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Matthew drenching Central America and Mexico
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 3:35 PM GMT on September 25, 2010 +4
Tropical Storm Matthew continues to dump heavy rains over Honduras, Belize, Guatemala, and neighboring regions of Mexico today. Puerto Barrios, in northern Guatemala, has received 4.57" of rain in the past 24 hours. With Matthew expected to slow down and dissipate by Sunday, the storm's heavy rains of 6 - 15 inches can be expected to cause severe flooding and dangerous mudslides. The rains are of particular concern for Guatemala, which suffered its rainiest August in its history, followed by the landfall of Tropical Depression 11E during the first week of September, which dumped torrential rains on the country that triggered flooding and mudslides that killed at least 48 Guatemalans.


Figure 1. Visible satellite image from NASA's Terra satellite taken yesterday, showing Tropical Storm Matthew approaching landfall.


Figure 2. Forecast rain amounts for the 5-day period beginning at 2am EDT today (Saturday, September 25) as predicted by this morning's 2am EDT (6Z) run of the GFDL. Very heavy rains in excess of eight inches (yellow colors) are predicted for portions of Central America along Matthew's track. Image credit: Morris Bender, NOAA/GFDL.

Lisa
Tropical Storm Lisa pulled a bit of a surprise last night, intensifying into a Category 1 hurricane with 80 mph winds in the far Eastern Atlantic. Lisa's longitude of 27.9W at the time made it the 10th strongest hurricane so far east in the Atlantic. Record keeping began in 1851, but it is likely that many hurricanes stronger than Lisa were missed prior to the advent of reliable satellite coverage in 1974. Lisa is even farther east than Category 4 Hurricane Julia, which earlier this month set the record for strongest hurricane ever recorded so far east. Lisa's glory will be short-lived, though, as strong upper level winds out of the west are expected to increase tonight, bringing high wind shear of 20 - 45 knots over the storm. The high shear may be capable of destroying the storm by early next week. It appears unlikely that Lisa will affect any land areas.

Forecast for the rest of the tropics
Most of the models continue to predict that by Wednesday, the remnants of Matthew, and/or a piece of a tropical disturbance over the Eastern Pacific off the coast of Guatemala, will evolve into a huge and very wet low pressure system that will start spinning over Central America and the Western Caribbean. NHC has been referring to this expected storm as a "monsoon low", and these sorts of storms are very dangerous for Central America and the Western Caribbean, even if they do not develop into a tropical storm. In October 2007, a similar monsoon low I dubbed "the sleeping giant" spent a week spinning over the region, dumping very heavy rains over all of Central America and the countries bordering the Western Caribbean. Rains from this system triggered flooding that killed 45 people in Haiti, damaged thousands of homes in Cuba, and caused havoc in Guatemala, El Salvador, Belize, Mexico, Jamaica, the Cayman Islands, and the Bahamas. A similar type of storm is likely to develop on Wednesday and Thursday, and most of Central America and the nations surrounding the Western Caribbean can expect to see dangerous flooding rains develop this week in association with this giant low. Most of the models also predict that this big low will eventually develop into a tropical storm or hurricane that would be drawn northwards over Cuba late in the week, and threaten the Bahamas, Florida, or the U.S. Gulf of Mexico coast. This is an exceptionally difficult system to forecast correctly, and the models have been coming up with some pretty unusual solutions as to what might happen. We'll just have to wait and see what unfolds over the next few days.

I'll have an update Sunday by 2pm.

Jeff Masters
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701. Seflhurricane 10:42 PM GMT on September 25, 2010    
Quoting MiamiHurricanes09:
A hurricane following 'Nicole' then hits southeastern Florida in 10 days:


this is REALLY BAD 2 bad storms back to back looks like we are going to have a rough october
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702. h0db 10:43 PM GMT on September 25, 2010    
Quoting FLdewey:
Does it smell like vinyl to anyone else in here?


Yes, Dewey, I assume it is new forecasting model smell but it could be the large concentration of plastic underpants.
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703. seflagamma 10:43 PM GMT on September 25, 2010    
Quoting Jedkins01:
who here would be willing to bet that this storm will not come close to a landfall in Tampa Bay, but bears watching for the rest of Florida?

I would bet on it! And I'm not a gambler! lol


Jed,
We all have known for years, Tampa has a "shield" and does not get storms!(J/k)

How many storms have we watched together here
where Tampa was "in the cone" then the storm dives south or even north.

But your day will come and it will probably not be pretty with your bay situation and all the flooding the Tampa Bay area will get..

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704. centex 10:43 PM GMT on September 25, 2010    
Quoting Hurricanes101:


NHC disagrees, also you must be following the convection and not what the circulation is supposed to do

last I checked we track systems based on circulation
That is only reason I bothered to post because I thought NHC track is not correct.
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705. MiamiHurricanes09 10:43 PM GMT on September 25, 2010    
Quoting Seflhurricane:
this is REALLY BAD 2 bad storms back to back looks like we are going to have a rough october
Yeah, we'll likely begin to see continuous activity, and some places are likely in for consecutive hits.
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706. Jedkins01 10:43 PM GMT on September 25, 2010    
Quoting Seflhurricane:
this is REALLY BAD 2 bad storms back to back looks like we are going to have a rough october



ehh don't worry about it till it happens, you know how that goes!
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707. Stormchaser2007 10:44 PM GMT on September 25, 2010    
Quoting jonelu:

Yet another example of a large monsoonal low developing.


