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A rare triple threat: three simultaneous Atlantic hurricanes
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 8:47 PM GMT on September 16, 2010 +4
For the first time in twelve years, we have a rare triple threat in the Atlantic--three simultaneous hurricanes. Hurricane Karl joined Hurricanes Igor and Julia in the steadily expanding Hurricanes of 2010 club this morning, becoming the sixth hurricane of the season. The last time we had three simultaneous hurricanes in the Atlantic was in 1998. That year also had four simultaneous hurricanes--Georges, Ivan, Jeanne and Karl--for a brief time on September 25. There has been just one other case of four simultaneous Atlantic hurricanes, on August 22, 1893. According to Phil Klotzbach at Colorado State, three simultaneous Atlantic hurricanes is a rare phenomena, having occurred only eight other times since 1851. The other years were 1893, 1926, 1950, 1961, 1967, 1980, 1995, and 1998.


Figure 1. Triple trouble: From left to right, Hurricanes Karl, Igor, and Julia roil the Atlantic. Image credit: NASA/GSFC.

Karl
Hurricane Karl continues to intensify. The latest Hurricane Hunter flight, flying at 12,000 feet, found flight level winds of 95 mph. This suggests surface winds of 85 mph, though the top surface winds seen by their SFMR instrument were about 80 mph. Mexican radar out of Alvarado shows the outer spirals bands of Karl are dumping heavy rains on the Mexican coast along the Bay of Campeche.


Figure 2. Afternoon radar image from the Alvarado, Mexico radar. The eye of Karl is visible in the upper right, and rain bands are affecting the coast to the east of the radar site. Image credit: Mexican Weather Service..

Forecast for Karl
Conditions for intensification are ideal in the Gulf of Mexico's Bay of Campeche, with wind shear expected to be low, 5 - 10 knots, SSTs warm, 29°C - 30°C, and the atmosphere very moist. These conditions, combined with the topography of the surrounding coast which tends to enhance counter-clockwise flow, should allow Karl to intensify into Category 2 hurricane before making landfall between Tampico and Vercruz, Mexico Friday afternoon. Karl is a small storm, and is unlikely to bring any rain or wind to Texas.

Igor
The Air Force Hurricane Hunters made their first foray into Hurricane Igor this afternoon, and found a high-end Category 3 storm, with a central pressure of 940 mb and top winds at 10,000 feet of 150 mph. The southwest portion of the eyewall was open, so Igor has the potential to intensify once again if it can close off the gap. There are no major changes to the track or intensify forecast for Igor in the latest set of model runs. Igor is expected to remain a major hurricane for the next two days, and is headed northwest at 7 mph. This motion will carry the core of the hurricane close to NOAA buoy 41044 between 9 - 11 pm EDT tonight. Top winds at the buoy so far today have been 65 mph, gusting to 81 mph, with a significant wave height of 38 feet (the significant wave height is the average of the highest 1/3 of the waves.)

Elsewhere in the tropics
The ECMWF model develops a new tropical depression a few hundred miles off the coast of Africa 2 - 4 days from now. The GFS is suggesting the eastern Caribbean could see a tropical depression 6 - 7 days from now.

I'll have an update Friday morning.

Jeff Masters
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2201. TropicalAnalystwx13 12:50 PM GMT on September 17, 2010    
I bet we'll have Lisa before Karl, Julia, a nd Igor dissipate. Then we would continue our streak...
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2202. weathermanwannabe 12:50 PM GMT on September 17, 2010    
Quoting 7544:
igor wobbles west again .


Igor is right along the forecast points and headed for Bermuda.
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2203. nrtiwlnvragn 12:51 PM GMT on September 17, 2010    
Quoting pensacolastorm:
The CMC model has a hurricane in the GOM in 5 days. Anyone see any other models indicating a TC in the GOM next week?


