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Causes of the Russian heat wave and Pakistani floods
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 2:56 PM GMT on August 13, 2010 +4
The Great Russian Heat Wave of 2010 is one of the most intense, widespread, and long-lasting heat waves in world history. Only the European heat wave of 2003, which killed 35,000 - 50,000 people, and the incredible North American heat wave of July 1936, which set all-time extreme highest temperature records in fifteen U.S. states, can compare. All of these heat waves were caused by a highly unusual kink in the jet stream that remained locked in place for over a month. The jet stream is an upper-level river of air, between the altitudes of about 30,000 - 40,000 feet (10,000 - 12,000 meters). In July over Europe and Asia, the jet stream has two branches: a strong southern "subtropical" jet that blows across southern Europe, and a weaker "polar" jet that blows across northern Europe. The polar jet stream carries along the extratropical cyclones (lows) that bring the mid-latitudes most of their precipitation. The polar jet stream also acts as the boundary between cold, Arctic air, and warm tropical air. If the polar jet stream shifts to the north of its usual location, areas just to its south will be much hotter and drier than normal. In July 2010, a remarkably strong polar jet stream developed over northern Europe. This jet curved far to the north of Moscow, then plunged southwards towards Pakistan. This allowed hot air to surge northwards over most of European Russia, and prevented rain-bearing low pressure systems from traveling over the region. These rain-bearing low pressure systems passed far to the north of European Russia, then dove unusually far to the south, into northern Pakistan. The heavy rains from these lows combined with Pakistan's usual summer monsoon rains to trigger Pakistan's most devastating floods in history.


Figure 1. Winds of the jet stream at an altitude of 300 millibars (roughly 30,000 feet high). Left: Average July winds from the period 1968 - 1996 show that a two-branch jet stream typically occurs over Europe and Asia--a northern "polar" jet stream, and a more southerly "subtropical" jet stream. Right: the jet stream pattern in July 2010 was highly unusual, with a very strong polar jet looping far to the north of Russia, then diving southwards towards Pakistan. Image credit: NOAA/ESRL.

What caused this unusual jet stream pattern?
The unusual jet stream pattern that led to the 2010 Russian heat wave and Pakistani floods began during the last week of June, and remained locked in place all of July and for the first half of August. Long-lived "blocking" episodes like this are usually caused by unusual sea surface temperature patterns, according to recent research done using climate models. For example, Feudale and Shukla (2010) found that during the summer of 2003, exceptionally high sea surface temperatures of 4°C (7°F) above average over the Mediterranean Sea, combined with unusually warm SSTs in the northern portion of the North Atlantic Ocean near the Arctic, combined to shift the jet stream to the north over Western Europe and create the heat wave of 2003. I expect that the current SST pattern over the ocean regions surrounding Europe played a key role in shifting the jet stream to create the heat wave of 2010. Note that the SST anomaly pattern is quite different this year compared to 2003, which may be why this year's heat wave hit Eastern Europe, and the 2003 heat wave hit Western Europe. Human-caused climate change also may have played a role; using climate models, Stott et al. (2004) found it very likely (>90% chance) that human-caused climate change has at least doubled the risk of severe heat waves like the great 2003 European heat wave.


Figure 2. A comparison of the departure of sea surface temperature (SST) from average just prior the the start of the great European heat waves of 2003 and 2010. Temperatures in the Mediterranean Sea were up to 4°C above average in 2003, which has been implicated as a major cause of the Western European heat wave of 2003. Image credit: NOAA/NESDIS.

References
Feudale, L., and J. Shukla (2010), "Influence of sea surface temperature on the European heat wave of 2003 summer. Part I: an observational study", Climate Dynamics DOI: 10.1007/s00382-010-0788-0

Stott, P.A., Stone, D.A., and M.R. Allen (2004), "Human contribution to the European heatwave of 2003", Nature 432, 610-614 (2 December 2004) | doi:10.1038/nature03089. (Here is a free version of the paper, presented at a conference.)

The World Meteorological Organization (WMO) has posted an analysis of the recent extreme weather events, concluding, "the sequence of current events matches IPCC projections of more frequent and more intense extreme weather events due to global warming."

