Embattled UK climate scientist steps down

By: Dr. Jeff Masters , 3:53 PM GMT on December 03, 2009

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The embattled director of the University of East Anglia's Climate Research Unit (CRU), Dr. Phil Jones, announced that he will be temporarily standing aside as director. An independent review of his conduct in light of the emails illegally hacked from his computers last month is in progress. In a press release, Professor Jones said: "What is most important is that CRU continues its world leading research with as little interruption and diversion as possible. After a good deal of consideration I have decided that the best way to achieve this is by stepping aside from the Director's role during the course of the independent review and am grateful to the University for agreeing to this. The Review process will have my full support".

The University and the police are investigating the break-in, and it is currently unknown if this was the act of an insider or an external break-in. I think it is highly unlikely this was the work of an insider in a whistle-blower type of action, since a computer at realclimate.org was hacked into the same week (via a computer in Turkey), and the criminal attempted to upload the emails stolen from CRU to the realclimate.org server. This is not the sort of action a whistleblower would do. Dr. Gavin Schmidt of realclimate.org said in a comment yesterday that the CRU break-in appeared to have been done from the outside, into a backup mail server. It is unlikely the hacker acted alone, since hackers aren't typically intimately familiar with the details of the climate change science debate. The emails and code stolen were selectively culled by someone who appeared to have considerable expertise in climate science.

What did Dr. Jones do wrong?
So, what did Dr. Jones do wrong? For starters, he should have confronted the allegations raised by his critics immediately and talked candidly to the press about some of the specific accusations being made. For example, one of the emails contained the statement that he would like to "redefine what the peer-reviewed literature is" to exclude two questionable papers from the IPCC report. Well, that's not something a good scientist should seriously advocate, and is an impossibility, in any case. No one can redefine the peer-reviewed literature, since the rules for this are well-established an not subject to change. When I read the comment in the context it was made, it reads as a joke. There is no discussion in the hacked emails about how to go about redefining the peer-reviewed literature. In the end, the two papers Jones was referring to with this comment, McKitrick and Michaels (2004) and Kalnay and Cai (2003), ended up being cited and discussed in Chapter 2 of the IPCC AR4 report. Those intent on discrediting the science of human-caused global warming are spinning the comment differently, creating a controversy about something that is impossible to do, and was not being seriously suggested. Jones should have immediately spoken up to quash the hype on this comment.

The "trick" to "hide the decline"
Another area of concern is over a graph Dr. Jones helped construct in 1999 showing the "hockey stick" of Earth's surface temperature going back 1,000 years. This graph combined instrumental measurements made since the 1800s with older paleoclimate data (including data from tree rings) to show a continuous 1,000 year record of Earth's temperatures. The paleoclimate data after 1960 show a bogus decline in Earth's temperatures that does not agree with what modern thermometers have been measuring, due to a well-known variation in tree ring thickness as a function of time, referred to as "the decline". Thus, Jones elected to toss out the bogus paleoclimate data (using a "trick" to "hide the decline") rather than present it in the graph. The graph was not properly labeled to show this was done, so viewers of the graph would have had needed to be familiar with a 1998 paper published in Nature or the 1999 paper referenced in the caption on the graph, which explained this well-known data issue. The graph that Jones used his "trick" on was put into a 1999 report called the "WMO Statement on the Status of the Global Climate". The report was given to policy makers, but was never published in a peer-reviewed scientific journal. No reputable climate scientist believes that the paleoclimate data since 1960 is of higher quality than the instrumental record (this is discussed in detail in Chapter 6 of the 2007 IPCC report). In order to make the "hokey stick" graph less confusing, removing "the decline" from the tree ring data is a reasonable thing to do--provided one labels the graph properly. The graph was not properly labeled. Does Jones' "trick" and failure to properly label the graph constitute data falsification, or was it merely sloppy science? The hacked emails contain no suggestions that the "trick" was done to intentionally fool people, and the "trick" never appeared in the peer-reviewed scientific literature, including the IPCC reports. In Dr. Jones' words, "This is well-known and is called the "decline" or "divergence". The use of the term "hiding the decline" was in an email written in haste. CRU has not sought to hide the decline. Indeed, CRU has published a number of articles that both illustrate, and discuss the implications of, this recent tree-ring decline, including the article that is listed in the legend of the WMO Statement figure".




