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Otto transitioning to a tropical storm
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 1:35 PM GMT on October 07, 2010 +5
Subtropical Storm Otto, the 15th named storm of this very busy 2010 Atlantic hurricane season, is here. Otto is not a threat to bring high winds to any land areas, but will produce heavy rains over Puerto Rico, the Virgin Islands, and northern Lesser Antilles. Radar estimated rainfall over Puerto Rico and the Virgin Islands (Figure 2) shows rainfall amounts in excess of eight inches have fallen in several locations over the past three days, and the St. Thomas Airport officially recorded 9.30" of rain so far from Otto. Not surprisingly, Flash Flood Warnings are posted for both the Virgin Islands and Puerto Rico. Weather radar out of Puerto Rico shows that a large area of heavy rain will continue to affect the Virgin Islands and eastern Puerto Rico today. Martinique radar shows considerably less activity over the Lesser Antilles.


Figure 1. NASA MODIS image of Subtropical Storm Otto taken at 12:55pm EDT October 6, 2010.

Satellite loops show Otto's heaviest thunderstorms lie in two bands to the south, many hundreds of miles from the storm's center. This is characteristic of a subtropical storm, which is a hybrid between a tropical storm and an extratropical storm. An upper level low pressure system over Otto has pumped cold, dry air aloft into the storm, keeping it from being fully tropical. However, the upper low is weakening, and Otto has recently developed a burst of heavy thunderstorms near its center, and very tropical storm-like spiral bands are now developing to the east and south of Otto's center. Otto is fast becoming fully tropical, and will be called Tropical Storm Otto later today. The storm's newly developing spiral bands will mostly stay offshore, but a few heavy rain showers capable of dumping 1 - 2 inches of rain may affect the Turks and Caicos Islands today, as well as the northern Dominican Republic. The heavier rains in Otto's old rain band over Puerto Rico and the Virgin Islands will continue to dump flooding rains in those locations through tonight. Steering currents favor Otto being lifted northwards and then northeastwards out to sea by Friday. Given the very warm waters of 28 - 29°C and low wind shear of 5 - 10 knots today, Otto may approach hurricane strength before high wind shear in excess of 20 knots impacts the storm Friday night.


Figure 1. Radar-estimated rainfall from Tropical Storm Otto over Puerto Rico and the Virgin Islands shows that rains in excess of eight inches (white colors) have fallen in many regions. The strange ray-like pattern to the east of the radar location (the white "+" symbol) is due to mountains blocking the radar beam.

Elsewhere in the tropics
An area of disturbed weather has formed in the Western Caribbean, a few hundred miles west of Jamaica. The disturbance has a moderate area of intense thunderstorms that brought close to two inches of rain to Grand Cayman Island over the past day. The disturbance is under a high 15 - 25 knots of wind shear, and is not likely to develop significantly today. The disturbance is headed south at 10 - 15 mph, and will bring heavy rains to northeastern Honduras and Nicaragua over the next two days. None of the models develop the disturbance, but it does have some potential for slow development beginning on Friday when it will be off the coast of Nicaragua, in a region of lower wind shear and higher moisture. NHC is giving the disturbance a 10% chance of developing into a tropical depression by Saturday.

Monsoon flooding kills 139 in Asia
Heavy monsoon rains triggered flash flooding in a remote section of Indonesia this week that killed at least 91 people and left 100 more missing. In Vietnam, heavy rains of up to 51" (1300 mm) have fallen since Friday, resulting in river flooding that killed at least 48 people, with 23 people still missing. Over 34,000 people are homeless from the floods, which hit five provinces from Nghe An to Thua Thien-Hue, a swath of territory starting some 300 km (180 miles) south of Hanoi and stretching south. Heavy monsoon rains of up to seven inches over the past week have also hit nearby Hainen Island in China. The resulting flooding was the worst in 50 years there, and killed one person and forced the evacuation of 55 villages with 213,000 people.

Press
I've been a subscriber for several years to NewScientist magazine, a weekly science news magazine that does a great job staying abreast of all the latest breaking science happenings. This week's October 4 issue features a 4-page section on Extreme Weather that I wrote for them as part of their "Instant Expert" series. If you haven't ever seen the magazine, I enthusiastically recommend taking a look.

If you're a fan of the geek humor xkcd webcomic, see if you can find me on the hilarious map of the "blogosphere" on comic artist Randall Munroe's latest xkcd comic. I like the disparity between my influence in September vs. March, but thought I should have been closer to the "Bay of Flame!" I also appeared in a mouse "rollover" text box in an xkcd comic during the Gulf oil disaster earlier this year.

