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Ida takes aim at the U.S. Gulf Coast
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 11:17 PM GMT on November 08, 2009 +1
Hurricane Ida burst into the Gulf of Mexico as a Category 2 hurricane with 100 mph winds this afternoon, and is poised to deliver a solid blow to the U.S. Gulf Coast between Southeast Louisiana and the Florida Panhandle on Tuesday morning. Radar imagery out of Cancun reveals that Ida has retained its tight inner core this afternoon, with only limited rain bands affecting Mexico and western Cuba. Top winds at Cancun, Mexico today were only 15 mph, despite the fact that Ida passed just 60 miles east of the city. Infrared and visible satellite loops show little change in the intensity of Ida's heavy thunderstorms this afternoon, but the cloud pattern is beginning to become distorted due to strong upper-level winds from the southwest that are creating 20 - 25 knots of wind shear over the hurricane. Water vapor satellite imagery reveals a large area of dry air to the southwest of Ida, but this dry air has not yet intruded into Ida's core. The latest 5:30 pm EST vortex report from the Hurricane Hunters showed that the central pressure had risen 1 mb, to 977 mb, but that the surface winds were still near 100 mph. They noted that the eyewall was open to the east, a sign that Ida's inner core may be in trouble.


Figure 1. MODIS satellite image from NASA's Terra spacecraft, taken at 1:35 pm EST 11/08/09. Image credit: NASA.

The intensity forecast for Ida
The high wind shear of 20 - 25 knots currently affecting Ida is forecast to persist at that level until Monday night. With the storm now beginning to show a distortion of the cloud pattern due to this shear, it would not be a surprise of the shear managed to inject some dry air into Ida's core Monday morning, significantly weakening the storm. Aiding this process will be cooler waters. Early Monday morning, Ida will be crossing over waters of 26°C, which is barely enough to support a hurricane. By Monday night, wind shear is expected to increase to 40 knots, which ordinarily would begin to tear the storm apart. This wind shear is due to an extratropical low pressure system over the western Gulf of Mexico, and this low will begin dumping cold, stable air into Ida Monday night through Tuesday. This will cause Ida to begin transitioning to an extratropical storm, and it is possible that during the transition Ida's winds will die down relatively slowly, despite the wind shear. The intensity forecast has a high amount of uncertainty, and I wouldn't be surprised at a landfall strength anywhere in the range of 45 mph - 80 mph. My personal best guess is a 50 - 60 mph tropical storm at landfall. Regardless of Ida's strength at landfall, the storm will be able to dump 4 - 8 inches of rain along the Gulf Coast, from New Orleans to Panama City. Isolated tornadoes will also be possible, primarily to the right side of Ida's track.


Figure 2. Maximum storm surge (depth of water above ground) for a Category 1 hurricane with 85 mph winds moving north-northeast at 15 mph. Ida is expected to be moving at this speed and direction at landfall, but will probably be weaker, so surges will not be this high. Image credit: NOAA SLOSH model run for Mobile Bay, 2008 version. Heights are given relative to the NAVD88 datum.

The storm surge forecast for Ida
Storm surge is the other major concern for Ida. With a strong high pressure system anchored over the U.S. today, the pressure difference between this high and Ida is creating a strong pressure gradient that will drive tides 3 - 5 feet above normal from New Orleans to the Florida Panhandle tonight. As Ida approaches on Monday, an additional rise in water will occur, and a large stretch of coast will be subject to very high water levels for an extended period of time. With battering waves building Monday afternoon into Tuesday morning, a significant coastal erosion event is shaping up. A particular concern is the western end of Alabama's Dauphin Island, where storm surges from four hurricanes over the past fifteen years have caused heavy damage to the low-lying heavily developed island. If Ida makes a direct hit on Mobile Bay as a Category 1 hurricane with 85 mph winds, a storm surge of up to six feet is possible there, assuming the storm hits at mean tide. The tidal range along the Gulf Coast varies by about 1.5 feet between low and high tide (Figure 3). High tide is near 2 am EST on Tuesday, but the official NHC forecast currently has the storm hitting between 6 am - 9 am, when the tide will be going out, so the storm may indeed be hitting at about mean tide.


