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Hurricane tracks, changes in hurricane clustering, and other notes from Tucson
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 2:44 PM GMT on May 12, 2010 +5
I'm in Tucson for the American Meteorological Society's 29th Conference on Hurricanes and Tropical Meteorology. This is the premier scientific conference on hurricanes, and is held only once every two years, so pretty much all of the world's greatest hurricane experts are here. Below are some quick snapshots of four of the talks I attended yesterday; I hope to more more snapshots each day this week.

Angela Colbert of the University of Miami/RSMAS showed how different weather and climate patterns affect the Azores-Bermuda High, and thus the tracks of Atlantic hurricanes. She divided storms into straight-moving storms that move straight west-northwest through the Caribbean, recurving landfalling hurricane that hit the east coast of the U.S., and recurving ocean storms that miss land. Roughly 1/3 of all hurricanes between 1950 - 2009 fell into each of these three categories. These proportions stayed pretty constant during La Niña and neutral years, but El Niño caused a weakening of the high, resulting in far fewer hurricanes hitting the U.S. East Coast. These storms instead recurved out to sea.

Jim Kossin of the University of Wisconsin separated all Atlantic storms from 1950 - 2007 into 4 clusters, based on genesis location. Two of the clusters were more northerly-forming storms that tended to be less tropical in nature--Gulf of Mexico storms, and storms off the U.S. East Coast that tended to recurve. The other two clusters were more southerly tropical-origin systems--ones that tended to form in the Caribbean, and storms that form near the Cape Verde Island region off the coast of Africa. The more tropical Cape Verde and Caribbean storms dominated major hurricane frequency by a factor of four. In mid-1980s, there was an abrupt shift to more of these more dangerous tropical type storms--ten years prior to the active hurricane period that began in 1995. It is unknown what caused this shift. The shift is unlikely to be a result of measurement error, since we had good satellite imagery then. Independent of any trends in frequency, this shift caused an increase in intensity metrics of Atlantic hurricanes. A doubling of these tropical systems has also occurred since 1950. Interestingly, there has been no change in the number of Gulf of Mexico storms, and a slight increase in storms forming off of the U.S. East Coast. Since slight changes in track can make a big difference in what SSTs and atmospheric environment a storm sees, there is a lot of natural "noise" in the system that will make it difficult to get a clear sense of when climate change is having a substantial impact on hurricane intensity.

Bin Wang of the University of Miami studied the global number of storm days from 1965 - 2008, which should be a less sensitive quantity to data problems than the number of storms or their intensity. Storm days were defined as any day when a tropical cyclone of tropical depression strength or greater existed. However, there are still some data problems, as evidenced by a sharp drop in storm days observed in the North Indian Ocean beginning in 1978. Dr. Wang found that there was no global trend in storm days. The Atlantic was the only individual basin that showed an increase in storm days.

Greg Holland of NCAR looked at the distribution of the strongest hurricanes over time by using a mathematical description of the historical hurricane data. His analysis showed that during the period 1995 - 2008, we probably had about a 30% increase in Category 5 storms in the Atlantic, and an 18% increase in Category 4 hurricanes. Using a climate model, he predicted that by the years 2045 - 2055, we should see a 60% increase in Cat 5s, 32% increase in Cat 4s, and 16% increase in Cat 3s in the Atlantic.

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351. CycloneOz 10:24 PM GMT on May 12, 2010    
Quoting pottery:

hmmm.


Your comment on that post works perfectly with your avatar...

Did you notice? :)
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352. CycloneOz 10:25 PM GMT on May 12, 2010    
Quoting wunderkidcayman:
someone earler was looking at a blob south of panama well look at it in this view



Is that a closed low?
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353. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod) 10:27 PM GMT on May 12, 2010    
Quoting pottery:

hmmm.


heres one with you included on it pottery

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354. Levi32 10:27 PM GMT on May 12, 2010    
Cloud tops are continuing to warm over the wave axis as convection has mostly died down. Water vapor loop shows the associated high-level clouds racing off to the northeast, indicating strong upper-level westerlies and thus high wind shear. This, along with dry air to the northwest of the wave, is likely responsible for the decline in convection. The main area of convective activity now lies all to the east of the wave axis.

This is illustrating that this is not a situation where we should expect development. While impressive for May and interesting to watch, it is more a sign of potential things to come later in the season, when tropical waves will likely tend to strengthen over the central-eastern Atlantic under favorable conditions. Right now the overall environment is still too hostile and the wave too far south, to expect much development.