Figure 1. The WMO 1999 "hockey stick" figure (top) with climate reconstructions and instrumental temperatures merged, and a version (bottom) with the climate reconstructions (coloured) and instrumental temperatures (annual & summer in black) shown separately. Note "the decline" in the temperature obtained from tree ring data (green curve) in the bottom curve. Image credit: University of East Anglia.

Global warming contrarians are spinning the "trick" as reason to discredit the "hockey stick", claiming that the data was falsified to hide the fact that tree rings were telling the real story. Since the hockey stick was falsified, some claim, the entire science behind human-caused global warming needs to be questioned. This is plain ludicrous. The graph was never published in a scientific journal. Several updated versions of the "hockey stick" graph have been published in the ten years since the disputed graph was produced, and the "hockey stick" can be reproduced in essentially the same form excluding the controversial tree rings, using other paleoclimate data such as boreholes (See Mann et al., 2008, Figure 2). Furthermore, the peer-reviewed science supporting human-caused global warming is not based solely upon the "hockey stick" and the CRU data used for the last 150 years of the hockey stick graph. There are three separate data sets of global temperatures maintained by NASA, the CRU, and NOAA's National Climatic Data Center, that all show essentially the same global warming. We also have evidence from nature herself in the form of plants and animals expanding their ranges poleward, the record loss of Arctic sea ice in 2007 and record loss of multi-year Arctic sea ice this year, the shrinking of mountain glaciers, reductions in the length of freeze season in many Northern Hemisphere lakes and rivers, the shifting of spring blooms earlier in most regions of the world, and on and on and on. Again, Jones should have spoken up immediately to kill the ridiculous hype being pushed by global warming contrarians about the importance of a 10-year old graph that is now scientifically irrelevant, and was never published.


Figure 2. The "hockey stick" of global temperature anomalies since 300 A.D., as published in a 2008 paper in Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences by Mann et al.. Even if one excludes tree rings (blue curve), the hockey stick looks the same.

Resistance to releasing data to other researchers
The hacked emails also show that Dr. Jones resisted releasing his data to contrarians and urged others to delete emails regarding Freedom Of Information (FOI) related requests. Many countries protect their weather data under an international agreement called World Meteorological Organization Resolution 40, which prohibits the data from being made public (this is why wunderground can't give out the UKMET model forecasts on our web site, for example). About 5% of the CRU data fell in that category, making release illegal. However, deleting emails related to FOI requests is inadvisable and implies one has something to hide. The investigation should certainly pursue the issue of whether Dr. Jones properly handled the requests to turn over his data to outside researchers. Ideally, weather data documenting Earth's climate history should be free to everyone on the planet (I am not a big fan of WMO Resolution 40). However, another aspect to this issue is the time it takes for the scientists involved to prepare the data for release. Large, complicated data sets require extensive documentation and access to related computer codes in order to process them, and making the data available to every amateur investigator interested in the data puts an unfair burden on the scientists who maintain the data sets. In particular, an amateur climate science investigator named Stephen McIntyre, who runs the web site Climate Audit, has created such an issue. McIntyre, a retired mining executive and an investor, is not a professional scientist, but has been successful identifying several technical errors made in the published literature. He has also generated a huge amount of misleading and incorrect information over the years, and has done a tremendous amount of damage to the understanding of climate science. McIntyre is intent on discrediting the science of human-caused global warming--presumably for ideological reasons, since he has no obvious ties to the fossil fuel industry--and has generated a large number of Freedom of Information requests to further his cause. One of the hacked emails, from Dr. Ben Santer, complained that McIntyre's FOI requests were intrusive and unreasonable with no scientific justification or explanation given, and appeared to be a calculated strategy to divert Santer's attention and focus away from research. It's worth reading Santer's reaction to the hacked email affair to learn more. Given such tactics by McIntyre, Dr. Jones' resistance to FOI requests from McIntyre is understandable, but appears to have been poorly handled.

