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Heavy snowfall in a warming world
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 3:29 PM GMT on February 08, 2010 +8
A major new winter storm is headed east over the U.S. today, and threatens to dump a foot or more of snow on Philadelphia, New York City, and surrounding regions Tuesday and Wednesday. Philadelphia is still digging out from its second top-ten snowstorm of recorded history to hit the city this winter, and the streets are going to begin looking like canyons if this week's snowstorm adds a significant amount of snow to the incredible 28.5" that fell during "Snowmageddon" last Friday and Saturday. Philadelphia has had two snowstorms exceeding 23" this winter. According to the National Climatic Data Center, the return period for a 22+ inch snow storm is once every 100 years--and we've had two 100-year snow storms in Philadelphia this winter. It is true that if the winter pattern of jet stream location, sea surface temperatures, etc, are suitable for a 100-year storm to form, that will increase the chances for a second such storm to occur that same year, and thus the odds have having two 100-year storms the same year are not 1 in 10,000. Still, the two huge snowstorms this winter in the Mid-Atlantic are definitely a very rare event one should see only once every few hundred years, and is something that has not occurred since modern records began in 1870. The situation is similar for Baltimore and Washington D.C. According to the National Climatic Data Center, the expected return period in the Washington D.C./Baltimore region for snowstorms with more than 16 inches of snow is about once every 25 years. This one-two punch of two major Nor'easters in one winter with 16+ inches of snow is unprecedented in the historical record for the region, which goes back to the late 1800s.


Figure 1. Car buried in Virginia by "Snowmageddon" on February 8, 2010. Image credit: wunderphotographer Brabus Cave.

Top 9 snowstorms on record for Philadelphia:

1. 30.7", Jan 7-8, 1996
2. 28.5", Feb 5-6, 2010 (Snowmageddon)
3. 23.2", Dec 19-20, 2009 (Snowpocalypse)
4. 21.3", Feb 11-12, 1983
5. 21.0", Dec 25-26, 1909
6. 19.4", Apr 3-4, 1915
7. 18.9", Feb 12-14, 1899
8. 16.7", Jan 22-24, 1935
9. 15.1", Feb 28-Mar 1, 1941

The top 10 snowstorms on record for Baltimore:

1. 28.2", Feb 15-18, 2003
2. 26.5", Jan 27-29, 1922
3. 24.8", Feb 5-6, 2010 (Snowmageddon)
4. 22.8", Feb 11-12, 1983
5. 22.5", Jan 7-8, 1996
6. 22.0", Mar 29-30, 1942
7. 21.4", Feb 11-14, 1899
8. 21.0", Dec 19-20, 2009 (Snowpocalypse)
9. 20.0", Feb 18-19, 1979
10. 16.0", Mar 15-18, 1892

The top 10 snowstorms on record for Washington, D.C.:

1. 28.0", Jan 27-28, 1922
2. 20.5", Feb 11-13, 1899
3. 18.7", Feb 18-19, 1979
4. 17.8" Feb 5-6, 2010 (Snowmageddon)
5. 17.1", Jan 6-8, 1996
6. 16.7", Feb 15-18, 2003
7. 16.6", Feb 11-12, 1983
8. 16.4", Dec 19-20, 2009 (Snowpocalypse)
9. 14.4", Feb 15-16, 1958
10. 14.4", Feb 7, 1936

Heavy snow events--a contradiction to global warming theory?
Global warming skeptics regularly have a field day whenever a record snow storm pounds the U.S., claiming that such events are inconsistent with a globe that is warming. If the globe is warming, there should, on average, be fewer days when it snows, and thus fewer snow storms. However, it is possible that if climate change is simultaneously causing an increase in ratio of snowstorms with very heavy snow to storms with ordinary amounts of snow, we could actually see an increase in very heavy snowstorms in some portions of the world. There is evidence that this is happening for winter storms in the Northeast U.S.--the mighty Nor'easters like the "Snowmageddon" storm of February 5-6 and "Snowpocalypse" of December 19, 2009. Let's take a look at the evidence. There are two requirements for a record snow storm:

1) A near-record amount of moisture in the air (or a very slow moving storm).
2) Temperatures cold enough for snow.

