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Matthew drenching Central America and Mexico
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 3:35 PM GMT on September 25, 2010 +4
Tropical Storm Matthew continues to dump heavy rains over Honduras, Belize, Guatemala, and neighboring regions of Mexico today. Puerto Barrios, in northern Guatemala, has received 4.57" of rain in the past 24 hours. With Matthew expected to slow down and dissipate by Sunday, the storm's heavy rains of 6 - 15 inches can be expected to cause severe flooding and dangerous mudslides. The rains are of particular concern for Guatemala, which suffered its rainiest August in its history, followed by the landfall of Tropical Depression 11E during the first week of September, which dumped torrential rains on the country that triggered flooding and mudslides that killed at least 48 Guatemalans.


Figure 1. Visible satellite image from NASA's Terra satellite taken yesterday, showing Tropical Storm Matthew approaching landfall.


Figure 2. Forecast rain amounts for the 5-day period beginning at 2am EDT today (Saturday, September 25) as predicted by this morning's 2am EDT (6Z) run of the GFDL. Very heavy rains in excess of eight inches (yellow colors) are predicted for portions of Central America along Matthew's track. Image credit: Morris Bender, NOAA/GFDL.

Lisa
Tropical Storm Lisa pulled a bit of a surprise last night, intensifying into a Category 1 hurricane with 80 mph winds in the far Eastern Atlantic. Lisa's longitude of 27.9W at the time made it the 10th strongest hurricane so far east in the Atlantic. Record keeping began in 1851, but it is likely that many hurricanes stronger than Lisa were missed prior to the advent of reliable satellite coverage in 1974. Lisa is even farther east than Category 4 Hurricane Julia, which earlier this month set the record for strongest hurricane ever recorded so far east. Lisa's glory will be short-lived, though, as strong upper level winds out of the west are expected to increase tonight, bringing high wind shear of 20 - 45 knots over the storm. The high shear may be capable of destroying the storm by early next week. It appears unlikely that Lisa will affect any land areas.

Forecast for the rest of the tropics
Most of the models continue to predict that by Wednesday, the remnants of Matthew, and/or a piece of a tropical disturbance over the Eastern Pacific off the coast of Guatemala, will evolve into a huge and very wet low pressure system that will start spinning over Central America and the Western Caribbean. NHC has been referring to this expected storm as a "monsoon low", and these sorts of storms are very dangerous for Central America and the Western Caribbean, even if they do not develop into a tropical storm. In October 2007, a similar monsoon low I dubbed "the sleeping giant" spent a week spinning over the region, dumping very heavy rains over all of Central America and the countries bordering the Western Caribbean. Rains from this system triggered flooding that killed 45 people in Haiti, damaged thousands of homes in Cuba, and caused havoc in Guatemala, El Salvador, Belize, Mexico, Jamaica, the Cayman Islands, and the Bahamas. A similar type of storm is likely to develop on Wednesday and Thursday, and most of Central America and the nations surrounding the Western Caribbean can expect to see dangerous flooding rains develop this week in association with this giant low. Most of the models also predict that this big low will eventually develop into a tropical storm or hurricane that would be drawn northwards over Cuba late in the week, and threaten the Bahamas, Florida, or the U.S. Gulf of Mexico coast. This is an exceptionally difficult system to forecast correctly, and the models have been coming up with some pretty unusual solutions as to what might happen. We'll just have to wait and see what unfolds over the next few days.

I'll have an update Sunday by 2pm.

Jeff Masters
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351. CosmicEvents 7:21 PM GMT on September 25, 2010    
Quoting Patrap:
Had a Air Burst Ball Lightening strike unlike anything I ever seen from a Thunderstorm before.

A single round point flash with a unreal Boom,,that knocked the power out for a few.


Man,that was one Loud thunderclap report.
Patrap...in some Eastern European countries lightning is considered a sign of good luck. As are some other things, like stepping in dung. Also considered lucky, to some.
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Hopefully this portends well for your auction.
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352. Levi32 7:23 PM GMT on September 25, 2010    
Quoting Orcasystems:


The question was just about this year.
It just seems that everything that has gotten into the area.. has grown to huge proportions .. and unable to get a full spin going.


You may be talking about the multiple invests that went into the western gulf but I'm not sure I'm seeing what you're seeing. We've only had a handful of systems in the SW Atlantic Basin this year and only a couple of them were actually big-sized. Some of the invests in the western gulf were rather large and didn't have time to become named before going ashore, but they were well on their way at the time.
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353. xcool 7:24 PM GMT on September 25, 2010    


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354. Flawestcoast 7:24 PM GMT on September 25, 2010    
Quoting Jedkins01:
forecasts are so terrible here in Florida, Yesterday was supposed to be numerous thunderstorm coverage, and well only about 20 or 30% of the area got a few heavy showers and storms, very little lightning overall. The PW was 2.24 inches despite such low coverage. Forecasters said that was due to low instability.

