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A rare triple threat: three simultaneous Atlantic hurricanes
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 8:47 PM GMT on September 16, 2010 +4
For the first time in twelve years, we have a rare triple threat in the Atlantic--three simultaneous hurricanes. Hurricane Karl joined Hurricanes Igor and Julia in the steadily expanding Hurricanes of 2010 club this morning, becoming the sixth hurricane of the season. The last time we had three simultaneous hurricanes in the Atlantic was in 1998. That year also had four simultaneous hurricanes--Georges, Ivan, Jeanne and Karl--for a brief time on September 25. There has been just one other case of four simultaneous Atlantic hurricanes, on August 22, 1893. According to Phil Klotzbach at Colorado State, three simultaneous Atlantic hurricanes is a rare phenomena, having occurred only eight other times since 1851. The other years were 1893, 1926, 1950, 1961, 1967, 1980, 1995, and 1998.


Figure 1. Triple trouble: From left to right, Hurricanes Karl, Igor, and Julia roil the Atlantic. Image credit: NASA/GSFC.

Karl
Hurricane Karl continues to intensify. The latest Hurricane Hunter flight, flying at 12,000 feet, found flight level winds of 95 mph. This suggests surface winds of 85 mph, though the top surface winds seen by their SFMR instrument were about 80 mph. Mexican radar out of Alvarado shows the outer spirals bands of Karl are dumping heavy rains on the Mexican coast along the Bay of Campeche.


Figure 2. Afternoon radar image from the Alvarado, Mexico radar. The eye of Karl is visible in the upper right, and rain bands are affecting the coast to the east of the radar site. Image credit: Mexican Weather Service..

Forecast for Karl
Conditions for intensification are ideal in the Gulf of Mexico's Bay of Campeche, with wind shear expected to be low, 5 - 10 knots, SSTs warm, 29°C - 30°C, and the atmosphere very moist. These conditions, combined with the topography of the surrounding coast which tends to enhance counter-clockwise flow, should allow Karl to intensify into Category 2 hurricane before making landfall between Tampico and Vercruz, Mexico Friday afternoon. Karl is a small storm, and is unlikely to bring any rain or wind to Texas.

Igor
The Air Force Hurricane Hunters made their first foray into Hurricane Igor this afternoon, and found a high-end Category 3 storm, with a central pressure of 940 mb and top winds at 10,000 feet of 150 mph. The southwest portion of the eyewall was open, so Igor has the potential to intensify once again if it can close off the gap. There are no major changes to the track or intensify forecast for Igor in the latest set of model runs. Igor is expected to remain a major hurricane for the next two days, and is headed northwest at 7 mph. This motion will carry the core of the hurricane close to NOAA buoy 41044 between 9 - 11 pm EDT tonight. Top winds at the buoy so far today have been 65 mph, gusting to 81 mph, with a significant wave height of 38 feet (the significant wave height is the average of the highest 1/3 of the waves.)

Elsewhere in the tropics
The ECMWF model develops a new tropical depression a few hundred miles off the coast of Africa 2 - 4 days from now. The GFS is suggesting the eastern Caribbean could see a tropical depression 6 - 7 days from now.

I'll have an update Friday morning.

Jeff Masters
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2251. JupiterFL 1:04 PM GMT on September 17, 2010    
Quoting tkeith:
Those Portlight folks can get pretty creative when it comes to logistics.


Thats for sure. Plus in Mexico you have millions of logistics experts.
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2252. weathermanwannabe 1:04 PM GMT on September 17, 2010    
Given how little land affected Karl's passage over the Yucatan, and looking at his current forecast path after he gets onshore, starting to wonder if Karl is going to take a stab at an E-Pac designation down the road if the low is able to get going again after his remnants hit the Pacific Basin......That would be something.
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2253. Orcasystems 1:04 PM GMT on September 17, 2010    
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2256. kshipre1 1:06 PM GMT on September 17, 2010    
ok, thanks Jeff. when you ran the GFS this morning, did it still show Tampa getting a direct hit?

probably not a smart question but just wondering if the Low area shifted westward or not.

thanks
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2258. sailingallover 1:06 PM GMT on September 17, 2010    
Anyone notice Igor is missing an Eye?
All the dry air from his outflow to his west
http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/east/tatl/wv-l.jpg
looks like he's got some dry air..
http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/east/tatl/loop-avn.html
Julias is close to his east
He has been moving so slowly a over the same LARGE area of ocean for a a while..
A weak surface High behind the trough that is passing him to the north is supposed to build for 24-36 hours to his north until it moves off to the NE and this is slowing him down since there are no strong upper level steering currents
http://www.nco.ncep.noaa.gov/pmb/nwprod/analysis/carib/gfs/12/fpc.shtml
http://www.nco.ncep.noaa.gov/pmb/nwprod/analysis/carib/gfs/12/fp0_000.shtml
Next trough comes in two days.. until then he will probably meander WNW a bit...

