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Lesser Antilles may see a tropical storm late this week
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 1:51 PM GMT on August 01, 2010 +3
A concentrated area of intense thunderstorms near 9N 36W, midway between Africa and the Lesser Antilles Islands, has become more organized this morning. NHC has labeled this system Invest 91L, and is giving it a 60% chance of developing into a tropical depression by 8am Tuesday. Wind shear is a moderate 10 - 20 knots, sea surface temperatures are at record highs, and the dust and dry air of the Saharan Air Layer (SAL) are far enough to the north of 91L to potentially allow further development. The main negatives for development are the current phase of the Madden-Julian Oscillation, which favors downward motion over the tropical Atlantic, and the fact that 91L is too close to the Equator to take much advantage of the Earth's spin to get spinning. Last night's ASCAT pass of the region did show a large region of westerly winds south of 91L, indicating that a surface circulation is trying to form. Satellite imagery shows that the intensity and areal extent of 91L's heavy thunderstorms is increasing. However, there are no signs of a surface circulation, and low-level spiral bands and upper-level outflow are not apparent yet.

Forecast for 91L
There is strong model support for 91L developing into a tropical depression. The GFS, ECMWF, NOGAPS, and UKMET models all develop 91L into a tropical depression by Tuesday or Wednesday. A west to west-northwest motion is predicted, and residents of the Lesser Antilles Islands should anticipate the possibility of a tropical storm arriving in the islands as early as Thursday. It is possible that 91L would pass northeast of the islands, as predicted by the UKMET model, and it is too early to speculate on which of the islands is at most risk. As the storm approaches the Lesser Antilles late this week, 91L will encounter a strong upper-level low pressure system centered north of Puerto Rico. This upper-level low will likely bring high levels of wind shear to the waters just north of Puerto Rico and Hispaniola. Thus, if 91L stays to the south, in the Caribbean, it is far more likely to attain hurricane status than if it pushes north of the Caribbean. As always, long range forecasts of this sort are speculative, and it is too early to reliably say what the long-term risks of 91L becoming a hurricane are. The latest intensity forecast from the SHIPS model shows 91L peaking in strength four days from now, then weakening as it encounters the high wind shear area north of Puerto Rico.


Figure 1. Morning satellite image of Invest 91L.

Next update
I'll have an update Monday morning.

Jeff Masters
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1601. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod) 9:15 PM GMT on August 01, 2010    
Quoting DaytonaBeachWatcher:

1552. CaneBeast2010
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why dont they just ban him again
because its just a waste of time different approach for different folks he will be back again and again hes the wunder ground stalker
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1602. cirrocumulus 9:15 PM GMT on August 01, 2010    
It looks like TD4 will form just in time for Monday morning news and weather.
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1606. bappit 9:16 PM GMT on August 01, 2010    
Quoting MiamiHurricanes09:
What are you looking at? 91L has a well-defined closed surface circulation with organized convection. Satellite estimates also are worthy of tropical depression classification.

You may have a future in selling underwater real estate. :)
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1607. stormpetrol 9:16 PM GMT on August 01, 2010    
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1608. DaytonaBeachWatcher 9:16 PM GMT on August 01, 2010    
Ford Focus, Ike? LOL I think I am losing respect for you as i type, lol, j/k.
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1609. nash28 9:17 PM GMT on August 01, 2010    
I'd love to be back. I just don't have the patience for a couple of things...

1) 6,000 posts- That get ridiculous when you are trying to keep up with people, and many times, your obs get lost two pages ago within seconds...

2) The trolls. Now, in years past I would engage them and end up banned myself, which was an exercise in futility. No more of that. I also do not go ape over Invests anymore. Education will do that to ya! I will be on in some capacity when needed.
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1610. FloridaHeat 9:17 PM GMT on August 01, 2010    
when will they give 91L a real name???
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1611. xcool 9:17 PM GMT on August 01, 2010    
Well, I'm thinking it's safe to say that the question is not 'if' 91L will develop, but 'when'. Hopefully, NHC lets it fully separate from the ITCZ and gain a well-defined LLC before upgrading today. Hard to be confident in that given the recent TWO wording. I think it will be a TD by sunrise tomorrow for the first visible imagery, though.

