. Hurricane Alma of June 1996 hit Nicaragua as a tropical depression, spent two days over land, and survived. Alma later intensified into a major Category 3 hurricane in the Gulf of Mexico. Tropical Storm Six of 1940 hit Nicaragua as a 45 mph tropical storm, spent 1.5 days over land, and survived the crossing. So, of the five storms to follow a path similar to Ida's projected path, four survived to re-intensify over the Western Caribbean.

I'll have an update Friday morning.

Jeff Masters
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951. Patrap 10:16 PM GMT on November 05, 2009    
WV loop,..

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952. kmanislander 10:17 PM GMT on November 05, 2009    
The NHC are forecasting 16N 84.3W for Ida or what's left of it to reemerge over water and that position looks accurate given the current motion.

Lots of low lying wetlands along the route to those coordinates.

Anyway, I am out for today.Have a great evening all
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953. 786 10:17 PM GMT on November 05, 2009    
SO what is the consensus, which way is IDA moving? looks N to me... to follow GFDL would need to start moving NE soon
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955. Patrap 10:18 PM GMT on November 05, 2009    
Nighty Kman..drink a Guinness on me.
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956. NRAamy 10:18 PM GMT on November 05, 2009    
coolie....not the time or place, dude...
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957. kmanislander 10:19 PM GMT on November 05, 2009    
Quoting Patrap:
Nighty Kman..drink a Guinness on me.


Nothing quite like a pint or two of the real thing !!
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958. BurnedAfterPosting 10:19 PM GMT on November 05, 2009    


wow GFS then begins to move Ida ESE at 150 hours lol
959. GTcooliebai 10:20 PM GMT on November 05, 2009    
I won't discuss anymore about politics on this blog because what ever someone says their will always be someone to object to that. So lets leave it for debate class. No one should have mentioned it on here in the first place.
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961. Zorfwaddle 10:21 PM GMT on November 05, 2009    
@Patrap in 946

Yep that's true... I don't know who it was, but nobody that received it in Somalia, Iraq or Afghanistan...

George
CTIC (ret)
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962. Patrap 10:23 PM GMT on November 05, 2009    
Didnt catch the individuals name,nor War.

But I bet it was from 1973' on Back to 41'.

Semper Fi.



Quoting Zorfwaddle:
@Patrap in 946

Yep that's true... I don't know who it was, but nobody that received it in Somalia, Iraq or Afghanistan...

George
CTIC (ret)
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963. Orcasystems 10:23 PM GMT on November 05, 2009    


Seismic Monitor

AOI

AOI

Humor in Comments

TS BUSTED FORECAST, to be used in the event you make a minor discrepancy in your forecast.
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965. TampaSpin 10:25 PM GMT on November 05, 2009    
Quoting BurnedAfterPosting:
wow GFS then begins to move Ida ESE at 150 hours lol


The stall will mess up the timing.....High Pressure could build back in and then push it toward the WEST
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966. Zorfwaddle 10:26 PM GMT on November 05, 2009    
A little early (about a week), but thanks for serving :-)

Quoting Patrap:
Didnt catch the individuals name,nor War.

But I bet it was from 1973' on Back to 41'.

Semper Fi.





On topic: Here in Perdido Key, FL, waiting to see what Ida will do. Thank you all for your analysis...
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967. emguy 10:26 PM GMT on November 05, 2009    
Based on what I am seeing on the last few visable frames...we probably have a relocation and re-organization of the center under the last bit of the old deep convection. I was speculative at first, but there are new bands forming on the west side of the old deep convection...and they are moving inwards. It looks like Ida is about to re-locate a little bit to the north folks if she hasn't already done so.
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968. MiamiHurricanes09 10:26 PM GMT on November 05, 2009    
watching the 18z models right now the highest likely place for landfall is in the Tampa region. All though Ida is still very un-predictable, at the moment that looks to be the spot of landfall. Other than that people from South Florida to Louisiana should continue to monitor the progress of Ida.

*I will be posting "my percentages" based on the 18z models in a couple of minutes.
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969. Trouper415 10:28 PM GMT on November 05, 2009    
Could someone please post the video of the El Nino water temperatures over the last few months, thanks.
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970. Patrap 10:28 PM GMT on November 05, 2009    
GOM IR Loop

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971. MiamiHurricanes09 10:28 PM GMT on November 05, 2009    
Florida: 74%

Alabama: 9%

Mississippi: 5%

Louisiana: 12%


*NOTE: These models can change very quickly so don't get to ahead of yourself.
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972. ArmyWifeInGa 10:29 PM GMT on November 05, 2009    
Quoting GTcooliebai:

Well obviously its not enough I mean the killer wanted something that he was not given and this government has caused alot of people to go psycho.


This is what happens when the soldiers are NOT properly evaluated. Insurance has nothing to do with it.
973. FLWeatherFreak91 10:31 PM GMT on November 05, 2009    
Quoting MiamiHurricanes09:
watching the 18z models right now the highest likely place for landfall is in the Tampa region. All though Ida is still very un-predictable, at the moment that looks to be the spot of landfall. Other than that people from South Florida to Louisiana should continue to monitor the progress of Ida.

