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Unusually well-organized 92L disturbance may become a tropical depression
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 2:14 PM GMT on June 14, 2010 +3
Invest 92L, a remarkably well-developed African tropical wave for so early in the season, is midway between Africa and the Lesser Antilles Islands. Infrared satellite loops show a modest area of heavy thunderstorms along the north side of 92L's center of circulation, and the storm's heavy thunderstorms activity appears to be slowly increasing in intensity and areal coverage. Upper-level outflow is apparent to the west and north of 92L, and the outflow has been gradually improving this morning. Visible satellite loops do not show much in the way of low-level spiral bands, and my current take from the satellite imagery is that 92L is slowly organizing, and will not become a tropical depression any earlier than 11pm EDT tonight (Monday.) A 4:27 am EDT pass from the WINDSAT satellite saw a partially closed circulation at the surface (open on the south side), with top surface winds of 25 - 30 mph north of the center.


Figure 1. Morning satellite image of Invest 92L (left side of image) and a vigorous new tropical wave that has moved off the coast of Africa (right side.) None of models develop the new tropical wave, but it bears watching.

Sea surface temperatures
Climatology argues against development of 92L, since only one named storm has ever formed between Africa and the Lesser Antilles Islands in the month of June--Tropical Storm Ana of 1979 (Figure 2). However, sea surface temperatures (SSTs) underneath 92L are an extremely high 28°C, and will increase to 29°C by Thursday. In fact, with summer not even here, and three more months of heating remaining until we reach peak SSTs in the Atlantic, ocean temperatures across the entire Caribbean and waters between Africa and the Lesser Antilles are about the same as they were during the peak week for water temperatures in 2009 (mid-September.)

Dry air not a problem for 92L until Wednesday
The disturbance doesn't have to worry about dry air today or Tuesday--Total Precipitable Water (TPW) loops show a very moist plume of air accompanies 92L, and water vapor satellite loops show that the center of 92L is at least 200 - 300 miles from any substantial areas of dry air. As 92L continues to push northwest, though, the SHIPS model is predicting that relative humidity at middle levels of the atmosphere will fall from the current value of about 70%, to 60% on Wednesday. This dry air may begin to cause problems for 92L on Wednesday, especially since wind shear will be increasing at the same time. Tropical cyclones are more vulnerable to dry air when there is substantial wind shear, since the strong winds causing the shear are able to inject the dry air deep into the core of the storm.

Madden-Julian Oscillation
The 60-day cycle of enhanced thunderstorm activity called the Madden-Julian Oscillation is currently favoring upward motion over eastern tropical Atlantic, and this enhanced upward motion helps create stronger updrafts and higher chances of tropical cyclone development.


Figure 2. Tropical Storm Ana of 1979 was the only June named storm on record to form between Africa and the Lesser Antilles Islands.

Wind shear
A major issue for 92L, like it is for most June disturbances, is wind shear. The subtropical jet stream has a branch flowing through the Caribbean and tropical Atlantic north of 10° N that is bringing 20 - 40 knots of wind shear to the region. Our disturbance was located near 10°N, 40°W at 8am EDT this morning, a few hundred miles south of this band of high shear, and is currently only experiencing 5 - 10 knots of shear. This low amount of shear should allow for some steady development of 92L over the next two days as it tracks west-northwest or northwest at 15 mph. The latest run of the SHIPS model is predicting the shear will rise to 20 knots on Wednesday, which may start to cause problems for 92L.

The forecast for 92L
The National Hurricane Center is giving 92L a high (60% chance) of developing into a tropical depression by Wednesday morning, which is a reasonable forecast. The odds of development have increased since yesterday, as the storm has moved considerably to the northwest, away from the Equator. Now it can leverage the Earth's spin to a much greater degree to help get it get spinning. It is quite unusual for a tropical depression to form south of 8°N latitude.

