Heavy snowfall in a warming world

By: Dr. Jeff Masters , 3:29 PM GMT on February 08, 2010

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A major new winter storm is headed east over the U.S. today, and threatens to dump a foot or more of snow on Philadelphia, New York City, and surrounding regions Tuesday and Wednesday. Philadelphia is still digging out from its second top-ten snowstorm of recorded history to hit the city this winter, and the streets are going to begin looking like canyons if this week's snowstorm adds a significant amount of snow to the incredible 28.5" that fell during "Snowmageddon" last Friday and Saturday. Philadelphia has had two snowstorms exceeding 23" this winter. According to the National Climatic Data Center, the return period for a 22+ inch snow storm is once every 100 years--and we've had two 100-year snow storms in Philadelphia this winter. It is true that if the winter pattern of jet stream location, sea surface temperatures, etc, are suitable for a 100-year storm to form, that will increase the chances for a second such storm to occur that same year, and thus the odds have having two 100-year storms the same year are not 1 in 10,000. Still, the two huge snowstorms this winter in the Mid-Atlantic are definitely a very rare event one should see only once every few hundred years, and is something that has not occurred since modern records began in 1870. The situation is similar for Baltimore and Washington D.C. According to the National Climatic Data Center, the expected return period in the Washington D.C./Baltimore region for snowstorms with more than 16 inches of snow is about once every 25 years. This one-two punch of two major Nor'easters in one winter with 16+ inches of snow is unprecedented in the historical record for the region, which goes back to the late 1800s.


Figure 1. Car buried in Virginia by "Snowmageddon" on February 8, 2010. Image credit: wunderphotographer Brabus Cave.

Top 9 snowstorms on record for Philadelphia:

1. 30.7", Jan 7-8, 1996
2. 28.5", Feb 5-6, 2010 (Snowmageddon)
3. 23.2", Dec 19-20, 2009 (Snowpocalypse)
4. 21.3", Feb 11-12, 1983
5. 21.0", Dec 25-26, 1909
6. 19.4", Apr 3-4, 1915
7. 18.9", Feb 12-14, 1899
8. 16.7", Jan 22-24, 1935
9. 15.1", Feb 28-Mar 1, 1941

The top 10 snowstorms on record for Baltimore:

1. 28.2", Feb 15-18, 2003
2. 26.5", Jan 27-29, 1922
3. 24.8", Feb 5-6, 2010 (Snowmageddon)
4. 22.8", Feb 11-12, 1983
5. 22.5", Jan 7-8, 1996
6. 22.0", Mar 29-30, 1942
7. 21.4", Feb 11-14, 1899
8. 21.0", Dec 19-20, 2009 (Snowpocalypse)
9. 20.0", Feb 18-19, 1979
10. 16.0", Mar 15-18, 1892

The top 10 snowstorms on record for Washington, D.C.:

1. 28.0", Jan 27-28, 1922
2. 20.5", Feb 11-13, 1899
3. 18.7", Feb 18-19, 1979
4. 17.8" Feb 5-6, 2010 (Snowmageddon)
5. 17.1", Jan 6-8, 1996
6. 16.7", Feb 15-18, 2003
7. 16.6", Feb 11-12, 1983
8. 16.4", Dec 19-20, 2009 (Snowpocalypse)
9. 14.4", Feb 15-16, 1958
10. 14.4", Feb 7, 1936

Heavy snow events--a contradiction to global warming theory?
Global warming skeptics regularly have a field day whenever a record snow storm pounds the U.S., claiming that such events are inconsistent with a globe that is warming. If the globe is warming, there should, on average, be fewer days when it snows, and thus fewer snow storms. However, it is possible that if climate change is simultaneously causing an increase in ratio of snowstorms with very heavy snow to storms with ordinary amounts of snow, we could actually see an increase in very heavy snowstorms in some portions of the world. There is evidence that this is happening for winter storms in the Northeast U.S.--the mighty Nor'easters like the "Snowmageddon" storm of February 5-6 and "Snowpocalypse" of December 19, 2009. Let's take a look at the evidence. There are two requirements for a record snow storm:

1) A near-record amount of moisture in the air (or a very slow moving storm).
2) Temperatures cold enough for snow.

