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Hurricane tracks, changes in hurricane clustering, and other notes from Tucson
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 2:44 PM GMT on May 12, 2010 +5
I'm in Tucson for the American Meteorological Society's 29th Conference on Hurricanes and Tropical Meteorology. This is the premier scientific conference on hurricanes, and is held only once every two years, so pretty much all of the world's greatest hurricane experts are here. Below are some quick snapshots of four of the talks I attended yesterday; I hope to more more snapshots each day this week.

Angela Colbert of the University of Miami/RSMAS showed how different weather and climate patterns affect the Azores-Bermuda High, and thus the tracks of Atlantic hurricanes. She divided storms into straight-moving storms that move straight west-northwest through the Caribbean, recurving landfalling hurricane that hit the east coast of the U.S., and recurving ocean storms that miss land. Roughly 1/3 of all hurricanes between 1950 - 2009 fell into each of these three categories. These proportions stayed pretty constant during La Niña and neutral years, but El Niño caused a weakening of the high, resulting in far fewer hurricanes hitting the U.S. East Coast. These storms instead recurved out to sea.

Jim Kossin of the University of Wisconsin separated all Atlantic storms from 1950 - 2007 into 4 clusters, based on genesis location. Two of the clusters were more northerly-forming storms that tended to be less tropical in nature--Gulf of Mexico storms, and storms off the U.S. East Coast that tended to recurve. The other two clusters were more southerly tropical-origin systems--ones that tended to form in the Caribbean, and storms that form near the Cape Verde Island region off the coast of Africa. The more tropical Cape Verde and Caribbean storms dominated major hurricane frequency by a factor of four. In mid-1980s, there was an abrupt shift to more of these more dangerous tropical type storms--ten years prior to the active hurricane period that began in 1995. It is unknown what caused this shift. The shift is unlikely to be a result of measurement error, since we had good satellite imagery then. Independent of any trends in frequency, this shift caused an increase in intensity metrics of Atlantic hurricanes. A doubling of these tropical systems has also occurred since 1950. Interestingly, there has been no change in the number of Gulf of Mexico storms, and a slight increase in storms forming off of the U.S. East Coast. Since slight changes in track can make a big difference in what SSTs and atmospheric environment a storm sees, there is a lot of natural "noise" in the system that will make it difficult to get a clear sense of when climate change is having a substantial impact on hurricane intensity.

Bin Wang of the University of Miami studied the global number of storm days from 1965 - 2008, which should be a less sensitive quantity to data problems than the number of storms or their intensity. Storm days were defined as any day when a tropical cyclone of tropical depression strength or greater existed. However, there are still some data problems, as evidenced by a sharp drop in storm days observed in the North Indian Ocean beginning in 1978. Dr. Wang found that there was no global trend in storm days. The Atlantic was the only individual basin that showed an increase in storm days.

Greg Holland of NCAR looked at the distribution of the strongest hurricanes over time by using a mathematical description of the historical hurricane data. His analysis showed that during the period 1995 - 2008, we probably had about a 30% increase in Category 5 storms in the Atlantic, and an 18% increase in Category 4 hurricanes. Using a climate model, he predicted that by the years 2045 - 2055, we should see a 60% increase in Cat 5s, 32% increase in Cat 4s, and 16% increase in Cat 3s in the Atlantic.

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401. Cavin Rawlins 11:07 PM GMT on May 12, 2010    
Speaking of which, the 18Z GFS continues to forecast the formation of a tropical storm later this month. However, something stood out. It has trouble moving the system out of the Caribbean, stalling it for several 6-hr increments. The model appears to be having trouble, despite a general fluent steering flow. Inconsistency.

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402. Cavin Rawlins 11:08 PM GMT on May 12, 2010    
Quoting Skyepony:


NOAA rammb has it as 96S & NAVY 97S. I think NOAA is right..


NVRM
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403. MiamiHurricanes09 11:09 PM GMT on May 12, 2010    
Quoting Weather456:
Speaking of which, the 18Z GFS continues to forecast the formation of a tropical storm later this month. However, something stood out. It has trouble moving the system out of the Caribbean, stalling it for several 6-hr increments. The model appears to be having trouble, despite a general fluent steering flow. Inconsistency.

And its at 384 hours today. Yesterday it was at 320 or something like that.
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404. wunderkidcayman 11:09 PM GMT on May 12, 2010    
by the way did anyone see this its the cmc 12z forcast on cyclone phase



number 57
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405. MiamiHurricanes09 11:11 PM GMT on May 12, 2010    
Quoting Weather456:


We have a 96S and 97S, two different systems.
They also have 95S.
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406. Levi32 11:12 PM GMT on May 12, 2010    
Quoting Weather456:


the MJO actually spawned 3 systems.