See also my posts, The Great Russian Heat Wave of 2010: 102°F in Moscow and, Over 15,000 likely dead in Russian heat wave; Asian monsoon floods kill hundreds more.

Moscow sees real relief from the Great Russian Heat Wave of 2010
For the first time in more than a month, temperatures at Moscow's Domodedovo airport failed to exceed 30°C (86°F) today. Clouds and thunderstorms blew into the city this morning, keeping the high temperature down to just 29°C (84°F). This breaks a string of 35 straight days when the temperature reached 30°C. At Moscow's official observing site, the Moscow Observatory, this string was 30 days. Moscow's average high temperature for August 13 is 20°C (68°F), so today's temperatures were still well above normal. However, today's cool-down marks the beginning of the end for Russia's great heat wave. The latest forecast for Moscow calls for high temperatures below 30°C for the coming week, and Moscow may not exceed that threshold for the remainder of summer. Long range forecasts from the ECMWF and GFS models continue to suggest that a series of troughs of low pressure will attack the ridge of high pressure anchored over Russia, bringing cooler temperatures just 5°C (8°F) above average to Russia late next week. By ten days from now, the ECMWF model shows a strong trough of low pressure over Moscow, and a end to the Great Russian Heat Wave of 2010. Moscow still has to concern itself with smoke from the wildfires burning southeast of the city; winds are expected to shift early next week and bring the smoke towards the city again. However, the cooler weather should aid fire-fighting efforts, so the smoke problems should not be as bad as last week's nightmare.


Figure 2. Image from NASA's Aqua satellite of smoke from wildfires burning to the southeast of Moscow yesterday, August 12, 2010. Northerly winds were keeping the smoke from blowing over the city. Image credit: NASA.

The tropics are quiet
The remnants of Tropical Depression Five continue to bring heavy rain to portions of Southeast Louisiana today. Up to five inches of rain has fallen in regions near New Orleans. The GFS model predicts that the remains of TD 5 could move off the coast of Mississippi by the middle of next week and regenerate, but none of the other models is making this forecast. Both the GFS and ECMWF models are predicting that a tropical storm will develop off the coast of Africa by next Friday, August 20.

Donations urgently needed in Pakistan
The devastation wrought by the worst flooding in Pakistan's history requires a huge response by the international community. Wunderblogger Dr. Ricky Rood, author of our Climate Change Blog, has a friend working in Pakistan who underscored the desperate situation there:

This is the worst natural disaster in the history of Pakistan in terms of number of people and area affected. Although not as many people have been killed as in the 2005 earthquake, we have already nearly 900,000 displaced persons thus far just in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa. Crops are destroyed; shops, hotels, and other business have simply been swept away in Swat, which had just this year been cleared of Taliban and was on the way to recovery; and districts closer to Peshawar and parts of Peshawar district are still, or perhaps again after yesterday/today, under water. After the immediate emergency response, it will be years of rebuilding to replace what has been lost and to start to develop again. I know you have the power to control the weather, so if you cold give us a week or two without more rain at least we could keep the helicopters flying and give people a chance to go to their homes, recover what might still be there, set up tents if we can get enough to them, and start to clean up."

She gave the following recommendations for charities that do work in the flood-ravaged zone, and are effective at getting aid to those who need it the most:

Doctors Without Borders

The International Red Cross

MERLIN medical relief charity

The mobile giving service mGive allows one to text the word "SWAT" to 50555. The text will result in a $10 donation to the UN Refugee Agency (UNHCR) Pakistan Flood Relief Effort.

She mentioned that it is better to send money to the organizations doing the relief work than to try to organize shipments of goods.

Jeff Masters
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2651. Levi32 4:08 AM GMT on August 15, 2010    
Quoting MississippiWx:


Positive 500mb height anomalies that far north would hopefully and more than likely not allow a Cape Verde system to make it into the Gulf. It would curve before making it there.