It's not hard at all to get temperatures cold enough for snow in a world experiencing global warming. According to the 2007 Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) report, the globe warmed 0.74°C (1.3°F) over the past 100 years. There will still be colder than average winters in a world that is experiencing warming, with plenty of opportunities for snow. The more difficult ingredient for producing a record snowstorm is the requirement of near-record levels of moisture. Global warming theory predicts that global precipitation will increase, and that heavy precipitation events--the ones most likely to cause flash flooding--will also increase. This occurs because as the climate warms, evaporation of moisture from the oceans increases, resulting in more water vapor in the air. According to the 2007 Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) report, water vapor in the global atmosphere has increased by about 5% over the 20th century, and 4% since 1970. This extra moisture in the air will tend to produce heavier snowstorms, assuming it is cold enough to snow. Groisman et al. (2004) found a 14% increase in heavy (top 5%) and 20% increase in very heavy (top 1%) precipitation events in the U.S. over the past 100 years, though mainly in spring and summer. However, the authors did find a significant increase in winter heavy precipitation events have occurred in the Northeast U.S. This was echoed by Changnon et al. (2006), who found, "The temporal distribution of snowstorms exhibited wide fluctuations during 1901-2000, with downward 100-yr trends in the lower Midwest, South, and West Coast. Upward trends occurred in the upper Midwest, East, and Northeast, and the national trend for 1901-2000 was upward, corresponding to trends in strong cyclonic activity."

The strongest cold-season storms are likely to become stronger and more frequent for the U.S.
The U.S. Global Change Research Program (USGCRP) began as a presidential initiative in 1989 and was mandated by Congress in the Global Change Research Act of 1990 (P.L. 101-606), which called for "a comprehensive and integrated United States research program which will assist the Nation and the world to understand, assess, predict, and respond to human-induced and natural processes of global change." This program has put out some excellent peer-reviewed science on climate change that, in my view, is as authoritative as the U.N.-sponsored Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) reports. In 2009, the USGCRP put out its excellent U.S. Climate Impacts Report, summarizing the observed and forecast impacts of climate change on the U.S. The report's main conclusion about cold season storms was " Cold-season storm tracks are shifting northward and the strongest storms are likely to become stronger and more frequent".

The report's more detailed analysis: "Large-scale storm systems are the dominant weather phenomenon during the cold season in the United States. Although the analysis of these storms is complicated by a relatively short length of most observational records and by the highly variable nature of strong storms, some clear patterns have emerged (Kunkel et al., 2008).

Storm tracks have shifted northward over the last 50 years as evidenced by a decrease in the frequency of storms in mid-latitude areas of the Northern Hemisphere, while high-latitude activity has increased. There is also evidence of an increase in the intensity of storms in both the mid- and high-latitude areas of the Northern Hemisphere, with greater confidence in the increases occurring in high latitudes (Kunkel et al., 2008). The northward shift is projected to continue, and strong cold season storms are likely to become stronger and more frequent, with greater wind speeds and more extreme wave heights".
The study also noted that we should expect an increase in lake-effect snowstorms over the next few decades. Lake-effect snow is produced by the strong flow of cold air across large areas of relatively warmer ice-free water. The report says, "As the climate has warmed, ice coverage on the Great Lakes has fallen. The maximum seasonal coverage of Great Lakes ice decreased at a rate of 8.4 percent per decade from 1973 through 2008, amounting to a roughly 30 percent decrease in ice coverage. This has created conditions conducive to greater evaporation of moisture and thus heavier snowstorms. Among recent extreme lake-effect snow events was a February 2007 10-day storm total of over 10 feet of snow in western New York state. Climate models suggest that lake-effect snowfalls are likely to increase over the next few decades. In the longer term, lake-effect snows are likely to decrease as temperatures continue to rise, with the precipitation then falling as rain".