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709. truecajun 10:44 PM GMT on September 25, 2010    
Quoting TropicalWeatherGrl:
Hello Truecajun does the quote box work because it doesn't for me does it have something to do with a pop up blocker cause for some reason I cannot quote anyway.


Hi, it's working for me. Try downloading and using google chrome or mozilla firefox as your browser. About two years back I had trouble with the quote function while I used Internet Explorer. It may have been a coincidence.

I'm not great with computers, so if that doesn't work for you, maybe someone else can put in their 2 bits.
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710. Hurricanes101 10:44 PM GMT on September 25, 2010    
Quoting centex:
That is only reason I bothered to post because I thought NHC track is not correct.


I just looked at the current steering and I see that it has gotten weaker, once the remants of Matthew get around 91W it will stall out
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711. Seflhurricane 10:45 PM GMT on September 25, 2010    
Quoting MiamiHurricanes09:
Yeah, we'll likely begin to see continuous activity, and some places are likely in for consecutive hits.
lets hope the models are wrong !!
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712. stormwatcherCI 10:45 PM GMT on September 25, 2010    
Quoting h0db:


Yes, Dewey, I assume it is new forecasting model smell but it could be the large concentration of plastic underpants.
I think it might actually be "The Shower Curtain Shield."
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713. TropicalWeatherGrl 10:47 PM GMT on September 25, 2010    
Quoting cat5hurricane:

If you're using internet explorer, you may need to just hit the box a second time. I had the same issue before I started using Mozilla Firefox as my browser.


I did it yay Thanks so much
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714. seflagamma 10:47 PM GMT on September 25, 2010    
Had a great time today and thanks for the fun and info.

my work week is wrapping up and I have a few things to tend to.

I will catch you all later.

Enjoy your evening and we will be catching carefully for development during the next 7-10 days. ROFL!! LOL
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717. nrtiwlnvragn 10:47 PM GMT on September 25, 2010    
Quoting beell:


I think your right,nrt! We may be developing all week.

ADDED: GFS appears to be modeling the monsoon. Normal process of cyclogenesis may not apply.

Is it M or N?
Could be a raging controversy just over the horizon.
:0

NHC gonna go "N" based on repetition of certain phraseology in the M discussions.

FOR THE PAST FEW DAYS GLOBAL MODELS HAVE BEEN CONSISTENTLY DEPICTING
A TROPICAL CYCLONE IN THE NORTHWESTERN CARIBBEAN SEA TOWARD THE
MIDDLE OF NEXT WEEK. THE MOST RECENT RUNS INDICATE THAT ANY
DEVELOPMENT THERE WOULD LIKELY NOT HAVE CONTINUITY WITH MATTHEW...
BUT RATHER REPRESENT THE FORMATION OF A NEW TROPICAL CYCLONE.



I was looking at that on recent runs to judge weather a remnant of Matthew would be in the redevelopment. Based on following the 850mb vorticity my opinion at this time is it would not. However that is based on the GFS model and we have to watch what actually occurs.

EDIT: Add

This is the first time this year I actually agree that the development is monsoonal.
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718. cloudy0day 10:47 PM GMT on September 25, 2010    
Quoting h0db:


Yes, Dewey, I assume it is new forecasting model smell but it could be the large concentration of plastic underpants.


lol!
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719. weatherwart 10:47 PM GMT on September 25, 2010    
Quoting centex:
That is only reason I bothered to post because I thought NHC track is not correct.


Love to see your member blog explaining why.
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720. TropicalWeatherGrl 10:48 PM GMT on September 25, 2010    
Quoting truecajun:


Hi, it's working for me. Try downloading and using google chrome or mozilla firefox as your browser. About two years back I had trouble with the quote function while I used Internet Explorer. It may have been a coincidence.

I'm not great with computers, so if that doesn't work for you, maybe someone else can put in their 2 bits.


Thank you for your time.
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721. Stormchaser2007 10:48 PM GMT on September 25, 2010    
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722. seflagamma 10:48 PM GMT on September 25, 2010    
Quoting TropicalWeatherGrl:


I did it yay Thanks so much


YEAH!!! now I am really leaving this time.
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724. IKE 10:49 PM GMT on September 25, 2010    
GMZ089-252130-
SYNOPSIS FOR THE GULF OF MEXICO
430 PM CDT SAT SEP 25 2010