HPC Preliminary Extended Forecast Discussion

Excerpt:

THE CANADIAN GLOBAL MODEL WAS AN OUTLIER IN FORECASTING A CYCLONE
TO DEVELOP IN THE GULF OF MEXICO SOUTH OF THE SOUTHEAST US RIDGE
THU 23 SEP. THE GFS/ECMWF/RESPECTIVE ENSEMBLE MEANS MAINTAIN NO
DEVELOPMENTS ARE EXPECTED IN THE GULF THEN...AND THESE SOLUTIONS
WILL BE PREFERRED.
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2204. CloudGatherer 12:51 PM GMT on September 17, 2010    
There's been a lot of attention here to Karl's windspeed and his central pressure, which makes sense. But I suspect that what's likely to make him an extraordinarily deadly storm isn't the peak one-minute velocity in a section of his eyewall - it's the rain, surge, and flooding that he's going to bring with him into a country whose population has grown faster than its infrastructure.

Veracruz is now reporting steady rain - it's received 2.05 inches in the last three hours, and the rainfall is strengthening. But the real problem along the coast will be the storm surge, and that should focus well above the City of Veracruz. Some of the poorer neighborhoods there suffer from poor drainage, though.

The southern portion of the State of Vercruz suffered from heavy flooding at the beginning of the month, which displaced some 200,000 residents. Even the milder rains this storm is bringing to cities like Tlacotalpan are most unwelcome, and will prolong that suffering.

The wildcard here is just how much rain Karl dumps inland - particularly because it has the potential to slow substantially at higher elevations. I expect to hear reports of mudslides, of flooding, and sadly, of some real misery. In the US, the surge and the wind are generally the worst of it. But in less developed nations, it's most often the rainfall that exacts the heaviest toll.
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2205. seflagamma 12:51 PM GMT on September 17, 2010    
good morning again,

been looking at our Atlantic storms and it looks like Julia is moving to west so fast she is going to bump into Igor, or jump up in front of him.... what will happen then?

Will Igor just absorb Julia? or just shear her into oblivion?
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2206. TampaTom 12:52 PM GMT on September 17, 2010    
Quoting StormStalker85:


Storm...is it typical to see the cold water extend that far West in the Pacific?


That's typical for a La Nina setup...
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2207. CloudGatherer 12:52 PM GMT on September 17, 2010    
Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:
I bet we'll have Lisa before Karl, Julia, a nd Igor dissipate. Then we would continue our streak...


Igor may still be around for Lisa. Karl and Julia? Not bloody likely.
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2209. vince1 12:53 PM GMT on September 17, 2010    
If the GOM storm forecasts result in a cyclone traversing through the oil gusher area, those along the coast and even hundreds of miles inland would be wise to observe the articles and videos on this site:
Floridaoilspillaw

It's documenting conditions on the ground in terms of toxicity levels, environmental hazards, oil discovery, etc. on a grassroots basis.

Prepare to evacuate pretty quickly basically because a storm surge, high winds and flooding will be only a single component of your concerns.
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2210. Portlight 12:53 PM GMT on September 17, 2010    
Quoting tkeith:
My guess is PORTLIGHT will likely try to respond to one or both of these affected areas.

Be a good time to visit the Portlight blog and Paypal button.


Thank's tkeith!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And...ah...Woof!! Woof!!
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2211. tkeith 12:53 PM GMT on September 17, 2010    
Quoting seflagamma:
good morning again,

been looking at our Atlantic storms and it looks like Julia is moving to west so fast she is going to bump into Igor, or jump up in front of him.... what will happen then?

Will Igor just absorb Julia? or just shear her into oblivion?
Like a bisquit in a plate full of gravy :)

(that ought to make Dewey hungry)
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2212. WxLogic 12:53 PM GMT on September 17, 2010    
Quoting nrtiwlnvragn:


HPC Preliminary Extended Forecast Discussion

Excerpt:

THE CANADIAN GLOBAL MODEL WAS AN OUTLIER IN FORECASTING A CYCLONE
TO DEVELOP IN THE GULF OF MEXICO SOUTH OF THE SOUTHEAST US RIDGE
THU 23 SEP. THE GFS/ECMWF/RESPECTIVE ENSEMBLE MEANS MAINTAIN NO
DEVELOPMENTS ARE EXPECTED IN THE GULF THEN...AND THESE SOLUTIONS
WILL BE PREFERRED.