It's not hard at all to get temperatures cold enough for snow in a world experiencing global warming. According to the 2007 Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) report, the globe warmed 0.74°C (1.3°F) over the past 100 years. There will still be colder than average winters in a world that is experiencing warming, with plenty of opportunities for snow. The more difficult ingredient for producing a record snowstorm is the requirement of near-record levels of moisture. Global warming theory predicts that global precipitation will increase, and that heavy precipitation events--the ones most likely to cause flash flooding--will also increase. This occurs because as the climate warms, evaporation of moisture from the oceans increases, resulting in more water vapor in the air. According to the 2007 Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) report, water vapor in the global atmosphere has increased by about 5% over the 20th century, and 4% since 1970. This extra moisture in the air will tend to produce heavier snowstorms, assuming it is cold enough to snow. Groisman et al. (2004) found a 14% increase in heavy (top 5%) and 20% increase in very heavy (top 1%) precipitation events in the U.S. over the past 100 years, though mainly in spring and summer. However, the authors did find a significant increase in winter heavy precipitation events have occurred in the Northeast U.S. This was echoed by Changnon et al. (2006), who found, "The temporal distribution of snowstorms exhibited wide fluctuations during 1901-2000, with downward 100-yr trends in the lower Midwest, South, and West Coast. Upward trends occurred in the upper Midwest, East, and Northeast, and the national trend for 1901-2000 was upward, corresponding to trends in strong cyclonic activity."

The strongest cold-season storms are likely to become stronger and more frequent for the U.S.
The U.S. Global Change Research Program (USGCRP) began as a presidential initiative in 1989 and was mandated by Congress in the Global Change Research Act of 1990 (P.L. 101-606), which called for "a comprehensive and integrated United States research program which will assist the Nation and the world to understand, assess, predict, and respond to human-induced and natural processes of global change." This program has put out some excellent peer-reviewed science on climate change that, in my view, is as authoritative as the U.N.-sponsored Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) reports. In 2009, the USGCRP put out its excellent U.S. Climate Impacts Report, summarizing the observed and forecast impacts of climate change on the U.S. The report's main conclusion about cold season storms was " Cold-season storm tracks are shifting northward and the strongest storms are likely to become stronger and more frequent".

The report's more detailed analysis: "Large-scale storm systems are the dominant weather phenomenon during the cold season in the United States. Although the analysis of these storms is complicated by a relatively short length of most observational records and by the highly variable nature of strong storms, some clear patterns have emerged (Kunkel et al., 2008).

Storm tracks have shifted northward over the last 50 years as evidenced by a decrease in the frequency of storms in mid-latitude areas of the Northern Hemisphere, while high-latitude activity has increased. There is also evidence of an increase in the intensity of storms in both the mid- and high-latitude areas of the Northern Hemisphere, with greater confidence in the increases occurring in high latitudes (Kunkel et al., 2008). The northward shift is projected to continue, and strong cold season storms are likely to become stronger and more frequent, with greater wind speeds and more extreme wave heights".
The study also noted that we should expect an increase in lake-effect snowstorms over the next few decades. Lake-effect snow is produced by the strong flow of cold air across large areas of relatively warmer ice-free water. The report says, "As the climate has warmed, ice coverage on the Great Lakes has fallen. The maximum seasonal coverage of Great Lakes ice decreased at a rate of 8.4 percent per decade from 1973 through 2008, amounting to a roughly 30 percent decrease in ice coverage. This has created conditions conducive to greater evaporation of moisture and thus heavier snowstorms. Among recent extreme lake-effect snow events was a February 2007 10-day storm total of over 10 feet of snow in western New York state. Climate models suggest that lake-effect snowfalls are likely to increase over the next few decades. In the longer term, lake-effect snows are likely to decrease as temperatures continue to rise, with the precipitation then falling as rain".