The science of human-caused global warming remains unaffected
None of the hacked emails reveal any conspiracy to publish falsified or "fudged" material in the peer-reviewed scientific literature. The science of human-caused global warming will require no revision as a result of this affair. Baseless accusations of fraud, data manipulation, and conspiracy against climate change scientists stemming from the hacked emails are being massively hyped by the Manufactured Doubt industry in an effort to discredit climate scientists, since no flaw with the science can be found. Most of the public is in no position to distinguish good science from bad, so if you can create doubt, uncertainty, and confusion, you can win--or at least buy time, lots of it. The hacked email affair is all about politics, not science. Dr. Jones is an excellent scientist, but unfortunately was over-matched as a politician. It was hardly a fair fight--one scientist against the political might of the mightiest PR campaign against science ever waged, armed with some selectively culled stolen emails taken out of context.

Other posts in this series
The Manufactured Doubt industry and the hacked email controversy
Is more CO2 beneficial for Earth's ecosystems?

Next post
I'm working on a post called, "Don't shoot the messenger", and plan to run this Sunday or Monday.

Our Climate Change expert, Dr. Ricky Rood, will be in Copenhagen for Monday's start to the crucial COP15 climate change treaty negotiations. Be sure to tune into his blog for updates on the talks. Wunderground has provided financial support for several University of Michigan students to attend the talks, and I may be featuring portions of their blogs over the coming weeks.

Jeff Masters

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Its snowing in Baton Rouge!
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1269. CONCERNING...HEAVY SNOW

Go ahead...ya'll are killing me...what's considered "heavy" there?

I'll stop sassing ya'll now. It's time for supper. Thnx. for the fun.
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Quoting bappit:
@quakeman55: Looks to me like the snow is west and north of your location. Sort of how that last system traveled NNE out of the Gulf.

It should come our way too...temps will be cold enough. I'm just waiting for updates to confirm that.
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People from SE TX, LA into MS, please take alot of pictures and post them online!
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1267. Sent us home early.

O stop, lol, lol, I can't catch my breath today!
GW not so much.
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1270. bappit
@quakeman55: Looks to me like the snow is west and north of your location. Sort of how that last system traveled NNE out of the Gulf.
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MESOSCALE DISCUSSION 2198
NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK
0522 PM CST FRI DEC 04 2009

AREAS AFFECTED...SERN TX...MUCH OF LA...AND CENTRAL MS

CONCERNING...HEAVY SNOW


VALID 042322Z - 050515Z

CLIMATOLOGICALLY RARE SNOWFALL EVENT IS EXPECTED TO TRANSLATE E-NEWD
ACROSS LA AND INTO MS THROUGH 06Z...WHILE COMING TO AN END DURING
THE 00-03Z TIME FRAME OVER SERN TX.

UPPER LEVEL TROUGH EVIDENT IN WV IMAGERY IS FORECAST TO MOVE EWD
FROM TX INTO MS/AL BY 12Z. AS THIS OCCURS...ZONE OF LARGE SCALE
ASCENT AHEAD OF THE TROUGH COMBINED WITH SLOPED REGION OF 850-500 MB
FRONTOGENESIS WILL LIKELY MAINTAIN A BROAD SHIELD OF PRECIPITATION
OVER LA AND MS THROUGH 06Z. RECENT SURFACE OBSERVATIONS INDICATE
THAT RAPID WET BULB COOLING TO AROUND 32 DEG F IS OCCURRING IN
CONJUNCTION WITH STRONGEST UVV/S AND PRECIPITATION RATES...RESULTING
IN A CHANGE FROM RAIN TO SNOW...AND MODEL GUIDANCE INDICATES THIS
TREND WILL CONTINUE AS STRONGEST ASCENT SHIFTS FROM SERN TX ACROSS
LA DURING THE 00-03Z TIME PERIOD...AND THEN INTO MS BY 03-06Z. AT
THIS TIME...MODEL FORECAST GUIDANCE SUGGESTS SNOWFALL RATES WILL
REMAIN UNDER 1 INCH/HOUR...BUT MOIST ISOTHERMAL FORECAST SOUNDINGS
THROUGH THE LOWEST 2 KM/S INDICATE WET HEAVY SNOW FLAKES WILL BE
POSSIBLE WITH REDUCTION IN VISIBILITIES TO AROUND 1 MILE.

