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A rare triple threat: three simultaneous Atlantic hurricanes
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 8:47 PM GMT on September 16, 2010 +4
For the first time in twelve years, we have a rare triple threat in the Atlantic--three simultaneous hurricanes. Hurricane Karl joined Hurricanes Igor and Julia in the steadily expanding Hurricanes of 2010 club this morning, becoming the sixth hurricane of the season. The last time we had three simultaneous hurricanes in the Atlantic was in 1998. That year also had four simultaneous hurricanes--Georges, Ivan, Jeanne and Karl--for a brief time on September 25. There has been just one other case of four simultaneous Atlantic hurricanes, on August 22, 1893. According to Phil Klotzbach at Colorado State, three simultaneous Atlantic hurricanes is a rare phenomena, having occurred only eight other times since 1851. The other years were 1893, 1926, 1950, 1961, 1967, 1980, 1995, and 1998.


Figure 1. Triple trouble: From left to right, Hurricanes Karl, Igor, and Julia roil the Atlantic. Image credit: NASA/GSFC.

Karl
Hurricane Karl continues to intensify. The latest Hurricane Hunter flight, flying at 12,000 feet, found flight level winds of 95 mph. This suggests surface winds of 85 mph, though the top surface winds seen by their SFMR instrument were about 80 mph. Mexican radar out of Alvarado shows the outer spirals bands of Karl are dumping heavy rains on the Mexican coast along the Bay of Campeche.


Figure 2. Afternoon radar image from the Alvarado, Mexico radar. The eye of Karl is visible in the upper right, and rain bands are affecting the coast to the east of the radar site. Image credit: Mexican Weather Service..

Forecast for Karl
Conditions for intensification are ideal in the Gulf of Mexico's Bay of Campeche, with wind shear expected to be low, 5 - 10 knots, SSTs warm, 29°C - 30°C, and the atmosphere very moist. These conditions, combined with the topography of the surrounding coast which tends to enhance counter-clockwise flow, should allow Karl to intensify into Category 2 hurricane before making landfall between Tampico and Vercruz, Mexico Friday afternoon. Karl is a small storm, and is unlikely to bring any rain or wind to Texas.

Igor
The Air Force Hurricane Hunters made their first foray into Hurricane Igor this afternoon, and found a high-end Category 3 storm, with a central pressure of 940 mb and top winds at 10,000 feet of 150 mph. The southwest portion of the eyewall was open, so Igor has the potential to intensify once again if it can close off the gap. There are no major changes to the track or intensify forecast for Igor in the latest set of model runs. Igor is expected to remain a major hurricane for the next two days, and is headed northwest at 7 mph. This motion will carry the core of the hurricane close to NOAA buoy 41044 between 9 - 11 pm EDT tonight. Top winds at the buoy so far today have been 65 mph, gusting to 81 mph, with a significant wave height of 38 feet (the significant wave height is the average of the highest 1/3 of the waves.)

Elsewhere in the tropics
The ECMWF model develops a new tropical depression a few hundred miles off the coast of Africa 2 - 4 days from now. The GFS is suggesting the eastern Caribbean could see a tropical depression 6 - 7 days from now.

I'll have an update Friday morning.

Jeff Masters
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1. PensacolaDoug 8:49 PM GMT on September 16, 2010    
The tropics triple play
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2. LostTomorrows 8:50 PM GMT on September 16, 2010    
Nice update, I expect Karl will rapidly intensify - we've been getting a lot of that from these storms. Plus, he has the cutest eye I have ever seen! *pinches his cheeks*
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3. seajunkie 8:51 PM GMT on September 16, 2010    
Thanks Dr. Masters.
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4. StormJunkie 8:51 PM GMT on September 16, 2010    
Thank-you Dr Masters! We may not always be the most knowledgeable, most well behaved, or funniest group; but we sure do appreciate the community you created here!

Now we do have some of the smartest, funniest, and even a few well behaved people here! Sadly, I do not fall in to any of those categories ;)
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5. WxLogic 8:51 PM GMT on September 16, 2010    
Thx Doc..
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6. Vero1 8:51 PM GMT on September 16, 2010    
Thanks Gr. Masters
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7. Neapolitan 8:51 PM GMT on September 16, 2010    
Bermuda is, of course, the lonely little yellow dot toward the top left corner. Yikes...

