Is more CO2 beneficial for Earth's ecosystems?

By: Dr. Jeff Masters , 3:47 PM GMT on November 20, 2009

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We should emit as much carbon dioxide into the atmosphere as possible and oppose efforts to regulate CO2 emissions, because more CO2 is good for the Earth. That's the take-home message of an audacious TV ad that was run this fall by the advocacy group, CO2isgreen.com. "Higher CO2 levels than we have today would help the Earth's ecosystems, and support more plant and animal life", the ad proclaims.

It's the brainchild of H. Leighton Steward, a retired oil industry executive, and Corbin J. Robertson, Jr., chief executive and leading shareholder in Natural Resource Partners, a Houston-based owner of coal resources that lets other companies mine, in return for royalties. According to an article in the Washington Post, the ad ran this fall in New Mexico and Montana, which have key Congressmen that CO2isgreen.com hopes to sway. The ads form part of a major PR campaign being waged by the fossil fuel industry and its allies in advance of the crucial U.N. Climate Change Conference, which will be held December 7 - 18 in Copenhagen, Denmark. At that meeting, the leaders of the world will gather to negotiate an agreement to replace the 1997 Kyoto Protocol. The new agreement will be the world's road map for dealing with climate change, and the stakes are huge.


Figure 1. Screen shot of the new ad by the advocacy group CO2isgreen.com.

Let's consider the scientific accuracy of the ad's three main points:

1) "Congress is considering a law that would classify CO2 as pollution. This will cost us jobs".
Well, this is a reasonable concern. Fossil fuels represent the foundation upon which modern civilization is built. The marvelous inventions of civilized life that have brought increased health, lifespan, and prosperity to billions of people are largely due to the use of fossil fuels. Regulating CO2 and moving to non-fossil fuel based energy sources won't be cheap or easy, and there is a potential for significant economic harm if our politicians bungle the job. The fossil fuel industry employs millions of people, and some of these jobs will no doubt be lost as new "green" energy sources are developed. However, the longer-term economic benefits of moving to a less fossil fuel-intensive economy, plus the jobs created as a result, must be weighed against the shorter term economic disruption that may occur.

2) "There is no scientific evidence that CO2 is a pollutant".
Webster's dictionary defines a pollutant as "man-made waste that contaminates an environment". Webster's defines "contaminate" as "to make inferior or impure". CO2 is man-made waste, and there is scientific evidence that added CO2 can make our atmosphere "inferior" to its present state, or else the EPA would not be considering regulations. As just one example, when CO2 is dissolved in the oceans, the water grows more acidic. Corals and other creatures that build shells out of calcium carbonate cannot form their shells if the acidity passes a critical level--their shells will dissolve. Thus, for these organisms, CO2 is definitely a pollutant. Several shell-building planktonic organisms, such as coccolithophorids, pteropods, and foraminifera, form an important basis of the food chain in cold ocean waters, and the continued increase in CO2 emissions have many scientists very concerned about a collapse of the oceanic food chain in these regions in coming decades. Presumably, CO2isgreen.com is taking the very narrow view that a pollutant is something that harms human health when breathed. The more important question is, how does CO2 emitted by fossil fuel generation, plus all the effects that come with it, impact human health and the health of Earth's ecosystems?

3) "Higher CO2 levels than we have today would help the Earth's ecosystems, and support more plant and animal life".
It is true that many plants grow faster under enhanced CO2--the so-called "CO2 fertilization effect". Just ask your neighborhood commercial indoor marijuana grower, who probably grows his or her plants in an enhanced CO2 environment. The 2007 Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) report found that crop yields under unstressed conditions increased by 0 - 25% for a doubling of CO2, and that growth of young tree stands also increased. However, the IPCC noted that ground level ozone pollution will limit the CO2 fertilization effect. Ozone pollution is caused by emissions from fossil fuel burning, and will increase in a warmer world since the chemical reactions that create ozone act more efficiently at higher temperatures. Furthermore, the higher temperatures, increased drought, and increased insect pests that added CO2 is likely to bring to the atmosphere via greenhouse effect warming will induce major stresses to plants that will counteract the CO2 fertilization effect. A 2009 paper by Battisti and Naylor in Science titled, "Historical Warnings of Future Food Insecurity with Unprecedented Seasonal Heat", reported that the 2003 heat wave in Europe--featuring temperatures predicted to be the norm by the end of the century--reduced harvests of fruits and grains by 21 - 36%. The 2007 IPCC report noted, "even slight warming decreases yields in seasonally and low latitude regions". Most of the world's population at risk of starvation live in such regions (e.g., sub-Saharan Africa).