..GARNER.. 12/04/2009


...NOTICE...
SPC WINTER WEATHER MESOSCALE DISCUSSIONS WILL BE ISSUED ON A
SCHEDULED BASIS FROM DECEMBER 1 THROUGH FEBRUARY 28...FOUR
TIMES A DAY...AROUND 00 UTC...06 UTC...12 UTC...AND 18 UTC
FOR SIGNIFICANT SHORT RANGE WINTER WEATHER EVENTS.

ATTN...WFO...MOB...JAN...LIX...LCH...SHV...HGX...

LAT...LON 32159346 33139117 33698873 33098833 31968852 30958970
30189206 29439504 30739528 32159346

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1267. bappit
Yay! A GW post!

This guy comments on what happens when science conflicts with vested interests. Ironic that cynics are saying that the scientists are out for their own benefit. Talk about obfuscation!

Oh, yeah. Enjoyed my drive home from work in the snow here in Houston. Sent us home early. Fast, fast moving system. Skies cleared before sunset.
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Allright guys...what's the thinking now for snow in the western panhandle of FL? Temp is already down to 46, with a lot of hours to go for it to really start getting cold. I can't see why there can't be an extension of snow in the early morning hours as temps drop to the mid to upper 30's throughout the area. Mets still want to dismiss the idea of snow here...is it THAT crazy?
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Quoting miajrz:


I lived in DC in the early eighties. Once, when it snowed a mega 4 ins, people abandoned their cars on the 14th Street Bridge--just left them there and walked (slushed?) away.

Uh, yeah...I was driving a Mustang convertible then (nothing to get excited about, it was the "fake" Mustang, 4-cylinder, empty air in the engine, lol). I found out the hard way they didn't handle well even on wet streets! Had to leave it a block from home; but not on the 14th Street Bridge! O. My. Gawd.
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Wind just picked up, watch that Abita ob site get colder soon.

And this warm temperature advection behind the snow is the cause on the drizzle after the snow in TX today. Not expected to be the same starting about now with the sun down...

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1263. miajrz
Quoting AwakeInMaryland:

Now this is funny! They're already treating DC roads, and the Mayor is ordering people to clear their steps and walks.
This is for 1 to 2 inches, currently, more maybe in 'burbs. Told you we were wimps!
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I lived in DC in the early eighties. Once, when it snowed a mega 4 ins, people abandoned their cars on the 14th Street Bridge--just left them there and walked (slushed?) away.
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Still a bit too warm here...

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Ya'll got out early??! LMAO...I have been all day!

Parish under weather advisory


By Staff reports
Weekly Citizen
Fri Dec 04, 2009, 01:02 PM CST

Ascension Parish officials prepared Friday for the possibility of wintry weather as the parish was placed under a weather advisory.

Friday morning, the National Weather Service office in New Orleans issued a winter weather advisory for portions of southeast Louisiana and southern Mississippi from 6 p.m. Friday to 6 a.m. Saturday. The advisory includes Ascension Parish and specifically mentions the cities of Gonzales and Donaldsonville.

Major concerns associated with this winter weather will be dangerous icing conditions on bridges and overpasses, particularly the Sunshine Bridge near Donaldsonville. Some bridge or road closures are possible Friday night.

According to Parish President Tommy Martinez, the Ascension Parish Department of Public Works is prepared to distribute sand on parish roadways should the need arise. DPW will coordinate with the state DOTD office to distribute sand on state highways. Local municipalities within Ascension Parish will be responsible for side streets.