Figure 3. The tide forecast for the Gulf Coast calls for high tide to occur around 2 am EST Tuesday morning. Ida is expected to hit later that morning, while the tide is going out.

I'll have an update Monday morning.

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1501. Patrap 10:46 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Morning WX..
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1502. Patrap 10:46 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
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1503. WxLogic 10:48 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Quoting Patrap:
Morning WX..


Morning... Pat...
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1504. canehater1 10:51 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Station 42003
NDBC
Location: 25.966N 85.594W
Conditions as of:
Mon, 9 Nov 2009 09:50:00 UTC
Winds: E (90°) at 35.0 kt gusting to 42.7 kt
Significant Wave Height: 20.7 ft
Dominant Wave Period: 10 sec
Mean Wave Direction: ESE (112°)
Atmospheric Pressure: 29.72 in and falling rapidly
Air Temperature: 75.4 F
Water Temperature: 79.9 F
View Details - View History

Info from buoy 262 nm south of Panama City, FL
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1505. indianrivguy 10:52 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
morning folks!
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1506. KoritheMan 10:56 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
I'm quite tempted to stay up for the 7 AM update from the NHC, to see what they have to say about Ida's intensity and structure.
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1507. WxLogic 11:00 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
What a dramatic change
Quoting indianrivguy:
morning folks!


Morning...
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1508. WxLogic 11:00 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Leaving shortly... work work.

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1509. tropicofcancer 11:01 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Morning all.
Pat, it looks like you have been working overtime, thanks for all the info. Much needed and appreciated!!!.

congrats on the Saints !!!
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1510. stormwatcherCI 11:01 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Quoting KoritheMan:
I'm quite tempted to stay up for the 7 AM update from the NHC, to see what they have to say about Ida's intensity and structure.
It's not far off but I think the Gulf States are in for a nasty few days. Just listened to the BBC World Update and El Salvador had it bad. More than 100 people confirmed dead and more than 100 missing. 10,000 homeless. A very sad situation.
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1511. homelesswanderer 11:03 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
I think GFS first to notice the change. Into NOLA. Ida has made virtually no latitude in 4 hours. She's basically been riding the 25 line west.

Link
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1512. WxLogic 11:03 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Quoting KoritheMan:
I'm quite tempted to stay up for the 7 AM update from the NHC, to see what they have to say about Ida's intensity and structure.


After the next HH pass I won't be surprised that pressure will be above 994 with lesser winds.

I expect it to range from 40 to 50 MPH by the time it gets to land... Due to friction I don't expect winds inland to be more than 40MPH with only higher gusts in showers.
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1513. KoritheMan 11:04 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Quoting stormwatcherCI:
It's not far off but I think the Gulf States are in for a nasty few days. Just listened to the BBC World Update and El Salvador had it bad. More than 100 people confirmed dead and more than 100 missing. 10,000 homeless. A very sad situation.


Ah, I hadn't realized those deaths in El Salvador were attributable to Ida. We did, after all, have East Pacific disturbance 96E in that area as well.

Yeah, that's very unfortunate. Even one life lost is too much.

As I said, if Ida goes extratropical now, we may have some big surprises in the near future.
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1514. Patrap 11:05 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Quoting tropicofcancer:
Morning all.
Pat, it looks like you have been working overtime, thanks for all the info. Much needed and appreciated!!!.

congrats on the Saints !!!


Saints found another way to win..
Im bout done here come sunrise.

Been a fun run watching this one.
Good to see her go Xtra and become less a threat for many
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1515. KoritheMan 11:06 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Quoting WxLogic:


After the next HH pass I won't be surprised that pressure will be above 994 with lesser winds.

I expect it to range from 40 to 50 MPH by the time it gets to land... Due to friction I don't expect winds inland to be more than 40MPH with only higher gusts in showers.


Sounds reasonable.

However, extratropical cyclones typically have large wind fields, and as such, even if sustained winds never exceed minimal tropcial storm force, if you have that kind of wind covering a large area, then you'll start to have problems, which is what I fear might happen here.
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1516. HaboobsRsweet 11:07 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
good morning all, about to head into work which I can only lurk and not post. Getting breezy here this morning in southern MS. Wind chime would stop making noises. Should have taken it down last night haha.
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1517. Cavin Rawlins 11:09 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Good Morning

Ida will undergo extratropical transition on the 10th

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1518. BahaHurican 11:09 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Morning everybody. I need to get off to work, but I'd like to see that update myself... Ida sure looks more extratropical now that it did 3 hrs ago...