Figure 2. The annual average number of snowstorms with a 6 inch (15.2 cm) or greater accumulation, from the years 1901 - 2001. A value of 0.1 means an average of one 6+ inch snowstorm every ten years. Image credit: Changnon, S.A., D. Changnon, and T.R. Karl, 2006, Temporal and Spatial Characteristics of Snowstorms in the Contiguous United States, J. Applied Meteorology and Climatology, 45, 8, pp. 1141-1155, DOI: 10.1175/JAM2395.1.

More heavy snowstorms occur in warmer-than-average years
Another interesting result from the Changnon et al. (2006) paper (Figure 2) is the relationship between heavy snowstorms and the average winter temperature. For the contiguous U.S. between 1900 - 2001, the authors found that 61% - 80% of all heavy snowstorms of 6+ inches occurred during winters with above normal temperatures. In other words, the old adage, "it's too cold to snow", has some truth to it. The authors also found that 61% - 85% of all heavy snowstorms of 6+ inches occurred during winters that were wetter than average. The authors conclude, "a future with wetter and warmer winters, which is one outcome expected (National Assessment Synthesis Team 2001), will bring more heavy snowstorms of 6+ inches than in 1901 - 2000. The authors found that over the U.S. as a whole, there had been a slight but significant increase in heavy snowstorms of 6+ inches between 1901 - 2000. However, a separate paper by Houston and Changnon (2009), "Characteristics of the top ten snowstorms at First-Order Stations in the U.S.", found that there was no upward or downward trend in the very heaviest snowstorms for the contiguous U.S. between 1948 - 2001, as evaluated by looking at the top ten snowstorms for 121 major cities.

Commentary
One can "load the dice" in favor of events that used to be rare--or unheard of--if the climate is changing to a new state. It is quite possible that nature's weather dice have been loaded in favor of more intense Nor'easters for the U.S. Mid-Atlantic and Northeast, thanks to the higher levels of moisture present in the air due to warmer global temperatures. It's worth mentioning that heavy snow storms should be getting increasingly rare for the extreme southern portion of the U.S. in coming decades. There's almost always high amounts of moisture available for a potential heavy snow in the South--just not enough cold air. With freezing temperatures expected to decrease and the jet stream and associated storm track expected to move northward, the extreme southern portion of the U.S. should see a reduction in both heavy and ordinary snow storms in the coming decades.

The CapitalClimate blog has a nice perspective on "Snowmageddon", and Joe Romm of climateprogress.org has some interesting things to say about snowstorms in a warming climate.

References
Changnon, S.A., D. Changnon, and T.R. Karl, 2006, , "Temporal and Spatial Characteristics of Snowstorms in the Contiguous United States", J. Appl. Meteor. Climatol., 45, 1141.1155.

Groisman, P.Y., R.W. Knight, T.R. Karl, D.R. Easterling, B. Sun, and J.H. Lawrimore, 2004, "Contemporary Changes of the Hydrological Cycle over the Contiguous United States: Trends Derived from In Situ Observations," J. Hydrometeor., 5, 64-85.

Kunkel, K.E., P.D. Bromirski, H.E. Brooks, T. Cavazos, A.V. Douglas, D.R. Easterling, K.A. Emanuel, P.Ya. Groisman, G.J. Holland, T.R. Knutson, J.P. Kossin, P.D. Komar, D.H. Levinson, and R.L. Smith, 2008: Observed changes in weather and climate extremes. In: Weather and Climate Extremes in a Changing Climate: Regions of Focus: North America, Hawaii, Caribbean, and U.S. Pacific Islands [Karl, T.R., G.A. Meehl, C.D. Miller, S.J. Hassol, A.M. Waple, and W.L. Murray (eds.)]. Synthesis and Assessment Product 3.3. U.S. Climate Change Science Program, Washington, DC, pp. 35-80.