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355. CycloneOz 10:28 PM GMT on May 12, 2010    
I think I'm just two-levels away from troll-like behavior in here...because all I want to do is

HYPE!
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356. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod) 10:30 PM GMT on May 12, 2010    
Quoting Levi32:
Cloud tops are continuing to warm over the wave axis as convection has mostly died down. Water vapor loop shows the associated high-level clouds racing off to the northeast, indicating strong upper-level westerlies and thus high wind shear. This, along with dry air to the northwest of the wave, is likely responsible for the decline in convection. The main area of convective activity now lies all to the east of the wave axis.

This is illustrating that this is not a situation where we should expect development. While impressive for May and interesting to watch, it is more a sign of potential things to come later in the season, when tropical waves will likely tend to strengthen over the central-eastern Atlantic under favorable conditions. Right now the overall environment is still too hostile and the wave too far south, to expect much development.



REQUIREMENTS FOR Tropical Cyclone Formation Alert

If a system gets 35 to 38 points, a TCFA may be issued depending on Dvorak trends, and if a system gets 39 points or more a TCFA should be issued.

Surface
Condition Points
A circulation is evident using visible satellite, shortwave infrared, microwave imagery or QuikSCAT/Windsat ambiguities 3 points
A circulation has been evident for at least 24 hours 5 points
A westerly surface- or gradient-level wind of 5 kt that is within 200 nm (370 km, 230 mi) south of the centre of the disturbance 5 points
Any wind associated with the system is at least 20 kt 2 points
Any wind associated with the system is at least 25 kt 3 points
Any wind associated with the system is at least 30 kt 4 points
A weather station within 200 nm of the system has reported had a pressure drop of 2 mb over 24 hours 3 points
A weather station within 200 nm of the system has had a pressure drop of 3 mb over 24 hours 4 points
The estimated MSLP of the system is less than 1010 to 1009 mb 3 points
The estimated MSLP of the system is 1008 mb or less 4 points

500 mb height
Condition Points
There is evidence of at least an inverted trough 2 points
There is evidence of a closed circulation in the system 4 points

200 mb height
Condition Points
Westerly flow of at least 15 kt over the disturbance -4 points
There is evidence of anticyclonic outflow over the centre of the disturbance 4 points
Easterly flow of at most 20 kt over the disturbance 3 points

Sea surface temperature
Condition Points
The sea surface temperature is 26 Celsius (78.8 Fahrenheit) or higher 3 points

Satellite data
Condition Points
The system has persisted for at least 24 hours 3 points
The system has persisted for at least 48 hours 4 points
The system has persisted for at least 72 hours 5 points
The system has a Dvorak classification of T1.0 to T1.5 from all three agencies (TAFB, SAB, AFWA) 3 points
The system has a Dvorak classification of T1.5 to T2.0 from all three agencies 5 points
The Dvorak final-T number has decreased by T0.5 to T1.0 from two or more agencies -2 points

Miscellaneous
Condition Points
The cloud system is north (or south) of 5 degrees latitude 3 points
The tropical system is within 72 hours of reaching a Department of Defense resource 3 points
The cloud system center and the satellite centre fixes for the system are within 2 degrees of each other 2 points
**********************************************************
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358. wunderkidcayman 10:31 PM GMT on May 12, 2010    
well that is what it look like
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359. wunderkidcayman 10:33 PM GMT on May 12, 2010    
but elongated
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360. doabarrelroll 10:34 PM GMT on May 12, 2010    
Quoting wunderkidcayman:
well that is what it look like


Actually it does. Odd.
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361. GeoffreyWPB 10:36 PM GMT on May 12, 2010    
Hi Oz...did you get banned for that picture the other night?
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362. Levi32 10:36 PM GMT on May 12, 2010    
Quoting CycloneOz:


Is that a closed low?


Not quite....it's still a fairly messy monsoon trough. It's an interesting area, but upper-level conditions are less than ideal and will remain that way for a few days. It is also fighting against large-scale downward motion thanks to the MJO. That's another thing our little wave is dealing with as well.

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363. doabarrelroll 10:36 PM GMT on May 12, 2010    
Quoting GeoffreyWPB:
Hi Oz...did you get banned for that picture the other night?


Sup
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364. Xyrus2000 10:37 PM GMT on May 12, 2010    
Quoting CycloneUK:
Looks like "E" volcano is still spewing out lots of ash

Link


Wait. I got an idea. Let's drop a giant steel box over it. It worked for BP.

