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Hurricane Ida hits Nicaragua
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 3:31 PM GMT on November 05, 2009 +1
Hurricane Ida intensified at one of the fastest rates on record, and plowed ashore this morning in central Nicaragua as a Category 1 hurricane with 75 mph winds. It took just 24 hours from when the first advisory was issued for Tropical Depression Eleven until Ida reached hurricane strength. Since reliable satellite measurements began in 1970, Hurricane Humberto holds the record for fastest intensification from first advisory issued to hurricane strength--18 hours. (Actually, Humberto did the feat in 14 1/4 hours, but this was rounded off to 18 hours in the final data base, which stores points every six hours). There have been six storms that accomplished the feat in 24 hours--Hurricane Florence of 2000, Hurricane Erin of 1995, Hurricane Bonnie of 1992, Hurricane Earl of 1986, Hurricane Kate of 1985, and Hurricane Kendra of 1978. Ida now joins that short list of rapidly intensifying storms.

Ida will dump very heavy rains of 10 - 15 inches over northern Nicaragua and northeastern Honduras over the next two days, which will likely make it the deadliest storm of the 2009 hurricane season. However, Ida is a relatively small storm, and has not tapped the Pacific Ocean as a source of moisture. I think the NHC forecast of 15 - 20 inches of rain is overdone. The greatest rainfall disasters in Honduras history--caused by Hurricane Fifi of 1974 and Hurricane Mitch of 1998--were caused because these were large storms that were able to pull in moisture from both the Atlantic and Pacific. Ida will not approach these disasters in magnitude.


Figure 1. Microwave "weather radar in space" image of Ida at landfall this morning, at 6:17 am EST. Image credit Navy Research Lab, Monterey.

The forecast for Ida
Ida will likely spend a full two days over Nicaragua and Honduras, and there is a chance that Ida will dissipate. The HWRF and ECMWF don't show much surviving of Ida after crossing into the Western Caribbean. However, the other models like Ida's chances of surviving, and it is the case that the storm's core will be tracking over relatively low elevation land (Figure 2), increasing the chances that Ida can survive the crossing intact. If Ida survives the crossing and emerges into the Western Caribbean on Saturday, moderate wind shear of 15 - 20 knots and warm waters await it, and some modest strengthening is likely. A trough of low pressure in the Gulf of Mexico this weekend should be able to propel Ida northwards into the Gulf of Mexico. The long-term fate of Ida if it reaches the Gulf of Mexico is hard to guess at this point, though the odds are against Ida hitting the U.S. as a hurricane, due to high wind shear.


Figure 2. Projected track from the 10am EST NHC advisory from Thursday, 11/05/09, overlaid on a topographical map of Central America. Image credit: Wikipedia.

Looking at the past to predict the future
Perhaps the best way to estimate the chances of Ida surviving the crossing of Nicaragua and Honduras is to look at past storms that have followed similar tracks, to see if they dissipated or not. History favors Ida surviving the crossing. The two best analogue storms occurred in 1906 and 1908. Hurricane Eight of October 10, 1906, hit Nicaragua as a Category 3 hurricane, spent two days over land, weakening to a tropical storm, then emerged into the Western Caribbean and re-intensified into a Category 3 hurricane that hit Cuba and South Florida. On the other hand, Hurricane Nine of October 18, 1908, which hit Nicaragua as a Category 2 hurricane, dissipated after spending 1.5 days over land. Three other weaker systems have followed paths similar to Ida's, and all survived the crossing and re-intensified once over the Western Caribbean. Tropical Storm Gert of 1993 hit as a 40 mph tropical storm, spent two days over land, and survived to re-intensify to a tropical storm before hitting the Yucatan Peninsula. Hurricane Alma of June 1996 hit Nicaragua as a tropical depression, spent two days over land, and survived. Alma later intensified into a major Category 3 hurricane in the Gulf of Mexico. Tropical Storm Six of 1940 hit Nicaragua as a 45 mph tropical storm, spent 1.5 days over land, and survived the crossing. So, of the five storms to follow a path similar to Ida's projected path, four survived to re-intensify over the Western Caribbean.

I'll have an update Friday morning.

Jeff Masters
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352. RitaEvac 6:14 PM GMT on November 05, 2009    
TX/LA needs to read this for this coming Sunday


Significant weather changes on the way for late this weekend.

Main concerns will be coastal flooding and excessive rainfall.

Discussion
Surface ridge in place will move eastward Friday allowing Gulf moisture to return to the region. Bay of Campeche surface trough is forecast to begin to lift northward ahead of a strong upper level storm system off the US west coast. Models are still up in the air on if the Gulf surface trough closes off into a closed surface low pressure system and if it has tropical tendencies. Since a tropical cyclone landfall in TX in November would be extremely rare...I will go with the less aggressive solution at this time. Regardless strong moisture advection of 2.0 in PWS will arrive into the region late Saturday as the upper trough digs into N Mexico and then ejects eastward across TX Sunday. Main thrust of strong dynamic lift comes out Sunday PM and Sunday night and meets well with incoming surface trough/low over the NW Gulf at this time. Very high QPF is generated along the coast and offshore as these two systems come together over the NW Gulf/upper TX coast.