"We want to urge our citizens to use caution and common sense," Martinez said. "Hopefully this weather will pass through quickly."

A strong gulf low combined with cold air in place over the region is expected to allow for the development of a mix of rain and snow early this evening before turning completely to snow. Snow accumulations of up to one inch are expected, but the heaviest snow is predicted to fall north of the I-10/I-12 corridor.

Temperatures are expected to warm to about 50 during the day Saturday.

State offices in several parishes closed early Friday. Offices in Allen, Beauregard, Calcasieu, Cameron and Jefferson Davis parishes closed at 2 p.m. Acadia, Evangeline, Lafayette, Iberia, St. Landry, St. Martin, St. Mary and Vermilion parishes closed state offices at 3 p.m.

Workers who commute to those parishes were allowed to leave at 1 p.m.
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1260. xcool
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1259. Inyo
also for those of you on the west coast, a storm is forecast to move into California that will also have snow in unusual places - possibly parts of the Central Valley.
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1258. Inyo
Quoting calusakat:

Neither is worse than the other, both are as bad.

Each is being done with an ulterior motive, in this case the motive is the same...monetary.

It is not hard to see that crunching the numbers to show a positive side to consumption of a fossil fuel generates increased sales. Like wise, shouting in a shrill voice that 'You are all going to die!!' if we don't submit to the AGW mentality, ignoring the cash cow, that is carbon credits (Kind of like the Wizard in that scene in the wizard of Oz where the Wiz says 'Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.') is just the same side of the coin, only from a different angle.

Note that within the AGW there are two sides. One is the scientists who feel they discovered this thing called AGW and the other is the group of opportunists who have found a way to turn this into an opportunity to strike it rich at your and my expense.

Scientists are a lot like engineers...they are focused on their field of study and little else exists outside that world. Talking about GW vs AGW is most likely more of an exchange of concepts for them especially among themselves.

For example, my sister married a man who works in the Disney Corporation and at the wedding, guess what they all talked about? If you guessed, Disney, you would be correct. It was as if there were nothing else in the world to talk about.

We need to separate the two and address those who have a vested interest in the financial side of AGW and excise them from the scientific side. They are killing the climate research side and are doing nothing less than making the scientists the laughing stock of the general world of science not to mention regular people in the rest of the world.


I agree with the last part of this. In fact, I think the science should be removed from policy entirely. The scientists should not be getting involved in politics either way, scientists are generally not good politicians and visa versa. They should be generating data that will be used to set policy. (ie: the problem needs to be determined seperately from the solution). This holds true for all sides of this whole mess. And I don't think that one scientist makes a laughing stock of all scientists, any more than ENRON's actions mean that every single businessman is crooked.
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Oh, we still have it in our forecast, just not the 2 inches+ needed for a Winter Storm Warning...

(I live ~20 miles to his west)
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1256. xcool
THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN NEW ORLEANS HAS ISSUED A WINTER
STORM WARNING FOR SNOW...WHICH IS IN EFFECT UNTIL 6 AM CST SATURDAY.
THE WINTER WEATHER ADVISORY IS NO LONGER IN EFFECT.

this for n.o not slidell la haha
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Quoting xcool:
Tonight: Rain before 9pm, then rain and snow between 9pm and 3am, then a chance of snow after 3am. Low around 33. North wind around 15 mph. Chance of precipitation is 80%. Total nighttime snow accumulation of less than a half inch possible.

Oh boy, Blog Fight Club!

Lord, this is SO much better and more fun than CC/AGW! ISN'T IT, Calus.?
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Quoting xcool:
Tonight: Rain before 9pm, then rain and snow between 9pm and 3am, then a chance of snow after 3am. Low around 33. North wind around 15 mph. Chance of precipitation is 80%. Total nighttime snow accumulation of less than a half inch possible.


I was about to say what Aggie said but I noticed it was forcasted for you.
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Quoting atmoaggie:

It does not include New Orleans or Slidell (home of iceman/xcool)


A-Aggie! How can you be so cruel, to dash hopes and make us face facts? It's like throwing ice water on some happy drunks! (Even though it's in their best interests, LOL!)