Ya and this storm will more than likely be coming in way too far north to get into the gulf.
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2652. TexasHurricane 4:11 AM GMT on August 15, 2010    
Quoting xcool:


00z gfs


How strong is that and is it going west towards Texas or through LA only?
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2653. MississippiWx 4:11 AM GMT on August 15, 2010    
00z GFS takes ex-TD5 down to 1005mb before making landfall in Southern Louisiana. It certainly looks like the Florida Panhandle, Lower Alabama, South Mississippi and Central and Southern Louisiana will end up getting a wash out from this system. I'm afraid some will have some serious flooding issues to deal with and this could be the first damaging effects from the 2010 hurricane season in the United States.
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2654. TampaSpin 4:11 AM GMT on August 15, 2010    
I wonder if NOAA and NHC will ever use the word hyper again....not saying yet we won't have a busy season yet......but, the word hyper may have been on the extreme.
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2655. Drakoen 4:13 AM GMT on August 15, 2010    
Quoting MississippiWx:
00z GFS takes ex-TD5 down to 1005mb before making landfall in Southern Louisiana. It certainly looks like the Florida Panhandle, Lower Alabama, South Mississippi and Central and Southern Louisiana will end up getting a wash out from this system. I'm afraid some will have some serious flooding issues to deal with and this could be the first damaging effects from the 2010 hurricane season in the United States.


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2656. TampaSpin 4:13 AM GMT on August 15, 2010    
Quoting Levi32:


Ya and this storm will more than likely be coming in way too far north to get into the gulf.


This just might be the Big Apple storm that no one wants. That would be bad. Way to early to forecast that yet.......i would still favor a more southerly route tho.
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2657. xcool 4:13 AM GMT on August 15, 2010    


cv
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2659. nolacane2009 4:14 AM GMT on August 15, 2010    
Found this on Crownweather.com

Ex-Tropical Depression #5:
What is left of TD 5 continues to meander around the southeastern United States and is located this morning just northwest of Montgomery, Alabama. All of the reliable forecast model guidance is forecasting that Ex-Tropical Depression 5 will start tracking to the south and southeast tonight and reach the northern Gulf of Mexico near the coast of Alabama and Mississippi on Monday. After that, the model guidance vary some on how much this system will re-intensify over the northern Gulf of Mexico. Model guidance like the GFS, Canadian and UKMET forecast that this will develop into a tropical storm while it tracks slowly westward reaching southeastern Louisiana Monday night and Tuesday. The European model, on the other hand, is weaker and forecasts that this system will be just at tropical depression strength as it tracks westward on Monday and Tuesday and coming back inland into southern Louisiana around Wednesday. It is interesting to note that the 06 UTC GFS model is forecasting a slightly more southward track which would give Ex-TD 5 more time to intensify before it forecasts it to come ashore on the upper Texas coast around Wednesday.

At this point, heavy rain with the threat for flooding will continue for at least the next 3 to 4 days across the northern Gulf coast. Additional rainfall totals across coastal southeast Louisiana, coastal Mississippi, coastal Alabama and the Florida Panhandle are expected to exceed 5 inches. This is on top of the heavy rainfall that has already accumulated across this area. So, flooding is a significant concern and those of you in this area should monitor local flood watches and warnings and take appropriate action if necessary.

Now, my opinion is that there is medium-high chance that this will regain at least tropical depression status during Monday as it tracks just offshore of the coast of Alabama and Mississippi. Environmental conditions are pretty favorable in this area and it may not take very long for it to intensify to tropical storm strength. Now, if this system tracks westward into southeast and southern Louisiana on Tuesday, then I think we’d be looking at a low to moderate tropical storm. Now, if this system take a slightly further south track like the 06 UTC GFS model is suggesting, then we may be looking at something stronger as it would have an additional 24 to 36 hours over favorable environmental conditions. All interests along the upper Texas coast, the Louisiana coast, the Mississippi coast and the Alabama coast should keep close tabs on this system. Needless to say, I will be monitoring Ex-Tropical Depression 5 very closely and will keep you all updated.
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2660. MississippiWx 4:14 AM GMT on August 15, 2010    
Quoting Drakoen:




Yeah, that just backs up my statement. Could be some really bad flooding issues for my area.
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2661. hurricane23 4:15 AM GMT on August 15, 2010    
Twinkster,

Based on the synoptic upper air pattern being layed out by the models i'd say this disturbance makes to atleast 50-55w before any trough influence takes place. Just have to wait & see if the trough that is progged to move through the northeast US and then offshore, is stronger or weaker than progged and then also if it is slower or faster. The U.S. is hit by a mere one in six that become TD's east of 50W and S of 20N. Moreover, this looks to form well east of 50W. (Of course, some of those either dissipate in mid-ocean or go too far south, but most recurve.) So, it isn't as if the U.S. needs much luck in getting a properly timed trough to keep it protected. Rather, that is usually what happens. The anomaly is when it isn't protected. However, with it being a solid La Nina and with the prime formation period for U.S. CV storm hits during La Ninas being next week (8/15-21), one should be more vigilant than normal.