Probably one argument one can use to justify the formation of TD 1 later this month in the Atlantic or Eastern Pacific, in that case, TD 1-E


Yeah. One thing though is the MJO takes 30-40 days to circle the globe, which is why it's also known as "the 40-day wave". Since it is just now organizing in octan 4, I think the GFS may be rushing a bit too fast in putting it over the Atlantic as soon as the 17th. I think we'll see more of the main MJO burst come into our area of the world (octans 8 and 1) between May 25th and June 10th. That is the period when I think we are most likely to get our first named storm, if we're going to get one this early.

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407. Levi32 11:13 PM GMT on May 12, 2010    
Quoting MiamiHurricanes09:
And its at 384 hours today. Yesterday it was at 320 or something like that.


Another indication that the GFS may be rushing the MJO.
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408. Cavin Rawlins 11:13 PM GMT on May 12, 2010    
Quoting wunderkidcayman:
by the way did anyone see this its the cmc 12z forcast on cyclone phase



number 57


The CMC is anticipating a weak low pressure to form along the wave. I think one is already there. The cyclone phase diagram is telling me its a very weak one, with gale force winds almost non-existent and pressures near 1010 mb. Waves dont normally have an "L" attached their axis in May.
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409. MiamiHurricanes09 11:13 PM GMT on May 12, 2010    
We got another weak south one...

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410. wxmobilejim 11:15 PM GMT on May 12, 2010    
Quoting StormW:
TROPICAL WEATHER SYNOPSIS "QUICKCAST" MAY 12, 2010 ISSUED 6:30 P.M. PHTFC

Great update storm. I look foward to all your updates.
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411. MiamiHurricanes09 11:15 PM GMT on May 12, 2010    
Quoting Levi32:


Yeah. One thing though is the MJO takes 30-40 days to circle the globe, which is why it's also known as "the 40-day wave". Since it is just now organizing in octan 4, I think the GFS may be rushing a bit too fast in putting it over the Atlantic as soon as the 17th. I think we'll see more of the main MJO burst come into our area of the world (octans 8 and 1) between May 25th and June 10th. That is the period when I think we are most likely to get our first named storm, if we're going to get one this early.

I agree completely.
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412. MiamiHurricanes09 11:17 PM GMT on May 12, 2010    
Quoting Weather456:


The CMC is anticipating a weak low pressure to form along the wave. I think one is already there. The cyclone phase diagram is telling me its a very weak one, with gale force winds almost non-existent and pressures near 1010 mb. Waves dont normally have an "L" attached their axis in May.
I would say, "Only in 2010" lol.
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413. Cavin Rawlins 11:17 PM GMT on May 12, 2010    
Quoting Levi32:


Yeah. One thing though is the MJO takes 30-40 days to circle the globe, which is why it's also known as "the 40-day wave". Since it is just now organizing in octan 4, I think the GFS may be rushing a bit too fast in putting it over the Atlantic as soon as the 17th. I think we'll see more of the main MJO burst come into our area of the world (octans 8 and 1) between May 25th and June 10th. That is the period when I think we are most likely to get our first named storm, if we're going to get one this early.



It's been rushing over the past week, which caused it verify poorly



The forecast made on 4 May green and blue is no where the actual observations - red line. The MJO is slower than the forecast made by the GFS and GEFS.
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414. MiamiHurricanes09 11:17 PM GMT on May 12, 2010    
I'm not liking the strong waves the 18z NOGAPS is showing (96 hours)...

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415. MiamiHurricanes09 11:19 PM GMT on May 12, 2010    
Statistical Models Phase Diagram

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416. MiamiHurricanes09 11:21 PM GMT on May 12, 2010    
oops, my bad, I posted the wrong image.
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417. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod) 11:24 PM GMT on May 12, 2010    
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418. gordydunnot 11:25 PM GMT on May 12, 2010    
I don't know but on the Bid Ed show tonight they had a environmentalist that said the dispersant they are using on the golf oil leak will eventually wipe out all the corals from the Keys to Martin county on Fl. east coast.Before you'll get excited, I know his program is a little left of center what ever that means, but it was interesting to know that the water passing between Fl. and Cuba is 80 times greater than the flow of all the worlds rivers.
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419. Levi32 11:26 PM GMT on May 12, 2010    
Buoy 31002 at 4N 38W is still reporting NE winds. The wave axis has yet to pass over the buoy, but it will do so sometime in the next 6-12 hours. This is the thing to watch right now to see if we get any wind shifts as the wave axis moves overhead.
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420. GeoffreyWPB 11:28 PM GMT on May 12, 2010    
421. Skyepony (Mod) 11:30 PM GMT on May 12, 2010    
Quoting Weather456:


We have a 96S and 97S, two different systems.