.SYNOPSIS...WEAK RIDGE ACROSS THE N WATERS WEAKENS TONIGHT.
COLD FRONT OVER THE SOUTHERN PLAINS MOVES OFF THE TEXAS COAST
LATE SUN AND EXTENDS FROM THE FLORIDA PANHANDLE TO 25N90W TO
19N95W BY LATE MON...AND FROM THE FLORIDA BIG BEND TO 24N90W
TO 19N93W LATE TUE...AND STALL FROM N-CENTRAL FLORIDA TO THE BAY
OF CAMPECHE WED AND THU. NEW LOW PRES IS FORECAST TO FORM IN THE
NW CARIBBEAN TUE AND DRIFT NW TO THE YUCATAN CHANNEL THU WITH
INCREASING WINDS AND SEAS OVER MUCH OF THE S PORTIONS OF THE E
AND CENTRAL GULF.
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725. centex 10:49 PM GMT on September 25, 2010    
Quoting Hurricanes101:


I just looked at the current steering and I see that it has gotten weaker, once the remants of Matthew get around 91W it will stall out
Ok, lets see, it's not changed speed much so far. The only consistent aspect of forecast is it's been wrong.
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726. Hurricanes101 10:49 PM GMT on September 25, 2010    
Quoting Stormchaser2007:
18z GFS

114 hours

900mb winds of 54 knots. Weakens as it moves closer to FL.



Duly noted, but also we know the GFS generally depicts systems as weaker than they actually are
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727. Stormchaser2007 10:49 PM GMT on September 25, 2010    
Quoting RitaRefugee:
ok, i'll ask again....where is StormW?


Was banned for good.

Now on another site.
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728. mbjjm 10:49 PM GMT on September 25, 2010    
Joe Bastardi warning of the pattern we have seen in the Atlantic,being of storm after storm after storm to shift to the Caribbean and coming at the US.



Joe Bastardi
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729. cloudy0day 10:49 PM GMT on September 25, 2010    
Quoting cat5hurricane:

If you're using internet explorer, you may need to just hit the box a second time. I had the same issue before I started using Mozilla Firefox as my browser.


I am using explorer and I always have to hit the quote button twice.
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730. leo305 10:49 PM GMT on September 25, 2010    
the center is slowing down already.. it wont make it to the bay of campeche..

there's south easterly shear also impacting the system, making it seem like it's moving fast twards the NW.
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731. truecajun 10:50 PM GMT on September 25, 2010    
RitaRefugee, i'm WUmailing you
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732. Hurricanes101 10:50 PM GMT on September 25, 2010    
Quoting centex:
Ok, lets see, it's not changed speed much so far. The only consistent aspect of forecast is it's been wrong.


Stormchaser2007 can repost that first advisory track

NHC track-wise has been nearly dead on
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734. RitaRefugee 10:51 PM GMT on September 25, 2010    
723, how do i do that....never checked it before.
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736. Stormchaser2007 10:51 PM GMT on September 25, 2010    
Northern portions of the Gulf are starting to cool.

Caribbean remains hot.

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737. TropicalWeatherGrl 10:51 PM GMT on September 25, 2010    
Quoting seflagamma:


YEAH!!! now I am really leaving this time.


Have a good night.
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739. Stormchaser2007 10:52 PM GMT on September 25, 2010    
Quoting Hurricanes101:


Stormchaser2007 can repost that first advisory

NHC track-wise has been nearly dead on


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740. stormwatcherCI 10:52 PM GMT on September 25, 2010    
Quoting RitaRefugee:
723, how do i do that....never checked it before.
At the top of the page you should see red writing that says New Mail. Just click on it.
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742. Hurricanes101 10:52 PM GMT on September 25, 2010    
Quoting Stormchaser2007:




I think the NHC did a great job on the track, oh and thanks for posting that again lol
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743. truecajun 10:53 PM GMT on September 25, 2010    
Quoting TropicalWeatherGrl:


Thank you for your time.


ur welcome
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744. RitaRefugee 10:53 PM GMT on September 25, 2010    
ok, i got it. Thanks. Storm got BANNED? WTH?
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745. beell 10:53 PM GMT on September 25, 2010    
Quoting nrtiwlnvragn:


I was looking at that on recent runs to judge weather a remnant of Matthew would be in the redevelopment. Based on following the 850mb vorticity my opinion at this time is it would not. However that is based on the GFS model and we have to watch what actually occurs.


Dang, nrt! You should write the Storm Dicussions. I'm speechless. No snappy comeback to that. I'm gonna go do some yardwork.
(
;)
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747. sunlinepr 10:54 PM GMT on September 25, 2010    
Take a look at this excelent explanation from Levi32's Weather Blog

Link
Quoting Detrina:


We are? when might this be? thx
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748. Tazmanian 10:55 PM GMT on September 25, 2010    
ooops what did i start lol
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749. stormwatcherCI 10:55 PM GMT on September 25, 2010    
Quoting RitaRefugee:
ok, i got it. Thanks. Storm got BANNED? WTH?
Long story but best left alone before you incur a ban also.
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751. Stormchaser2007 10:55 PM GMT on September 25, 2010    
Quoting RitaRefugee:
ok, i got it. Thanks. Storm got BANNED? WTH?


You should mail StormJukie for details.

Otherwise, it would be best to not talk about it on here. Never ends up well.
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