Jeff Masters
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302. wunderkidcayman 10:36 PM GMT on October 07, 2010    
yes TropicalAnalystwx13 quite right hey you know what it may very well be Paloma's sister lol

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303. Cotillion 10:36 PM GMT on October 07, 2010    
Buoy nearest the North Atlantic pressure system according to the NDBC:

Wind Direction (WDIR): ESE ( 120 deg true )
Wave Height (WVHT): 22.3 ft
Average Period (APD): 9 sec
Atmospheric Pressure (PRES): 29.21 in
Pressure Tendency (PTDY): -0.01 in ( Falling )
Air Temperature (ATMP): 58.5 °F
Water Temperature (WTMP): 57.0 °F
Dew Point (DEWP): 55.6 °F
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304. Cotillion 10:37 PM GMT on October 07, 2010    
Quoting wunderkidcayman:
yes TropicalAnalystwx13 quite right hey you know what it may very well be Paloma's sister lol



Except the fact it's going southward....
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306. Bordonaro 10:41 PM GMT on October 07, 2010    
Quoting sunlinepr:

Is that the remnants of Nicole, send via US East Coast Trough Express??
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307. eliteforecaster 10:43 PM GMT on October 07, 2010    
Why is it that over the ocean the strongest thunderstorms occur at night time rather than day time???????????????
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308. sunlinepr 10:43 PM GMT on October 07, 2010    
Quoting eliteforecaster :

He can do what he chooses

Our interest is weather, no matter where on earth it happens.... N Atlantic, Pacific, India, etc. I think there's nothing wrong trying to be informative, and to view the whole picture.... after all, man.....sorry for any inconveniences.... .
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309. stormwatcherCI 10:44 PM GMT on October 07, 2010    
Quoting eliteforecaster:
Why is it that over the ocean the strongest thunderstorms occur at night time rather than day time???????????????
Because that is when there is the biggest difference in temperature between the air and the water.
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310. stormwatcherCI 10:45 PM GMT on October 07, 2010    
Quoting sunlinepr:

Our interest is weather, no matter where on earth it happens.... N Atlantic, Pacific, India, etc. I think there's nothing wrong trying to be informative, and to view the whole picture.... after all, man.....sorry for any inconveniences.... .
I think you quoted the wrong one. He was defending your posts. LOL
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311. sunlinepr 10:47 PM GMT on October 07, 2010    
Quoting stormwatcherCI:
I think you quoted the wrong one. He was defending your posts. LOL


Yeah.... bad post,,,,, I fixed it...
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312. kimoskee 10:49 PM GMT on October 07, 2010    
Quoting sunlinepr:
Tremor felt in Jamaica
2010-10-07 16:39:05 | (0 Comments)
A tremor was felt in Kingston a short while ago. The tremor was felt for a number of seconds. Dr. Lindel Brown, the Head of the Earthquake Unit at the University of the West Indies, reports that the quake measured 3.7 on the Richter Scale with its epicenter in the Blue Mountains.


Didn't feel it but alot of my friends did.
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313. stormwatcherCI 10:54 PM GMT on October 07, 2010    
Quoting kimoskee:


Didn't feel it but alot of my friends did.
My grand-daughter is in Mandeville now and she said her step-father's father told her about it.
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314. eliteforecaster 11:01 PM GMT on October 07, 2010    
Quoting stormwatcherCI:
Because that is when there is the biggest difference in temperature between the air and the water.


How is that possible? Is the air hotter or colder than the ocean?
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315. sunlinepr 11:05 PM GMT on October 07, 2010    
Quoting kimoskee:


Didn't feel it but alot of my friends did.


Surely it is related to this other episode:
Cuba
Magnitude 5.1
Date-Time
* Monday, October 04, 2010 at 11:48:34 UTC
* Monday, October 04, 2010 at 07:48:34 AM at epicenter
Location 19.807°N, 75.416°W
Depth 26 km (16.2 miles)
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316. kimoskee 11:06 PM GMT on October 07, 2010    
My laptop crashed. Using someone else's computer. Can someone tell me which way "soon to be named Paula" is heading, please.
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317. Bordonaro 11:10 PM GMT on October 07, 2010    
Quoting kimoskee:
My laptop crashed. Using someone else's computer. Can someone tell me which way "soon to be named Paula" is heading, please.

It is sinking slowly southward.
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318. sunlinepr 11:10 PM GMT on October 07, 2010    
Quoting kimoskee:
My laptop crashed. Using someone else's computer. Can someone tell me which way "soon to be named Paula" is heading, please.


Most probable, possibly soon named Paula.....


A BROAD LOW PRESSURE TROUGH IS PRODUCING SCATTERED SHOWERS AND
THUNDERSTORMS OVER MUCH OF THE WEST-CENTRAL AND SOUTHWESTERN
CARIBBEAN SEA. SOME SLOW DEVELOPMENT OF THIS AREA OF DISTURBED
WEATHER IS POSSIBLE OVER THE NEXT FEW DAYS AS IT MOVES SOUTHWARD
AT 5 TO 10 MPH. THERE IS A LOW CHANCE...10 PERCENT...OF THIS SYSTEM
BECOMING A TROPICAL CYCLONE DURING THE NEXT 48 HOURS.
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319. stormwatcherCI 11:12 PM GMT on October 07, 2010    
Quoting eliteforecaster:


How is that possible? Is the air hotter or colder than the ocean?
The water retains the daytime heating while the air cools at night.
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320. stormwatcherCI 11:12 PM GMT on October 07, 2010    
Quoting Bordonaro:

It is sinking slowly southward.
Once it develops which way is it expected to move ?
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321. kimoskee 11:13 PM GMT on October 07, 2010    
Gotta go. Will try to check back in later (will use one of the kid's after homework).

