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Matthew drenching Central America and Mexico
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 3:35 PM GMT on September 25, 2010 +4
Tropical Storm Matthew continues to dump heavy rains over Honduras, Belize, Guatemala, and neighboring regions of Mexico today. Puerto Barrios, in northern Guatemala, has received 4.57" of rain in the past 24 hours. With Matthew expected to slow down and dissipate by Sunday, the storm's heavy rains of 6 - 15 inches can be expected to cause severe flooding and dangerous mudslides. The rains are of particular concern for Guatemala, which suffered its rainiest August in its history, followed by the landfall of Tropical Depression 11E during the first week of September, which dumped torrential rains on the country that triggered flooding and mudslides that killed at least 48 Guatemalans.


Figure 1. Visible satellite image from NASA's Terra satellite taken yesterday, showing Tropical Storm Matthew approaching landfall.


Figure 2. Forecast rain amounts for the 5-day period beginning at 2am EDT today (Saturday, September 25) as predicted by this morning's 2am EDT (6Z) run of the GFDL. Very heavy rains in excess of eight inches (yellow colors) are predicted for portions of Central America along Matthew's track. Image credit: Morris Bender, NOAA/GFDL.

Lisa
Tropical Storm Lisa pulled a bit of a surprise last night, intensifying into a Category 1 hurricane with 80 mph winds in the far Eastern Atlantic. Lisa's longitude of 27.9W at the time made it the 10th strongest hurricane so far east in the Atlantic. Record keeping began in 1851, but it is likely that many hurricanes stronger than Lisa were missed prior to the advent of reliable satellite coverage in 1974. Lisa is even farther east than Category 4 Hurricane Julia, which earlier this month set the record for strongest hurricane ever recorded so far east. Lisa's glory will be short-lived, though, as strong upper level winds out of the west are expected to increase tonight, bringing high wind shear of 20 - 45 knots over the storm. The high shear may be capable of destroying the storm by early next week. It appears unlikely that Lisa will affect any land areas.

Forecast for the rest of the tropics
Most of the models continue to predict that by Wednesday, the remnants of Matthew, and/or a piece of a tropical disturbance over the Eastern Pacific off the coast of Guatemala, will evolve into a huge and very wet low pressure system that will start spinning over Central America and the Western Caribbean. NHC has been referring to this expected storm as a "monsoon low", and these sorts of storms are very dangerous for Central America and the Western Caribbean, even if they do not develop into a tropical storm. In October 2007, a similar monsoon low I dubbed "the sleeping giant" spent a week spinning over the region, dumping very heavy rains over all of Central America and the countries bordering the Western Caribbean. Rains from this system triggered flooding that killed 45 people in Haiti, damaged thousands of homes in Cuba, and caused havoc in Guatemala, El Salvador, Belize, Mexico, Jamaica, the Cayman Islands, and the Bahamas. A similar type of storm is likely to develop on Wednesday and Thursday, and most of Central America and the nations surrounding the Western Caribbean can expect to see dangerous flooding rains develop this week in association with this giant low. Most of the models also predict that this big low will eventually develop into a tropical storm or hurricane that would be drawn northwards over Cuba late in the week, and threaten the Bahamas, Florida, or the U.S. Gulf of Mexico coast. This is an exceptionally difficult system to forecast correctly, and the models have been coming up with some pretty unusual solutions as to what might happen. We'll just have to wait and see what unfolds over the next few days.

I'll have an update Sunday by 2pm.

Jeff Masters
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1801. mbjjm 6:43 AM GMT on September 26, 2010    
EMCWF Oper

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1802. mbjjm 6:43 AM GMT on September 26, 2010    
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1804. mbjjm 6:46 AM GMT on September 26, 2010    
CMC, Euro, and Gfs shows sevral low forms forming in the Caribbean Sea being drawn North. Whether they develop that where the differences lie.
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1805. iahishome 6:47 AM GMT on September 26, 2010    
Quoting CyclonicVoyage:



News is that Florida Avocado's are better for you than Calicados.


Wow, that's cool. I love avocados any way I can get 'em. 34chip... I'll be there if it's open! Obviously if there's a tropical storm anywhere nearby, they probably won't let us tourists anywhere near the keys.

I was planning on watching a sunset from Mallory square? (I think that's the name) on Key West Friday night.

Saturday night it's where my wife and I try to remember what it was like to party when we were young in Miami!
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1806. david276 6:47 AM GMT on September 26, 2010    
well what i believe we have here. is our first spacecane. Yes it will be so powerful that it will infact spin into orbit. GFS showing spacecane at 300 +
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1807. mbjjm 6:47 AM GMT on September 26, 2010    
HWRF

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1808. CyclonicVoyage 6:47 AM GMT on September 26, 2010    
Quoting TropicalWeatherGrl:
Which model is usually best on intensity the cmc and the euro?