Indeed... GFS has been backing out little by little and just maintaining some ghost storm in long range outputs.
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2213. help4u 12:54 PM GMT on September 17, 2010    
The gulf will get its major cane before end of month.
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2215. sailingallover 12:54 PM GMT on September 17, 2010    
Quoting tkeith:
Is an EWRC possibly goin on in Karl?


Too soon. He his to close to land and can't get energy from the west..
It is more like he is starting to lose convection and fall apart.
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2216. tkeith 12:55 PM GMT on September 17, 2010    
Quoting Portlight:


Thank's tkeith!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And...ah...Woof!! Woof!!
I'm takin my own advice...

I cant help the Dawgs though :)
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2217. centex 12:55 PM GMT on September 17, 2010    
This is the best most up to date sat loop I could find this morning.

Link
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2218. Neapolitan 12:55 PM GMT on September 17, 2010    
Very formidable, and the makings of a hellish day...

CLICK FOR LARGER IMAGE

Tropical weather-related image
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2219. seflagamma 12:55 PM GMT on September 17, 2010    
Quoting tkeith:
Like a bisquit in a plate full of gravy :)

(that ought to make Dewey hungry)


Only a southern person can image that!
those bisquits love gravy!
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2221. seflagamma 12:56 PM GMT on September 17, 2010    
Whre is this "Lisa" coming from?? I do not see any new invest out there?
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2222. Cotillion 12:56 PM GMT on September 17, 2010    
Already getting the first parts of the eyewall on land.
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2223. divdog 12:56 PM GMT on September 17, 2010    
Quoting sailingallover:

Too soon. He his to close to land and can't get energy from the west..
It is more like he is starting to lose convection and fall apart.
man the term ewrc has become the most overused term on this blog by a long shot.
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2225. CloudGatherer 12:56 PM GMT on September 17, 2010    
Quoting Portlight:


Thank's tkeith!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And...ah...Woof!! Woof!!


It's great that you're poised to help Bermuda - but you might want to update the blog for Karl, which is going to hit first and probably effect a much larger population.
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2226. stoormfury 12:57 PM GMT on September 17, 2010    
morning
there seem to be an area of disturbed weather trying to gel near 10N 46W and moving west. there is some vorticity near the area, as well as some covergence and divergence
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2227. Neapolitan 12:57 PM GMT on September 17, 2010    
Big brother Igor, little sister Julia:

CLICK FOR LARGER IMAGE

Tropical weather-related image
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2228. JupiterFL 12:58 PM GMT on September 17, 2010    
Quoting tkeith:
My guess is PORTLIGHT will likely try to respond to one or both of these affected areas.

Be a good time to visit the Portlight blog and Paypal button.


It's a tossup. It might be rather difficult to get the new trailer to Bermuda. On the other hand, you can drive it to Veracruz but it might not come back with you.
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2229. tkeith 12:58 PM GMT on September 17, 2010    
Quoting sailingallover:

Too soon. He his to close to land and can't get energy from the west..
It is more like he is starting to lose convection and fall apart.
Time is a double edge sword here...

not enough time to strengthen to a more catastrophic storm

but not enough time to weaken to a non destuctive storm
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2230. Portlight 12:58 PM GMT on September 17, 2010    
Quoting CloudGatherer:


It's great that you're poised to help Bermuda - but you might want to update the blog for Karl, which is going to hit first and probably effect a much larger population.


You're absolutely right!!! We're workin' on that right now...Thanks!!
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2231. StormJunkie 12:58 PM GMT on September 17, 2010    
Quoting seflagamma:


Only a southern person can image that!
those bisquits love gravy!


Morning all. Good to see you Gamma!

Making me hungry...that's for sure.
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2232. kshipre1 12:58 PM GMT on September 17, 2010    
Jeff,

thanks for the link to the maps you look at. very interesting.