Yes the atmosphere is even more moist with a very soupy PW of 2.3 to 2.5 inches, but we are getting Much lower coverage of thunderstorms then forecast. They said the atmosphere was unstable today, but they HAVE to be wrong, there is not even ONE shower in central Florida, so how the heck can there be high instability if the PW is 2.3 to 2.5?

Forecasters must not have a clue whats wrong with the atmosphere as to why convection struggling to develop... Is anyone else in central Florida noticing how weird this is other than me???
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355. TropicalWeatherGrl 7:25 PM GMT on September 25, 2010    
Hello all, I have a quetion for Miami, Levi and whoever else would like to comment. What would be your guess to which of the model runs are most accurate at this time as to where the storm will go. I know there is not a storm yet and how things can change so fast, but just a fun guess.
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356. BradentonBrew 7:27 PM GMT on September 25, 2010    
Quoting Jedkins01:
forecasts are so terrible here in Florida, Yesterday was supposed to be numerous thunderstorm coverage, and well only about 20 or 30% of the area got a few heavy showers and storms, very little lightning overall. The PW was 2.24 inches despite such low coverage. Forecasters said that was due to low instability.

Yes the atmosphere is even more moist with a very soupy PW of 2.3 to 2.5 inches, but we are getting Much lower coverage of thunderstorms then forecast. They said the atmosphere was unstable today, but they HAVE to be wrong, there is not even ONE shower in central Florida, so how the heck can there be high instability if the PW is 2.3 to 2.5?

Forecasters must not have a clue whats wrong with the atmosphere as to why convection struggling to develop... Is anyone else in central Florida noticing how weird this is other than me???


The only weird thing I notice here in West-Central Florida is that it only rains significantly on nights that I'm supposed to play softball. Without fail!
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358. Flawestcoast 7:29 PM GMT on September 25, 2010    
Same deal over in Clearwater Jedkins01. Mets have talked about how much rain we were to get over the weekend, and not a cloud in the sky. At the beginning of the week they said 10%, and we had torrential rains two nights in a row. Very poor forecasting here in Central Fla.
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359. IKE 7:32 PM GMT on September 25, 2010    
6-10 day temperatures...



and precipitation...

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361. CosmicEvents 7:36 PM GMT on September 25, 2010    
Quoting TropicalWeatherGrl:
Hello all, I have a quetion for Miami, Levi and whoever else would like to comment. What would be your guess to which of the model runs are most accurate at this time as to where the storm will go. I know there is not a storm yet and how things can change so fast, but just a fun guess.
I'm just an observer for many years but I'll take a shot at this one.
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I don't look at any particular model before we have something actually spinning somewhere besides the bowels of a computer. To me, it's an exercise in futility. And it can cause some to let their guard down, since the models say they're safe....and cause others undue stress, since the models say they're doomed. Not to mention that every 6 hours the models change. It's not for me. I just observe.
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I do look at the general trend that all the models show, and in addition, I keep in mind that we know climatologically stuff happens in the Caribbean around this time of year.
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363. seflagamma 7:44 PM GMT on September 25, 2010    
Hey Jed and the rest of you folks in Central Florida who are saying you are NOT getting rain.. well, here is the proof...

you are all green, that means you are all wet!

Only the Panhandle is hurting.





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364. shawn26 7:44 PM GMT on September 25, 2010    
You aint kidding
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365. seflagamma 7:44 PM GMT on September 25, 2010    
and if South and Central Florida get that Wet Tropical storm next weekend we are going to be really hurting.'


I dumped over 3 " of rain from my rain guage that my house got from Thur morning until this morning.
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366. MiamiHurricanes09 7:45 PM GMT on September 25, 2010    
Quoting TropicalWeatherGrl:
Hello all, I have a quetion for Miami, Levi and whoever else would like to comment. What would be your guess to which of the model runs are most accurate at this time as to where the storm will go. I know there is not a storm yet and how things can change so fast, but just a fun guess.
Good question. Since the system has yet to develop, I don't know how the models have verified, and since I don't know how they have verified I don't know which is more accurate. Currently I'm biased towards the GFS' timing and am in good agreement with the ECMWF and CMC tracks. Of course this will change over time as the system develops and we get a better idea of things.

And please, do not let your guard down just because one model run isn't pointing towards you.
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367. beell 7:46 PM GMT on September 25, 2010    
Quoting IKE:
10 day ECMWF shows a continued trough in the eastern USA...



Euro builds a strong Atlantic ridge farther N than the GFS. The Western US ridge is about the same in both.

In the Euro, a deep neutral tilt trough (axis is mostly N/S) is shown. The GFS, stronger mid-Atlantic ridging results in a positive tilt trough (axis is NE/SW) with a trough base backing to towards the SW a little.

As shown below, in the 500mb 8-10 day mean comparison, the ECMWF would allow the western-most track downstream of troughing. The GFS, farther east.


Link
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369. cirrocumulus 7:46 PM GMT on September 25, 2010    
Quoting IKE:
6-10 day temperatures...



and precipitation...