They are both within 70-80 E & about 5-8S.. pretty nuch look the same..

Why does NAVY have 94S, 95S & 97S where is their 96S? or RAMMB's 97S?
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422. MiamiHurricanes09 11:32 PM GMT on May 12, 2010    
Quoting Skyepony:


They are both within 70-80 E & about 5-8S.. pretty nuch look the same..

Why does NAVY have 94S, 95S & 97S where is their 96S? or RAMMB's 97S?
Ahhh, too confusing, lol.
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423. Skyepony (Mod) 11:33 PM GMT on May 12, 2010    
oh you saw..

Navy has miss numbered a few in the last few months.. May see a renumber in the coming hours.
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424. MiamiHurricanes09 11:33 PM GMT on May 12, 2010    
That area south of Panama is the Colombian low. That's pretty odd, normally it is over Columbia! Lol.

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425. Levi32 11:40 PM GMT on May 12, 2010    
Quoting GeoffreyWPB:
Five tropical waves in the Atlantic. Looking at the satellite loop, I can only recognize one!


The weak ones can be hard to see. If you look closely at visible satellite loop, you can see low-level turning off the NE coast of South America near 57W. This is a wave. If you look just west of our featured wave at 37W, you can see slight low-level turning and an inverted-V signature in the clouds at 45W. This too is a wave. The last one over South America is diving into Columbia. Tropical waves over South America are very hard to spot on satellite imagery so they take more detailed analysis. There is a 5th wave east of our featured wave along 28W but I can't find the nice Navy image that extends to Africa to show it.

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426. MiamiHurricanes09 11:41 PM GMT on May 12, 2010    
Atlantic 18 UTC Surface Analysis.

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427. AussieStorm 11:44 PM GMT on May 12, 2010    
Quoting Skyepony:


They are both within 70-80 E & about 5-8S.. pretty nuch look the same..

Why does NAVY have 94S, 95S & 97S where is their 96S? or RAMMB's 97S?

97S


95S


94S



They look different to me.
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428. DDR 11:46 PM GMT on May 12, 2010    
Post 425
Excellent job,the windward islands are going to get a good soaking soon.I'm excited,on my side of the island there has only been a few mm of rain this month so far, north western areas have got plenty.
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429. Levi32 11:48 PM GMT on May 12, 2010    
Quoting Skyepony:


They are both within 70-80 E & about 5-8S.. pretty nuch look the same..

Why does NAVY have 94S, 95S & 97S where is their 96S? or RAMMB's 97S?


They are not the same, they simply look alike. 97S is at near 6S 76E......95S is near 7S 98E. Quite far apart.

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430. MiamiHurricanes09 11:50 PM GMT on May 12, 2010    
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431. MiamiHurricanes09 11:51 PM GMT on May 12, 2010    
Quoting Levi32:


They are not the same, they simply look alike. 97S is at near 6S 76E......95S is near 7S 98E. Quite far apart.

Levi your avatar picture is gone.
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432. Levi32 11:54 PM GMT on May 12, 2010    
Quoting MiamiHurricanes09:
Levi your avatar picture is gone.


Noticed that.....I'm checking it out now it just vanished from my photos page lol. Sigh....I'll have to find it again and re-upload it.
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433. AussieStorm 11:55 PM GMT on May 12, 2010    
Can someone watch this loop and see if they can see what I am seeing. There is a spinning cloud feature north of the CV islands (20N 30W), I think that's what I am seeing.
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434. GeoffreyWPB 11:56 PM GMT on May 12, 2010    
Thanks for response Levi.
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435. GeoffreyWPB 11:58 PM GMT on May 12, 2010    
Quoting AussieStorm:
Can someone watch this loop and see if they can see what I am seeing. There is a spinning cloud feature north of the CV islands (20N 30W), I think that's what I am seeing.


Choppy loop...Can't see anything spinning.
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436. AussieStorm 12:01 AM GMT on May 13, 2010    
Quoting GeoffreyWPB:


Choppy loop...Can't see anything spinning.


Spinning cloud feature at 20N 30W. Loop
It looks low level, can just be seen on Infrared, and can't be seen on water vapor.
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437. GeoffreyWPB 12:01 AM GMT on May 13, 2010    
TWC covering a live tornado in Oklahoma.
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438. MiamiHurricanes09 12:03 AM GMT on May 13, 2010    
Quoting Levi32:


Noticed that.....I'm checking it out now it just vanished from my photos page lol. Sigh....I'll have to find it again and re-upload it.
That sucks, lol.
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439. Levi32 12:05 AM GMT on May 13, 2010    
Quoting MiamiHurricanes09:
That sucks, lol.