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Tropical weather-related image


And a twofer:

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8. SuperYooper 8:52 PM GMT on September 16, 2010    
On an earlier Dr. post, he was talking about a 30% chance of becoming a cat3. We saw Hermine ramp up beyond what they had anticipated. Why not Karl? Dewey, gotta take off. I'll contact you.
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9. ConchHondros 8:52 PM GMT on September 16, 2010    
And Julia??
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10. Cotillion 8:53 PM GMT on September 16, 2010    
For the first time in twelve years, we have a rare triple threat in the Atlantic--three simultaneous hurricanes. Hurricane Karl joined Hurricanes Igor and Julia in the steadily expanding Hurricanes of 2010 club this morning, becoming the sixth hurricane of the season. The last time we had three simultaneous hurricanes in the Atlantic was in 1998. That year also had four simultaneous hurricanes--Georges, Ivan, Jeanne and Karl--for a brief time on September 25. There has been just one other case of four simultaneous Atlantic hurricanes, on August 22, 1893. According to Phil Klotzbach at Colorado State, three simultaneous Atlantic hurricanes is a rare phenomena, having occurred only eight other times since 1851. The other years were 1893, 1926, 1950, 1961, 1967, 1980, 1995, and 1998.

Okay, what about this then?


ZCZC MIATCPAT5 ALL
TTAA00 KNHC DDHHMM
BULLETIN
HURRICANE NATE ADVISORY NUMBER 13
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
5 PM EDT THU SEP 08 2005

...NATE MOVING A LITTLE FASTER TOWARD THE NORTHEAST...


ZCZC MIATCPAT4 ALL
TTAA00 KNHC DDHHMM
BULLETIN
HURRICANE MARIA ADVISORY NUMBER 30
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
5 PM AST THU SEP 08 2005

...MARIA STILL A HURRICANE...

AT 5 PM AST...2100Z...THE CENTER OF HURRICANE MARIA WAS LOCATED NEAR
LATITUDE 39.5 NORTH... LONGITUDE 46.8 WEST OR ABOUT 590 MILES...
950 KM... SOUTHEAST OF CAPE RACE NEWFOUNDLAND AND ABOUT 1070
MILES...1720 KM...WEST-NORTHWEST OF THE AZORES.

ZCZC MIATCPAT1 ALL
TTAA00 KNHC DDHHMM
BULLETIN
HURRICANE OPHELIA ADVISORY NUMBER 10
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
5 PM EDT THU SEP 08 2005

...OPHELIA BECOMES THE SEVENTH HURRICANE OF THE SEASON...STILL NOT
MOVING...

EDIT: Never mind, we solved it.
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11. Cotillion 8:54 PM GMT on September 16, 2010    
But, who is right and wrong?

Seems to be something amiss...
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12. Hurricanes101 8:54 PM GMT on September 16, 2010    
2005 also had 3 hurricanes at once Dr M

even if for only 1 advisory on Septemeber 8th, 2005; Maria, Nate and Ophelia were all hurricanes at 5pm
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13. bayouflower 8:54 PM GMT on September 16, 2010    
18z Early Cycle NHC model tracks
Karl
Statistical/Simple Models (CLIPER,BAMs,LBAR,other Statistical Models)




Dynamic Models (More sophisticated models)







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14. PSLFLCaneVet 8:54 PM GMT on September 16, 2010    
Thanks Dr Masters. SJ, you kill me.
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15. CycloneUK 8:54 PM GMT on September 16, 2010    
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18. 1900hurricane 8:56 PM GMT on September 16, 2010    
From the previous blog:

Quoting Cotillion:
Atmo is right:

Look:

ZCZC MIATCPAT1 ALL
TTAA00 KNHC DDHHMM
BULLETIN
HURRICANE OPHELIA ADVISORY NUMBER 10
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
5 PM EDT THU SEP 08 2005

...OPHELIA BECOMES THE SEVENTH HURRICANE OF THE SEASON...STILL NOT
MOVING...