To get more CO2 in the air, we have to mine, transport, and burn fossil fuels, and potentially fight wars to protect them. This creates a host of effects highly detrimental to people and ecosystems:

1) Particle pollution, sulfur dioxide, and nitrogen oxides emitted as a result of burning coal and operating motor vehicles cause over $118 billion in health and other damages per year in the U.S., according to a Congressionally-ordered National Academy of Sciences study released last month. The study said this was a "substantial underestimate", as it did not consider climate change-related costs, or pollution emissions from a wide variety of other sources.

2) Oil and natural gas drilling and oil spills have had catastrophic effects on many ecosystems over the past century, and will continue to do so. Coal mining via mountaintop removal has laid waste to vast regions of the Appalachians, obliterating over 700 miles of rivers and streams. Failures of slurry ponds dams such as the one that failed in December 2008 in Tennessee have contaminated numerous ecosystems, and killed hundreds (the Buffalo Creek, WV dam failure of 1972 killed 125, and a 1966 slurry pond dam failure in Aberfan, Wales killed 144, including 126 schoolchildren). The Physicians for Social Responsibility put out a report this week called Coal's Assault on Human Health that details many more examples of how coal is bad for ecosystems and human health.

3) Coal mining accidents killed 65 miners in the U.S. in 2006, and kill tens of thousands of miners worldwide each year (China has averaged 6,000 deaths per year this decade). Tens of thousands of miners contract black lung disease each year, as well.

The Greening of Planet Earth
Fossil fuel industry-funded Public Relations campaigns focusing on the benefits of CO2 for life on Earth are nothing new. In 2006, I blogged about a TV ad run by the Competitive Enterprise Institute (CEI) that proclaimed, "as for carbon dioxide, it isn't smog or smoke, it's what we breathe out and plants breathe in. Carbon dioxide: they call it pollution, we call it life.". In 1991, coal giant Western Fuels founded an organization called "The Greening Earth Society" which spent $250,000 to produce the video, "The Greening of Planet Earth" (available on Youtube). The 30-minute movie features scientists who describe in glowing terms the tremendous increases in plant growth that will occur due to increased CO2. Set to appropriately stirring music, the movie concludes: "The future also holds great promise. And contributing to this promise is the positive effect that carbon dioxide has upon our world. Crop plants will continue to grow more productively, contributing to ever-greater supplies of food. Forests will extend their ranges. Grasses will grow where none grow now. And great tracts of barren land we be reclaimed. In fact, it is not inconceivable that the vitality of our biosphere could rise by a full order of magnitude over the next few centuries, to a new, greening Planet Earth". According to Boston Globe investigative reporter Ross Gelbspan in his book The Heat is On, the movie was shown extensively in Washington D.C. and in the capitals of OPEC nations, and was the favorite movie of President George H.W. Bush's chief of staff, John Sununu. It's interesting to note that The Greening Earth Society shares the same mailing address and fax number as the Americans for Balanced Energy Choices (ABEC), a fossil fuel industry front group that was given $35 million to fight climate change regulation in 2008. According to the creators of desmogblog.com, a website dedicated to "Clearing the PR Pollution that Clouds Climate Science", that money, plus an extra $5 million, was shuffled to a new industry front group called the American Coalition for Clean Coal Electricity (ACCCE), and used to help fund the "Clean Coal" TV ads that dominated the airwaves during the November 2008 election. The details are in the excellent new book, Climate Cover-up, written by desmogblog.com co-founder James Hoggan and Richard Littlemore.

Commentary
The CO2isgreen.com ad is beautifully produced, with multiple windows depicting flowing pictures of flowers blooming, animals grazing, crops growing, and the sun shining over these grand scenes of nature's bounty, all set to the soothing sound track of some slick New Age music. Who wouldn't want to live in such a world? Unfortunately, this is a fantasy world created by fossil fuel industry Public Relations people, and we live in the real world where physics and science rule. Oil is not clean, coal is worse, and the extraction, transportation, and burning of fossil fuels that accompany the enhanced-CO2 world we live in are already causing massive environmental destruction. Add in the immense environmental damage likely to occur as a result of the coming climate change storm, and the fantasy that more CO2 will be good for the world dissolves into a nightmare for a huge proportion of Earth's ecosystems--and the people who depend upon them for life.