You you you scientist, you! :)
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1252. xcool
Tonight: Rain before 9pm, then rain and snow between 9pm and 3am, then a chance of snow after 3am. Low around 33. North wind around 15 mph. Chance of precipitation is 80%. Total nighttime snow accumulation of less than a half inch possible.
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Model forecasts depict some giant storms currently in the North midlatitude Pacific:

GFS - Link Link Link

CMC - Link Link

NOGAPS - Link

UKMET - Link Link
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1250. xcool
atmoaggie ?
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Quoting AwakeInMaryland:
Thank you, Ike. xcool will be SO happy, and I'm happy for him! Wonder if they have plows, ROFL.

THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN NEW ORLEANS HAS ISSUED A WINTER STORM WARNING FOR SNOW...WHICH IS IN EFFECT UNTIL 6 AM CST SATURDAY. THE WINTER WEATHER ADVISORY IS NO LONGER IN EFFECT.

It does not include New Orleans or Slidell (home of iceman/xcool)
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Quoting xcool:
AwakeInMaryland ;) welcome

It's all good! Except now I don't have an excuse to order toxic Omaha Steaks, for container so I can send you snow!
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Oh my gosh, the American student in Italy has been found guilty in the death of her roommate.
So sad; so sick.
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Back to weather: Now this is funny! They're already treating DC roads, and the Mayor is ordering people to clear their steps and walks.
This is for 1 to 2 inches, currently, more maybe in 'burbs. Told you we were wimps!
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Temps are dropping fast here in SWFL too. Down from 65 to 62 in the last 30 minutes. Starting to wonder what happens when that warm front starts lifting north into all this cold air.
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Quoting Inyo:


I agree that transparency is important, as is lack of corruption. But how is hiding anti-gw evidence worse than hiding pro-gw evidence? If it IS occurring, and someone hides the data for years just to sell more oil, then millions of people DO die, well, that's pretty bad news. Not saying that is for sure what is going to happen, but I hope you're pretty darn sure it isn't.

Neither is worse than the other, both are as bad.

Each is being done with an ulterior motive, in this case the motive is the same...monetary.

It is not hard to see that crunching the numbers to show a positive side to consumption of a fossil fuel generates increased sales. Like wise, shouting in a shrill voice that 'You are all going to die!!' if we don't submit to the AGW mentality, ignoring the cash cow, that is carbon credits (Kind of like the Wizard in that scene in the wizard of Oz where the Wiz says 'Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.') is just the same side of the coin, only from a different angle.

Note that within the AGW there are two sides. One is the scientists who feel they discovered this thing called AGW and the other is the group of opportunists who have found a way to turn this into an opportunity to strike it rich at your and my expense.

Scientists are a lot like engineers...they are focused on their field of study and little else exists outside that world. Talking about GW vs AGW is most likely more of an exchange of concepts for them especially among themselves.

For example, my sister married a man who works in the Disney Corporation and at the wedding, guess what they all talked about? If you guessed, Disney, you would be correct. It was as if there were nothing else in the world to talk about.

We need to separate the two and address those who have a vested interest in the financial side of AGW and excise them from the scientific side. They are killing the climate research side and are doing nothing less than making the scientists the laughing stock of the general world of science not to mention regular people in the rest of the world.
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1245. xcool
AwakeInMaryland ;) welcome
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Quoting AwakeInMaryland:
Thank you, Ike. xcool will be SO happy, and I'm happy for him! Wonder if they have plows, ROFL.

THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN NEW ORLEANS HAS ISSUED A WINTER STORM WARNING FOR SNOW...WHICH IS IN EFFECT UNTIL 6 AM CST SATURDAY. THE WINTER WEATHER ADVISORY IS NO LONGER IN EFFECT.


The only place that might have a plow is the Baton Rouge (Ryan Field) AP, I doubt the NO Int'l AP has a plow! Ha, ha, ha!!