ZCZC MIATCPAT4 ALL
TTAA00 KNHC DDHHMM
BULLETIN
TROPICAL STORM MARIA ADVISORY NUMBER 34
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
5 PM AST FRI SEP 09 2005

...MARIA WEAKENS A LITTLE...

AT 5 PM AST...2100Z...THE CENTER OF TROPICAL STORM MARIA WAS LOCATED
NEAR LATITUDE 41.6 NORTH...LONGITUDE 41.5 WEST OR ABOUT 675
MILES...1085 KM...EAST-SOUTHEAST OF CAPE RACE NEWFOUNDLAND
AND ABOUT 810 MILES...1300 KM...WEST-NORTHWEST OF THE AZORES.

That isn't necessarily the data that goes into HURRDAT though. The final data is in the post storm analysis and sometimes changes from the operational advisory.
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19. SLU 8:56 PM GMT on September 16, 2010    
It may be so on the operational data but have a look at the post season analysis to see if they existed at the same time too. There might have been some changes.
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20. Patrap 8:56 PM GMT on September 16, 2010    
GOM IR Loop

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22. ElConando 8:56 PM GMT on September 16, 2010    
10. That's a thought.
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23. Cotillion 8:57 PM GMT on September 16, 2010    
Quoting 1900hurricane:
From the previous blog:


That isn't necessarily the data that goes into HURRDAT though. The final data is in the post storm analysis and sometimes changes from the operational advisory.


I changed it - I realised I made it Friday, not Thursday - a day later.

My eyes were screwy.
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24. Patrap 8:58 PM GMT on September 16, 2010    
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25. oracle28 8:58 PM GMT on September 16, 2010    
What is the most ACE gained in a 24 hour period? Does anyone know?
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26. Cotillion 8:59 PM GMT on September 16, 2010    
Ah, I see the problem (my eyes were working earlier).

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27. StormJunkie 8:59 PM GMT on September 16, 2010    
Quoting PSLFLCaneVet:
Thanks Dr Masters. SJ, you kill me.


Despite what "The List" may say...I'm really not a bad guy :)

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28. newenglandnative 8:59 PM GMT on September 16, 2010    
Just checking historic Northeast hurricane tracks, I think Igor is nothing to worry about as NOAA tells us. A recurve back to the west is highly unlikely, and it should stay way off the coast as it turns north.
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30. Patrap 9:00 PM GMT on September 16, 2010    
GOES-12 Atmospheric Imagery


These images are primarily for use in tropical storm monitoring. There are several areas to choose from providing a large-scale view of the Atlantic, down to the Gulf of Mexico. During hurricane season, the hurricanes page provides a variety of GOES atmospheric products to help monitor the active storms.


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31. Tazmanian 9:00 PM GMT on September 16, 2010    
Igor is downgrade too cat 3
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32. Jedkins01 9:00 PM GMT on September 16, 2010    
Quoting oracle28:
What is the most ACE gained in a 24 hour period? Does anyone know?



boy you guys sure love your ACE here in Dr. Masters blog lol
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33. Cotillion 9:00 PM GMT on September 16, 2010    
In the best track data - done by GMT - it has Maria weakening before Ophelia becomes a hurricane.

However, by the advisories (which are timed differently), they were all hurricanes at the same time.
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34. MiamiMetz 9:00 PM GMT on September 16, 2010    
Thanks for the update Dr. Masters!
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35. hydrus 9:00 PM GMT on September 16, 2010    
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36. Dakster 9:01 PM GMT on September 16, 2010    
What is the ACE for the season up to now?
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37. Tazmanian 9:01 PM GMT on September 16, 2010    
KARL is upgrade too 80mph
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38. tkeith 9:01 PM GMT on September 16, 2010    
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39. RayRayfromLa 9:01 PM GMT on September 16, 2010    
Quoting OctoberToRemember:
Thanks, Doc. Although, please give a little bit more of credence to the long term storm that the GFS wants to form, next time.