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2662. JRRP 4:15 AM GMT on August 15, 2010    
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2663. Twinkster 4:16 AM GMT on August 15, 2010    
Quoting hurricane23:
Twinkster,

Based on the synoptic upper air pattern being layed out by the models i'd say this disturbance makes to atleast 50-55w before any trough influence takes place. Just have to wait & see if the trough that is progged to move through the northeast US and then offshore, is stronger or weaker than progged and then also if it is slower or faster. The U.S. is hit by a mere one in six that become TD's east of 50W and S of 20N. Moreover, this looks to form well east of 50W. (Of course, some of those either dissipate in mid-ocean or go too far south, but most recurve.) So, it isn't as if the U.S. needs much luck in getting a properly timed trough to keep it protected. Rather, that is usually what happens. The anomaly is when it isn't protected. However, with it being a solid La Nina and with the prime formation period for U.S. CV storm hits during La Ninas being next week (8/15-21), one should be more vigilant than normal.



thanks
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2664. Kristina40 4:18 AM GMT on August 15, 2010    
Thanks nolacane! I've been trying to find info on this all evening. Most helpful.
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2665. MississippiWx 4:19 AM GMT on August 15, 2010    
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2666. Drakoen 4:19 AM GMT on August 15, 2010    
Big system. ROCI around 10 degrees:

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2667. MiamiHurricanes09 4:19 AM GMT on August 15, 2010    
132 hours.



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2668. nolacane2009 4:19 AM GMT on August 15, 2010    
Quoting Kristina40:
Thanks nolacane! I've been trying to find info on this all evening. Most helpful.


I am going to post something else I found from there about the Atlantic and the East Coast.
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2670. Drakoen 4:20 AM GMT on August 15, 2010    
Quoting hurricane23:
Twinkster,

Based on the synoptic upper air pattern being layed out by the models i'd say this disturbance makes to atleast 50-55w before any trough influence takes place. Just have to wait & see if the trough that is progged to move through the northeast US and then offshore, is stronger or weaker than progged and then also if it is slower or faster. The U.S. is hit by a mere one in six that become TD's east of 50W and S of 20N. Moreover, this looks to form well east of 50W. (Of course, some of those either dissipate in mid-ocean or go too far south, but most recurve.) So, it isn't as if the U.S. needs much luck in getting a properly timed trough to keep it protected. Rather, that is usually what happens. The anomaly is when it isn't protected. However, with it being a solid La Nina and with the prime formation period for U.S. CV storm hits during La Ninas being next week (8/15-21), one should be more vigilant than normal.



Completely agree
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2671. MississippiWx 4:20 AM GMT on August 15, 2010    
Quoting nolacane2009:
Found this on Crownweather.com

Ex-Tropical Depression #5:
What is left of TD 5 continues to meander around the southeastern United States and is located this morning just northwest of Montgomery, Alabama. All of the reliable forecast model guidance is forecasting that Ex-Tropical Depression 5 will start tracking to the south and southeast tonight and reach the northern Gulf of Mexico near the coast of Alabama and Mississippi on Monday. After that, the model guidance vary some on how much this system will re-intensify over the northern Gulf of Mexico. Model guidance like the GFS, Canadian and UKMET forecast that this will develop into a tropical storm while it tracks slowly westward reaching southeastern Louisiana Monday night and Tuesday. The European model, on the other hand, is weaker and forecasts that this system will be just at tropical depression strength as it tracks westward on Monday and Tuesday and coming back inland into southern Louisiana around Wednesday. It is interesting to note that the 06 UTC GFS model is forecasting a slightly more southward track which would give Ex-TD 5 more time to intensify before it forecasts it to come ashore on the upper Texas coast around Wednesday.