I expect that 92L's best chance to become a tropical depression will come on Tuesday, and the storm could strengthen enough by Wednesday to be named Tropical Storm Alex. The farther south 92L stays, the better chance it has at survival. With the system's steady west-northwest movement this week, 92L will probably begin encountering hostile wind shear in excess of 20 knots by Wednesday, which should interfere with continued development. Several of our reliable models do develop 92L into a tropical storm with 40 - 55 mph winds, but all of the models foresee weakening by Thursday or Friday as 92L approaches the Lesser Antilles Islands and encounters high shear and dry air. I doubt 92L will be anything stronger than a 45 mph tropical storm when it moves through the northern Lesser Antilles Islands on Friday and Saturday, and it would be no surprise if wind shear has destroyed the storm by then. However, as usual, surprises can happen, and the GFS and the SHIPS model (which is based upon the GFS) do indicate that more modest levels of wind shear in the 15 - 20 mph range late this week may allow 92L to stay stronger than I'm expecting. Residents of the islands--particularly the northern Lesser Antilles--should follow the progress of 92L closely, and anticipate heavy rains and high winds moving through the islands as early as Thursday night.

Oil spill wind forecast
There is little change to the oil spill wind forecast for the coming two weeks. Light winds of 5 - 10 knots mostly out of the south or southeast will blow in the northern Gulf of Mexico all week, according to the latest marine forecast from NOAA. These winds will keep oil near the coast of Louisiana, Alabama, Mississippi, and the extreme western Florida Panhandle, according to the latest trajectory forecasts from NOAA and the State of Louisiana. The long range 8 - 16 day forecast from the GFS model indicates a typical summertime light wind regime, with winds mostly blowing out of the south or southeast. This wind regime will likely keep oil close to the coastal areas that have already seen oil impacts over the past two weeks.

Jeff Masters
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651. TampaSpin 5:45 PM GMT on June 14, 2010    
Quoting Levi32:
Down to 40%...reasonable, though I still think this was a TD during the night.


Never was in my opinion....Vorticity has never looked like a TD to me, It has also lacked Convergence and Divergence.....not bashing you at all but, i just didn't not ever see 92L as a TD! SORRY!
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652. PolishHurrMaster 5:45 PM GMT on June 14, 2010    
Quoting RecordSeason:
479:

That's not true. Camille, Wilma, and probably Labor Day 1935 had sustained surface winds of 190mph or greater, and there wasn't needed some extreme water temperatures capable of killing wildlife.

I think You're smoking something.


According to the charts published by MIT, a 200mph sustained surface winds hurricane is easily possible at 33c water temps and -60c cloud temps, which is only 91.4f water temps. Won't see any fish kills or jellyfish kills at 91f water temps...


Based on modern record keeping, a 190mph+ sustained hurricane (at least somewhere over water) is roughly a 20 year event, maybe less, in the Atlantic.

Labor day (1935) (strongest ever to hit land)
Camille (second strongest ever to hit land)
Allen
Gilbert
Wilma (strongest CONFIRMED over water)

Probably some others I'm forgetting.



Very thanks.But are 91f SST possible in this season?
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653. MiamiHurricanes09 5:45 PM GMT on June 14, 2010    
Quoting xcool:
Still at 60%

TROPICAL WEATHER OUTLOOK
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
200 AM EDT MON JUN 14 2010

FOR THE NORTH ATLANTIC...CARIBBEAN SEA AND THE GULF OF MEXICO...

A LARGE LOW PRESSURE SYSTEM LOCATED ABOUT 1025 MILES WEST-SOUTHWEST
OF THE CAPE VERDE ISLANDS HAS CHANGED LITTLE DURING THE PAST SEVERAL
HOURS. HOWEVER...ENVIRONMENTAL CONDITIONS ARE EXPECTED TO REMAIN
CONDUCIVE FOR ADDITIONAL DEVELOPMENT OF THIS DISTURBANCE AS IT
MOVES WEST-NORTHWESTWARD TO NORTHWESTWARD AT ABOUT 15 MPH. THERE
REMAINS A HIGH CHANCE...60 PERCENT...OF THIS SYSTEM BECOMING A
TROPICAL CYCLONE DURING THE NEXT 48 HOURS.