because its 10 days out not too important when you have 3 hurricanes at this moment spinning!!!
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40. Patrap 9:02 PM GMT on September 16, 2010    
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42. AtHomeInTX 9:02 PM GMT on September 16, 2010    
Thanks DRM. My thoughts with those in Mexico and Bermuda. I hope those who live there get any breaks they can with these 2 storms.
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43. Cotillion 9:03 PM GMT on September 16, 2010    
You see:

09/08 18 GMT 39.1 47.2 75 985 Category 1 Hurricane

09/09 00 GMT 39.4 46.4 70 987 Tropical Storm (MARIA)

--

09/08 18 GMT 31.4 62.7 85 982 Category 1 Hurricane

09/09 00 GMT 32.6 61.1 90 979 Category 1 Hurricane (NATE)

--

09/08 18 GMT 28.6 79.5 70 988 Tropical Storm

09/09 00 GMT 28.6 79.3 75 990 Category 1 Hurricane (OPHELIA)

(I looked at that list earlier, why I said with a previous question that 2005 fell just short. Glad I wasn't wrong... I think?)
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44. SLU 9:03 PM GMT on September 16, 2010    
OK. Here are the facts concerning 2005. The post season report keeps Ophelia a TS with 70mph winds until 09/0000UTC and at that same time, Maria weakened to a TS with 70mph winds. Therefore, the three hurricanes never existed simultaneously in the final analysis although operationally they were.

Link
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45. Patrap 9:03 PM GMT on September 16, 2010    
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46. scott39 9:04 PM GMT on September 16, 2010    
Quoting Patrap:
GOES-12 Atmospheric Imagery


These images are primarily for use in tropical storm monitoring. There are several areas to choose from providing a large-scale view of the Atlantic, down to the Gulf of Mexico. During hurricane season, the hurricanes page provides a variety of GOES atmospheric products to help monitor the active storms.


Thanks Patrap. Do you think October-Nov of this season will be more active "than usual" in the Western Atlantic?
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47. atmoaggie 9:04 PM GMT on September 16, 2010    
Quoting StormJunkie:


Despite what "The List" may say...I'm really not a bad guy :)



So SJ, is the little feature at about ~12 N, ~35 W what GFS is spinning up?



Fits the pattern for a wave to come off ITCZ almost to the Caribbean for the GoM to get a threat. All of the waves coming off of Africa have been too high in latitude to make it across in the absence of stout ridging.
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48. weathermancer 9:04 PM GMT on September 16, 2010    
Quoting Hurricanes101:
2005 also had 3 hurricanes at once Dr M

even if for only 1 advisory on Septemeber 8th, 2005; Maria, Nate and Ophelia were all hurricanes at 5pm


Since recording took place in 1851... the last 15 years have had more of them triplicate storms.
Minus, of course, the ones "unknown" in the eighteen hundreds.
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50. Dakster 9:05 PM GMT on September 16, 2010    
Patrap - Do you have your "Hurlo" outfit ready?

He may be needed soon.
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51. PSUweathermet 9:05 PM GMT on September 16, 2010    
Quoting Hurricanes101:
2005 also had 3 hurricanes at once Dr M

even if for only 1 advisory on Septemeber 8th, 2005; Maria, Nate and Ophelia were all hurricanes at 5pm


ZCZC MIATCPAT4 ALL
TTAA00 KNHC DDHHMM
BULLETIN
HURRICANE MARIA ADVISORY NUMBER 30
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
5 PM AST THU SEP 08 2005

...MARIA STILL A HURRICANE...

ZCZC MIATCPAT5 ALL
TTAA00 KNHC DDHHMM
BULLETIN
HURRICANE NATE ADVISORY NUMBER 13
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
5 PM EDT THU SEP 08 2005

...NATE MOVING A LITTLE FASTER TOWARD THE NORTHEAST...

ZCZC MIATCPAT1 ALL
TTAA00 KNHC DDHHMM
BULLETIN
HURRICANE OPHELIA ADVISORY NUMBER 10
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
5 PM EDT THU SEP 08 2005

...OPHELIA BECOMES THE SEVENTH HURRICANE OF THE SEASON...STILL NOT
MOVING...


hes right, per nhc
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