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2262. IKE 1:09 PM GMT on September 17, 2010    
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2263. presslord 1:10 PM GMT on September 17, 2010    
Quoting BobinTampa:


very true. they might have to load the trailer with something else, but there are folks that will get it back across the border.


Stormjunkie is in charge of this...
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2264. saltwaterconch 1:11 PM GMT on September 17, 2010    
Quoting sailingallover:
Anyone notice Igor is missing an Eye?
All the dry air from his outflow to his west
http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/east/tatl/wv-l.jpg
looks like he's got some dry air..
http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/east/tatl/loop-avn.html
Julias is close to his east
He has been moving so slowly a over the same LARGE area of ocean for a a while..
A weak surface High behind the trough that is passing him to the north is supposed to build for 24-36 hours to his north until it moves off to the NE and this is slowing him down since there are no strong upper level steering currents
http://www.nco.ncep.noaa.gov/pmb/nwprod/analysis/carib/gfs/12/fpc.shtml
http://www.nco.ncep.noaa.gov/pmb/nwprod/analysis/carib/gfs/12/fp0_000.shtml
Next trough comes in two days.. until then he will probably meander WNW a bit...


That's about the size of it (no pun) It's a wait and see situation. It is getting interesting though.
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2265. breald 1:11 PM GMT on September 17, 2010    
Quoting BobinTampa:


very true. they might have to load the trailer with something else, but there are folks that will get it back across the border.


Come on guys.
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2267. CloudGatherer 1:12 PM GMT on September 17, 2010    
So....957.3MB was the lowest reading this run, and I expect the Vortex message will place it a little higher than that, when the dropsonde numbers come in. Definitely ceased to strengthen, and it's probably on the wane. But again, the real danger from Karl isn't wind (although the 92kt 1-minute avg isn't shabby) it's flooding.
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2268. angiest 1:13 PM GMT on September 17, 2010    
Well, I see 6Z GFS has returned to beating up northern Mexico/deep south Texas.
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2270. sailingallover 1:14 PM GMT on September 17, 2010    
Quoting CloudGatherer:


Sometimes I feel a very strong temptation to post that Tropical Depression XX is forming a pinhole eye and starting an EWRC as it pumps the ridge, busts the trough, trends DEFINITELY west, and explosively strengthens to become virtually annular!! OMG!!!

HAHAHAHA Well you know when you know the terms to use you must know what you're saying..
Give annular another chance for who.. Igor lost his eye Julia has been forced over colder water and into a surface high so has been shear to a Cat one and is son to get farthe rnorth into the Westerlies and Igor is having blindness, dry air to the west, surface high pinching, trough tugging into a oblong issues as he uses up the OHC under him...but oh he is still pumping the mid-level ridge to his north .. you can look at the way it is getting pumped by the way it is retreating North and East on these
http://www.nco.ncep.noaa.gov/pmb/nwprod/analysis/carib/gfs/12/fpc.shtml
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2271. cheezemm 1:15 PM GMT on September 17, 2010    
I know we have two powerful landfalling hurricanes happening, but I have to at least mention the midwest weather yesterday. It will be interesting to see what NOAA finds in Wooster, OH. The damage was quite extensive...

Link
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2272. CloudGatherer 1:15 PM GMT on September 17, 2010    
Product: Air Force Vortex Message (URNT12 KNHC)
Transmitted: 17th day of the month at 13:09Z
Aircraft: Air Force Aircraft (Last 3 digits of the tail number are 301)
Storm Number & Year: 13L in 2010
Storm Name: Karl (flight in the North Atlantic basin)
Mission Number: 5
Observation Number: 09
A. Time of Center Fix: 17th day of the month at 12:55:50Z
B. Center Fix Coordinates: 19°32'N 95°41'W (19.5333N 95.6833W)
B. Center Fix Location: 210 miles (337 km) to the WNW (301°) from Villahermosa, Tabasco, México.
C. Minimum Height at Standard Level: 2,752m (9,029ft) at 700mb
D. Estimated (by SFMR or visually) Maximum Surface Wind: 101kts (~ 116.2mph)
E. Location of the Estimated Maximum Surface Wind: 6 nautical miles (7 statute miles) to the SE (144°) of center fix
F. Maximum Flight Level Wind Inbound: From 233° at 97kts (From the SW at ~ 111.6mph)
G. Location of Maximum Flight Level Wind Inbound: 8 nautical miles (9 statute miles) to the SE (141°) of center fix
H. Minimum Sea Level Pressure: 959mb (28.32 inHg)
I. Maximum Flight Level Temp & Pressure Altitude Outside Eye: 7°C (45°F) at a pressure alt. of 3,068m (10,066ft)
J. Maximum Flight Level Temp & Pressure Altitude Inside Eye: 15°C (59°F) at a pressure alt. of 3,041m (9,977ft)
K. Dewpoint Temp (collected at same location as temp inside eye): 13°C (55°F)
K. Sea Surface Temp (collected at same location as temp inside eye): Not Available
L. Eye Character: Closed
M. Eye Shape & Diameter: Circular with a diameter of 12 nautical miles (14 statute miles)
N. Fix Determined By: Penetration, Radar, Wind, Pressure and Temperature
N. Fix Level: 700mb
O. Navigation Fix Accuracy: 0.02 nautical miles
O. Meteorological Accuracy: 2 nautical miles
Remarks Section:
Maximum Wind Outbound: 98kts (~ 112.8mph) in the northwest quadrant at 12:58:30Z
Maximum Flight Level Wind: 98kts (~ 112.8mph) in the northwest quadrant at 12:58:30Z
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2273. kshipre1 1:15 PM GMT on September 17, 2010    
which storm is this is for? is this the storm everyone is talking about possibly affecting the caribbean and GOM towards September end?
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2274. CalTex 1:15 PM GMT on September 17, 2010    
2202. weathermanwannabe 12:50 PM GMT on September 17, 2010