Hacked emails purport to show climate scientists' cover-up
A hacker broke into an email server at the Climate Research Unit of the UK's University of East Anglia this week and posted ten years worth of private email exchanges between leading scientists who've published research linking humans to climate change. Realclimate.org has an interesting response to the debacle, saying the emails are a "presumably careful selection of (possibly edited?) correspondence dating back to 1996 and as recently as Nov 12)". They show one example of a "cherry-picked" distortion of one of the emails that global warming contrarians are using to try to discredit the science of climate change, and successfully refute the distortion, in my mind. The realclimate groups adds:

"More interesting is what is not contained in the emails. There is no evidence of any worldwide conspiracy, no mention of George Soros nefariously funding climate research, no grand plan to "get rid of the Medieval Warm Period", no admission that global warming is a hoax, no evidence of the falsifying of data, and no "marching orders" from our socialist/communist/vegetarian overlords. But if cherry-picked out-of-context phrases from stolen personal emails is the only response to the weight of the scientific evidence for the human influence on climate change, then there probably isn't much to it".

There's not a person alive who would not look bad if their private emails made public, taken out of context, and subjected to attack. The reputations of all the scientists involved will suffer, as will understanding of the science of climate change. Global warming contrarians have not been able to effectively dispute the reality of human-caused climate change by publishing peer-reviewed scientific articles, so they've done what any effective (and unethical) politician would do--resort to personal attacks of dubious merit on their opponents, in an attempt to muddy the waters and distract people from the facts. That's politics, and it's not too surprising to see this sort of ugly episode in a game where the stakes are so high.

None of the so-called "smoking gun" emails the contrarians are excited about change what I pointed out in in my previous post: Arctic sea ice was at a new record low this month, human-emitted greenhouse gases are largely to blame, and the polar ice cap is expected to melt by 2030, throwing the climate into a dangerous new unstable mode.

I'll have a new post on Monday.

Jeff Masters

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Question to everyone, anyone --

Can you still post on your own blog in WU if you are banned?

I really do not think LongStrangeTrip (Mrs. Floodman) did anything to get banned, but just a little concerned because as far as I can tell, there hasn't been a Floodman update for awhile...which led to my question...just can't believe anyone would flag them, in any case.
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622. beell
Quoting hurricane23:
plywoodstatenative increasing subtropical jet stream energy coming from Mexico and the Pacific Ocean. The low in the Gulf for this weekend is a result of one of these shortwaves moving along the subtropical jet.

adrian


Shortwave came from the N. It did mesh with the subtropical jet over the NW GOM.

But you are correct. Would expect to see disturbances unique to the southern jet this El Nino winter.
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Quoting plywoodstatenative:
I need to know what the temp ranges are going to be for Southern Florida in the 6-10 day ranges. I know that maps have been posted, but would like some info other than that as to what we are looking at.


Friday morning lower 60s along the southeastern coast. 50s inland:



Saturday morning lower 50s along the southeastern coast 40s inland:



Sunday essentially the same as Saturday, though slightly warmer:


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plywoodstatenative it looks like we're starting to resemble an El Niño pattern with the increasing subtropical jet stream energy coming from Mexico and the Pacific Ocean. The low in the Gulf for this weekend is a result of one of these shortwaves moving along the subtropical jet.There are also hints that a low or weak wave could form in the southern Gulf in about 7-9 days which is also a sign of an El Niño-like pattertrying to set up. Even in solid El Niño years, it all depends on exactly where the jet stream and storm track sets up. Small changes can affect our weather from warm and dry to cool and wet. In 2006-2007, a moderate El Niño, we ended up with a warm and dry winter for the most part. Going with the long-term trends, it's hard to go against the cooler and wetter scenario, but sometimes it doesn't work out that way.

adrian
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619. jipmg
Quoting plywoodstatenative:
I need to know what the temp ranges are going to be for Southern Florida in the 6-10 day ranges. I know that maps have been posted, but would like some info other than that as to what we are looking at.