I feel embarrased because I do not know really how to read those maps compared to you and everyone in this chat room due to my inexperience.

the scenario you were talking about above regarding the scary setup displayed by the ECMWF. is this the same as yesterday having Tampa in the mix or the gulf coast? thanks
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2233. nrtiwlnvragn 12:58 PM GMT on September 17, 2010    
Quoting WxLogic:


Indeed... GFS has been backing out little by little and just maintaining some ghost storm in long range outputs.


Yes, and TAFB has backed off of a system in their Gridded Marine Forecast. but IMO still needs to be watched. Visible this morning indicates a "spin" ~37W 12N but it may just be mid level, hope ASCAT catches the area.
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2234. JupiterFL 12:59 PM GMT on September 17, 2010    
Quoting stoormfury:
morning
there seem to be an area of disturbed weather trying to gel near 10N 46W and moving west. there is some vorticity near the area, as well as some covergence and divergence


This is def an area to watch. Drak and some others were talking about it the other day when at 10N and 40W.
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2236. Portlight 12:59 PM GMT on September 17, 2010    
Quoting JupiterFL:


It's a tossup. It might be rather difficult to get the new trailer to Bermuda. On the other hand, you can drive it to Veracruz but it might not come back with you.


we're able to fly the contents into Bermuda...assuming the airport is open, etc...as for Mexico, we'll take our chances if we're needed...
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2237. divdog 1:00 PM GMT on September 17, 2010    
Quoting help4u:
The gulf will get its major cane before end of month.
its gettin its major right now and hopefully that will be the only one this year.
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2238. tkeith 1:00 PM GMT on September 17, 2010    
Quoting JupiterFL:


It's a tossup. It might be rather difficult to get the new trailer to Bermuda. On the other hand, you can drive it to Veracruz but it might not come back with you.
Those Portlight folks can get pretty creative when it comes to logistics.
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2239. kwgirl 1:00 PM GMT on September 17, 2010    
Quoting centex:
This is the best most up to date sat loop I could find this morning.

Link
Great Link, thank you. I think I see Lisa's beginnngs.
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2240. JupiterFL 1:01 PM GMT on September 17, 2010    
Quoting Portlight:


we're able to fly the contents into Bermuda...assuming the airport is open, etc...as for Mexico, we'll take our chances if we're needed...


Good luck either way.
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2243. CloudGatherer 1:02 PM GMT on September 17, 2010    
Looks like Karl is starting to lose steam as it moves inland. The hunter just re-penetrated the eye, and found the pressure inside up to an observed 958.5MB. That's about 5 MB higher than the lowest extrapolated pressure on the last pass; we'll get the official pressure, probably off the dropsonde, in another few minutes.
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2244. CalTex 1:02 PM GMT on September 17, 2010    
2187. btwntx08 12:41 PM GMT on September 17, 2010

Look at that pressure, 944.2mb. I guess the actual is a little higher? Is there a way to tell the winds from that output?
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2245. tkeith 1:02 PM GMT on September 17, 2010    
Quoting FLdewey:

Give annular another chance... it'll bounce back.
it does have a better um ring to it...
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2246. HCW 1:02 PM GMT on September 17, 2010    
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2248. SuperYooper 1:03 PM GMT on September 17, 2010    
Whoa! I see Karl intensified to cat3. The Doc should have stuck to his guns and kept his cat3 at a 30% possible, seeing what the GOM did to Hermine. Morning Dewey, whats the news?
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2249. Cotillion 1:03 PM GMT on September 17, 2010    
Maybe that shift to the south from yesterday is the difference between a weakening Cat 3 and a strengthening Cat 4.
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2250. WxLogic 1:03 PM GMT on September 17, 2010    
Quoting nrtiwlnvragn:


Yes, and TAFB has backed off of a system in their Gridded Marine Forecast. but IMO still needs to be watched. Visible this morning indicates a "spin" ~37W 12N but it may just be mid level, hope ASCAT catches the area.


That's for sure, specially with this season still being far from over.
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2251. JupiterFL 1:04 PM GMT on September 17, 2010    
Quoting tkeith:
Those Portlight folks can get pretty creative when it comes to logistics.


Thats for sure. Plus in Mexico you have millions of logistics experts.
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