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Quoting BobinTampa:
how come we have a Fire Weather Warning when it is pouring rain outside?
becuse after the freezes (or close to) that we have had, a lot of the vegetation is dead. one strike of lightning would like the dead vegetaion :-) wondered the same thing until someone else asked earlier too, and then I learned!
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Well, the break in the bickering was fun while it lasted...
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Quoting Grothar:


Hey, Dan, if you ever need a translation, just call on me, I would be glad to help out. See why Google translations never come out correctly. LOLOLOL

Yeah the transalation was not so bad, funny article though - 90% of the sidewalks are come with ice ;) Peopel didn't expected this ... very unusal winter.
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Quoting StSimonsIslandGAGuy:
Actually, we do know that carbon dioxide causes global heating, and it is a fact. It has been known for 150 years that without CO2, the earth would have an average temperature of ~ 5 Fahrenheit. It is possible that some sort of negative feedback could negate global heating as our emissions of CO2 and the amount in the atmosphere continue to increase, but I see no evidence of that.


Not fact sorry. It takes hundreds of years for C02 to affect temperature so you are utterly wrong.
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Quoting CaneWarning:
Here is an article about how many over the "peer reviewed" studies are unethical and wouldn't be allowed in most professions.

Link

Cane it is now about acting to prevent the worst, face it. If you really would have concerns you would go here http://climate.gov and read. Period.
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Hey everyone..
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1202. Grothar
Quoting PcolaDan:


This from a Google translation of the page the pictures cam from. Kind of funny.

But perhaps the icy state of exception is again only a brilliant advertisement for the German capital. Berlinale on Ice - superglatt, aber sexy! Berlinale on Ice - super smooth, but sexy!

We should still remain stolen Cannes with his stupid palm trees and a fortiori Venice, this collection of singing gondoliers! Berlinale, Berlin, and his other hand, are the summit of Mount Everest at the film festivals in the world. The rest is the right equipment.

It's all about being prepared!

Peoples of the world, attending the Berlinale: Look at this city! Bring crampons, spikes, hooks and climbing shoes, hats and helmets - and you'll have an unforgettable experience.

Promise! Just be Berlin!


Hey, Dan, if you ever need a translation, just call on me, I would be glad to help out. See why Google translations never come out correctly. LOLOLOL
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Here is an article about how many of the "peer reviewed" studies are unethical and wouldn't be allowed in most professions.

Not to mention the fact that these "scientists" try to censor those who disagree with them.

Link
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how come we have a Fire Weather Warning when it is pouring rain outside?
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1199. NRAamy
dashboard cow man...too bad the cow can't travel with you as well! I'd love to see some new photos!!!

:)
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Quoting pegleg666:
Dr. Jeff, your bias is REALLY obvious! "Climate change contrarians and climate change scientists." I could as easily argue that it is the contrarians who are in it for the politics.


He has never pretended not to have a bias...
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An interesting little video on CO2 and global warming:

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Quoting drg0dOwnCountry:

Do you actualy read the article you linked?


After rising rapidly during the first part of the 20th century, global average temperatures did cool by about 0.2°C after 1940 and remained low until 1970, after which they began to climb rapidly again.

The mid-century cooling appears to have been largely due to a high concentration of sulphate aerosols in the atmosphere, emitted by industrial activities and volcanic eruptions. Sulphate aerosols have a cooling effect on the climate because they scatter light from the Sun, reflecting its energy back out into space.


Yeah, I linked the wrong article and revised my post.
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Dr. Jeff, your bias is REALLY obvious! "Climate change contrarians and climate change scientists." I could as easily argue that it is the contrarians who are in it for the politics.
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Quoting NRAamy:
1171. drg0dOwnCountry 12:05 PM PST on February 09, 2010
Quoting NRAamy:
Vader...seriously?! That's ice?! Damn, that's some cold weather!!!!!!!

All over the place in northern parts. Freezing since 7 or 8 weeks here. After a little melt last week at around 0C it went s l e e p e r y ;)


my husband is from England...he still has family there...I wonder if they are experiencing the same cold weather?