I wouldn't trust the forecasts from local mets for now.. TWC is saying upper 70s and low 60s at night.. that map says extreemly below average, well thats average for miami this time of year..
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Quoting plywoodstatenative:
I need to know what the temp ranges are going to be for Southern Florida in the 6-10 day ranges. I know that maps have been posted, but would like some info other than that as to what we are looking at.


http://www.cpc.noaa.gov/products/predictions/610day/index.php

Looks like about 10 degrees below normal. Not swimming weather.
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Quoting plywoodstatenative:
I need to know what the temp ranges are going to be for Southern Florida in the 6-10 day ranges. I know that maps have been posted, but would like some info other than that as to what we are looking at.

Not exactly an answer, but might be of interest to you(?)

Can El Niño end a 4-year drought?
WETTER WINTER: While the weather shift appears on track, water chiefs still fret

By Kate Spinner
Published: Friday, November 20, 2009 at 1:00 a.m.

The weather pattern expected to bring lots of rain to Florida this winter is coming a little late, but it is still on its way.

Rainfall in the equatorial Pacific, triggered by warmer seas there, should change Florida's weather within the next two to three weeks, federal forecasters predicted Thursday.
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616. beell
Some more funny stuff from the hacks. What ever you may think, it is nice to see that in some respects, these folks are not that much different from the rest of us!

A portion of 1206628118.txt

From: Phil Jones
To: trenbert@xxxxxxxxx.xxx,"Jonathan Overpeck"
Subject: Re: Fwd: ukweatherworld
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 10:28:38 +0000
Cc: mann@xxxxxxxxx.xxx,santer1@xxxxxxxxx.xxx, "Susan Solomon"

...I'm away all next week - with Mike. PaleoENSO meeting in Tahiti - you can't
turn those sorts of meetings down!


Cheers
Phil
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I need to know what the temp ranges are going to be for Southern Florida in the 6-10 day ranges. I know that maps have been posted, but would like some info other than that as to what we are looking at.
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Quoting AussieStorm:

It's really is that red. and its very hot... Sydney was like a hot desert today... 42C(106F)


You should post some pictures of your country once in awhile. There are some awsome sights. We would enjoy them. Just remember to post the weather along side them. lol
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Good Sunday morning read. Cool pic.

International Workshop of Experts Dealt with Risks Facing World Heritage Sites

Artdaily.org
JERUSALEM.- Jerusalem, Masada, Caesarea … are they here to stay? The Israel Antiquities Authority and the Israel National Commission for UNESCO (the United Nations Education, Scientific and Cultural Organization) have warned that the heritage sites in Israel are at risk of destruction in the event of natural disasters and being vandalized by man.

Out of a desire to prepare for possible emergency scenarios and to protect the heritage sites in the country that are among the most important in the world, the Israel Antiquities Authority and the Israel National Commission for UNESCO this week convened a three day international workshop of experts for the purpose of brainstorming and consulting authorities from around the world who cope with risks and natural disasters. Experts arrived in Akko from many different countries such as Italy, Jordan, Japan, China, Peru and Tanzania.

According to Ra’anan Kislev, director of the Israel Antiquities Authority Conservation Department, “Israel is located in a region that is highly susceptible to earthquakes because of its proximity to the Rift Valley – a region of active faults where strong earthquakes have already struck that have left destroyed cities in their wake in Israel and neighboring lands. The last great earthquake struck Israel in 1927. An earthquake of high magnitude can cause severe damage to life and property, including irreversible damage to cultural heritage, especially at sites which are situated just a few kilometers from the Rift Valley. The Old City of Jerusalem, Masada and Bet She’an are amongst these sites”. Kislev also said, “Due to the collapse of the coastal cliff owing to changes in the sea level, many heritage sites along the coast are in real danger of erosion and collapse” (Apollonia, Caesarea, Ashkelon and Atlit).
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Quoting Grothar:


Aussie, Here is a picture of the Simpson Desert. Is it really that red, or just the image. Bet it is hot there.


It's really is that red. and its very hot... Sydney was like a hot desert today... 42C(106F)
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Redoubt might be becoming active again....its puffing some and Rammb has a floater on it too now....I put it up also
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Quoting AussieStorm:

that temp of 22/11/09 03:00pm 39.8C(103.6F) was at Sydney airport. my place got to 41C(106F)


Aussie, Here is a picture of the Simpson Desert. Is it really that red, or just the image. Bet it is hot there.