Impacts:

Coastal Flooding
Offshore winds will gradually intensify as surface pressure fall in the southern Gulf and strong high pressure anchors over the SE US. Expect high end SCA to low end gale conditions over the central Gulf by early Saturday. Wave Watch III model shows central Gulf swells building to near 15 feet with periods increasing to near 10 seconds. This supports nearshore swells of 8 feet or better with long periods. ENE to E fetch from FL to TX will promote extensive Ekman transport of N Gulf water coastward. Additionally, current luner phase is supporting 1.5-2.5 feet above normal tides without atmospheric effects. Given expected large swell action and already increased tide levels...coastal flooding seems likely as early as Saturday and worsen on Sunday. Total tides may run 3.5-4.5 feet above normal along the middle and upper TX coast which is well into the local warning criteria especially after dune loss from Ike. Tides of this level may flood portions of the west end of Galveston, Bolivar, and low lying areas within Galveston and Matagorda Bays. Coastal Flood Watch will likely be issued Friday.

Rainfall:
Still a little early to nail down QPF amounts as there is still large model spread and still uncertainty as to what will transpire in the NW Gulf. Given moisture levels back up to near 200% above November normals and very strong lift noted with the incoming trough heavy rainfall seems likely. Main question is if this remains offshore should a surface reflection develop over the NW Gulf. Best thing is to raise rain chances into the 50-60% for Sunday PM and then likely ramp up more for Sunday night. Heaviest rains may focus near the coast which would not have a big impact on our current river flooding. Should the models start to trend toward more inland penetration of the heavy rains...a Flash Flood Watch could be require given grounds are still soggy and the Nov sun angle is low so things do not dry as much as they would in July
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353. CaneWarning 6:15 PM GMT on November 05, 2009    
Are the new models out?

Oh yeah, Happy Guy Fawkes day!!!
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354. AwakeInMaryland 6:16 PM GMT on November 05, 2009    
Quoting TampaSpin:


OOOOPPPPSSS.......sorry all....LOL

Eh, no you're not, lol.
Sigh, I'm short.

Think I'll rest up for tonight's blog show. Thnx, all.
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355. WaterWitch11 6:16 PM GMT on November 05, 2009    
Quoting StormW:


I hear ya Pat...just great. Just what we need...a delay...for it to possibly take advantage of more conducive conditions down the road.


hi guys,

but since it's stationary on land doesn't late mean chances of it weakening are greater?

"or it to possibly take advantage of more conducive conditions down the road"

do you mean shear dropping lower at the later time?
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356. TheCaneWhisperer 6:18 PM GMT on November 05, 2009    
Through 72 hrs

TCVN, GFDL and the UKMET are all east of the NHC

NHC is following the HWRF.

Good argument for IDA staying on or near the coast moving N or NNE even.
357. BurnedAfterPosting 6:19 PM GMT on November 05, 2009    
Quoting TheCaneWhisperer:
Through 72 hrs

TCVN, GFDL and the UKMET are all east of the NHC

NHC is following the HWRF.

Good argument for IDA staying on or near the coast moving N or NNE even.


and the stationary situation now means the NNE movement is even more of a possibility
358. reedzone 6:20 PM GMT on November 05, 2009    
Look at the shear map and where the anticyclone is..



Notice, this is the anticyclone that moves the higher shear north and out of Idas way as the anticyclone itself moves northward. Just going by what I'm seeing, if you go to the CIMMS site and animate it, you can see the anticyclone moving north and pushing the higher wind shear northward and out of Idas way for now.
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361. 1900hurricane 6:21 PM GMT on November 05, 2009    
Quoting RitaEvac:
TX/LA needs to read this for this coming Sunday


Significant weather changes on the way for late this weekend.

Main concerns will be coastal flooding and excessive rainfall.

Discussion
Surface ridge in place will move eastward Friday allowing Gulf moisture to return to the region. Bay of Campeche surface trough is forecast to begin to lift northward ahead of a strong upper level storm system off the US west coast. Models are still up in the air on if the Gulf surface trough closes off into a closed surface low pressure system and if it has tropical tendencies. Since a tropical cyclone landfall in TX in November would be extremely rare...I will go with the less aggressive solution at this time. Regardless strong moisture advection of 2.0 in PWS will arrive into the region late Saturday as the upper trough digs into N Mexico and then ejects eastward across TX Sunday. Main thrust of strong dynamic lift comes out Sunday PM and Sunday night and meets well with incoming surface trough/low over the NW Gulf at this time. Very high QPF is generated along the coast and offshore as these two systems come together over the NW Gulf/upper TX coast.