*I will be posting "my percentages" based on the 18z models in a couple of minutes.
As someone was mentioning earlier, model trends are important, and with this storm the models have been trending further east. So although Tampa is currently the bullseye (which it is almost every year at some point) the models should continue their trend east.
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974. MiamiHurricanes09 10:34 PM GMT on November 05, 2009    
Quoting FLWeatherFreak91:
As someone was mentioning earlier, model trends are important, and with this storm the models have been trending further east. So although Tampa is currently the bullseye (which it is almost every year at some point) the models should continue their trend east.
Very true, South FLorida (Miami is where I'm at) should also monitor Ida.
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976. Floodman 10:34 PM GMT on November 05, 2009    
Quoting GTcooliebai:

Well obviously its not enough I mean the killer wanted something that he was not given and this government has caused alot of people to go psycho.
Quoting GTcooliebai:

Well obviously its not enough I mean the killer wanted something that he was not given and this government has caused alot of people to go psycho.


Whoa, debate dude...do you know something that no one else knows? How do you know what the killer wanted?
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977. Chucktown 10:34 PM GMT on November 05, 2009    
The models continue trending east because they are advertising the stall that most likely will occur early next week. The hand drawn on HPC Day 7 shows this due to a strong 1035 high building across the easter CONUS.
Link
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978. Seastep 10:39 PM GMT on November 05, 2009    
Might not be a psycho at all...
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980. RitaEvac 10:39 PM GMT on November 05, 2009    
TX/LA needs to read this for this coming Sunday


Significant weather changes on the way for late this weekend.

Main concerns will be coastal flooding and excessive rainfall.

Discussion
Surface ridge in place will move eastward Friday allowing Gulf moisture to return to the region. Bay of Campeche surface trough is forecast to begin to lift northward ahead of a strong upper level storm system off the US west coast. Models are still up in the air on if the Gulf surface trough closes off into a closed surface low pressure system and if it has tropical tendencies. Since a tropical cyclone landfall in TX in November would be extremely rare...I will go with the less aggressive solution at this time. Regardless strong moisture advection of 2.0 in PWS will arrive into the region late Saturday as the upper trough digs into N Mexico and then ejects eastward across TX Sunday. Main thrust of strong dynamic lift comes out Sunday PM and Sunday night and meets well with incoming surface trough/low over the NW Gulf at this time. Very high QPF is generated along the coast and offshore as these two systems come together over the NW Gulf/upper TX coast.

Impacts:

Coastal Flooding
Offshore winds will gradually intensify as surface pressure fall in the southern Gulf and strong high pressure anchors over the SE US. Expect high end SCA to low end gale conditions over the central Gulf by early Saturday. Wave Watch III model shows central Gulf swells building to near 15 feet with periods increasing to near 10 seconds. This supports nearshore swells of 8 feet or better with long periods. ENE to E fetch from FL to TX will promote extensive Ekman transport of N Gulf water coastward. Additionally, current luner phase is supporting 1.5-2.5 feet above normal tides without atmospheric effects. Given expected large swell action and already increased tide levels...coastal flooding seems likely as early as Saturday and worsen on Sunday. Total tides may run 3.5-4.5 feet above normal along the middle and upper TX coast which is well into the local warning criteria especially after dune loss from Ike. Tides of this level may flood portions of the west end of Galveston, Bolivar, and low lying areas within Galveston and Matagorda Bays. Coastal Flood Watch will likely be issued Friday.

Rainfall:
Still a little early to nail down QPF amounts as there is still large model spread and still uncertainty as to what will transpire in the NW Gulf. Given moisture levels back up to near 200% above November normals and very strong lift noted with the incoming trough heavy rainfall seems likely. Main question is if this remains offshore should a surface reflection develop over the NW Gulf. Best thing is to raise rain chances into the 50-60% for Sunday PM and then likely ramp up more for Sunday night. Heaviest rains may focus near the coast which would not have a big impact on our current river flooding. Should the models start to trend toward more inland penetration of the heavy rains...a Flash Flood Watch could be require given grounds are still soggy and the Nov sun angle is low so things do not dry as much as they would in July
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981. Txwxchaser 10:39 PM GMT on November 05, 2009    
I am in no way cutting down anyone for their concern and comments regarding the Ft Hood tragedy...however there are blogs you can go to discuss that and give opinions on that subject matter. As tragic as it is, is this really the place for this topic? I don't think so. Let's please keep our focus on the weather. Thx
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982. ArmyWifeInGa 10:41 PM GMT on November 05, 2009    
Quoting Floodman:


Whoa, debate dude...do you know something that no one else knows? How do you know what the killer wanted?