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606. LOL....couldn't resist. i think the word you were looking for is "pickled"! ;)
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Ya think so, Aggie? Could very well be. But I am well "preserved".
Bottle doing good still.
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Quoting pottery:
599, Aussie,
That would give my body's thermostat a real challenge.....

that temp of 22/11/09 03:00pm 39.8C(103.6F) was at Sydney airport. my place got to 41C(106F)
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602. must be menopause...oh wait! LOL

just kidding with ya, pottery :)

how's that rum coming along?
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Quoting pearlandaggie:
Drak, Ike, Squawk...LMAO. it's like flipping between the channels during the weather segment. the forecast depends on who you're watching! :)

i could be wrong, but i'm starting to believe that you guys really are meteorologists! LOL

thanks for all the help :)


Not a chance!!! LOL At least not me. I just happened to see that earlier this morning and did not have a senior moment trying to find it again.
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599, Aussie,
That would give my body's thermostat a real challenge.....
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Quoting SQUAWK:


That is one really cool RADAR you got there Aussie! Man, I really like that!

Yeah it brand new. only been online like 6 weeks.
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Drak, Ike, Squawk...LMAO. it's like flipping between the channels during the weather segment. the forecast depends on who you're watching! :)

i could be wrong, but i'm starting to believe that you guys really are meteorologists! LOL

thanks for all the help :)
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Quoting pottery:
VIVE LA DIFFERENCE, Aussie!!


22/11/09 03:00pm 39.8C(103.6F)
23/11/09 12:00am 30.6C(87.1F)
23/11/09 12:30am 29.9C(85.8F)
23/11/09 01:00am 22.9C(73.2F)
23/11/09 01:30am 21.5C(70.7F)
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Quoting AussieStorm:

I thought someone forgot to turn the oven down it got that hot here. my bowl of ice-cream melted in 2 mins, i sat it down to get a drink, when i got back it had turned into a milk shake.

Sydney wind doppler Radar


That is one really cool RADAR you got there Aussie! Man, I really like that!
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Quoting pearlandaggie:
so is the cold next week going to be primarily on the East coast or are we supposed to get some colder weather in the South Central region as well?

EDIT: the reason i ask is that the 10-day forecasts aren't really showing anything unusual in the way of temperatures.


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VIVE LA DIFFERENCE, Aussie!!
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Quoting pearlandaggie:
so is the cold next week going to be primarily on the East coast or are we supposed to get some colder weather in the South Central region as well?


Both, but more so for the eastern USA.
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593. ahhhh, thanks, Drak...that's what i figured. that's why the forecasts are essentially saying "more of the same next week". LOL
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Quoting pearlandaggie:
so is the cold next week going to be primarily on the East coast or are we supposed to get some colder weather in the South Central region as well?





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Quoting leftovers:
beautiful weather here in e cen florida its ashame that it might be under water in 20 yrs


Based in satellite information, my house is at 22 feet above sea level.

I am designing the west side of my property for the day it becomes beachfront. Goodness gracious its going to be great.

Imagine...GOM beachfront property in South Florida. Life is grand.

And it's all happening in less than twenty years!! Yahoo!!!

Not!!!

The only thing that will be happening in twenty years is that Al Gore and his AGW followers will be sitting around with egg on their faces. Unfortunately, they will be rich beyond their dreams from the fraud they perpetrated on the rest of the world.
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so is the cold next week going to be primarily on the East coast or are we supposed to get some colder weather in the South Central region as well?

EDIT: the reason i ask is that the 10-day forecasts aren't really showing anything unusual in the way of temperatures.
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Quoting sxwarren:
It's wonderful that human civilization derives so many benefits from the CO2 generated by buring fossil fuels. It's just too darn bad that the supply of fossil fuels is ultimately finite. It's also too bad that human civilization has already consumed nearly all of the low-hanging fruit and that, from here on, extracting the remainder will become increasingly costly from an energy input standpoint. Eventually, and soon, the caloric input required for extraction will exceed the calories extracted. Approaching that point, jobs - and a whole lot more - will be lost anyway. Since this is inevitable, why not start now developing and deploying the technologies or changing over?

Oh, right. Because we'll lose all those benefits from the added CO2.


Well stated.

Cap and Trade is an aristocracy based ploy to steal from those less fortunate so that the aristocracy can line their pockets with more money.