Figure 2. The annual average number of snowstorms with a 6 inch (15.2 cm) or greater accumulation, from the years 1901 - 2001. A value of 0.1 means an average of one 6+ inch snowstorm every ten years. Image credit: Changnon, S.A., D. Changnon, and T.R. Karl, 2006, Temporal and Spatial Characteristics of Snowstorms in the Contiguous United States, J. Applied Meteorology and Climatology, 45, 8, pp. 1141-1155, DOI: 10.1175/JAM2395.1.

More heavy snowstorms occur in warmer-than-average years
Another interesting result from the Changnon et al. (2006) paper (Figure 2) is the relationship between heavy snowstorms and the average winter temperature. For the contiguous U.S. between 1900 - 2001, the authors found that 61% - 80% of all heavy snowstorms of 6+ inches occurred during winters with above normal temperatures. In other words, the old adage, "it's too cold to snow", has some truth to it. The authors also found that 61% - 85% of all heavy snowstorms of 6+ inches occurred during winters that were wetter than average. The authors conclude, "a future with wetter and warmer winters, which is one outcome expected (National Assessment Synthesis Team 2001), will bring more heavy snowstorms of 6+ inches than in 1901 - 2000. The authors found that over the U.S. as a whole, there had been a slight but significant increase in heavy snowstorms of 6+ inches between 1901 - 2000. However, a separate paper by Houston and Changnon (2009), "Characteristics of the top ten snowstorms at First-Order Stations in the U.S.", found that there was no upward or downward trend in the very heaviest snowstorms for the contiguous U.S. between 1948 - 2001, as evaluated by looking at the top ten snowstorms for 121 major cities.

Commentary
One can "load the dice" in favor of events that used to be rare--or unheard of--if the climate is changing to a new state. It is quite possible that nature's weather dice have been loaded in favor of more intense Nor'easters for the U.S. Mid-Atlantic and Northeast, thanks to the higher levels of moisture present in the air due to warmer global temperatures. It's worth mentioning that heavy snow storms should be getting increasingly rare for the extreme southern portion of the U.S. in coming decades. There's almost always high amounts of moisture available for a potential heavy snow in the South--just not enough cold air. With freezing temperatures expected to decrease and the jet stream and associated storm track expected to move northward, the extreme southern portion of the U.S. should see a reduction in both heavy and ordinary snow storms in the coming decades.

The CapitalClimate blog has a nice perspective on "Snowmageddon", and Joe Romm of climateprogress.org has some interesting things to say about snowstorms in a warming climate.

References
Changnon, S.A., D. Changnon, and T.R. Karl, 2006, , "Temporal and Spatial Characteristics of Snowstorms in the Contiguous United States", J. Appl. Meteor. Climatol., 45, 1141.1155.

Groisman, P.Y., R.W. Knight, T.R. Karl, D.R. Easterling, B. Sun, and J.H. Lawrimore, 2004, "Contemporary Changes of the Hydrological Cycle over the Contiguous United States: Trends Derived from In Situ Observations," J. Hydrometeor., 5, 64-85.

Kunkel, K.E., P.D. Bromirski, H.E. Brooks, T. Cavazos, A.V. Douglas, D.R. Easterling, K.A. Emanuel, P.Ya. Groisman, G.J. Holland, T.R. Knutson, J.P. Kossin, P.D. Komar, D.H. Levinson, and R.L. Smith, 2008: Observed changes in weather and climate extremes. In: Weather and Climate Extremes in a Changing Climate: Regions of Focus: North America, Hawaii, Caribbean, and U.S. Pacific Islands [Karl, T.R., G.A. Meehl, C.D. Miller, S.J. Hassol, A.M. Waple, and W.L. Murray (eds.)]. Synthesis and Assessment Product 3.3. U.S. Climate Change Science Program, Washington, DC, pp. 35-80.

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1401. CaneWarning 11:59 PM GMT on February 09, 2010    
Quoting NRAamy:
Cane...mine too!!!!!!!