I notice that the latest SHIPS output has some quite strong shear past 72 hrs, up to 36 kts at 108 hrs. Obviously seeing that upper low north of the eastern Caribbean. Question is - will it really have that much influence on a developing TC. Will it move out of the way? GFS seems to move it out as 91L approaches. But there's a chance it could impart enough shear to weaken 91L/Colin as it nears the islands.

Question is, where will it eventually make its final landfall. I'm thinking somewhere between Tampico, MX and Iceland, presently. Sort of centered along the SE U.S. Coast. Will it cross into the Gulf? Maybe. Models have been indicating a significant weakness in the ridge to the north after it passes around 65W. Will it actually be there? Maybe.

First thing to determine, assuming it develops, is the potential threat to the islands of the NE Caribbean. It's so far south, it's hard to believe that it'll miss the NE Caribbean as many models suggest. Regardless, watch out Bahamas then Florida to the Carolinas, as once it gets away from the upper low it could strengthen quickly. Won't even speculate on final intensity yet, it's still 1600+ miles east of the Caribbean.

Guess I'll be busy the next 10-14 days (and through Thanksgiving).


BY wxman57 Moderator-Pro Met


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1612. DaytonaBeachWatcher 9:18 PM GMT on August 01, 2010    
Quoting KEEPEROFTHEGATE:
because its just a waste of time different approach for different folks he will be back again and again hes the wunder ground stalker


Yeah I know KOG i just think it would be easeir to ban his IP again or his new name and then wait a while for him to make another one instead of constantly deleting his posts one by one.
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1613. IKE 9:19 PM GMT on August 01, 2010    
Quoting DaytonaBeachWatcher:
Ford Focus, Ike? LOL I think I am losing respect for you as i type, lol, j/k.


A 2010....nice car....


Quoting nash28:
I'd love to be back. I just don't have the patience for a couple of things...

1) 6,000 posts- That get ridiculous when you are trying to keep up with people, and many times, your obs get lost two pages ago within seconds...

2) The trolls. Now, in years past I would engage them and end up banned myself, which was an exercise in futility. No more of that. I also do not go ape over Invests anymore. Education will do that to ya! I will be on in some capacity when needed.


That I will agree with. The first one of the year is exciting but it starts to wear off after that.
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1614. stormpetrol 9:19 PM GMT on August 01, 2010    
Link
JUst watch the orange ball!
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1615. icmoore 9:19 PM GMT on August 01, 2010    
Quoting btwntx08:

ecmwf says otherwise xD


Okay I'll bite what does it say? :)
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1616. Dennis8 9:19 PM GMT on August 01, 2010    
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1619. cirrocumulus 9:21 PM GMT on August 01, 2010    
Wave axis energy from the east beginning to merge with the western ITCZ energy and wave. This should get interesting!

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1621. hydrus 9:21 PM GMT on August 01, 2010    
Two blobs..
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1622. xcool 9:22 PM GMT on August 01, 2010    
btwntx08:posting shear map for me plz thanks
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1623. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod) 9:22 PM GMT on August 01, 2010    
Quoting wunderkidcayman:
hey KEEPEROFTHEGATE well if I am seeing this the way that you are thebold is what 91L has well if that is so 91L has met the requrerments for TCFA 37 points
37 which indicates a possible T.C.F.A. 39 or greater then a T.C.F.W.
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1624. wayne0224 9:22 PM GMT on August 01, 2010    
WOW from its a fish storm to its gonna hit this area just sit back and let this storm develop then models will pick up on things better in 24 to 48 hours this is a long way off and many things will change. shear and the sal my play a role in what this does then again it may do its own thing one things is for certain none of us know what its gonna do.
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1625. JUSTCOASTING 9:23 PM GMT on August 01, 2010    
Thanks Storm !!!!!
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1628. bappit 9:23 PM GMT on August 01, 2010    
Quoting MississippiWx:
With the exception of Bonnie, it seems like our systems want to be big this year. We can most likely attribute that to the large build up of heat in the Atlantic.