ELSEWHERE...TROPICAL CYCLONE FORMATION IS NOT EXPECTED DURING THE
NEXT 48 HOURS.

$$
FORECASTER STEWART/BLAKE
No its not. Give me the link.
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654. masonsnana 5:46 PM GMT on June 14, 2010    
LOL Ike
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655. CyclonicVoyage 5:46 PM GMT on June 14, 2010    
Pretty well defined as others have pointed out.

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656. xcool 5:46 PM GMT on June 14, 2010    
IKE I FIX
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657. unf97 5:46 PM GMT on June 14, 2010    
Quoting EricSFL:
According to Met. Richard Knob (TWC) this morning, there "...was no upper level trough or shear ahead of the wave to inhibit development..." Yet based on the shear maps there is certainly a band in proximity to 92L.


I miss Dr. Steve Lyons.
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658. xcool 5:46 PM GMT on June 14, 2010    
Miami NO.I FIX IT
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660. Levi32 5:47 PM GMT on June 14, 2010    
Quoting TampaSpin:


Never was in my opinion....Vorticity has never looked like a TD to me, It has also lacked Convergence and Divergence.....not bashing you at all but, i just didn't not ever see 92L as a TD! SORRY!


Ya...you keep citing the CIMSS vorticity product, which is mostly based off of numerical model data when convection is covering up the lower-level clouds on satellite. Notice the wave vorticity product differed greatly and showed a well-defined center, and visible satellite told a different story showing a well-defined and closed circulation. Satellite imagery will always be true, no matter what a computer thinks.
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661. scott39 5:47 PM GMT on June 14, 2010    
Quoting MiamiHurricanes09:
Damn I was off by 10%! Give me my crow.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Ok, the winners are:

1. TampaSpin
2. JasonCoolMan09
3. Claudette1234
4. Scott39

Man, that cookie is hot and good, Thanks Miami09
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662. Hurricanes101 5:47 PM GMT on June 14, 2010    
oh well so much for 92L right? lol

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663. Floodman 5:47 PM GMT on June 14, 2010    
Quoting CaneWarning:


Where did you see this?


NHC:

1. SHOWERS AND THUNDERSTORMS ASSOCIATED WITH AN AREA OF LOW PRESSURE
LOCATED ABOUT 1375 MILES EAST OF THE WINDWARD ISLANDS HAVE BECOME
LESS ORGANIZED TODAY. ENVIRONMENTAL CONDITIONS ARE MARGINALLY
CONDUCIVE FOR DEVELOPMENT...BUT ARE EXPECTED TO BECOME LESS
FAVORABLE IN A DAY OR TWO. THERE IS A MEDIUM CHANCE...40
PERCENT...OF THIS SYSTEM BECOMING A TROPICAL CYCLONE DURING THE 48
HOURS AS IT MOVES WEST-NORTHWESTWARD TO NORTHWESTWARD AT ABOUT 15
MPH.

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664. CaneWarning 5:47 PM GMT on June 14, 2010    
So will the blog die along with 92L?
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665. MiamiHurricanes09 5:48 PM GMT on June 14, 2010    
Quoting xcool:
Miami NO.I FIX IT
I thought so.
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666. ElConando 5:48 PM GMT on June 14, 2010    
Quoting MiamiHurricanes09:
No its not. Give me the link.


it is the 2am update from this morning.
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667. SouthDadeFish 5:48 PM GMT on June 14, 2010    
Does no one notice the 2 AM at the top of that 60%???
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668. masonsnana 5:48 PM GMT on June 14, 2010    
Orange 40% at 2pm
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669. GTcooliebai 5:48 PM GMT on June 14, 2010    
Like I said before this was a td this morning about 7am when I woke up. I'm surprise it lost the convection to the south!
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670. tennisgirl08 5:48 PM GMT on June 14, 2010    
Quoting MiamiHurricanes09:
No its not. Give me the link.