At this point, heavy rain with the threat for flooding will continue for at least the next 3 to 4 days across the northern Gulf coast. Additional rainfall totals across coastal southeast Louisiana, coastal Mississippi, coastal Alabama and the Florida Panhandle are expected to exceed 5 inches. This is on top of the heavy rainfall that has already accumulated across this area. So, flooding is a significant concern and those of you in this area should monitor local flood watches and warnings and take appropriate action if necessary.

Now, my opinion is that there is medium-high chance that this will regain at least tropical depression status during Monday as it tracks just offshore of the coast of Alabama and Mississippi. Environmental conditions are pretty favorable in this area and it may not take very long for it to intensify to tropical storm strength. Now, if this system tracks westward into southeast and southern Louisiana on Tuesday, then I think we’d be looking at a low to moderate tropical storm. Now, if this system take a slightly further south track like the 06 UTC GFS model is suggesting, then we may be looking at something stronger as it would have an additional 24 to 36 hours over favorable environmental conditions. All interests along the upper Texas coast, the Louisiana coast, the Mississippi coast and the Alabama coast should keep close tabs on this system. Needless to say, I will be monitoring Ex-Tropical Depression 5 very closely and will keep you all updated.


This was also written before the EURO's 12z run which brings the system to weak Tropical Storm strength. We'll see what the 00z run shows. The NAM and GFS have shown that they believe in a stronger system.
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2672. nolacane2009 4:21 AM GMT on August 15, 2010    
Found this as well.

Off Of US Southeast Coast Next Week:
I wanted to point out that a few of the models, the NAM, the Canadian and the NOGAPS model are hinting pretty strongly at some sort of development off of the US Southeast coast in the next seven days. The model details of when this development will occur differ between these three models with the NAM and NOGAPS forecasting development as soon as Monday while the Canadian model holds off until next weekend. The other model guidance like the GFS and European models do not forecast development.

Looking at the current weather picture off of the US Southeast coast, one can see a frontal system extending as far south as 27 North Latitude with an area of popcorn showers and thunderstorms just offshore of the coast of eastern and northeastern Florida, Georgia and South Carolina. Wind shear in this area is running at around 20 knots and there is a lack of mid-level vorticity. So, my judgement is that development as quick as the NAM and NOGAPS models are forecasting seem a little unrealistic and development in this area, if any, will be very slow to occur. With that said, given the proximity to the coast, I will be monitoring this area closely over the next few days.

Eastern Atlantic Development Next Week With Up To Two Named Storms Possible:
Now, let’s talk about potential development in the eastern Atlantic. All, and I mean all of the models are forecasting tropical cyclone development in the far eastern Atlantic as soon as Wednesday or Thursday. This tropical development comes from a strong tropical disturbance that is located over western Africa and should emerge off of the coast of Africa into the eastern Atlantic on Sunday. It should be noted that the GFS model has forecasted this development for at least eleven consecutive runs. It should also be noted that all of the model guidance are now forecasting two tropical cyclones in the eastern Atlantic between the coast of Africa and the Lesser Antilles in about 10 days from now and the long range GFS model is forecasting a third system forming in the eastern Atlantic in about 15 days from now. So, if the model guidance is correct (and I do think they are correct), then the parade or train of storms is about to start!!

There are a couple of other model trends that have to be mentioned. The first trend is that the model guidance as a whole is trending towards a stronger ridge of high pressure which would lead to these two systems pushing quite far west. In fact, the 06 UTC long range GFS model is forecasting a very close brush with the northern Leeward Islands around August 25th and then a visit to the east coast of Florida north of Cape Canaveral around August 29th. This is voodoo land in terms of model forecasts and should be taken with a ton and a half of salt; but the trend is going towards stronger ridging and a further west track. The European model ensemble guidance’s 10 day forecast is showing a strong ridge of high pressure across much of the Atlantic and I suspect that we may see the model guidance trend even further south and west in the coming days. In my opinion, I think we are looking at a pattern that would steer storms pretty far west in the Atlantic Basin.