~X~
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365. cg2916 10:37 PM GMT on May 12, 2010    
Quoting KEEPEROFTHEGATE:


REQUIREMENTS FOR Tropical Cyclone Formation Alert

If a system gets 35 to 38 points, a TCFA may be issued depending on Dvorak trends, and if a system gets 39 points or more a TCFA should be issued.

Surface
Condition Points
A circulation is evident using visible satellite, shortwave infrared, microwave imagery or QuikSCAT/Windsat ambiguities 3 points
A circulation has been evident for at least 24 hours 5 points
A westerly surface- or gradient-level wind of 5 kt that is within 200 nm (370 km, 230 mi) south of the centre of the disturbance 5 points
Any wind associated with the system is at least 20 kt 2 points
Any wind associated with the system is at least 25 kt 3 points
Any wind associated with the system is at least 30 kt 4 points
A weather station within 200 nm of the system has reported had a pressure drop of 2 mb over 24 hours 3 points
A weather station within 200 nm of the system has had a pressure drop of 3 mb over 24 hours 4 points
The estimated MSLP of the system is less than 1010 to 1009 mb 3 points
The estimated MSLP of the system is 1008 mb or less 4 points

500 mb height
Condition Points
There is evidence of at least an inverted trough 2 points
There is evidence of a closed circulation in the system 4 points

200 mb height
Condition Points
Westerly flow of at least 15 kt over the disturbance -4 points
There is evidence of anticyclonic outflow over the centre of the disturbance 4 points
Easterly flow of at most 20 kt over the disturbance 3 points

Sea surface temperature
Condition Points
The sea surface temperature is 26 Celsius (78.8 Fahrenheit) or higher 3 points

Satellite data
Condition Points
The system has persisted for at least 24 hours 3 points
The system has persisted for at least 48 hours 4 points
The system has persisted for at least 72 hours 5 points
The system has a Dvorak classification of T1.0 to T1.5 from all three agencies (TAFB, SAB, AFWA) 3 points
The system has a Dvorak classification of T1.5 to T2.0 from all three agencies 5 points
The Dvorak final-T number has decreased by T0.5 to T1.0 from two or more agencies -2 points

Miscellaneous
Condition Points
The cloud system is north (or south) of 5 degrees latitude 3 points
The tropical system is within 72 hours of reaching a Department of Defense resource 3 points
The cloud system center and the satellite centre fixes for the system are within 2 degrees of each other 2 points
**********************************************************


Is there any way to figure out how many points it's at now?
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366. doabarrelroll 10:38 PM GMT on May 12, 2010    
Quoting Xyrus2000:


Wait. I got an idea. Let's drop a giant steel box over it. It worked for BP.

~X~

We should drop a steel box ON bp
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367. doabarrelroll 10:38 PM GMT on May 12, 2010    
Quoting cg2916:


Is there any way to figure out how many points it's at now?

by counting. Dont be lazy
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368. cg2916 10:39 PM GMT on May 12, 2010    
Quoting Xyrus2000:


Wait. I got an idea. Let's drop a giant steel box over it. It worked for BP.

~X~


Ha!
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369. pottery 10:39 PM GMT on May 12, 2010    
In 2007 rains started May 22

in 2008 we had a 'wet' dry season, 'real' rain started around June 1

in 2009 we had plenty rain Jan/Feb, very little M,A,M,AND June. Heavy stuff started in early july. Nov and Dec very low. So 3 months of the 6 were drier than usual.

in 2010 very low J,F,M,A,M (so far). (add Nov dec from last year)

So, basically, nothing to be gleaned from that little exercise. Waste of time, actually.
LOL


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370. doabarrelroll 10:41 PM GMT on May 12, 2010    
Quoting pottery:
In 2007 rains started May 22

in 2008 we had a 'wet' dry season, 'real' rain started around June 1

in 2009 we had plenty rain Jan/Feb, very little M,A,M,AND June. Heavy stuff started in early july. Nov and Dec very low. So 3 months of the 6 were drier than usual.

in 2010 very low J,F,M,A,M (so far). (add Nov dec from last year)

So, basically, nothing to be gleaned from that little exercise. Waste of time, actually.
LOL