He is posting the 2AM advisory, not the 2PM advisory.
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672. tornadofan 5:48 PM GMT on June 14, 2010    
Are we doomed yet by 92L?
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673. TampaSpin 5:49 PM GMT on June 14, 2010    
I'm gonna take my cookie and go on my Bike Ride.....after i change my dam flat tire...everyone have a good afternoon.......NO FIGHTING KIDS!
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674. Claudette1234 5:49 PM GMT on June 14, 2010    
Thanks brb
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676. PolishHurrMaster 5:49 PM GMT on June 14, 2010    


GFDL....crazy
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677. MiamiHurricanes09 5:49 PM GMT on June 14, 2010    
Quoting Levi32:


Ya...you keep citing the CIMSS vorticity product, which is mostly based off of numerical model data when convection is covering up the lower-level clouds on satellite. Notice the wave vorticity product differed greatly and showed a well-defined center, and visible satellite told a different story. Satellite imagery will always be true, no matter what a computer thinks.
Ok, if 92L makes it to depression status you feed every single one of us crow, but if you are wrong we all feed you crow. Fair deal?
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678. ElConando 5:49 PM GMT on June 14, 2010    
What I don't get is why is it moving so far north. Doesn't make much sense to me.
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679. xcool 5:50 PM GMT on June 14, 2010    
. Miami HA
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680. RobbieLSU 5:50 PM GMT on June 14, 2010    
Who really cares who was right? It's a discussion board. We discuss the current conditions and give opinions on what we see at the time. It's not a competition. Stop bashing each other
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681. MiamiHurricanes09 5:50 PM GMT on June 14, 2010    
Quoting tennisgirl08:


He is posting the 2AM advisory, not the 2PM advisory.
Yeah, saw the time stamp after.
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682. xcool 5:50 PM GMT on June 14, 2010    
TampaSpin BAD
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683. Hurricanes101 5:51 PM GMT on June 14, 2010    
Quoting RobbieLSU:
Who really cares who was right? It's a discussion board. We discuss the current conditions and give opinions on what we see at the time. It's not a competition. Stop bashing each other


yea no kidding, always a contest in here
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684. Claudette1234 5:51 PM GMT on June 14, 2010    
FOR THE EASTERN NORTH PACIFIC...EAST OF 140 DEGREES WEST LONGITUDE..

1. CLOUDINESS AND SHOWERS ASSOCIATED WITH A BROAD AREA OF LOW PRESSURE
LOCATED ABOUT 350 MILES WEST-SOUTHWEST OF ACAPULCO MEXICO HAVE
BECOME SLIGHTLY BETTER ORGANIZED THIS MORNING. ENVIRONMENTAL
CONDITIONS APPEAR MARGINALLY CONDUCIVE FOR SOME ADDITIONAL SLOW
DEVELOPMENT OF THE LOW OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF DAYS AS IT DRIFTS
WEST- NORTHWESTWARD. THERE IS A MEDIUM CHANCE...40 PERCENT...OF
THIS SYSTEM BECOMING A TROPICAL CYCLONE DURING THE NEXT 48 HOURS.

2. A LARGE AREA OF DISTURBED WEATHER EXTENDING SOUTHWARD FROM THE GULF
OF TEHUANTEPEC FOR A FEW HUNDRED MILES IS MOVING LITTLE.
DEVELOPMENT...IF ANY...OF THIS SYSTEM SHOULD BE SLOW TO OCCUR OVER
THE NEXT DAY OR TWO AS IT BEGINS TO DRIFT NORTHWESTWARD TO
NORTH-NORTHWESTWARD. THERE IS A LOW CHANCE...20 PERCENT...OF THIS
SYSTEM BECOMING A TROPICAL CYCLONE DURING THE NEXT 48 HOURS.

ELSEWHERE...TROPICAL CYCLONE FORMATION IS NOT EXPECTED DURING THE
NEXT 48 HOURS.

$$
FORECASTER KIMBERLAIN/BROWN
NNNN
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685. xcool 5:51 PM GMT on June 14, 2010    
RobbieLSU TRUE
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686. GTcooliebai 5:51 PM GMT on June 14, 2010    
Quoting altesticstorm10:

No it wasn't...

yes it was
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687. CaneWarning 5:51 PM GMT on June 14, 2010    
This crow talk is foolish.
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689. SpicyAngel1072 5:52 PM GMT on June 14, 2010    
We have had other storms that just wouldn't die ...I wouldn't count it out yet.