Fixed it.
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440. Levi32 12:08 AM GMT on May 13, 2010    
Quoting AussieStorm:
Can someone watch this loop and see if they can see what I am seeing. There is a spinning cloud feature north of the CV islands (20N 30W), I think that's what I am seeing.
Quoting AussieStorm:


Spinning cloud feature at 20N 30W. Loop
It looks low level, can just be seen on Infrared, and can't be seen on water vapor.


Just a tiny little surface trough. It is marked on surface analysis.

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441. AussieStorm 12:12 AM GMT on May 13, 2010    
Quoting Levi32:


Just a tiny little surface trough. It is marked on surface analysis.


would it be worth watching?
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442. pottery 12:14 AM GMT on May 13, 2010    
Quoting gordydunnot:
I don't know but on the Bid Ed show tonight they had a environmentalist that said the dispersant they are using on the golf oil leak will eventually wipe out all the corals from the Keys to Martin county on Fl. east coast.Before you'll get excited, I know his program is a little left of center what ever that means, but it was interesting to know that the water passing between Fl. and Cuba is 80 times greater than the flow of all the worlds rivers.

They would need to dump a million tons of toxic stuff there, do do what he says will happen. Note what he says about the amount of water involved flowing by there....maybe a million cubic yards a second or something.
What is being put into the Gulf is BAD, but it is miniscule in reality.
But it is all relative to what is being put in there already. Any increase of anything bad is a disaster. Not going to kill the corals though, I dont think.
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443. rocketboy105 12:19 AM GMT on May 13, 2010    
Finally found a number I’ve been looking for, the new temperature for the lower stratosphere. I was mistakenly thinking it was -.6 C. But that referred to some overall number. The number that really matters is the altitude where Hurricanes reject their heat. I found in one of Kerry Emanuel’s papers the data shows a -6 degree C drop, while we see a .5 degree C increase in ocean SSTs. This increases the Carnot Efficiency from 33% to 35.1%. I was fortunate enough to still have a copy of his simulator deck and ran the four possible cases to see what the maximum possible intensities were the original Ocean SST used was 30 degrees C, Stratosphere at -70. So the four cases came out like this:

30 C, -70 C = 187.9 mph, 883 mb
30.5C, -70 C = 191.6 mph, 878 mb
30 C, -76 C = 198.2 mph, 864 mb
30.5 C, -76 C = 202.1 mph, 857 mb

This produces a clearly non-trivial increased drag force on structures of 15.7%, and a dissipated power increase of 24.4 %.

We all know that only a few percent of storms ever reach their theoretical maximum intensity. But it does happen. With the remarkable TCHP in the Atlantic Basin so far, and the record SSTs, maybe we’ll get to see a new record holder to take the place of Wilma at 185 mph and 882 mb. Looks like El Nino ~ is fading too. It will be an exciting season no doubt.

By the way,…anyone watching the conditions in the North Indian? Wow!!! SSTs and TCHP,..sky high. I compared them to previous years,..amazing.
444. pottery 12:20 AM GMT on May 13, 2010    
Quoting GeoffreyWPB:
TWC covering a live tornado in Oklahoma.

What. They could'nt find a dead one??
sorry, couldnot resist.

Hope it does no harm to anyone......
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445. MiamiHurricanes09 12:20 AM GMT on May 13, 2010    
Very old image, let me re-do it.
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446. pottery 12:23 AM GMT on May 13, 2010    
Quoting MiamiHurricanes09:

I dont like the way that big red arrow is pointing straight at me.
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447. xcool 12:25 AM GMT on May 13, 2010    
Link


Live Video: Okla. Tornado Coverage
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448. MiamiHurricanes09 12:28 AM GMT on May 13, 2010    
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449. WaterWitch11 12:29 AM GMT on May 13, 2010    
Quoting GeoffreyWPB:
TWC covering a live tornado in Oklahoma.


it's nice to see greg forbes out there with vortex 2, to hear him break down the super cell they are watching.
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450. MiamiHurricanes09 12:29 AM GMT on May 13, 2010    
Quoting pottery:

I dont like the way that big red arrow is pointing straight at me.
I had to re do it because the image was very old. What is your location?
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451. pottery 12:32 AM GMT on May 13, 2010    
Quoting MiamiHurricanes09:
I had to re do it because the image was very old. What is your location?

Trinidad. At the end of the arrow!!
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