If I don't get a chance to check in again later, u guys stay safe, esp. the WUbloggers from LA to the FL panhandle...
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1519. Patrap 11:10 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Id say Ida iz about a full day ahead of that graphs schedule,..LOL
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1520. KoritheMan 11:11 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Quoting Patrap:
Id say Ida iz about a full day ahead of that graphs schedule,..LOL


While she is undoubtedly undergoing extratropical transition, I can tell that she still, at least at present, retains some tropical characteristics -- the humid, eerie feel that is always present during a tropical cyclone is still evident outside.

Complete transition will likely take a few more hours.
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1521. Cavin Rawlins 11:12 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Oh, I was not ban yesterday. I just was not on the blog.
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1522. Patrap 11:13 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
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1523. TheoJesse 11:14 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Good morning
Theodore, Al. here
zip code 36582
Winds 1 mph
overcast
looks a lot different than 9 pm last night
Jesse
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1524. homelesswanderer 11:15 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    


Quoting Patrap:
Well..enjoyed the Fray chase..

G'day.

Floater - Rainbow Color Infrared Loop

IDA,Steering Layer 300-850mb - West Atlantic - Latest Available


Have a good one Pat. I'm not too far behind. :)
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1525. ALCoastGambler 11:17 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Good morning everyone
1526. Cavin Rawlins 11:18 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
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1527. stormwatcherCI 11:19 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Quoting Weather456:
Oh, I was not ban yesterday. I just was not on the blog.
What about the blob to the east of you ? Lots of convection. Any possibility of something developing from that ?
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1528. stormwatcherCI 11:19 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Quoting ALCoastGambler:
Good morning everyone
Good morning.
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1529. ALCoastGambler 11:19 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Looks to me from an untrained eye that alot more people may be in store for power loss than yesterday. Could be looking at some long days ahead
1531. ALCoastGambler 11:26 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
anyone know if recon is inside now or the next time they will be there
1532. IKE 11:27 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Quoting homelesswanderer:


Sweet dreams Ike. :)


It was.:)

That last 2 hours of sleep was the best.
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1533. Cavin Rawlins 11:27 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Quoting stormwatcherCI:
What about the blob to the east of you ? Lots of convection. Any possibility of something developing from that ?


Its tied to a surface trough along the tail end of a dying frontal boundary. Models are developing the area into a hybrid system the same way they did with 96L.

Some models even show the system moving NW and merging with Ida as she exits the East Coast.

The models agree that the system will head NW or WNW and agree it become absorbed either by Ida or a cold front.

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1534. centrfla 11:28 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
456...glad you are back...missed your info..thank goodness I had pat's
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1535. IKE 11:29 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Quoting Patrap:
Ida quickly going Extra-Tropical as a Whole new CoC is taking over Sw of the Old CoC

Floater - Rainbow Color Infrared Loop



I see that.
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1536. Cavin Rawlins 11:30 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Ida is racing for the Gulf coast

Winds are gusting to tropical storm force on almost all buoys in the Eastern Gulf of Mexico with the highest at 42003 - 47 mph

We also have 14-18 ft seas being reported.
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1538. stormwatcherCI 11:30 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Quoting Weather456:


Its tied to a surface trough along the tail end of a dying frontal boundary. Models are developing the area into a hybrid system the same way they did with 96L.

Some models even show the system moving NW and merging with Ida as she exits the East Coast.

The models agree that the system will head NW or WNW and agree it become absorbed either by Ida or a cold front.

What a time of year for things to decide to develop.
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1539. centrfla 11:31 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
also ike's info...thanks
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1540. homelesswanderer 11:32 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Quoting IKE:


It was.:)

That last 2 hours of sleep was the best.


Lol. I'm glad. :)
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1541. Cavin Rawlins 11:34 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Quoting stormwatcherCI:
What a time of year for things to decide to develop.


It's delivering some heavy showers here in the islands.