CMC is better on long range track, especially this year. The EURO is a solid model, well used by the NHC, not doing as well this year as in years past, still good though. Again, both are global models, there is a curve when using them for intensity.
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1809. TropicalWeatherGrl 6:47 AM GMT on September 26, 2010    
Quoting xcool:
euro


Thanks xcool :)
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1810. robert88 6:48 AM GMT on September 26, 2010    
It's going to be hard for all that energy to bundle and become anything real serious for the SE. Not saying it won't happen but chances look like this system will be broad and more subtropical looking.
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1811. TropicalWeatherGrl 6:48 AM GMT on September 26, 2010    
Quoting KerryInNOLA:
I use the Flush model for intensity!


lol I will try that one.
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1812. iahishome 6:49 AM GMT on September 26, 2010    
Quoting david276:
well what i believe we have here. is our first spacecane. Yes it will be so powerful that it will infact spin into orbit. GFS showing spacecane at 300 +


Quote LoL Dave... Love your Avatar! You wouldn't be opposed to the spacecane taking Wade Philips with it if our Cowboys lose tomorrow would you?

J/K of course... I don't want him dead, just canned.
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1814. xcool 6:50 AM GMT on September 26, 2010    
lmaoo
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1815. IKE 6:50 AM GMT on September 26, 2010    
Here's a week/168 hours on the ECMWF...

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1816. 7544 6:51 AM GMT on September 26, 2010    
models still showing some kind of system not only naples ft myers miami ftlaud ect ect but the whole fla state t - 5 days and counting stay tuned to your local area news and the wu blog and of corse xcools maps dont get caught off gaurd this will be a rapid development storm imo
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1817. iahishome 6:51 AM GMT on September 26, 2010    
Hmmm, it looks like that trough that was supposed to "Dive Down" and pick up our storms has finally made it as far as Oklahoma tonight.
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1818. 34chip 6:51 AM GMT on September 26, 2010    
Quoting iahishome:


Quote LoL Dave... Love your Avatar! You wouldn't be opposed to the spacecane taking Wade Philips with it if our Cowboys lose tomorrow would you?

J/K of course... I don't want him dead, just canned.


Try to do Sunset on The Top of Crowne Plaza Laconcha it 400 Duval St. You can see the whole island from there. I work at the Pier House Resort which is at One Duval.
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1819. CyclonicVoyage 6:51 AM GMT on September 26, 2010    
Quoting iahishome:


Wow, that's cool. I love avocados any way I can get 'em. 34chip... I'll be there if it's open! Obviously if there's a tropical storm anywhere nearby, they probably won't let us tourists anywhere near the keys.

I was planning on watching a sunset from Mallory square? (I think that's the name) on Key West Friday night.

Saturday night it's where my wife and I try to remember what it was like to party when we were young in Miami!


I am jealous man. We've raised our 3 year old well and are ready to get back out into society now. We're worried that we'll look like the odd couple, where you been the last 10 years, lol. It's going to take some getting used to and NO Sponge Bob is not a topic of conversation, so I hear, lol.
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1820. TropicalWeatherGrl 6:52 AM GMT on September 26, 2010    
Quoting CyclonicVoyage:


CMC is better on long range track, especially this year. The EURO is a solid model, well used by the NHC, not doing as well this year as in years past, still good though. Again, both are global models, there is a curve when using them for intensity.


Thanks you. I have one last quetion and I will leave you alone.WTH is the difference between Euro Oper and Euro?
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1821. iahishome 6:52 AM GMT on September 26, 2010    
I may actually get a use out of my NOAA Weather Radio next weekend in South Florida... it's a novelty here in California!
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1822. CyclonicVoyage 6:53 AM GMT on September 26, 2010    
Quoting IKE:
Here's a week/168 hours on the ECMWF...



I really find that hard to believe, we'll see on consistency. That's a serious trough for OCT in a strong La Nina to boot.
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1823. IKE 6:53 AM GMT on September 26, 2010    
Looks like areas of low pressure riding along a trough on the ECMWF. Plenty of rain for south Florida, but tropically, not much.

Day 8...

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1824. leo305 6:54 AM GMT on September 26, 2010    
the models take the system across florida.. most of the latest ones do..

still, the system has yet to develop so we don't know how accurate they are at the moment..
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1825. TropicalWeatherGrl 6:54 AM GMT on September 26, 2010    
Quoting KerryInNOLA:
Link


lmfao, you are funny :)
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1826. david276 6:54 AM GMT on September 26, 2010    
haha not sure what ill do. Lets send him to mars or something. On a more realistic note next week should be interesting to say the least.
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1827. iahishome 6:54 AM GMT on September 26, 2010    
Quoting CyclonicVoyage:


I am jealous man. We've raised our 3 year old well and are ready to get back out into society now. We're worried that we'll look like the odd couple, where you been the last 10 years, lol. It's going to take some getting used to and NO Sponge Bob is not a topic of conversation, so I hear, lol.