Big systems will draw in more dry air from the SAL even before they become named. Large build up of heat could have a negative effect on TC development.
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1629. BiloxiIsle 9:24 PM GMT on August 01, 2010    
Quoting DaytonaBeachWatcher:

1552. CaneBeast2010
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why dont they just ban him again

What's the point? He will just come back in under a different name.
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1630. Tazmanian 9:24 PM GMT on August 01, 2010    
re porting JFV is fun
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1631. Goldenblack 9:24 PM GMT on August 01, 2010    
Nash,

I have read you before, you are a respected opinion. I just don't understand the frustration, people are people.....and where this is Dr. Master's Blog, this is a comments section, not a discussion board. I know that others treat it this way....but I do not see where the qualifications of a blog comment section to be "you have to be a qualified forecaster"....

Quoting nash28:
I'd love to be back. I just don't have the patience for a couple of things...

1) 6,000 posts- That get ridiculous when you are trying to keep up with people, and many times, your obs get lost two pages ago within seconds...

2) The trolls. Now, in years past I would engage them and end up banned myself, which was an exercise in futility. No more of that. I also do not go ape over Invests anymore. Education will do that to ya! I will be on in some capacity when needed.
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1632. NewBdoBdo 9:24 PM GMT on August 01, 2010    
Thanks for the youtube post PensacolaDoug...it was nice to hear Holtz "the planets" music
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1633. cirrocumulus 9:25 PM GMT on August 01, 2010    
The image regressed to 20:15. This should be 20:45 which shows the merge reaching from west to east on the higher cloud tops.

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1634. Tazmanian 9:25 PM GMT on August 01, 2010    
Quoting BiloxiIsle:

What's the point? He will just come back in under a different name.



ture i dont think JFV under stans what the word BANNED means
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1635. hunkerdown 9:25 PM GMT on August 01, 2010    
Quoting FLdewey:
For the umpteenth time there is nobody deleting his posts..

WE are deleting them!

Just click the minus next to his name and after a few people do that it disappears. It's fun - try it. ;-)
wrong, we are not deleting them...when you click the minus it goes to admin. when you see it saying removed for community standards that is the admin's deleting.
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1636. Patrap 9:25 PM GMT on August 01, 2010    
Updated 18Z
18z Early Cycle NHC model tracks
Invest91
Statistical/Simple Models (CLIPER,BAMs,LBAR,other Statistical Models)





Dynamic Models (More sophisticated models)



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1637. FloridaHeat 9:25 PM GMT on August 01, 2010    
i read someone on here earlier say that this would be a tropical depression at 5 oclock but it appears that is not the case
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1638. DaytonaBeachWatcher 9:26 PM GMT on August 01, 2010    
personally i dont care if they ban him or anyone else or not, when we dont have a storm to deal with, it just makes the blog more interesting to watch everyone get upset with him and other people and when there is a storm you can hardly keep up with the blog so in my opinion he gets overlooked anyhow. and if it is true that admin is not doing it and it is because of the little minus button then what is the point in me picking see all if i cant see all.
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1640. nyhurricaneboy 9:27 PM GMT on August 01, 2010    
Quoting A4Guy:
OK y'all. While we are waiting for things to ramp up with our latest invest...let's have a little humor. Hope everyone enjoys the following list and takes it in the spirit in which it was intended.

Comments Welcome!!

WishCaster – the one that started it all. No further explanation required.

FishCaster – predicts all storms are “fish” even before advisories are initiated by the NHC

ConeCaster – predicts their area will be in the 5-day cone of doom – so they can be subjected to 24 hour local news coverage about the coming storm

FloCaster – predicts all storms will hit the Florida peninsula

BendCaster – a sub-group of FloCasters that predict all storms in or approaching the GOM will “take a sharp right turn…likeWilma” to strike the Florida peninsula

TrackCaster – for any new storm, finds the track of a similarly situated storm in history that takes the current storm to their doorstep (even though we all can find a dozen other storm tracks that take the storm somewhere else)

CrackCaster – creates WU blog posts while on crack. No need to name names – but we can all probably spot a few

RainCaster – wishes a storm would hit their locale because “we need the rain…”

MaineCaster – predicts the storm “will take a turn to the north and hit New England” (even though the storm might already be in the Western Carib). Probably lives north of the Mason-Dixon line.