Its nice and cool right now.
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1542. ALCoastGambler 11:34 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Quoting gulfcoastdweller:


good morning ALC.......a little windy here in Biloxi this morning
I'm at the Isle and haven't even looked out the window yet
1543. Cavin Rawlins 11:36 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
I was watching the channels from the United States over the weekend, especially the news ones and compared to this morning it seems like Ida wasn't really taken serious by some.
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1544. stormwatcherCI 11:38 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Quoting Weather456:


It's delivering some heavy showers here in the islands.

Its nice and cool right now.
We had three days straight rain from Ida. Not too hot now but you know how it goes in the islands, cool right after the rains and then hotter than ever.
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1545. Cavin Rawlins 11:39 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Quoting stormwatcherCI:
We had three days straight rain from Ida. Not too hot now but you know how it goes in the islands, cool right after the rains and then hotter than ever.


yea

humidity
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1546. Cavin Rawlins 11:41 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
I think Ike lives close to the hurricane warning

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1547. nrtiwlnvragn 11:41 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
ATTENTION...NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER

NCEP COUPLED HWRF HURRICANE MODEL FORECAST MADE FOR

HURRICANE IDA 11L

INITIAL TIME 6Z NOV 9

FORECAST POSITIONS (FROM STATS.SHORT FILE...)

HOUR LATITUDE LONGITUDE MIN PRESS (hPa) MAX SFC WIND (KTS)

HOUR: 0.0 LONG: -87.50 LAT: 24.40 MIN PRESS (hPa): 988.00 MAX SURF WIND (KNOTS): 89.00
HOUR: 6.0 LONG: -87.70 LAT: 26.10 MIN PRESS (hPa): 967.00 MAX SURF WIND (KNOTS): 82.00
HOUR: 12.0 LONG: -87.70 LAT: 28.00 MIN PRESS (hPa): 970.00 MAX SURF WIND (KNOTS): 72.00
HOUR: 18.0 LONG: -87.60 LAT: 29.30 MIN PRESS (hPa): 977.00 MAX SURF WIND (KNOTS): 73.00
HOUR: 24.0 LONG: -87.30 LAT: 30.70 MIN PRESS (hPa): 986.00 MAX SURF WIND (KNOTS): 51.00
HOUR: 30.0 LONG: -87.00 LAT: 31.60 MIN PRESS (hPa): 1000.00 MAX SURF WIND (KNOTS): 37.00
HOUR: 36.0 LONG: -86.30 LAT: 31.80 MIN PRESS (hPa): 1005.00 MAX SURF WIND (KNOTS): 34.00
HOUR: 42.0 LONG: -85.50 LAT: 32.00 MIN PRESS (hPa): 1007.00 MAX SURF WIND (KNOTS): 33.00
HOUR: 48.0 LONG: -84.90 LAT: 32.00 MIN PRESS (hPa): 1006.00 MAX SURF WIND (KNOTS): 31.00
HOUR: 54.0 LONG: -84.20 LAT: 31.50 MIN PRESS (hPa): 1008.00 MAX SURF WIND (KNOTS): 32.00
HOUR: 60.0 LONG: -83.60 LAT: 31.10 MIN PRESS (hPa): 1008.00 MAX SURF WIND (KNOTS): 33.00
HOUR: 66.0 LONG: -83.00 LAT: 30.50 MIN PRESS (hPa): 1009.00 MAX SURF WIND (KNOTS): 30.00
HOUR: 72.0 LONG: -82.70 LAT: 29.90 MIN PRESS (hPa): 1007.00 MAX SURF WIND (KNOTS): 28.00
STORM DISSIPATED AT 72.0 HOURS AT ABOVE POSITION.
FORECAST WAS RUN COUPLED FOR THE ENTIRE PERIOD...

DISCLAIMER ... THIS INFORMATION IS PROVIDED AS GUIDANCE. IT
REQUIRES INTERPRETATION BY HURRICANE SPECIALISTS AND SHOULD
NOT BE CONSIDERED AS A FINAL PRODUCT. PLEASE SEE THE TPC/NHC
OFFICIAL FORECAST.


