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A rare triple threat: three simultaneous Atlantic hurricanes
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 8:47 PM GMT on September 16, 2010 +4
For the first time in twelve years, we have a rare triple threat in the Atlantic--three simultaneous hurricanes. Hurricane Karl joined Hurricanes Igor and Julia in the steadily expanding Hurricanes of 2010 club this morning, becoming the sixth hurricane of the season. The last time we had three simultaneous hurricanes in the Atlantic was in 1998. That year also had four simultaneous hurricanes--Georges, Ivan, Jeanne and Karl--for a brief time on September 25. There has been just one other case of four simultaneous Atlantic hurricanes, on August 22, 1893. According to Phil Klotzbach at Colorado State, three simultaneous Atlantic hurricanes is a rare phenomena, having occurred only eight other times since 1851. The other years were 1893, 1926, 1950, 1961, 1967, 1980, 1995, and 1998.


Figure 1. Triple trouble: From left to right, Hurricanes Karl, Igor, and Julia roil the Atlantic. Image credit: NASA/GSFC.

Karl
Hurricane Karl continues to intensify. The latest Hurricane Hunter flight, flying at 12,000 feet, found flight level winds of 95 mph. This suggests surface winds of 85 mph, though the top surface winds seen by their SFMR instrument were about 80 mph. Mexican radar out of Alvarado shows the outer spirals bands of Karl are dumping heavy rains on the Mexican coast along the Bay of Campeche.


Figure 2. Afternoon radar image from the Alvarado, Mexico radar. The eye of Karl is visible in the upper right, and rain bands are affecting the coast to the east of the radar site. Image credit: Mexican Weather Service..

Forecast for Karl
Conditions for intensification are ideal in the Gulf of Mexico's Bay of Campeche, with wind shear expected to be low, 5 - 10 knots, SSTs warm, 29°C - 30°C, and the atmosphere very moist. These conditions, combined with the topography of the surrounding coast which tends to enhance counter-clockwise flow, should allow Karl to intensify into Category 2 hurricane before making landfall between Tampico and Vercruz, Mexico Friday afternoon. Karl is a small storm, and is unlikely to bring any rain or wind to Texas.

Igor
The Air Force Hurricane Hunters made their first foray into Hurricane Igor this afternoon, and found a high-end Category 3 storm, with a central pressure of 940 mb and top winds at 10,000 feet of 150 mph. The southwest portion of the eyewall was open, so Igor has the potential to intensify once again if it can close off the gap. There are no major changes to the track or intensify forecast for Igor in the latest set of model runs. Igor is expected to remain a major hurricane for the next two days, and is headed northwest at 7 mph. This motion will carry the core of the hurricane close to NOAA buoy 41044 between 9 - 11 pm EDT tonight. Top winds at the buoy so far today have been 65 mph, gusting to 81 mph, with a significant wave height of 38 feet (the significant wave height is the average of the highest 1/3 of the waves.)

Elsewhere in the tropics
The ECMWF model develops a new tropical depression a few hundred miles off the coast of Africa 2 - 4 days from now. The GFS is suggesting the eastern Caribbean could see a tropical depression 6 - 7 days from now.

I'll have an update Friday morning.

Jeff Masters
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1651. carlos1993 6:04 AM GMT on September 17, 2010    
Quoting Jeff9641:


WOW!
Sorry, i misunderstand you, yesterday ACE was 9.75
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1653. PrivateIdaho 6:05 AM GMT on September 17, 2010    
I'm out!
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1654. dmaddox 6:05 AM GMT on September 17, 2010    
RAPID SCAN IR IMAGE: http://rammb.cira.colostate.edu/ramsdis/online/images/latest/goes-r_proving_ground/g15_srso_ir.gif
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1655. JLPR2 6:06 AM GMT on September 17, 2010    
To the SW of where he is supposed to be, but not by much.