Talk with my friends in Basingstoke England all the time. (Headed that way this summer) They are about an hour west of London, and have had a horrible winter. They too have had a lot of schools days off because of snow and have run out of salt, or whatever they use.
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Quoting CaneWarning:
And another study that shows CO2 does not cause global warming.

Link

Do you actualy read the article you linked?


After rising rapidly during the first part of the 20th century, global average temperatures did cool by about 0.2°C after 1940 and remained low until 1970, after which they began to climb rapidly again.

The mid-century cooling appears to have been largely due to a high concentration of sulphate aerosols in the atmosphere, emitted by industrial activities and volcanic eruptions. Sulphate aerosols have a cooling effect on the climate because they scatter light from the Sun, reflecting its energy back out into space.
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The latest CMC is bringing some snow into my area a few days out. However, it appears that the CMC also may be the cold outlier.


@ 66 hours.


@ 72 hours.
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Quoting JFLORIDA:


I didnt mention liberals and here is a source -


India reaffirms opposition to binding carbon cuts

This is common knowledge.

You said we need to quit the UN. I dont even know what that is about.


The U.N. started the IPCC so I say we should leave it not just because of that we just should.
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The NWS Baltimore/DC shows the Northern Regions of their watch area are still expecting 10-20".

Southern Regions in the NWS Balt/DC area are expecting 7-14":

URGENT - WINTER WEATHER MESSAGE
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE BALTIMORE MD/WASHINGTON DC
251 PM EST TUE FEB 9 2010

MDZ003>007-009>011-013-014-100400-
/O.CON.KLWX.WS.W.0007.000000T0000Z-100211T0000Z/
WASHINGTON-FREDERICK MD-CARROLL-NORTHERN BALTIMORE-HARFORD-
MONTGOMERY-HOWARD-SOUTHERN BALTIMORE-PRINCE GEORGES-ANNE ARUNDEL-
INCLUDING THE CITIES OF...HAGERSTOWN...FREDERICK...WESTMINSTER...
GAITHERSBURG...COLUMBIA...BALTIMORE...ANNAPOLIS
251 PM EST TUE FEB 9 2010

...WINTER STORM WARNING REMAINS IN EFFECT UNTIL 7 PM EST
WEDNESDAY...

A WINTER STORM WARNING REMAINS IN EFFECT UNTIL 7 PM EST
WEDNESDAY.

* PRECIPITATION TYPE...SNOW.

* ACCUMULATIONS...10 TO 20 INCHES.

* TIMING...SNOW WILL OVERSPREAD THE AREA BY LATE THIS AFTERNOON
AND CONTINUE THROUGH WEDNESDAY.

* TEMPERATURES...UPPER 20S TO LOWER 30S LATE THIS AFTERNOON.
TEMPERATURES WILL DROP INTO THE MID 20S TONIGHT AND WILL REMAIN
NEARLY STATIONARY WEDNESDAY.

* WINDS...LIGHT SOUTHEAST THIS AFTERNOON BECOMING NORTHEAST
TONIGHT. WINDS WILL BECOME NORTHWEST WEDNESDAY AND INCREASE TO
20 TO 30 MPH WITH GUSTS OVER 45 MPH. BLOWING AND DRIFTING SNOW
WEDNESDAY WILL REDUCE VISIBILITIES BELOW ONE HALF MILE AT
TIMES...CREATING NEAR BLIZZARD CONDITIONS.

PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...

A WINTER STORM WARNING MEANS SIGNIFICANT AMOUNTS OF SNOW ARE
EXPECTED OR OCCURRING. THE COMBINATION OF SNOW AND STRONG WINDS
WILL MAKE TRAVEL VERY HAZARDOUS.
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Quoting drg0dOwnCountry:
Ice in germany



This from a Google translation of the page the pictures cam from. Kind of funny.

But perhaps the icy state of exception is again only a brilliant advertisement for the German capital. Berlinale on Ice - superglatt, aber sexy! Berlinale on Ice - super smooth, but sexy!