Only one kid? We're not that smart... Three boys. The oldest is 8 and I'm really dreading him as a teenacher... (That was a typo, but I decided to keep it.) He's already got a 'tude.
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1829. iahishome 6:56 AM GMT on September 26, 2010    
I probably should figure out how those NOAA weather radios work. I hear they'll come on and notify you with important information, but of course that's never happened around here LoL.
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1830. CyclonicVoyage 6:56 AM GMT on September 26, 2010    
Quoting TropicalWeatherGrl:


Thanks you. I have one last quetion and I will leave you alone.WTH is the difference between Euro Oper and Euro?


The Euro operational is the main run of the model. The Euro (Ensemble Mean) is the mean of different scenarios thrown at the operational model to get different opinions, kind of like a brainstorm.
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1831. IKE 6:56 AM GMT on September 26, 2010    
Day 9 ECMWF....Link
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1832. Middy83 6:57 AM GMT on September 26, 2010    
still waiting for the welcome rain for the south these next two days...I wonder what the models will say about this upcoming storm tomorrow night.
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1833. iahishome 6:59 AM GMT on September 26, 2010    
Well I have to go! Wish I could stay longer.

Thanks for all the info you guys... I'll keep poking my head in to see what Florida has in store for me next week.

Ike, though this looks like a peninsula event, I know you'll keep an eye out for the panhandle and the rest of the northern gulf coast!
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1834. IKE 6:59 AM GMT on September 26, 2010    
10 day ECMWF...

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1835. JLPR2 7:00 AM GMT on September 26, 2010    
EURO for the third run developed the low in the CATL and now has it moving NW and the WSW towards the islands, watching for consistency and as I said earlier if today's 12z run shows the same I'll start watching more carefully. XD

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1836. 7544 7:00 AM GMT on September 26, 2010    
2 in a row for so fla hmmmm

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1837. CyclonicVoyage 7:00 AM GMT on September 26, 2010    
I'll believe if the models are still showing this tomorrow night. Seems unrealistic to me ATM.
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1838. TropicalWeatherGrl 7:01 AM GMT on September 26, 2010    
Quoting CyclonicVoyage:


The Euro operational is the main run of the model. The Euro (Ensemble Mean) is the mean of different scenarios thrown at the operational model to get different opinions, kind of like a brainstorm.


ahhh ok so operational better then. I really appreciate your help you have been very kind.
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1839. Middy83 7:02 AM GMT on September 26, 2010    
reading some of the comments that was posted earlier today, looks like it might become a sub tropical, TS, or Cat 2 cane. just gonna watch and see
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1840. IKE 7:02 AM GMT on September 26, 2010    
Quoting iahishome:
Well I have to go! Wish I could stay longer.

Thanks for all the info you guys... I'll keep poking my head in to see what Florida has in store for me next week.

Ike, though this looks like a peninsula event, I know you'll keep an eye out for the panhandle and the rest of the northern gulf coast!


Nothing along the northern GOM the next 10 days...season is winding down here.

Actually...I haven't been impacted by anything all season. Not complaining:)
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1841. xcool 7:04 AM GMT on September 26, 2010    
wow
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1842. xcool 7:04 AM GMT on September 26, 2010    
EMCW shows 3 lows
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1843. CyclonicVoyage 7:05 AM GMT on September 26, 2010    
Quoting TropicalWeatherGrl:


ahhh ok so operational better then. I really appreciate your help you have been very kind.


Well yeah it is the main run. I started looking at the means more last year, sometimes it hints at atmospheric trends that can help in working out these junk models, lol.
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1844. 7544 7:05 AM GMT on September 26, 2010    
Quoting xcool:
EMCW shows 3 lows


yeap
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1845. CyclonicVoyage 7:07 AM GMT on September 26, 2010    
Quoting CyclonicVoyage:


Well yeah it is the main run. I started looking at the means more last year, sometimes it hints at atmospheric trends that can help in working out these junk models, lol.


Always welcome different opinions as well, seemed natural.
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1847. TropicalWeatherGrl 7:15 AM GMT on September 26, 2010    
Quoting CyclonicVoyage:


Always welcome different opinions as well, seemed natural.


Makes sense to me.
Have a good night everyone.
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1848. CyclonicVoyage 7:17 AM GMT on September 26, 2010    
Quoting TropicalWeatherGrl:


Makes sense to me.
Have a good night everyone.


You too TWG.
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1850. KoritheMan 7:19 AM GMT on September 26, 2010    
Quoting IKE:


Nothing along the northern GOM the next 10 days...season is winding down here.

Actually...I haven't been impacted by anything all season. Not complaining:)


We would normally expect our season to wind down right around this time. :)
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1851. fredric1979 7:20 AM GMT on September 26, 2010    
Would there be any other possible tracks for these lows besides south Florida at this time.
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