Does anyone remember the storm from last year that just would not die?
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690. SouthDadeFish 5:52 PM GMT on June 14, 2010    
Quoting altesticstorm10:
I'm going to laugh at this blog when 92L officially bites the dust...less than 2 days ago I was calling for the demise of 92L with no development and EVERYONE except for a few sensible people were calling me a "troll" and a "downcaster".

That's 95% of the blog population who called for the TD, I was always in the minority, but it appears I've been right all along.

People on this blog, especially hypecasters, should especially take a moment when quoting posts before they start dishing out stupid names like the two mentioned above...especially when I'm the one, not them, that turned out to be right.

btwntx, you first. I left the bones and feathers on and poured thousand island on just for you...CHOW DOWN!


So this post might have some significance behind if you didn't have hype up the fact that you were right. "but it appears I've been right all along" seriously? You can think whatever you want as long as you have an explanation behind it. So you may have been right, but there is no need to boast about it. Good forecasters don't have to boast. They let their predictions speak for themselves.
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691. K8eCane 5:53 PM GMT on June 14, 2010    
Pulls out my popcorn and coke....LOL
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692. IKE 5:53 PM GMT on June 14, 2010    
Quoting CaneWarning:
So will the blog die along with 92L?


Probably.

So much for a history maker....for now.

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693. Levi32 5:53 PM GMT on June 14, 2010    
Quoting MiamiHurricanes09:
Ok, if 92L makes it to depression status you feed every single one of us crow, but if you are wrong we all feed you crow. Fair deal?


Unlike some in here, I don't care about dishing out crow. Meteorology is one of the only professions on this earth where you are allowed to be wrong a good deal of the time. This was a tough forecast because of climatology, but it's far from over yet, and even if this doesn't develop it is still very concerning that it even existed in the first place.
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694. twhcracker 5:53 PM GMT on June 14, 2010    
Quoting DestinJeff:
Dearly beloved, we are gathered here today to remember a truely almost-historic figure, Tropical Invest 92L.

Born of African tropical wave descent during the climatalogically unfavorable month of June 2010, 92L showed great promise in making history by developing a closed surface low pressure. It was once thought that 92L may become TS Alex, joining only TS Ana in 1979 as the only other named system to form in the Atlantic during June.

92L had a massive cloud field early in life, but that was quickly abated by D-MIN, and 92L never could regain convection near the CoC before encountering hostile shear in the upper atmosphere.

92L was single and has no known surviving kin, although some reports indicate a brief affair may have led to a child, 93L.

RIP.


an affair with a steamy tropical mama, a very curvy caribbean wave
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695. SouthALWX 5:53 PM GMT on June 14, 2010    
Quoting TampaSpin:


Never was in my opinion....Vorticity has never looked like a TD to me, It has also lacked Convergence and Divergence.....not bashing you at all but, i just didn't not ever see 92L as a TD! SORRY!

It had PLENTY of divergence, that's not debatable. It had the best outflow of any tropical system that was not atleast TD that I have ever seen.
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697. MiamiHurricanes09 5:54 PM GMT on June 14, 2010    
Quoting Hurricanes101:


yea no kidding, always a contest in here
It's isn't a real competition, just a fun one. (At least I don't think it is.)
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698. Hurricanes101 5:54 PM GMT on June 14, 2010    
Quoting CaneWarning:
This crow talk is foolish.


It really is, kinda scares me that some could be so immature

the whole I was right you were wrong thing is like high school lol
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699. twhcracker 5:54 PM GMT on June 14, 2010    
Quoting MiamiHurricanes09:
No its not. Give me the link.


i know i am but what are you.
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700. Claudette1234 5:55 PM GMT on June 14, 2010    


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701. scott39 5:55 PM GMT on June 14, 2010    
Hey cmon folks, If theres nothing else youve learned on here, you cant rip an invest until its dead! Look how many storms have been ripped in past seasons and then have come back. 92L may very well dye, but let him die with dignity. Hes earned it! LOL
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