:)


That last episode has me LOST. LOL I guess we are dealing with alternate realities or something.
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1402. AussieStorm 11:59 PM GMT on February 09, 2010    










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1403. AussieStorm 12:03 AM GMT on February 10, 2010    
On This Day, February 09, In 1969, The So-called Lindsay Storm Pounded The Northeast. Bedford, Massachusetts Recorded 25 Inches Of Snow, New York City Had 20 Inches, And Portland, Maine Ended Up With 22 Inches. The Storm Got Its Name From New York Mayor John Lindsay Who Ran Into Political Misfortune After Sections Of New York City Remained Unplowed For A Week After The Storm.
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1404. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod) 12:03 AM GMT on February 10, 2010    
Quoting CaneWarning:


That last episode has me LOST. LOL I guess we are dealing with alternate realities or something.
kinda sounds like this blog
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1405. CaneWarning 12:03 AM GMT on February 10, 2010    
Quoting KEEPEROFTHEGATE:
kinda sounds like this blog


I wasn't going to go there, but you are right!
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1406. AussieStorm 12:05 AM GMT on February 10, 2010    
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1407. CaneWarning 12:06 AM GMT on February 10, 2010    
Quoting AussieStorm:


That's a really cool picture.
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1408. NRAamy 12:07 AM GMT on February 10, 2010    
damn, that's a lotta snow, aussie!!!
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1409. Skyepony (Mod) 12:07 AM GMT on February 10, 2010    
From earlier today..but when was the last time we got an ASCAT pass worth looking at?

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1410. PcolaDan 12:14 AM GMT on February 10, 2010    
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1411. CaneWarning 12:17 AM GMT on February 10, 2010    
Just posted a blog on LOST for anyone who wants to speculate about what's going on with that show...

Alot of people are going to be snowed in, so maybe you guys can figure it all out!
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1412. AstroHurricane001 12:20 AM GMT on February 10, 2010    


As you can see by this satellite image, Pat is a small storm, moving to the south. There is also another storm starting develop to the WNW of Pat, and it is undergoing a fujuwhara interaction which will turn Pat to the southwest. Two or three more storms are likely to form in the area, and Pat is expected to head toward North Island of New Zealand before turning south and southeast while weakening after the five-day period.
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1413. alaina1085 12:21 AM GMT on February 10, 2010    
Havent been on in a while. Just wanted to pop in and say WE DAT!!!! Lovin this victory. Watching the parade on local news.

Patrap, take it all in brother!

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1414. WaterWitch11 12:28 AM GMT on February 10, 2010    
Quoting PcolaDan:
Live from New Orleans


parade is starting. i wonder if they will give patrap back? lol
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1415. pcolasky 12:29 AM GMT on February 10, 2010    
Local mets are calling for possible snow here in the Pensacola area on Thursday night Friday morning. Any thought on that?
1416. atmoaggie 12:30 AM GMT on February 10, 2010    
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1417. atmoaggie 12:41 AM GMT on February 10, 2010    
Calling for the mix, currently...not a common sight in these parts.

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1418. CaneWarning 12:47 AM GMT on February 10, 2010    
Explain to me how South Florida is in a Freeze Watch, but the Tampa Bay area is not.
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1419. atmoaggie 12:53 AM GMT on February 10, 2010    
Quoting CaneWarning:
Explain to me how South Florida is in a Freeze Watch, but the Tampa Bay area is not.

Tampa Bay isn't really in Florida. It is where you go when you use the wrong door at Bed Bath and Beyond.
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1420. CaneWarning 12:55 AM GMT on February 10, 2010    
Quoting atmoaggie:

Tampa Bay isn't really in Florida. It is where you go when you use the wrong door at Bed Bath and Beyond.


Interesting...
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1421. pcolasky 12:55 AM GMT on February 10, 2010    
Quoting atmoaggie:

Tampa Bay isn't really in Florida. It is where you go when you use the wrong door at Bed Bath and Beyond.


Hee hee that was funny!
1422. CaneWarning 12:57 AM GMT on February 10, 2010    
Sometimes I wonder if Tampa Bay is a part of Florida. We are a strange place.
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1423. AussieStorm 12:57 AM GMT on February 10, 2010    
Quoting CaneWarning:
Explain to me how South Florida is in a Freeze Watch, but the Tampa Bay area is not.