We should still remain stolen Cannes with his stupid palm trees and a fortiori Venice, this collection of singing gondoliers! Berlinale, Berlin, and his other hand, are the summit of Mount Everest at the film festivals in the world. The rest is the right equipment.

It's all about being prepared!

Peoples of the world, attending the Berlinale: Look at this city! Bring crampons, spikes, hooks and climbing shoes, hats and helmets - and you'll have an unforgettable experience.

Promise! Just be Berlin!
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CO2 and Global Warming discussed...

Link
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1182. NRAamy
drg...I forgot! His daughter's house...the pipes DID burst!!!! I think a couple of weeks ago....

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We do not know that CO2 causes global warming. That is a hypothesis, but not a fact.

Link
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everyone has an agenda...it's the nature of things...
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Quoting NRAamy:
my husband is from England...he still has family there...I wonder if they are experiencing the same cold weather?


Insurers warn again about burst pipes as another cold spell descends on UK
http://www.everyinvestor.co.uk/personal-finance/insurance/insurers-warn-again-about-burst-pipes-as- another-c

Consumer rights: Burst pipe leaves floor in an expensive mess

Water damage from a washing machine puts a homeowner in a dilemma over repairs...What happens if your employer hasn't paid your tax and pension?
http://www.independent.co.uk/money/spend-save/consumer-rights-burst-pipe-leaves-floor-in-an-expensi ve-mess-1891483.html
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The Weather Show with Shaun and Tim coming up @ 4P EST...
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China is also calling for reform of the IPCC.

Link
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1175. NRAamy
1171. drg0dOwnCountry 12:05 PM PST on February 09, 2010
Quoting NRAamy:
Vader...seriously?! That's ice?! Damn, that's some cold weather!!!!!!!

All over the place in northern parts. Freezing since 7 or 8 weeks here. After a little melt last week at around 0C it went s l e e p e r y ;)


my husband is from England...he still has family there...I wonder if they are experiencing the same cold weather?

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Quoting JFLORIDA:


What are you talking abut - ive never discussed legislation here. This is why problems happen.

Pulling out of the UN is not related to this.

If you are against legislation say so and why.


You said India has an agenda and I said the Liberals in this nation have an agenda. That is Fact!
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I bet India won't be the last country to pull out of the IPCC.
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Quoting NRAamy:
Vader...seriously?! That's ice?! Damn, that's some cold weather!!!!!!!

All over the place in northern parts. Freezing since 7 or 8 weeks here. After a little melt last week at around 0C it went s l i p p e r y ;)
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Quoting CaneWarning:
1162. That's one issue that is a problem on this blog. You present information that disagrees with AGW, and they find some way to try to discredit it. Either it isn't peer-reviewed, it's political, it's published by a group they disagree with etc. It's always the same. However, in reality, it's the IPCC who spreads non-peer reviewed information it found in some student's dissertation.


I was going to send my English 1301 paper on MMGW hoax to the IPCC and was hoping it would get published but I guess that's out of the question now that people figured them out.
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I hope their power lines are underground there. That's alot of ice.
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Quoting drg0dOwnCountry:
Ice in germany



That doesn't look like fun
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1162. That's one issue that is a problem on this blog. You present information that disagrees with AGW, and they find some way to try to discredit it. Either it isn't peer-reviewed, it's political, it's published by a group they disagree with etc. It's always the same. However, in reality, it's the IPCC who spreads non-peer reviewed information it found in some student's dissertation.
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1165. NRAamy
Vader...seriously?! That's ice?! Damn, that's some cold weather!!!!!!!
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Ice in germany

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Well said.
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Quoting JFLORIDA:
The problem whth the Indian government climate reports is that they are edited to be in line with an India's agenda. Not only is there no peer review but they issue a disclaimer last year that their reports do not necessarily agree with climate scientists.

That and the Himalayan glacier mistake is become something of a war of words between India and the IPCC chair.


And the U.S. liberals don't have an agenda? The U.N.? They just want the best for people? The best thing for countries to do is pull out of the U.N.
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