Baton Rouge, LA: 0.2 inches of snow/yr 1970-2000 averages

New Orleans, LA: 0.1 inches of snow/yr 1970-2000 averages
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Quoting Grothar:


They only sell Urge in 1.5L bottles, that is more than 50oz. Sorry, the Dude has to go himself and brave the snow and cold.


Too funny. But you can bring home wine! Me, me, please! Shhhhh, don't tell Amy, she might get jealous. Heck, she already has the twins, what more does she want?!
Shame on me when she hasn't been in lately (Na na na na na... hee hee.)
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Quoting atmoaggie:

Actually, the blue doesn't necessarily that it is still snow onces it reaches the surface...

For example, my bro in Spring, TX said it went back to drizzle after noon, which means it was very likely snow that was melting just before it reach surface levels.

Some of that blue is a lie. A lie, I tell ya.


Call it the joys of "weather radar"!

In Arlington, TX, on 12-2-09, we has our "lil'snowfall starter" for the season. Between 7AM-9AM, about 0.3 inches of snow accumulated on roof tops and grassy surfaces. At the end of our "snow evenr", the light snow turned to light drizzle also.
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temps dropping fast down to 44.9 at my station now
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Thank you, Ike. xcool will be SO happy, and I'm happy for him! Wonder if they have plows, ROFL.

THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN NEW ORLEANS HAS ISSUED A WINTER STORM WARNING FOR SNOW...WHICH IS IN EFFECT UNTIL 6 AM CST SATURDAY. THE WINTER WEATHER ADVISORY IS NO LONGER IN EFFECT.
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1239. Grothar
Quoting AwakeInMaryland:


TSA Regulations:

Non-flammable liquid, gel, or aerosol paint

Carry-On
OK - 3.4 ounces (100ml) or smaller container

Checked Baggage
OK

The question that comes to mind is,
Can "Urge" soda pass as Non-Flammable? (:


They only sell Urge in 1.5L bottles, that is more than 50oz. Sorry, the Dude has to go himself and brave the snow and cold.
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It's sleeted and snowed all day in mid Galveston county....not a thing accumalated. melted on contact. It may snow in La but dont be fooled,
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1237. IKE
Winter Storm Warning

URGENT - WINTER WEATHER MESSAGE
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE NEW ORLEANS LA
458 PM CST FRI DEC 4 2009

...A WINTRY MIX OF PRECIPITATION EXPECTED TO IMPACT SOUTHEAST
LOUISIANA AND SOUTHERN MISSISSIPPI THIS EVENING INTO EARLY
SATURDAY MORNING...

.A STRONG GULF LOW...COMBINED WITH COLD AIR IN PLACE OVER THE
REGION WILL ALLOW FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF A WINTRY MIX OF
PRECIPITATION THIS EVENING THROUGH SATURDAY MORNING. AREAS
AFFECTED INCLUDE THE BATON ROUGE METRO...SOUTHWEST MISSISSIPPI...
THE NORTHSHORE OF LAKE PONTCHARTRAIN...AND COASTAL MISSISSIPPI.

LAZ034>038-046>050-MSZ068>070-050700-
/O.UPG.KLIX.WW.Y.0001.091205T0000Z-091205T1200Z/
/O.NEW.KLIX.WS.W.0001.091205T0000Z-091205T1200Z/
POINTE COUPEE-WEST FELICIANA-EAST FELICIANA-ST. HELENA-TANGIPAHOA-
IBERVILLE-WEST BATON ROUGE-EAST BATON ROUGE-ASCENSION-LIVINGSTON-
WILKINSON-AMITE-PIKE-
INCLUDING THE CITIES OF...NEW ROADS...LIVONIA...
ST. FRANCISVILLE...JACKSON...CLINTON...GREENSBURG...MONTPELIER...
HAMMOND...PONCHATOULA...PLAQUEMINE...WHITE CASTLE...PORT ALLEN...
ADDIS...BRUSLY...BATON ROUGE...GONZALES...DONALDSONVILLE...
DENHAM SPRINGS...WALKER...CENTREVILLE...WOODVILLE...GLOSTER...
LIBERTY...CROSBY...MCCOMB
458 PM CST FRI DEC 4 2009

...WINTER STORM WARNING IN EFFECT UNTIL 6 AM CST SATURDAY...

THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN NEW ORLEANS HAS ISSUED A WINTER
STORM WARNING FOR SNOW...WHICH IS IN EFFECT UNTIL 6 AM CST SATURDAY.
THE WINTER WEATHER ADVISORY IS NO LONGER IN EFFECT.

A MIX OF RAIN AND SNOW WILL BEGIN TO DEVELOP EARLY THIS EVENING
BEFORE TURNING COMPLETELY TO SNOW OVER AREAS ALONG AND NORTH OF
THE I-12 CORRIDOR AND EAST OF THE I-55 CORRIDOR. SNOW WILL FIRST
FORM THIS EVENING OVER SOUTHWEST MISSISSIPPI AND THE BATON ROUGE
METRO BEFORE SPREADING EAST ACROSS THE FLORIDA PARISHES. THE MAJOR
CONCERN ASSOCIATED WITH THIS WINTER WEATHER WILL BE MODERATE TO
HEAVY SNOW FOR A SHORT DURATION LEADING TO LOWERED VISIBILITIES
AND DANGEROUS ICING CONDITIONS MAINLY ON BRIDGES AND OVERPASSES.
SNOW FALL ACCUMULATIONS IN THE WARNING AREA WILL BE AROUND ONE TO
AS MUCH AS THREE INCHES. ALL SNOW SHOULD QUICKLY TAPER OFF AROUND
3 AM.

PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...

A WINTER STORM WARNING MEANS SIGNIFICANT AMOUNTS OF SNOW...
SLEET...AND ICE ARE EXPECTED OR OCCURRING. STRONG WINDS ARE ALSO
POSSIBLE. THIS WILL MAKE TRAVEL VERY HAZARDOUS OR IMPOSSIBLE.

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Geez-O-Pete, xcool, have you gotten your gosh-darn SNOW yet??

I'm 'bout to order some toxic Omaha Steaks just so I can get the container and MAIL you some when we get it!!

And eat those yummy Toxic Steaks, too -- how could it possibly make any difference living outside DC, cough, choke, rush hour exhaust 3p to 7p.

REMINDER: A Muppet's Christmas, 8 pm, EST

Point Spread, Saints v Deadskins has gone up to 9.5. Will anybody give me 30?
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Quoting Bordonaro:


Not sure, follow the "beautiful blue on the color radars". It will be close.

Actually, the blue doesn't necessarily that it is still snow onces it reaches the surface...

For example, my bro in Spring, TX said it went back to drizzle after noon, which means it was very likely snow that was melting just before it reach surface levels.

Some of that blue is a lie. A lie, I tell ya.
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Quoting tornadodude:


Urge soda.... :P


TSA Regulations:

Non-flammable liquid, gel, or aerosol paint

Carry-On
OK - 3.4 ounces (100ml) or smaller container

Checked Baggage
OK

The question that comes to mind is,
Can "Urge" soda pass as Non-Flammable? (:
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1233. xcool
rigth in b.r 30temp
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Quoting Drakoen:
GFS 18z:






Cold air better start plunging south quick, i like this forecast model!
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1231. xcool
gfs nail it and nam model
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1230. xcool
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1229. Drakoen
GFS 18z:




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1228. RTLSNK
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1227. GBguy88
12/04/2009 0428 PM

Vinton, Calcasieu Parish.

Snow e0.0 inch, reported by law enforcement.


Heavy snow falling in Vinton reported by police chief
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1226. GBguy88
Quoting ElConando:
45 degrees in Tally and its only 5:20. Wonder if the temp will plummet once the sun goes fully down.


I'm wondering the same thing. Already in the 40s here in Pensacola. Forecast for Mobile is now calling for up to an inch of snow. Areas across TX & LA with temps in the mid 30s are getting snow...who knows. I'd be happy to see even a brief snow shower.
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