Impacts:

Coastal Flooding
Offshore winds will gradually intensify as surface pressure fall in the southern Gulf and strong high pressure anchors over the SE US. Expect high end SCA to low end gale conditions over the central Gulf by early Saturday. Wave Watch III model shows central Gulf swells building to near 15 feet with periods increasing to near 10 seconds. This supports nearshore swells of 8 feet or better with long periods. ENE to E fetch from FL to TX will promote extensive Ekman transport of N Gulf water coastward. Additionally, current luner phase is supporting 1.5-2.5 feet above normal tides without atmospheric effects. Given expected large swell action and already increased tide levels...coastal flooding seems likely as early as Saturday and worsen on Sunday. Total tides may run 3.5-4.5 feet above normal along the middle and upper TX coast which is well into the local warning criteria especially after dune loss from Ike. Tides of this level may flood portions of the west end of Galveston, Bolivar, and low lying areas within Galveston and Matagorda Bays. Coastal Flood Watch will likely be issued Friday.

Rainfall:
Still a little early to nail down QPF amounts as there is still large model spread and still uncertainty as to what will transpire in the NW Gulf. Given moisture levels back up to near 200% above November normals and very strong lift noted with the incoming trough heavy rainfall seems likely. Main question is if this remains offshore should a surface reflection develop over the NW Gulf. Best thing is to raise rain chances into the 50-60% for Sunday PM and then likely ramp up more for Sunday night. Heaviest rains may focus near the coast which would not have a big impact on our current river flooding. Should the models start to trend toward more inland penetration of the heavy rains...a Flash Flood Watch could be require given grounds are still soggy and the Nov sun angle is low so things do not dry as much as they would in July

Interesting read. Where'd you find that?
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362. BurnedAfterPosting 6:22 PM GMT on November 05, 2009    
Also of note on Dr Ms posting above of the 1 system dissipating

That system was moving WNW and it hit the mountains of Nicaragua, that is why it dissipated, the others all moved more to the NW; which is why they survived

Ida is not forecasted to get that far west, so you can almost throw that storm out now too

Also NONE of the storms he mentioned occurred in November lol
363. CaneWarning 6:23 PM GMT on November 05, 2009    
Quoting StormW:


That map seems to indicate that Ida will remain a Tropical Storm.
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364. reedzone 6:25 PM GMT on November 05, 2009    
Actually it seems like the antycyclone is not just moving north, but moving towards IDA, animate the shear map and see for yourself.
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366. tino427 6:27 PM GMT on November 05, 2009    
Good afternoon,

I live in south florida,can anyone tell me if this hurricane may hit south florida,in the near future...


Thank you
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367. TampaSpin 6:28 PM GMT on November 05, 2009    


Looks like the main models like the eastward track..
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368. xcool 6:29 PM GMT on November 05, 2009    
nvm .Still a lot of questions with intensity and track
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369. Seflhurricane 6:30 PM GMT on November 05, 2009    
Quoting tino427:
Good afternoon,

I live in south florida,can anyone tell me if this hurricane may hit south florida,in the near future...


Thank you
too early to say but if IDA survives the passage through nicaragua/honduras which is expected too it should be somewhere between the western tip of cuba and the yucatan peninsula wait until it emerges off the north coast of honduras to see what chances florida has
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370. Seflhurricane 6:32 PM GMT on November 05, 2009    
Quoting TampaSpin:


Looks like the main models like the eastward track..
tampa can you post the models with a larger map to see how close it will approach Florida
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371. fire635 6:33 PM GMT on November 05, 2009    
Quoting tino427:
Good afternoon,

I live in south florida,can anyone tell me if this hurricane may hit south florida,in the near future...


Thank you


WAY too early to anticipate a landfall. Is south Florida a possibility? YES. Is Texas a possibility? YES Right now the best course of action would be to watch and wait. The entire gulf coast is threatened at this point. IMO
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372. dolphingalrules 6:33 PM GMT on November 05, 2009    
Quoting TampaSpin:


Looks like the main models like the eastward track..

looking at the eastward curve..the west side of florida..again in 5 days is could change...anybody in florida should dust of your hurricane box---you probably ate all of the candy from it now..
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373. TheCaneWhisperer 6:33 PM GMT on November 05, 2009    
Quoting TampaSpin:


Looks like the main models like the eastward track..