I thought it meant that we would see Hurricane strike from Melbourne to Ft. Lauderdale as was suggested yesterday.
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371. cg2916 10:42 PM GMT on May 12, 2010    
WILD TROPICAL WAVE appeared...
*pokemon music*
TROPICS USED DRY AIR!
WILD TROPICAL WAVE USED BURST OF CONVECTION!
It was not very effective...
TROPICS USED DOWNWARD MJO!
WILD TROPICAL WAVE USED BURST OF CONVECTION!
It was not very effective...
TROPICS USED CRAZY HIGH WIND SHEAR!
It was super effective!
WILD TROPICAL WAVE fainted...
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372. MiamiHurricanes09 10:42 PM GMT on May 12, 2010    
Quoting wunderkidcayman:
someone earler was looking at a blob south of panama well look at it in this view

Yes I pointed it out earlier. Wow guess this area needs to be monitored.
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373. pottery 10:43 PM GMT on May 12, 2010    
Quoting CycloneOz:


Your comment on that post works perfectly with your avatar...

Did you notice? :)

hmmmmm. LOL
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374. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod) 10:43 PM GMT on May 12, 2010    


heres the epac blob
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375. doabarrelroll 10:43 PM GMT on May 12, 2010    
Quoting cg2916:
WILD TROPICAL WAVE appeared...
*pokemon music*
TROPICS USED DRY AIR!
WILD TROPICAL WAVE USED BURST OF CONVECTION!
It was not very effective...
TROPICS USED DOWNWARD MJO!
WILD TROPICAL WAVE USED BURST OF CONVECTION!
It was not very effective...
TROPICS USED CRAZY HIGH WIND SHEAR!
It was super effective!
WILD TROPICAL WAVE fainted...


FANTASTIC!
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376. MiamiHurricanes09 10:44 PM GMT on May 12, 2010    
Quoting KEEPEROFTHEGATE:


heres the epac blob
It has a closed surface low as per the ASCAT.
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377. pottery 10:46 PM GMT on May 12, 2010    
Quoting doabarrelroll:


I thought it meant that we would see Hurricane strike from Melbourne to Ft. Lauderdale as was suggested yesterday.

You are suggesting that there is some doubt ? Huh? Bud??
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378. Levi32 10:47 PM GMT on May 12, 2010    
Quoting pottery:
In 2007 rains started May 22

in 2008 we had a 'wet' dry season, 'real' rain started around June 1

in 2009 we had plenty rain Jan/Feb, very little M,A,M,AND June. Heavy stuff started in early july. Nov and Dec very low. So 3 months of the 6 were drier than usual.

in 2010 very low J,F,M,A,M (so far). (add Nov dec from last year)

So, basically, nothing to be gleaned from that little exercise. Waste of time, actually.
LOL




Actually it's very enlightening. You can see the pattern that can indicate what kind of a hurricane season you could have.

2007 sounds like a pretty normal year. Above-normal season overall with 2 bad hurricanes that ran through the Caribbean.

2008's "wet" dry season can be attributed to the La Nina that winter, which reversed to neutral during the summer, still resulting in an above-normal season, but not really bad in the eastern Caribbean and the rest of the deep tropics south of 20N.

2009's wet Jan/Feb can again be attributed to weak La Nina conditions that winter, but these started reversing to neutral in March, and eventually into an El Nino in June, which has continued through today. This would explain nicely the shutdown of the rain in March, with a late start to the rainy season in July. The hurricane season was a dud.

2010's bone-dry and hot winter all the way through can be attributed to the strong El Nino, but with it now reversing, when the rainy season finally begins, expect it to be a big one, and with it a bad hurricane season for the Caribbean and probably everywhere else in the SW Atlantic.
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379. Bordonaro 10:47 PM GMT on May 12, 2010    
Quoting doabarrelroll:

We should drop a steel box ON bp

Nah, too violent of an eruption. And nuking it wouldn't make it better either!
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380. doabarrelroll 10:48 PM GMT on May 12, 2010    
Quoting pottery:

You are suggesting that there is some doubt ? Huh? Bud??


Nope not at all. It is very easy to tell where every hurricane will hit before the season starts this early due to rainfall and analog years.
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381. doabarrelroll 10:49 PM GMT on May 12, 2010    
Quoting Bordonaro:

Nah, too violent of an eruption. And nuking it wouldn't make it better either!

I guess I will have to settle for public outrage and lawsuits
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382. pottery 10:49 PM GMT on May 12, 2010    
Quoting doabarrelroll:


Nope not at all. It is very easy to tell where every hurricane will hit before the season starts this early due to rainfall and analog years.