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370. myway 7:46 PM GMT on September 25, 2010    
Quoting seflagamma:
and if South and Central Florida get that Wet Tropical storm next weekend we are going to be really hurting.


Yep...saturated ground means the possibility of more trees down which usuallly leads to more power outages.
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371. JLPR2 7:47 PM GMT on September 25, 2010    
97e


Not bad, still elongated but it might develop.
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372. LeMoyne 7:47 PM GMT on September 25, 2010    
Quoting Flawestcoast:[earlier quoted Jedkins01:]
Same deal over in Clearwater Jedkins01. Mets have talked about how much rain we were to get over the weekend, and not a cloud in the sky. At the beginning of the week they said 10%, and we had torrential rains two nights in a row. Very poor forecasting here in Central Fla.

Maybe it all the light oil fractions and dispersant that is in/above the Gulf ...
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374. Relix 7:49 PM GMT on September 25, 2010    
Quoting Tazmanian:



08/ROBTX09 wish is circumventing a ban plzs read rule 5 wish is rule 5 you are not under staning


Do not circumvent a ban. Most bans last 24 hours or less, please accept the ban. If you create a new username to circumvent a ban, you will be blocked from the site completely


Actually, they cannot ban anyone from the site completely. That's technologically impossible. But yeah, follow the rules
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375. seflagamma 7:49 PM GMT on September 25, 2010    
Quoting myway:


Yep...saturated ground means the possibility of more trees down which usuallly leads to more power outages.


walking around on the grass down here feels like you are walking on a wet sponge.
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377. cirrocumulus 7:51 PM GMT on September 25, 2010    
Quoting IKE:
6-10 day temperatures...



and precipitation...



That would indicate Florida receives the most tropical weather. Also, the anomaly shows part of Florida behind on rain.



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379. myway 7:53 PM GMT on September 25, 2010    
Quoting seflagamma:


walking around on the grass down here feels like you are walking on a wet sponge.


Nice and green though isnt it?
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380. DoubleAction 7:54 PM GMT on September 25, 2010    
Quoting sHaDySrEbElLiOn:
Blog is beyond dead


There is life starting south of Haiti right now, watch that area as it is just starting something.
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382. seflagamma 7:54 PM GMT on September 25, 2010    
yes it is, all the grass/weeds even out by the highway where there are no sprinklers and usually sort of brown is dark rich green.

and if you look early close you will see it all standing in water!

unlike most folks in my area, we do not keep our sprinklers on automatic and during the wet months only use then when needed... and we have probably not used our sprinklers 3 or 4 time in the past 5 months..
I will drag out the water hose on specific plants that need water..and potted plants

if everyone else would turn their sprinklers off except when needed we would not have so many water problems.
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386. TropicalWeatherGrl 7:57 PM GMT on September 25, 2010    
Thanks Cosmic and Miami. And Miami of course they will change pain in the butt models. It may not even happen at all, but with all the consistency I would be surprised. My thinking is they will all shift east and it will end up switching either east or west cause it seems like we have a shield not to mention for some reason when models point to an area so far out they never end up actually going there :*(
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391. Chicklit 8:06 PM GMT on September 25, 2010    
Afternoon everyone. Clouds this morning and a few scattered drops but no rain to speak of still in East Central Florida.

Would like to have a pool party at about 4 p.m. tomorrow. It will probably rain then.
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393. Dakster 8:07 PM GMT on September 25, 2010    
I see Matthew is a low now... I guess that is good?
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394. Chicklit 8:08 PM GMT on September 25, 2010    
Quoting Dakster:
I see Matthew is a low now... I guess that is good?

Hi Dakster, yes, that is very good.
We're waiting for the appearance of the mysterious low that's supposed to be headed for Florida.
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395. CapeObserver 8:08 PM GMT on September 25, 2010    
Quoting Chicklit:
Afternoon everyone. Clouds this morning and a few scattered drops but no rain to speak of still in East Central Florida.

Would like to have a pool party at about 4 p.m. tomorrow. It will probably rain then.


Lots of clouds here in SWFL, but most of the significant rain seems to be staying south.
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396. Seastep 8:08 PM GMT on September 25, 2010    
Quoting Dakster:
I see Matthew is a low now... I guess that is good?


He's still a depression, no?

Shouldn't be long, though.
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397. CapeObserver 8:10 PM GMT on September 25, 2010    
Quoting Chicklit:

Hi Dakster, yes, that is very good.
We're waiting for the appearance of the mysterious low that's supposed to be headed for Florida.


Levi's tidbit this morning did a great job explaining that mystery low.
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398. Dakster 8:10 PM GMT on September 25, 2010    
Quoting Chicklit:

Hi Dakster, yes, that is very good.
We're waiting for the appearance of the mysterious low that's supposed to be headed for Florida.


Good Afternoon, Chicklit. I was wondering what was going on with that. I don't even see a yellow circle on the NHC page. (which is good).

I'm cautiously optimistic that I won't have to put shutters up this season.
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