I was gonna say, looking west of the forecast track doesn't offer many reliable sources. Slight change this afternoon IMO to the east, more coming if the trend holds.
375. TampaSpin 6:34 PM GMT on November 05, 2009    


you can see the NNW turn toward the end.
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376. Orcasystems 6:35 PM GMT on November 05, 2009    
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378. TampaSpin 6:37 PM GMT on November 05, 2009    
Quoting Seflhurricane:
tampa can you post the models with a larger map to see how close it will approach Florida


Go to my blog.....its got everything you need there......TampaSpin
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379. tino427 6:37 PM GMT on November 05, 2009    
Thank you very much for this information..
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380. GTcooliebai 6:37 PM GMT on November 05, 2009    
http://metofis.rsmas.miami.edu/~dortt/satellite/invest_14/IR/atl_ir1_loop.gif
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381. TheCaneWhisperer 6:38 PM GMT on November 05, 2009    
05/1745 UTC 13.1N 83.7W OVERLAND IDA -- Atlantic

Right on the coast, just inland.
382. nrtiwlnvragn 6:38 PM GMT on November 05, 2009    
18Z Model Update



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383. seflagamma 6:39 PM GMT on November 05, 2009    
Quoting TampaSpin:


you can see the NNW turn toward the end.


yes you can see it stops moving NW and starts NNW at the end of the run.

thank you.
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384. weathermanwannabe 6:39 PM GMT on November 05, 2009    
Afternoon. All eyes on Ida and whether a viable circulation will emerge into the Caribbean in two days. I would not put too much into the current model runs and very tentative forcasts as we wll not know which way to go until we see what we got on the other side. Main thing right now is the potential death count for Honduras and Nicaragua from the rains and mudslides as noted by Dr. M. The storm may steer clear of the larger mountain areas near Nicaragua and Tegulcigalpa but lots of folks still live in primitave housing and shantytowns on hills that will probably get washed out.
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385. Patrap 6:41 PM GMT on November 05, 2009    
New runs just as interesting as the last..



Ida gonna cause some trouble somewhere..

and is for many now as she pounds the coast with Rains and Heavy Gusts.
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386. TheCaneWhisperer 6:42 PM GMT on November 05, 2009    
Quoting nrtiwlnvragn:
18Z Model Update





NHC is firmly on the western edge of the reliable guidance now.
387. SouthALWX 6:43 PM GMT on November 05, 2009    
Quoting nrtiwlnvragn:
18Z Model Update




Yay the models are pointing in my direction .. I was getting nervous until now .. you know how it is... if you're in the crosshairs this far out especially with complex steering, you can breathe easy LOL .. ( btw for those not used to model madness humor, dont listen to this, everyone in the carribean and gomex needs to watch this regardless if the models "point" at you or not)
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388. fire635 6:44 PM GMT on November 05, 2009    
Quoting nrtiwlnvragn:
18Z Model Update





Looks like some more symmetry in the models for the 18z run. At least in the 48-72 hour forecast.
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389. TampaSpin 6:44 PM GMT on November 05, 2009    
390. Patrap 6:45 PM GMT on November 05, 2009    
IDA 18Z Statistical/Simple Models (CLIPER,BAMs,LBAR,other Statistical Models)




18Z Dynamic Models (More sophisticated models)



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391. GTcooliebai 6:48 PM GMT on November 05, 2009    
On this run all the major models hint at a right hand turn at some point, may just depend on the timing and strength of the next front and the strength of Ida.
http://www.wunderground.com/tropical/tracking/at200911_model.html#a_topad
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392. cybergrump 6:48 PM GMT on November 05, 2009    
looks like the center right on the coast line. Zoomed in on the visable thats what I see.
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393. xcool 6:48 PM GMT on November 05, 2009    
thank pat
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394. TampaSpin 6:49 PM GMT on November 05, 2009    
Wife says i have to do some house work....lawn..or i can't play with you all tonite......guess i better do the lawn....BBL....NO FIGHTING KIDS! I will do a new update late this evening! We need to watch what IDA does for sure!
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395. stormpetrol 6:49 PM GMT on November 05, 2009    
Quoting TampaSpin:


you can see the NNW turn toward the end.

Nice graphic, I like that you can really tell where the center is and where it might be headed, I figure its between 6-12 miles inland if that.
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396. gordydunnot 6:49 PM GMT on November 05, 2009    
Storm nice call on the stall.
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397. cybergrump 6:49 PM GMT on November 05, 2009    
Also it looks like it will be to the right of the next NHC point
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398. StormChaser81 6:50 PM GMT on November 05, 2009    


Look at the Pacific medium potential is starting to spin up.
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399. Patrap 6:50 PM GMT on November 05, 2009    
The only creepy thing observed is the BAMMD consistency..as its performed best with Ida so far as skyepony pointed out last night.

Note the 12Z BAMD,to now



18z(current BAMD)


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400. Patrap 6:55 PM GMT on November 05, 2009    
That MJO Spike is just a Poking the Western Atlantic & far Eastern Pacific in the eye again today.
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401. homelesswanderer 6:55 PM GMT on November 05, 2009    
Monday BOC low. Euro has called for this for at least a week now.CMC same spot same time.

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