Glad that we read the same stuff. I totally agree.
heheheheh
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383. Cavin Rawlins 10:50 PM GMT on May 12, 2010    
Late season storm...Indian Ocean

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384. doabarrelroll 10:51 PM GMT on May 12, 2010    
Quoting pottery:

Glad that we read the same stuff. I totally agree.
heheheheh


haha,

JFV- "hey so this rainfall would suggest a South Florida strike, right Do A Barrell Rollster?"
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385. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod) 10:52 PM GMT on May 12, 2010    
Quoting cg2916:


Is there any way to figure out how many points it's at now?


well its call counting if you want
but i have not myself
for expectations for dev are very very low
but i do use it during the season
and once the numbers add up
a T.C.F.A.will be noted
if needed a T.C.F.W. if totals are exceeded
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386. MiamiHurricanes09 10:54 PM GMT on May 12, 2010    
Quoting doabarrelroll:


haha,

JFV- "hey so this rainfall would suggest a South Florida strike, right Do A Barrell Rollster?"
LMAO.
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387. Skyepony (Mod) 10:55 PM GMT on May 12, 2010    
They are doing the same emergency response imagery photos from airplanes of Deepwater Horizon we would see after a hurricane..
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388. Levi32 10:57 PM GMT on May 12, 2010    
Quoting Weather456:
Late season storm...Indian Ocean



That would be thanks to the MJO currently organizing over the Indian Ocean and maritime continent. There's lots of convection in that whole area of the world right now.



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389. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod) 10:58 PM GMT on May 12, 2010    
hey 456 you get my mail i responded too
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390. MiamiHurricanes09 10:58 PM GMT on May 12, 2010    
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391. GainesvilleGator 10:59 PM GMT on May 12, 2010    
Hey DABR, It seems like every geographical area in Florida saw housing prices decline 40% from the housing bubble top EXCEPT Gainesville (-25%).

I am going to wait until after hurricane season to browse for houses. The way I feel now I think building a new house above existing hurricane code would be better then trying to get something already built.

I will be an interesting mess if a major hurricane hits an area where a lot of people have underwater mortgages. In normal times you see a construction boom but this may be muted if people walk away from their slabs.
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392. pottery 11:00 PM GMT on May 12, 2010    
390, nice!
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393. Cavin Rawlins 11:01 PM GMT on May 12, 2010    
Quoting Levi32:


That would be thanks to the MJO currently organizing over the Indian Ocean and maritime continent. There's lots of convection in that whole area of the world right now.





the MJO actually spawned 3 systems.

Probably one argument one can use to justify the formation of TD 1 later this month in the Atlantic or Eastern Pacific, in that case, TD 1-E
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394. Cavin Rawlins 11:02 PM GMT on May 12, 2010    
Quoting KEEPEROFTHEGATE:
hey 456 you get my mail i responded too


yea, it still didnt work but I'll try a bit later.

Thanks
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395. MiamiHurricanes09 11:03 PM GMT on May 12, 2010    
-We're currently under a strong downward MJO.

-A weak upward motion MJO to pass over the Caribbean on May 17th.

-Strong upward motion MJO to pass over the Atlantic on May 22nd.

-A strong upward motion MJO to pass over the Caribbean, GOMEX, and Bahamas on May 27th.

All these upward MJOs should really get the ATL going early.

GFS
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396. wunderkidcayman 11:03 PM GMT on May 12, 2010    
today 12z

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397. MiamiHurricanes09 11:04 PM GMT on May 12, 2010    
Quoting pottery:
390, nice!
Just though you might want to have it:
Link
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398. GeoffreyWPB 11:05 PM GMT on May 12, 2010    
Looks like a close call, but I still say no Atlantic basin depressions in May.
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399. Skyepony (Mod) 11:06 PM GMT on May 12, 2010    
Quoting Weather456:
Late season storm...Indian Ocean



NOAA rammb has it as 96S & NAVY 97S. I think NOAA is right..
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400. MiamiHurricanes09 11:06 PM GMT on May 12, 2010    
Looks um, (Let me see if I can think of the right word), oh um, discombobulated.

22:45 UTC - 6:45 PM EDT
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401. Cavin Rawlins 11:07 PM GMT on May 12, 2010    
Speaking of which, the 18Z GFS continues to forecast the formation of a tropical storm later this month. However, something stood out. It has trouble moving the system out of the Caribbean, stalling it for several 6-hr increments. The model appears to be having trouble, despite a general fluent steering flow. Inconsistency.

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