I want to emphasize and implore one thing on all of you and that is if you haven’t done so already, please go over your hurricane preparedness kit and if you need supplies and can afford it, go to your local supermarket, your local Target, Wal-Mart or Lowe’s and purchase what you need. If you are new to living on the coast and don’t know how to put together a hurricane preparedness kit, then either ask a neighbor or friend or go to http://www.onestorm.org. This is a really good reference website and I highly recommend it!!

The next tropical weather discussion will be issued sometime on Sunday.
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2673. xcool 4:22 AM GMT on August 15, 2010    
model support Tropical storm XXXTD5
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2674. Stormchaser2007 4:23 AM GMT on August 15, 2010    
Strong Hurricane

Looks like it's going to the fishes on this run.

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2675. nolacane2009 4:23 AM GMT on August 15, 2010    
Quoting MississippiWx:


This was also written before the EURO's 12z run which brings the system to weak Tropical Storm strength. We'll see what the 00z run shows. The NAM and GFS have shown that they believe in a stronger system.

I was not sure of that I apologize. I am new and found the information thought it would be helpful. I will keep close eye on the model run next time. Thanks for the heads up
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2676. CybrTeddy 4:23 AM GMT on August 15, 2010    
Quoting Drakoen:
Big system. ROCI around 10 degrees:



SAL won't be a problem in that case.
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2677. GPTGUY 4:23 AM GMT on August 15, 2010    
The heart of the hurricane season for the North Central Gulf Coast basically begins today and runs thru about Oct. 15...here are some notable storms that affected the area...

1947 Hurricane Sept. 19
Hurricane Betsy Sept. 9
Hurricane Camille Aug. 17
Hurricane Frederic Sept. 12
Hurricane Elena Sept. 2
Hurricane Andrew Aug. 26
Hurricane Opal Oct. 4
Hurricane Georges Sept. 28
Hurricane Ivan Sept. 16
Hurricane Katrina Aug. 29
Hurricane Gustav Sept. 1
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2678. Levi32 4:24 AM GMT on August 15, 2010    
Quoting hurricane23:
Twinkster,

Based on the synoptic upper air pattern being layed out by the models i'd say this disturbance makes to atleast 50-55w before any trough influence takes place. Just have to wait & see if the trough that is progged to move through the northeast US and then offshore, is stronger or weaker than progged and then also if it is slower or faster. The U.S. is hit by a mere one in six that become TD's east of 50W and S of 20N. Moreover, this looks to form well east of 50W. (Of course, some of those either dissipate in mid-ocean or go too far south, but most recurve.) So, it isn't as if the U.S. needs much luck in getting a properly timed trough to keep it protected. Rather, that is usually what happens. The anomaly is when it isn't protected. However, with it being a solid La Nina and with the prime formation period for U.S. CV storm hits during La Ninas being next week (8/15-21), one should be more vigilant than normal.



Good post.
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2679. MiamiHurricanes09 4:24 AM GMT on August 15, 2010    
156 hours.

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2680. CybrTeddy 4:25 AM GMT on August 15, 2010    
Good amount of 850 mb vorticity associated with PG130L.

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2681. MississippiWx 4:25 AM GMT on August 15, 2010    
200mb Wind Chart from the GFS shows a perfect poleward outflow channel for the developing CV system.

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2682. Levi32 4:26 AM GMT on August 15, 2010    
Very strong development early would greatly increase the chances of recurvature.
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2683. KoritheMan 4:26 AM GMT on August 15, 2010    
Quoting GPTGUY:
The heart of the hurricane season for the North Central Gulf Coast basically begins today and runs thru about Oct. 15...here are some notable storms that affected the area...