MinCaster – admits they love the thrill of a hurricane…but only want a Cat 1 or Cat 2…nothing too severe, please

MaxCaster – NOT the opposite of a MinCaster…a MaxCaster quotes Max Mayfield (so they probably live in South Florida, where we can see him on local news casts)

BustCaster – predicts the season will be a below average bust – even though we are first entering August and have already had two named storms.

DustCaster – predicts that the Saharan Air Layer will interfere with and disrupt all storms (even the ones in the GOM nowhere near the SAL)

SmartCaster – StormW, MiamiHurricanes09, Levi…and a few others that use science, logic, and intelligence to help everyone understand what might happen with a given system

HeartCaster – nice people that help by donating time, money, supplies, etc. to areas impacted by natural disasters

Last but not least….

StoneCaster – hurls insults at others on the blog (some justified…but mostly unjustified)


Proud mincaster right here! ;)

Anyways, 91L wasn't declared... and I can see why. I have to admit I jumped the gun on this one. It will, however, have the organization needed to be declared by the 11 pm EDT advisory, 5 am EDT at the latest. Then, the real fun begins...
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1641. Snowlover123 9:27 PM GMT on August 01, 2010    
Quoting Patrap:
Updated 18Z
18z Early Cycle NHC model tracks
Invest91
Statistical/Simple Models (CLIPER,BAMs,LBAR,other Statistical Models)





Dynamic Models (More sophisticated models)





This is a definate east coast storm. Everyone start preparing on the East Coast!
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1642. hunkerdown 9:27 PM GMT on August 01, 2010    
Quoting bappit:

Big systems will draw in more dry air from the SAL even before they become named. Large build up of heat could have a negative effect on TC development.
big systems can also create their own environment, even with SAL around.
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1643. Patrap 9:27 PM GMT on August 01, 2010    
Storm Relative Viz



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1644. Dakster 9:28 PM GMT on August 01, 2010    
Quoting bappit:

You may have a future in selling underwater real estate. :)


He will have ample competition being in South Florida...
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1646. xcool 9:28 PM GMT on August 01, 2010    
btwntx08 .thanks sir.
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1647. Patrap 9:28 PM GMT on August 01, 2010    
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1648. Gumbogator 9:28 PM GMT on August 01, 2010    
Looks like they've got the NOAA G-IV on ice til 8/4 out of TISX(where is zat)??
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1649. Dennis8 9:28 PM GMT on August 01, 2010    
FXUS64 KHGX 011940
AFDHGX

AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE HOUSTON/GALVESTON TX
240 PM CDT SUN AUG 1 2010

.DISCUSSION...
UPPER LEVEL RIDGE OVER TEXAS WILL KEEP HOT CONDITIONS IN PLACE
THROUGH THE NEXT 5-7 DAYS. HUMIDITY WILL POSSIBLY BE HIGHER
STARTING TOMORROW THROUGH WEDNESDAY SO WILL HAVE TO MONITOR FOR
HEAT ADVISORY CONDITIONS. THE RIDGE MAY FLATTEN SOME TOWARDS THE
WEEKEND SO WILL SHAVE A DEGREE OR TWO OFF MAX TEMPS FROM EARLIER
IN THE WEEK AND KEEP SLIGHT CHANCE OF THUNDERSTORMS FRI-SUN.

TROPICS MAY DECIDE TO ACT UP WITH AN ORGANIZING SYSTEM IN THE
ATLANTIC. LONG RANGE MODELS BRING THIS SYSTEM TOWARDS SE U.S. BY
NEXT WEEKEND.

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1650. cirrocumulus 9:28 PM GMT on August 01, 2010    
On the NOAA loop, the primary energy transfer occurred between 20:15 and 20:45. From here it should begin to consolidate rapidly.
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1651. bappit 9:28 PM GMT on August 01, 2010    
Quoting MiamiHurricanes09: What are you looking at? 91L has a well-defined closed surface circulation with organized convection. Satellite estimates also are worthy of tropical depression classification.

I've seen no evidence of "a well-defined closed surface circulation with organized convection."
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