Event: Freeze Watch
Alert:

...SUBFREEZING TEMPERATURES POSSIBLE OVER THE NATURE COAST LATE
WEDNESDAY NIGHT AND EARLY THURSDAY MORNING...

.A STRONG COLD FRONT WILL MOVE THROUGH WEST CENTRAL AND SOUTHWEST
FLORIDA TONIGHT. IN THE WAKE OF THIS FRONT MUCH COLDER AND DRIER
AIR WILL MOVE INTO THE REGION ON A BRISK NORTHWEST TO NORTHERLY
WIND FLOW DURING WEDNESDAY AND WEDNESDAY NIGHT.

...FREEZE WATCH IN EFFECT FROM LATE WEDNESDAY NIGHT THROUGH
THURSDAY MORNING...

THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN TAMPA BAY AREA - RUSKIN FL HAS
ISSUED A FREEZE WATCH...WHICH IS IN EFFECT FROM LATE WEDNESDAY
NIGHT THROUGH THURSDAY MORNING.
A MUCH COLDER AND DRIER AIR MASS WILL MOVE INTO WEST CENTRAL AND
SOUTHWEST FLORIDA LATER TONIGHT AND WEDNESDAY IN THE WAKE OF A
COLD FRONT. THIS COLDER AIR MASS WILL ALLOW TEMPERATURES TO RUN
SOME 10 TO 15 DEGREES BELOW NORMAL ON WEDNESDAY WITH DAYTIME HIGHS
ONLY EXPECTED TO REACH THE LOWER 50S ACROSS THE NATURE COAST WITH
STRONG GUSTY WINDS MAKING IT FEEL EVEN COLDER. DURING WEDNESDAY
NIGHT SURFACE HIGH PRESSURE WILL NOSE ITSELF INTO THE REGION FROM
THE NORTH. LIGHTER NORTHERLY WINDS COMBINED WITH THE COLD DRY AIR
MASS WILL ALLOW TEMPERATURES TO FALL OFF QUICKLY AFTER SUNSET...WITH
READINGS DROPPING TO NEAR FREEZING AFTER MIDNIGHT...THEN BOTTOMING
OUT IN THE UPPER 20S TOWARDS SUNRISE ON THURSDAY MORNING.
RESIDENTS LIVING IN THE FREEZE WATCH AREA SHOULD TAKE PROTECTIVE
MEASURES TO ENSURE THAT TEMPERATURE SENSITIVE PLANTS ARE COVERED
OR BROUGHT INDOORS WEDNESDAY EVENING. PETS SHOULD ALSO BE BROUGHT
INDOORS. RESIDENTS PLANNING TO BE OUTDOORS LATE WEDNESDAY NIGHT
AND EARLY THURSDAY MORNING SHOULD DRESS WARMLY TO PROTECT THEMSELVES
FROM THE COLD. SEVERAL LAYERS OF CLOTHING WILL INSULATE YOU BETTER
THAN A SINGLE COAT OR JACKET.

Instructions: A FREEZE WATCH IS ISSUED FOR THE POTENTIAL OF A WIDESPREAD AND DAMAGING FREEZE WITHIN 24 TO 48 HOURS. DURING THE FREEZE PERIOD...TEMPERATURES MAY REMAIN BELOW 32 DEGREES FOR MORE THAN 8 HOURS.
Target Area:
Levy
Citrus
Sumter
Hernando
Pasco

It's as close as it gets
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1424. CaneWarning 12:58 AM GMT on February 10, 2010    
Aussie, that doesn't include Tampa Bay. (Hillsborough & Pinellas Counties specifically)
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1425. PcolaDan 1:00 AM GMT on February 10, 2010    
Quoting CaneWarning:
Sometimes I wonder if Tampa Bay is a part of Florida. We are a strange place.