1947 Hurricane Sept. 19
Hurricane Betsy Sept. 9
Hurricane Camille Aug. 17
Hurricane Frederic Sept. 12
Hurricane Elena Sept. 2
Hurricane Andrew Aug. 26
Hurricane Opal Oct. 4
Hurricane Georges Sept. 28
Hurricane Ivan Sept. 16
Hurricane Katrina Aug. 29
Hurricane Gustav Sept. 1


Hey! It's the YouTube guy! :D

I hope you stay safe this year. I'll be PMing you on YouTube in the event your area gets threatened.
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2685. MississippiWx 4:27 AM GMT on August 15, 2010    
Quoting nolacane2009:


I was not sure of that I apologize. I am new and found the information thought it would be helpful. I will keep close eye on the model run next time. Thanks for the heads up


No no it's very helpful! I was just referring to the author's comment on the EURO only showing a TD. That's a very good article...thanks for posting.
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2686. Stormchaser2007 4:27 AM GMT on August 15, 2010    
Hopefully the NHC isn't too hesitant to designate this potential wave an invest once it emerges so we can get some models running on it from the start.

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2687. Kristina40 4:27 AM GMT on August 15, 2010    
It would be great for the newbies if you guys would tag your posts with what system you are referring to. BTW, great discussion!
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2688. TampaSpin 4:28 AM GMT on August 15, 2010    
Quoting Levi32:


Ya and this storm will more than likely be coming in way too far north to get into the gulf.


The thingy behind this could be the southern route system....could the the stinker?
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2689. VAbeachhurricanes 4:28 AM GMT on August 15, 2010    
Quoting Levi32:
This is what you want to watch out for. The closed height line at 500mb near the Bahamas represents the hurricane on the ensemble mean, sitting right underneath the big positive 500mb height anomaly which is centered north of New York State. That pattern means the hurricane makes landfall on the US east coast. If the trough gets out of there in time for the ridge to build in like that, we'll have to look out. At this point it's too far out to really say and it could go either way, but it should definitely be watched.

18z GFS ensemble mean 500mb height Day 12:



Levi stop sending me all this bad news! hahaha have it out for the east coast?? :p
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2690. MiamiHurricanes09 4:28 AM GMT on August 15, 2010    
174 hours, much quicker recurvature along with a more intense cyclone (992mb). Part 2 begins to take shape.

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2691. Stormchaser2007 4:29 AM GMT on August 15, 2010    
Heading NW

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2692. nolacane2009 4:29 AM GMT on August 15, 2010    
Quoting F4PHANTOM:
How old is this? Models haven't shown this track for at least 24 hrs.


Not sure. I was trying to look up about EX-TD5 and this is what I found. I think it was posted this morning.
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2693. VAbeachhurricanes 4:29 AM GMT on August 15, 2010    
Quoting kramus:


We're not interested in your house guests. Please stay on topic. (Although I'm sure they're wonderful people.)


LOL
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2694. Levi32 4:30 AM GMT on August 15, 2010    
Quoting VAbeachhurricanes:


Levi stop sending me all this bad news! hahaha have it out for the east coast?? :p


Naturally the scenario where the storm hits land is the one which I should be looking out for and warning about, although recurvature is also strongly on the table.
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2695. MississippiWx 4:30 AM GMT on August 15, 2010    
168 hours out...200mb chart shows upper-level ridging over the CV system. If all of this happens, this hurricane could be quite intense and will most likely recurve.

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2696. CosmicEvents 4:30 AM GMT on August 15, 2010    
Ok.....for days now the models have shown a big cyclone. Again, like last night I put out there...isn't this what we expect at this time of the year?
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There's been enough continuity in the models and historically I'd also expect a storm in the next 2 weeks. The question is.....where is it going?
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2697. Kristina40 4:30 AM GMT on August 15, 2010    
I can't find any current tracks for ex TD 5 so any info on it is appreciated.
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2698. TampaSpin 4:31 AM GMT on August 15, 2010    
Quoting Stormchaser2007:
Hopefully the NHC isn't too hesitant to designate this potential wave an invest once it emerges so we can get some models running on it from the start.



It really would not be wrong to designate an Invest while on land. They have done it before. Would be nothing wrong for them to do so with this one with such great model support.
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2699. CybrTeddy 4:31 AM GMT on August 15, 2010    
Quoting MississippiWx:
168 hours out...200mb chart shows upper-level ridging over the CV system. If all of this happens, this hurricane could be quite intense and will most likely recurve.



Correct, will be a very interesting storm to track. Hopefully it stays out to sea but its best to remain vigilant, especially so far out.
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2701. Drakoen 4:32 AM GMT on August 15, 2010    
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