It's pretty easy to stay on the forecast points when you can move them every 3 to 6 hours...lol. imo, he's been moving WNW for the last couple of days, not NW like they say he is.
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2275. Canesinlowplaces 1:16 PM GMT on September 17, 2010    
Quoting JupiterFL:


This is def an area to watch. Drak and some others were talking about it the other day when at 10N and 40W.


Looking at the wv loop, is that a ULL coming down from the north? - could disrupt any possible developement.
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2276. sailingallover 1:17 PM GMT on September 17, 2010    
Quoting angiest:
Well, I see 6Z GFS has returned to beating up northern Mexico/deep south Texas.

Yes but it is being inconsistent, development is not as early or intense and farther west than a few days ago when it was supposed to be formed south of me and so there is some hope the storm will not be as large and as for track we know how that goes before a storm is actually formed.
How is that for a run on sentence?
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2277. Orcasystems 1:17 PM GMT on September 17, 2010    
Time: 12:58:30Z
Coordinates: 19.6667N 95.7667W
Acft. Static Air Press: 696.3 mb (~ 20.56 inHg)
Acft. Geopotential Hgt: 2,908 meters (~ 9,541 feet)
Extrap. Sfc. Press: 968.7 mb (~ 28.61 inHg)
D-value: -
Flt. Lvl. Wind (30s): From 58° at 95 knots (From the ENE at ~ 109.2 mph)
Air Temp: 16.6°C (~ 61.9°F)
Dew Pt: 8.8°C (~ 47.8°F)
Peak (10s) Flt. Lvl. Wind: 98 knots (~ 112.7 mph)
SFMR Peak (10s) Sfc. Wind: 95 knots (~ 109.2 mph)
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2278. CalTex 1:19 PM GMT on September 17, 2010    
2204. CloudGatherer 12:51 PM GMT on September 17, 2010

Very well said and sobering to think about. To me it looks like Karl is slowing, which will make things even worse.
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2279. SuperYooper 1:19 PM GMT on September 17, 2010    
Quoting CloudGatherer:


Sometimes I feel a very strong temptation to post that Tropical Depression XX is forming a pinhole eye and starting an EWRC as it pumps the ridge, busts the trough, trends DEFINITELY west, and explosively strengthens to become virtually annular!! OMG!!!


Annular (verb) - the shape someones head takes when looking really hard for something that is not there.

In all seriousness, when was the last annular hurricane? They have to be rare.
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2280. JupiterFL 1:21 PM GMT on September 17, 2010    
Quoting Canesinlowplaces:


Looking at the wv loop, is that a ULL coming down from the north? - could disrupt any possible developement.


I don't see one but then again I am no expert.
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2281. StormJunkie 1:21 PM GMT on September 17, 2010    
Quoting Canesinlowplaces:


Looking at the wv loop, is that a ULL coming down from the north? - could disrupt any possible developement.


Not sure it is an ULL, but from what the models have been hinting at, it is not supposed to develop until it gets in the W Carib anyway. It's a long way from there at this point.
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2282. weathermanwannabe 1:21 PM GMT on September 17, 2010    
Quoting CalTex:
2202. weathermanwannabe 12:50 PM GMT on September 17, 2010

It's pretty easy to stay on the forecast points when you can move them every 3 to 6 hours...lol. imo, he's been moving WNW for the last couple of days, not NW like they say he is.