At least you're always on the map in your original location and not cut and pasted into the middle of the GoM.
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1426. AussieStorm 1:03 AM GMT on February 10, 2010    
Quoting CaneWarning:
Aussie, that doesn't include Tampa Bay. (Hillsborough & Pinellas Counties specifically)


The closest it will get is Pasco, sorry mate!
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1427. CaneWarning 1:03 AM GMT on February 10, 2010    
Quoting PcolaDan:


At least you're always on the map in your original location and not cut and pasted into the middle of the GoM.


Does that happen with Pensacola? I've never noticed.
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1428. CaneWarning 1:04 AM GMT on February 10, 2010    
Quoting AussieStorm:


The closest it will get is Pasco, sorry mate!


Yes, but south of us there is a Freeze Watch. I'm just wondering if the Tampa Bay NWS is asleep, or do they know something that is going to keep us warmer here than in S. Florida?
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1429. AussieStorm 1:05 AM GMT on February 10, 2010    
Quoting CaneWarning:
Aussie, that doesn't include Tampa Bay. (Hillsborough & Pinellas Counties specifically)

What's with the red flag and fire weather warnings??? it's not cold enough to freeze but warm enough for fire?
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1430. CaneWarning 1:08 AM GMT on February 10, 2010    
Quoting AussieStorm:

What's with the red flag and fire weather warnings??? it's not cold enough to freeze but warm enough for fire?


The freeze killed everything here. Most palm trees and ornamental plants are dead. I read about a tree farm not far from Tampa and they lost a few thousand plants. Most people will have to completely re-plant everything in their yards. I've got dead palm trees in my yard.
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1431. aquak9 1:09 AM GMT on February 10, 2010    
aussie- it's not the heat, it's the humidity...well, the LACK of humidity.

When it drops below a certain %, for a certain number of hours, we get fire watches or red flag warnings.
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1432. pcolasky 1:10 AM GMT on February 10, 2010    
Quoting CaneWarning:


Does that happen with Pensacola? I've never noticed.

P'cola as an island! love it! Maybe I won't have to pay the toll to get to the beach!
1433. AussieStorm 1:10 AM GMT on February 10, 2010    
Quoting CaneWarning:


Yes, but south of us there is a Freeze Watch. I'm just wondering if the Tampa Bay NWS is asleep, or do they know something that is going to keep us warmer here than in S. Florida?


Weather for Tampa, FL
Wed Feb 10
Mostly Sunny

High 52°
Low 39°
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1434. CaneWarning 1:11 AM GMT on February 10, 2010    
Quoting AussieStorm:


Weather for Tampa, FL
Wed Feb 10
Mostly Sunny

High 52°
Low 39°


This is according to NWS:

Wednesday: Mostly sunny, with a high near 56. Wind chill values as low as 38 early. North northwest wind between 9 and 13 mph.

Wednesday Night: Mostly clear, with a low around 31. North northwest wind between 6 and 8 mph.
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1435. AussieStorm 1:12 AM GMT on February 10, 2010    
Quoting aquak9:
aussie- it's not the heat, it's the humidity...well, the LACK of humidity.

When it drops below a certain %, for a certain number of hours, we get fire watches or red flag warnings.

So even though the temps are low, if the Humidity gets below a certain % they issue those warning?
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1436. CaneWarning 1:13 AM GMT on February 10, 2010    
Quoting AussieStorm:

So even though the temps are low, if the Humidity gets below a certain % they issue those warning?


Yes, if anyone even thinks of fire on days like that it could be a problem. Florida is known for it's hurricanes, and forest fires.
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1437. PcolaDan 1:14 AM GMT on February 10, 2010    
Quoting CaneWarning:


Does that happen with Pensacola? I've never noticed.


Don't think they do that anymore. Used to all the time.
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1438. CaneWarning 1:15 AM GMT on February 10, 2010    
Quoting PcolaDan:


Don't think they do that anymore. Used to all the time.


I'm not sure I really ever see Pcola on maps. Normally they have Tally and Mobile on the big maps.
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1439. aquak9 1:16 AM GMT on February 10, 2010    
aussie- most definitely. We are often very humid during high heat here in florida...and very dry during cold weather. And with so much dead vegetation from the recent freezes- lots of easy tinder for fire doesn't help, either. windy conditions don't help either.
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1440. PcolaDan 1:25 AM GMT on February 10, 2010    
Quoting CaneWarning:


I'm not sure I really ever see Pcola on maps. Normally they have Tally and Mobile on the big maps.