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1657. LostTomorrows 6:07 AM GMT on September 17, 2010    
I think Karl will be a category 3 in the morning. And does anyone else think that Igor may be getting affected by sheer for the northeast? His convection's bubbling up to that side as if it's trying to protect the circulation, and it's compressing the eye - plus, there was that whole deal with him looking like half of him was literally shredded around 4/5 PM... guess that means he's feeling the trough now.
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1658. PrivateIdaho 6:07 AM GMT on September 17, 2010    
Oh! One-more-thing....where do you go to get minions?
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1659. Katelynn 6:08 AM GMT on September 17, 2010    
hey, since it's quiet in here...

if i post an image, does the blog automatically downsize it?  or do i have to resize before posting?

i'm assuming the blog formats it, as i've never seen the margins blown in 4 yrs of lurking, but i didn't want to try it without asking first.

thx for any answers (i think i'm hidden, but maybe someone will see me, lol)
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1660. dmaddox 6:08 AM GMT on September 17, 2010    
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1661. sunlinepr 6:08 AM GMT on September 17, 2010    
Bedtime man.... RIP Julia
Hope RIP Karl doesn't hurt anybody in Mex
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1662. PSLFLCaneVet 6:09 AM GMT on September 17, 2010    
Quoting PrivateIdaho:
Hope BOBintampa doesn't mind me reposting this...I'm not sure if it got destroyed in the pogram earlier today but it is worth repeating.

1155. BobinTampa 2:31 PM MDT on September 16, 2010
Gotta get this off my chest:

I think it is safe to say that everyone who visits this blog benefits in some way - whether through education or entertainment. The blog is far from perfect but, overall, I'd say it has been pretty beneficial to us all.

So it kind of baffles me that some would use this site to try to recruit members to another site they are creating. That is in extremely poor taste in my opinion.

We all have the ability to create our own blogs on WUnderground. Why leave completely when you could simply relocate on the same site, OR better yet, strive to improve this blog??

That strikes me as a great show of disrespect to Dr. Masters. Maybe this is addition by subtraction. Who knows?
Standing ovation for the original post, and for PI's repost. And you got pogrom in there. FYeah. Love it.
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1663. xcool 6:09 AM GMT on September 17, 2010    


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1664. PSLFLCaneVet 6:09 AM GMT on September 17, 2010    
Quoting PrivateIdaho:
Oh! One-more-thing....where do you go to get minions?
IHOP
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1665. aspectre 6:10 AM GMT on September 17, 2010    
HurricaneKarl's heading held steady at dueWest
from its previous heading of due West
H.Karl's average speed moving between its last 2 reported positions was ~6.7mph(~10.7km/h)

16Sep 06amGMT - - 19.7n91.2w - - - 40mph - - 1000mb - - NHC.Adv.#6A
16Sep 09amGMT - - 19.8n91.6w - - - 50mph - - 1000mb - - #7
16Sep 12pmGMT - - 19.6n92.1w - - - 65mph - - - 986mb - - ???
??? 12:30pmGMT - - 19.7n92.2w - - - 65mph - - - 987mb - - #8
16Sep 03pmGMT - - 19.7n92.8w - - - 75mph - - - 983mb - - #9
16Sep 06pmGMT - - 19.7n93.3w - - - 75mph - - - 983mb - - #9A
16Sep 09pmGMT - - 19.6n93.7w - - - 80mph - - - 977mb - - #10
17Sep 12amGMT - - 19.7n94.1w - - - 80mph - - - 971mb - - #10A
17Sep 03amGMT - - 19.7n94.5w - - 100mph - - - 968mb - - #11
17Sep 06amGMT - - 19.7n94.8w - - 105mph - - - 967mb - - #11A

Copy &paste 19.7n91.2w, 19.8n91.6w, 19.7n92.2w, 19.7n92.8w, 19.7n93.3w-19.6n93.7w, 19.6n93.7w-19.7n94.1w, 19.7n94.1w-19.7n94.5w, 19.7n94.5w-19.7n94.8w, tam, ver, cun, 19.7n94.8w-19.69n96.41w into the GreatCircleMapper for a look at the last 12*hours.

Using straightline projection upon the speed&heading averaged
over the 3hours spanning the last two reported positions:
~15hours from now to LagunaVerde,Veracruz,Mexico
east of XalapaEnriquez

* The westernmost line-segment is the straightline projection.
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1666. StormJunkie 6:11 AM GMT on September 17, 2010    
Quoting PrivateIdaho:
Oh! One-more-thing....where do you go to get minions?


You just tell everyone to use this...

If they find something funny, well thought out, informative, or even interesting.

Or you could develop a "Client list" from which to work...Granted not a single "Client" pays for anything.

Really done, came in to turn the monitor off and had to peek...Damn this addictive place :)
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1668. PSLFLCaneVet 6:13 AM GMT on September 17, 2010    
Quoting StormJunkie:


You just tell everyone to use this...

If they find something funny, well thought out, informative, or even interesting.

Or you could develop a "Client list" from which to work...Granted not a single "Client" pays for anything.