They have shifted a bit but the overall motion towards Bermuda's direction is pretty certain at this point.........Problem is that any more shifts or wobbles to the West could bring the NE quadrant right over the Island...I hope that it stays on right side of the model guidance which would make a huge difference for them.
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2284. Orcasystems 1:22 PM GMT on September 17, 2010    


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2287. Neapolitan 1:24 PM GMT on September 17, 2010    
Some of the thinking I've heard is that the city of Xalapa (or Jalapa) may be hardest hit by Karl. The city of half-a-million sits on a one-mile-high plateau roughly 2 miles inland from where the storm should make landfall. Depending on the path of the northern eyewall, the Venturi effect could greatly accelerate the wind speeds in certain areas, resulting in far greater damage than would be expected by a landfalling Cat 2 or 3.

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2288. nrtiwlnvragn 1:24 PM GMT on September 17, 2010    
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm


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2289. StormJunkie 1:25 PM GMT on September 17, 2010    
Quoting nrtiwlnvragn:
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm




Very interesting nrti. Thanks for posting that.

And good morning to you :)
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2290. TOMSEFLA 1:27 PM GMT on September 17, 2010    
what is the area of population that karl will impact today?
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2291. PanhandleChuck 1:29 PM GMT on September 17, 2010    
Quoting cheezemm:
I know we have two powerful landfalling hurricanes happening, but I have to at least mention the midwest weather yesterday. It will be interesting to see what NOAA finds in Wooster, OH. The damage was quite extensive...

Link


Cheezemm

I'm from the Akron and Youngstown area, that looks like similar damage to the 85 tornado outbreak that hit Niles oH
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2292. pensacolastorm 1:29 PM GMT on September 17, 2010    
Quoting nrtiwlnvragn:


HPC Preliminary Extended Forecast Discussion

Excerpt:

THE CANADIAN GLOBAL MODEL WAS AN OUTLIER IN FORECASTING A CYCLONE
TO DEVELOP IN THE GULF OF MEXICO SOUTH OF THE SOUTHEAST US RIDGE
THU 23 SEP. THE GFS/ECMWF/RESPECTIVE ENSEMBLE MEANS MAINTAIN NO
DEVELOPMENTS ARE EXPECTED IN THE GULF THEN...AND THESE SOLUTIONS
WILL BE PREFERRED.

Thanks!
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2293. nrtiwlnvragn 1:29 PM GMT on September 17, 2010    
Quoting StormJunkie:


Very interesting nrti. Thanks for posting that.

And good morning to you :)


Ascat missed it, maybe Windsat will catch part of it. Pouch synopsis from yesterday was so so on the system.
Good mornin back at ya!
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2294. Portlight 1:29 PM GMT on September 17, 2010    
Servicio Meteorológico Nacional (Mexico Meterology Service)Link
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2295. JupiterFL 1:30 PM GMT on September 17, 2010    
Quoting nrtiwlnvragn:


Ascat missed it, maybe Windsat will catch part of it. Pouch synopsis from yesterday was so so on the system.
Good mornin back at ya!


A little further east than I thought but interesting none the less.
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2296. WxLogic 1:31 PM GMT on September 17, 2010    
Quoting nrtiwlnvragn:
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm




It does have a decent 850MB VORT:



A weak 500MB VORT but still discernible:

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2297. CloudGatherer 1:31 PM GMT on September 17, 2010    
Quoting SuperYooper:


Annular (verb) - the shape someones head takes when looking really hard for something that is not there.

In all seriousness, when was the last annular hurricane? They have to be rare.


According to John Knaff, the leading authority on the objective identification of Annular Hurricanes, storms of that type comprise roughly 4% of all tropical cyclones that reach hurricane strength. In other words, we should expect to see an annular storm about once for every twenty-five hurricanes we observe.

The most recent list that I can find was published about eighteen months ago, and analyzed storms through the 2006 season. The most recent Atlantic storm to be characterized as annular, according to that list, was Frances in 2004, which maintained the status for 10 hours.

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Atlantic AHs, 1995-2006:
Luis 1995
Edouard 1996
Erin 2001
Isabel 2003
Kate 2003
Frances 2004

Pacific AHs, 1995-2006:
Barbara 1995
Darby 1998
Howard 1998
Beatriz 1999
Dora 1999
Daniel 2000
Bud 2006
Daniel 2006
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2298. HCW 1:31 PM GMT on September 17, 2010    
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2299. weathermanwannabe 1:33 PM GMT on September 17, 2010    
Quoting Portlight:
Servicio Meteorológico Nacional (Mexico Meterology Service)Link


Link not working for me but nice to see you; let us know if you folks need anything for Bermuda or Mexico........"Oye Como Va"
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2300. Portlight 1:35 PM GMT on September 17, 2010    
Quoting weathermanwannabe:


Link not working for me but nice to see you; let us know if you folks need anything for Bermuda or Mexico........"Oye Como Va"


Many thanks!!! Apparently the site is overloaded...
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