You're right, gotta zoom in for us. They used to cut off the Panhandle from just this side of Tallahassee to fit us on a standard page.
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1441. indianrivguy 1:29 AM GMT on February 10, 2010    
Quoting PcolaDan:


You're right, gotta zoom in for us. They used to cut off the Panhandle from just this side of Tallahassee to fit us on a standard page.


well hell, they already stole west florida from us.. what next??? :)
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1442. Ossqss 1:31 AM GMT on February 10, 2010    
Cane, this might help a bit.

Terms used by meteorologists, forecasters, weather observers, and in weather forecasts
Compiled from several sources


More specific to the freeze watch definition etc, below :)

http://www.erh.noaa.gov/akq/docs/wwa_map_all.htm


Although I question the typo on this entry. LoL

Freeze Warning
(NPWAKQ)
FZ.W


Issued in conjunction with temperatures forecast 320 F or below for any length of time during the locally defined growing season; the lower end of the forecast range is used (i.e. 32 to 37 deg would warrant a freeze warning).
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1443. atmoaggie 1:32 AM GMT on February 10, 2010    
Quoting indianrivguy:


well hell, they already stole west florida from us.. what next??? :)

Just give in to the lower Alabama thing, I suppose...

*signed, resident of the former West Florida Republic*
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1444. CaneWarning 1:33 AM GMT on February 10, 2010    
Quoting Ossqss:
Cane, this might help a bit.

Terms used by meteorologists, forecasters, weather observers, and in weather forecasts
Compiled from several sources

More specific to the freeze watch definition etc, below :)

http://www.erh.noaa.gov/akq/docs/wwa_map_all.htm


Yeah, but I still don't see how they expect those conditions to be possible further south of us. The conditions are expected to be clear, so we won't have the clouds holding in our heat or anything here.
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1445. usa777 1:34 AM GMT on February 10, 2010    
Let me say that I officially hate snow..lol. Dont get me wrong, I love a good storm but this snow were getting is incredible. I have snow piles at least 8 feet deep around my house and I have nowhere to put all this new snow were expecting today and tomorrow. Could anyone use some fresh snow? lol
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1446. CaneWarning 1:35 AM GMT on February 10, 2010    
Quoting usa777:
Let me say that I officially hate snow..lol. Dont get me wrong, I love a good storm but this snow were getting is incredible. I have snow piles at least 8 feet deep around my house and I have nowhere to put all this new snow were expecting today and tomorrow. Could anyone use some fresh snow? lol


8 Feet deep? Wow, you guys are in trouble if you get another 1-2 feet.
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1447. usa777 1:39 AM GMT on February 10, 2010    
Quoting CaneWarning:


8 Feet deep? Wow, you guys are in trouble if you get another 1-2 feet.



Just to clarify. That 8 feet is shoveled snow. Probably 2 1/2 feet unshoveled.
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1448. Ossqss 1:39 AM GMT on February 10, 2010    
Quoting CaneWarning:


Yeah, but I still don't see how they expect those conditions to be possible further south of us. The conditions are expected to be clear, so we won't have the clouds holding in our heat or anything here.


Could be water temp and wind direction. We will have NW winds for the next day or so. The inverse happened when the water temp was very cold a few weeks ago with a west wind. The interior areas approached 80 and the beaches were in the 60's/ In other words, I dunno :)
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1449. iceagecoming 1:40 AM GMT on February 10, 2010    
5 to 10 inches for Southern NH, my snowblower likes it light and fluffy.
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1450. CaneWarning 1:41 AM GMT on February 10, 2010    
Quoting usa777:



Just to clarify. That 8 feet is shoveled snow. Probably 2 1/2 feet unshoveled.


Oh, I was thinking snow drifts. Well, that's still a lot of snow!
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1451. Drakoen 1:41 AM GMT on February 10, 2010    
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