How is that possible.

Take a look.

We have land preservation and habitat protection and what happens when someone wants to build a high rise building on that spot? Easy, the law allows for swapping of credits from another less valuable piece of property elsewhere.

Here in Florida, for example, there is a species of tree snail called Liggus and it is protected by federal law. You cannot remove it from a tree - dead or alive -, or pick it up 'dead' from the ground. This applies to both private and public land. Nice idea, right?

Well, if you own the property and want to build a home, guess what. Send in the bulldozer and crush those trees and the resident tree snails all you want because its okay. Want to have someone come in and remove those snails before destroying the trees? No can do, federal law prohibits the removal...period...end of story.

Same thing is slated to happen with Cap and Trade. Reduce your emissions to below that required by law and you will earn a credit that you can 'SELL'. Sell to who? To someone who does not reduce their emissions, that's who.

Instead of demanding that the emissions be reduced across the board, you can buy your way out of the responsibility by purchasing the credits that the other company has stashed away for just this occasion. Of course the is a broker fee involved.

Were you aware that the main spokesman for AGW, Al Gore, is hip deep in bed with a company that brokers just such hypocrisy?

Do we need to conserve?

Yes, indeed.

Should the Al Gores of the world get rich as the process moves forward??

Absolutely not!!
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Quoting SQUAWK:


Got a little warm down there eh? Looked at some temp charts for Sydney and they sure seemed to spike yeaterday.

I thought someone forgot to turn the oven down it got that hot here. my bowl of ice-cream melted in 2 mins, i sat it down to get a drink, when i got back it had turned into a milk shake.

Sydney wind doppler Radar
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Quoting AussieStorm:
YIPPPEEEEEEEE...... the cold change has arrived.... good bye 42C(107.6F)..... hello 22C(71F). yes yes yes... YIPPPPEEEEEEE


Got a little warm down there eh? Looked at some temp charts for Sydney and they sure seemed to spike yeaterday.
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Accuweather says my area will have highs at or slightly above freezing every day after December 2 to December 6.
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Good morning! It's 65 here with some rain falling in Melrose, FL. I've got 3 sleeping dogs around me (Gabby is overweight and she snores) Good weather for coffee, newspaper, and blogging. Rain is good but we will have none of the noreaster's or tornadoes here :)
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It's wonderful that human civilization derives so many benefits from the CO2 generated by buring fossil fuels. It's just too darn bad that the supply of fossil fuels is ultimately finite. It's also too bad that human civilization has already consumed nearly all of the low-hanging fruit and that, from here on, extracting the remainder will become increasingly costly from an energy input standpoint. Eventually, and soon, the caloric input required for extraction will exceed the calories extracted. Approaching that point, jobs - and a whole lot more - will be lost anyway. Since this is inevitable, why not start now developing and deploying the technologies or changing over?

Oh, right. Because we'll lose all those benefits from the added CO2.
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YIPPPEEEEEEEE...... the cold change has arrived.... good bye 42C(107.6F)..... hello 22C(71F). yes yes yes... YIPPPPEEEEEEE
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581. IKE
I agree, that winter is fixing to affect the eastern USA by turkey day and Friday. Warm up by next Sunday and Monday and a possible colder blast next week.
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580. IKE
Quoting peejodo:
refer to post 449 from LST...Flood is home Nov.21


Glad to hear it...thanks.
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Quoting IKE:


Good morning.

Floodman still recouping in the hospital?
refer to post 449 from LST...Flood is home Nov.21
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577. IKE
Quoting SQUAWK:


I don't know. I think so but haven't seen anything new in LST's blog.


I looked for her blog and it's dropped off the blog page...no posts in awhile.


Quoting SQUAWK:


From everything I have seen, our next "big nor'easter" is not gonna amount to all that much. Our locals are calling for some rain and a little breezy for Monday and Tuesday and that is about it. You see anything different?


You didn't ask me, but I don't see anything different. It was overhyped by a few on here(and no, P451, I'm not talking about you).

Look beyond this low and look to the one next weekend. It may be a more significant system.
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Quoting P451:
X'Ida'Easter still churning away. (left side of image)



From everything I have seen, our next "big nor'easter" is not gonna amount to all that much. Our locals are calling for some rain and a little breezy for Monday and Tuesday and that is about it. You see anything different?
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