Really done, came in to turn the monitor off and had to peek...Damn this addictive place :)
C'mon, just one more. You know you want to.
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1669. 1900hurricane 6:13 AM GMT on September 17, 2010    
Quoting dmaddox:

Now we watch ADT go crazy.
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1670. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod) 6:13 AM GMT on September 17, 2010    



the cv season is ending
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1671. MississippiWx 6:17 AM GMT on September 17, 2010    
Igor is one of the most enormous hurricanes I've ever seen in the Atlantic, while Karl is one of the smallest. Karl could end up being one of the smallest major hurricanes on record, while being the only major hurricane to ever form in the Bay of Campeche.
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1672. sunlinepr 6:18 AM GMT on September 17, 2010    
Quoting PrivateIdaho:
Hope BOBintampa doesn't mind me reposting this...I'm not sure if it got destroyed in the pogram earlier today but it is worth repeating.

1155. BobinTampa 2:31 PM MDT on September 16, 2010
Gotta get this off my chest:

I think it is safe to say that everyone who visits this blog benefits in some way - whether through education or entertainment. The blog is far from perfect but, overall, I'd say it has been pretty beneficial to us all.

So it kind of baffles me that some would use this site to try to recruit members to another site they are creating. That is in extremely poor taste in my opinion.

We all have the ability to create our own blogs on WUnderground. Why leave completely when you could simply relocate on the same site, OR better yet, strive to improve this blog??

That strikes me as a great show of disrespect to Dr. Masters. Maybe this is addition by subtraction. Who knows?
Quoting PrivateIdaho:
Hope BOBintampa doesn't mind me reposting this...I'm not sure if it got destroyed in the pogram earlier today but it is worth repeating.

1155. BobinTampa 2:31 PM MDT on September 16, 2010
Gotta get this off my chest:

I think it is safe to say that everyone who visits this blog benefits in some way - whether through education or entertainment. The blog is far from perfect but, overall, I'd say it has been pretty beneficial to us all.

So it kind of baffles me that some would use this site to try to recruit members to another site they are creating. That is in extremely poor taste in my opinion.

We all have the ability to create our own blogs on WUnderground. Why leave completely when you could simply relocate on the same site, OR better yet, strive to improve this blog??

That strikes me as a great show of disrespect to Dr. Masters. Maybe this is addition by subtraction. Who knows?


The thing is that if they leave because they think there are nasty people here out of control, They will have to implement controls in their blog, and there is no guarantee that their blog won't suffer from what they are escaping.... I think this blog is super OK. and I'm learning a lot...
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1673. zoomiami 6:18 AM GMT on September 17, 2010    
Quoting Katelynn:
hey, since it's quiet in here...

if i post an image, does the blog automatically downsize it?  or do i have to resize before posting?

i'm assuming the blog formats it, as i've never seen the margins blown in 4 yrs of lurking, but i didn't want to try it without asking first.

thx for any answers (i think i'm hidden, but maybe someone will see me, lol)


You aren't hidden, but I don't have the answer to your question. If you use the image link, it generally comes out ok.
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1674. centex 6:18 AM GMT on September 17, 2010    
Quoting PSLFLCaneVet:
Standing ovation for the original post, and for PI's repost. And you got pogrom in there. FYeah. Love it.
He's been a long time member and featured by JM. In a way he out grew this blog. Unless you've followed him for years you don't know what you’re talking about. Funny that is one of the reasons he couldn't take it anymore, people who took little time to study the tropics and just liked posting on a blog. He was not perfect but none of us are. He proved himself overtime. Most serious bloggers will miss having his comments wading through higher percentage of crap his absence will create.
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1675. MississippiWx 6:20 AM GMT on September 17, 2010    
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1676. sunlinepr 6:21 AM GMT on September 17, 2010    
Big Igor...
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1677. carlos1993 6:21 AM GMT on September 17, 2010    
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1678. aspectre 6:22 AM GMT on September 17, 2010    
1659 Katelynn "If I post an image, does the blog automatically downsize it? or do I have to resize before posting? I'm assuming the blog formats it, as I've never seen the margins blown in 4 yrs of lurking, but i didn't want to try it without asking first.
thx for any answers (I think I'm hidden, but maybe someone will see me, lol)
"

The blog will automatically format it, but I've seen LOTS of vertical distortion.
Probably best to fill in "width" with 500 and the charts are usually "height" of 320.