He didn't want to be deployed.
983. weatherblog 10:41 PM GMT on November 05, 2009    
LOL I can name like 10 storms where Tampa was the predicted landfall and it misses by a lot. Right now I'm not even following the models, especially based off the latest GFS which shows something totally different than 6 hours ago. All the models are going in different directions. The only thing I'm basing my forecast on right now is common sense and climatology which would lead me to the conclusion that this won't hit any farther west than the Florida panhandle region. The most likely landfall is South Florida (Wilma comes to mind) but at this moment Central Florida is in the same amount of risk. If path were to occur, Ida could be a major hurricane because water is still very warm in those areas. If it were to hit the Panhandle or the Big Bend area, do not expect anything more than a minimal hurricane at best due to low SST's and shear.

Currently, the models are keep leaning more east so that's the trend. This reminds me of Wilma because, at first, the cone looked similar to Ida's and then it kept moving more east. In November, it will surely move NE or ENE by a front. That's pretty much a fact since almost every storm in late October/November face the same conditions.
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984. Cavin Rawlins 10:41 PM GMT on November 05, 2009    
Quoting Trouper415:
Could someone please post the video of the El Nino water temperatures over the last few months, thanks.


More

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985. GTcooliebai 10:43 PM GMT on November 05, 2009    
Wow Ida not looking good at the moment
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986. rareaire 10:43 PM GMT on November 05, 2009    
Quoting GTcooliebai:

Well that's that I don't know what the killer wanted but their is a motive behind most massacre and I have a feeling this one was just emotional stress. Yes I know assumptions kill. I haven't had time to look at the news because I have been on here discussing the weather and what this blog is meant to be all day, so I would feel at ease if we didn't talk about it the rest of the night and move on to the weather.


poke the tiger with a stick then say hey sorry my bad! lol Flood go easy he wants out.. walk away, walk away!!
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988. jipmg 10:44 PM GMT on November 05, 2009    
IDA moving due north
989. cybergrump 10:44 PM GMT on November 05, 2009    
Major Malic Hassan was the shooter.
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990. rareaire 10:45 PM GMT on November 05, 2009    
Hey Tamopa you ready for my prediction and oportunistic forecast? and funny thing is i might be right this time!
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991. ConchHondros 10:45 PM GMT on November 05, 2009    
Wow speculation on weather is great...speculation as to the motive of a whackado officer and accomplice(s)is retarded...I along with others here fought for the right to free speach, but in this case we should be authorized to take it back..shut up, if you dont know...
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992. rareaire 10:47 PM GMT on November 05, 2009    
Easy Conch he has agreed to stop and Flood walked away!
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993. NRAamy 10:47 PM GMT on November 05, 2009    
CH...please don't use the "r" word....it's just not nice...
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994. GTcooliebai 10:48 PM GMT on November 05, 2009    
Quoting weatherblog:
LOL I can name like 10 storms where Tampa was the predicted landfall and it misses by a lot. Right now I'm not even following the models, especially based off the latest GFS which shows something totally different than 6 hours ago. All the models are going in different directions. The only thing I'm basing my forecast on right now is common sense and climatology which would lead me to the conclusion that this won't hit any farther west than the Florida panhandle region. The most likely landfall is South Florida (Wilma comes to mind) but at this moment Central Florida is in the same amount of risk. If path were to occur, Ida could be a major hurricane because water is still very warm in those areas. If it were to hit the Panhandle or the Big Bend area, do not expect anything more than a minimal hurricane at best due to low SST's and shear.

Currently, the models are keep leaning more east so that's the trend. This reminds me of Wilma because, at first, the cone looked similar to Ida's and then it kept moving more east. In November, it will surely move NE or ENE by a front. That's pretty much a fact since almost every storm in late October/November face the same conditions.

Well...lets try to remember there are other factors in play here. 1) Will Ida be able to survive the trek across Nicaragua/Honduras. 2)Upper Air dynamics such as high and low pressure. 3) If it survives and makes it into the GOM what about wind shear from the subtropical jet. Anyways Intensity is the hardest to forecast especially out 5 days trackwise well if we continue to see this right hand hook then it's a safe bet that the high will move east into the atlantic in response to an approaching front or trough.
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995. Patrap 10:48 PM GMT on November 05, 2009    
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997. Txwxchaser 10:49 PM GMT on November 05, 2009    
Thx...P451
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998. TampaSpin 10:49 PM GMT on November 05, 2009    
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999. Drakoen 10:50 PM GMT on November 05, 2009    
Ida is looking skeletal (void of deep convection) though maintaining decent structure. Not expected to emerge until Saturday.
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1000. rareaire 10:50 PM GMT on November 05, 2009    
Quoting TampaSpin:
New floater loop on Home page......I have put up 2 interactive floaters on IDA now.


see 990
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1001. catastropheadjuster 10:51 PM GMT on November 05, 2009    
Quoting GTcooliebai:

If there is anyone at blame here its our government how come they can't give insurance to injure soldiers.


Excuse me I have a friend that was badly injured in Iraq and the service takes very good care of him to this day and i know other folks from Iran and there being taken care of. So your need to look a little harder before you say something like that. But I will say I don't know a lot about the service but I do believe they do try to take care of the men and women. I am not trying to offend anyone.

Hey Floodman, what cha think about Ida?

Sheri
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