GFDL


HOUR: .0 LONG: -87.56 LAT: 24.39 MIN PRESS (hPa): 984.88 MAX SURF WIND (KNOTS): 85.13
HOUR: 6.0 LONG: -88.07 LAT: 25.76 MIN PRESS (hPa): 981.46 MAX SURF WIND (KNOTS): 71.82
HOUR: 12.0 LONG: -88.28 LAT: 27.28 MIN PRESS (hPa): 982.56 MAX SURF WIND (KNOTS): 67.29
HOUR: 18.0 LONG: -88.27 LAT: 28.18 MIN PRESS (hPa): 986.58 MAX SURF WIND (KNOTS): 54.82
HOUR: 24.0 LONG: -88.27 LAT: 28.89 MIN PRESS (hPa): 992.88 MAX SURF WIND (KNOTS): 51.43
HOUR: 30.0 LONG: -87.81 LAT: 29.50 MIN PRESS (hPa): 996.28 MAX SURF WIND (KNOTS): 61.02
HOUR: 36.0 LONG: -87.03 LAT: 29.84 MIN PRESS (hPa): 997.74 MAX SURF WIND (KNOTS): 54.39
HOUR: 42.0 LONG: -86.22 LAT: 29.78 MIN PRESS (hPa): 999.39 MAX SURF WIND (KNOTS): 53.05
HOUR: 48.0 LONG: -85.68 LAT: 29.54 MIN PRESS (hPa): 1000.09 MAX SURF WIND (KNOTS): 53.04
HOUR: 54.0 LONG: -85.05 LAT: 29.19 MIN PRESS (hPa): 1000.80 MAX SURF WIND (KNOTS): 46.29
HOUR: 60.0 LONG: -84.21 LAT: 28.68 MIN PRESS (hPa): 1001.21 MAX SURF WIND (KNOTS): 39.75
HOUR: 66.0 LONG: -83.19 LAT: 28.33 MIN PRESS (hPa): 1000.73 MAX SURF WIND (KNOTS): 40.70
HOUR: 72.0 LONG: -82.05 LAT: 27.89 MIN PRESS (hPa): 999.30 MAX SURF WIND (KNOTS): 36.76
HOUR: 78.0 LONG: -80.91 LAT: 28.20 MIN PRESS (hPa): 999.14 MAX SURF WIND (KNOTS): 24.90
HOUR: 84.0 LONG: -79.77 LAT: 28.48 MIN PRESS (hPa): 998.01 MAX SURF WIND (KNOTS): 28.44
HOUR: 90.0 LONG: -79.15 LAT: 29.11 MIN PRESS (hPa): 998.06 MAX SURF WIND (KNOTS): 29.97
HOUR: 96.0 LONG: -78.61 LAT: 29.43 MIN PRESS (hPa): 994.04 MAX SURF WIND (KNOTS): 43.30
HOUR:102.0 LONG: -78.78 LAT: 30.12 MIN PRESS (hPa): 996.92 MAX SURF WIND (KNOTS): 27.29
HOUR:108.0 LONG: -78.59 LAT: 30.29 MIN PRESS (hPa): 997.50 MAX SURF WIND (KNOTS): 25.15
HOUR:114.0 LONG: -79.06 LAT: 30.38 MIN PRESS (hPa): 999.31 MAX SURF WIND (KNOTS): 25.85
HOUR:120.0 LONG: -79.72 LAT: 30.05 MIN PRESS (hPa): 999.92 MAX SURF WIND (KNOTS): 21.81
-99.9 -99.90 -99.90

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1548. FLH 11:42 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
HEY GUYS, LOOKS TO ME IDA IS BECOMING EXTRA TROPICAL EARLY
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1549. MsBlanch 11:43 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Pensacola and Mobile stations finally 'tuned in' last night.

We are 7 miles from Pensaola NAS, we'll stay put - concern is the office, there high wter on a rainy day.

Ike do you have high tide link by any chance?

Quoting Weather456:
I was watching the channels from the United States over the weekend, especially the news ones and compared to this morning it seems like Ida wasn't really taken serious by some.
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1550. Cavin Rawlins 11:44 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
Quoting FLH:
HEY GUYS, LOOKS TO ME IDA IS BECOMING EXTRA TROPICAL EARLY


What really is the difference?

Sporadic outages
downed trees
heavy rains
heavy winds
high surf
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1551. Cavin Rawlins 11:45 AM GMT on November 09, 2009    
I guess Ida will affect oil prices since some oil rigs were shut down in anticipation of the storm.
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