As long as you fill in both "width" and "height", you can always use "modify" to change the height until the picture looks right.
Auto doesn't give you that option.
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1679. sunlinepr 6:22 AM GMT on September 17, 2010    
Baby Igor

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1683. swflurker 6:27 AM GMT on September 17, 2010    
What I find interesting, besides SJ, who is good also, the rest of the pot stirres have not been around?
Quoting centex:
He's been a long time member and featured by JM. In a way he out grew this blog. Unless you've followed him for years you don't know what you’re talking about. Funny that is one of the reasons he couldn't take it anymore, people who took little time to study the tropics and just liked posting on a blog. He was not perfect but none of us are. He proved himself overtime. Most serious bloggers will miss having his comments wading through higher percentage of crap his absence will create.
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1684. PSLFLCaneVet 6:28 AM GMT on September 17, 2010    
Quoting centex:
He's been a long time member and featured by JM. In a way he out grew this blog. Unless you've followed him for years you don't know what you’re talking about. Funny that is one of the reasons he couldn't take it anymore, people who took little time to study the tropics and just liked posting on a blog. He was not perfect but none of us are. He proved himself overtime. Most serious bloggers will miss having his comments wading through higher percentage of crap his absence will create.
You misunderstand the intent, I believe. I have followed his blog. I have no quarrel with his forecasts. However, the issue in question is the "an eye for an eye" attitude coming to the fore.
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1686. JLPR2 6:31 AM GMT on September 17, 2010    


Looking a little ragged.
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1687. PSLFLCaneVet 6:31 AM GMT on September 17, 2010    
Good night, all. May we all be better on the morrow.
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1689. fatlady99 6:33 AM GMT on September 17, 2010    
hello night crew
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1690. floridiancanuck 6:34 AM GMT on September 17, 2010    
Here is my unsolicited opinion on the recent "drama"...

I've followed the blog for 3 years now (lurking the first year or so) and I value the input from Storm, it'd honestly be hard not to, he knows his stuff. That said, it may have come time for him to branch off, start his own gig, whatever.

However, it is a shame he couldn't have taken his exit with more dignity, I get he was pissed, but an internet flounce is never attractive (and his detractors loved every second of it). The whole thing could have gone down so much more maturely.
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1691. dmaddox 6:35 AM GMT on September 17, 2010    
Quoting fatlady99:
hello night crew
hi fatlady you taken a look at Karl yet? thoughts?
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1692. hcubed 6:35 AM GMT on September 17, 2010    
Looking at the loops of the dry air between Igor and Julia, I'm noticing the "squeeze" between them (dry air being pushed out).

At what point will Igor start to draw into Julia's moisture?

What would the likely result be?
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1693. flsky 6:37 AM GMT on September 17, 2010    
Quoting robj144:


Makes sense...
Quoting floridiancanuck:
Concrete poles along roads are engineered to break like that. It is to reduce traffic fatalities. Ever see a greusome pic of a car wrapped around a telephone pole? They are designed to prevent that kind of thing, that's why those trees are standing and the light poles all toppled. Even found a site that markets them...
http://www.hughesbros.com/3415.pdf

Since 2004 they have been replacing the snapped wooden power poles here in EC FL with concrete ones. You're telling me that these are designed to snap as well? I don't see the point.
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1695. Katelynn 6:40 AM GMT on September 17, 2010    
aspectre and zoomiami, thanks for the answers

i'll try one just using the image link to see, and quickly edit it if need be (preview is still showing 650px, and it's the same pic others posted at 500px)






hmmm, had to hit 'rich text', otherwise the img just linked in plain text....

hmm, i know how to do html < img src = " blah blah in other forums, just wasn't sure how this one worked

k' sorry to bother you all.....


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1697. Katelynn 6:41 AM GMT on September 17, 2010    
edited:  OK, it did resize down further from the preview image size - thanks again for letting me try
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1698. swflurker 6:42 AM GMT on September 17, 2010    
1. Cheaper to build.
2. No maintenance. See the green ones with the paint peeling!
3.Easier to replace when damaged! Unscrew the old one. Replace!

Quoting flsky:

Since 2004 they have been replacing the snapped wooden power poles here in EC FL with concrete ones. You're telling me that these are designed to snap as well? I don't see the point.
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1699. bigwes6844 6:42 AM GMT on September 17, 2010    
damn cape verde season is done 2 more storms and dats it from africa
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1700. fatlady99 6:43 AM GMT on September 17, 2010    
Quoting dmaddox:
hi fatlady you taken a look at Karl yet? thoughts?

Oh Jeez, I just came for the coffee.... wait a minute I'll go look out the window... (zziipppppp!)

HOLY MOLEY BATMAN!
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