Besides the tremor, we had a huge downpour this afternoon. The ground is so saturated that the streets were flooded in minutes. So we've gone from drought to flood in a matter of months. Either too much or too little. Can't win. Stay dry.
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322. Bordonaro 11:15 PM GMT on October 07, 2010    
Quoting stormwatcherCI:
Once it develops which way is it expected to move ?

Slowly south or southwestward per the ECMWF computer models.
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323. stormwatcherCI 11:17 PM GMT on October 07, 2010    
Quoting Bordonaro:

Slowly south or southwestward per the ECMWF computer models.
Isn't it expected to eventually move northward ?
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324. MiamiHurricanes09 11:18 PM GMT on October 07, 2010    
The 12z ECMWF depicted that the disturbance over the southern Caribbean develop into a tropical cyclone, move towards the northwest, get picked up by a large trough of low pressure advecting eastward, and recurve the system towards the northeast towards the Cayman Islands, central Cuba, and the Bahamas. The system appears to be near or at hurricane strength after passing over the Cayman Islands.
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325. sunlinepr 11:19 PM GMT on October 07, 2010    
Quoting kimoskee:
My laptop crashed. Using someone else's computer. Can someone tell me which way "soon to be named Paula" is heading, please.


Take a look here
Link
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326. stormwatcherCI 11:20 PM GMT on October 07, 2010    
From Crown Weather TWD this morning.


As for a possible track, this is probably going to be problematic as systems in the southwest Caribbean are notoriously difficult to forecast due to weak steering currents in this area. There are quite a few scenarios that are possible with this system and I’m not sold on any one solution right now. A couple of these scenarios include that the trough of low pressure does eventually track eastward and is able to pull this northward and out of the Caribbean later next week. If this happens, then it would pose a threat to Cuba, south Florida and the Bahamas.

Another scenario is that this system never gets picked up and meanders around the southwest Caribbean and eventually comes ashore in Central America.
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327. CosmicEvents 11:22 PM GMT on October 07, 2010    
Quoting Floodman:
Man, 6 hours in and only 140 comments? Sad...
This is what happens when the community sits back and allows a few to decide what's best for thousands in the community....combined with an admin that has good intentions, but is lacking perhaps in it's guidance from above or it's fear of liabilities that don't exist in any place other than the minds of the "few". Some censorship is of course needed, it's been fine and fine-tuned since it's inception, but of late I think it's reached a level that's gone beyond where the community as a whole would like it to be.
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The result becomes a community that loses it's community. Doc isn't going to be happy with the time on site numbers. And ultimately, many will vote with their wallet when it comes time to renew.
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I see a cloud....moving WEST!!!!
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329. WeatherfanPR 11:26 PM GMT on October 07, 2010    
Paula could affect Cuba, Florida and Bahamas.
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330. sunlinepr 11:26 PM GMT on October 07, 2010    
Quoting CosmicEvents:
This is what happens when the community sits back and allows a few to decide what's best for thousands in the community....combined with an admin that has good intentions, but is lacking perhaps in it's guidance from above or it's fear of liabilities that don't exist in any place other than the minds of the "few". Some censorship is of course needed, it's been fine and fine-tuned since it's inception, but of late I think it's reached a level that's gone beyond where the community as a whole would like it to be.
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The result becomes a community that loses it's community. Doc isn't going to be happy with the time on site numbers. And ultimately, many will vote with their wallet when it comes time to renew.


Think you're right.... To make this blog dinamic Everybody here should be posting, asking, telling, learning, teaching (those experienced - I'm not), bringing new ideas, new points of view, with an open mind.... surely, Weather related.... No matter from where on EARTH...
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331. txjac 11:28 PM GMT on October 07, 2010    
Cosmic Events, wonder how much of the slow down in posting is due to the inactivity of any CONUS related landfalls and how much of its due to the "tone" of the blog lately?

Maybe everyone is out enjoying the "high" that is sitting over much of the CONUS related land fall areas

Dont think that I am discounting all the islands ..just not the CONUS
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332. CybrTeddy 11:28 PM GMT on October 07, 2010    
Slow night.. even with a tropical storm out there.
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334. TropicalAnalystwx13 11:34 PM GMT on October 07, 2010    
I would raise Otto to 65 mph on Satellite appearances only.
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335. CybrTeddy 11:37 PM GMT on October 07, 2010    
Quoting DontAnnoyMe:


Are anomalous years dropped from the 30 year temp and precip averages? Don't think so...


Fine. The average is ~14/8/4 WITH 2005.

We're at 15/7/5.
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336. txjac 11:41 PM GMT on October 07, 2010    
In response to Kerry post 333

Are we really in a time of hyperactivie seasons or is a lot of this due to hyperactivity of the forecasters?

I dont know if I would classify it as hyperactivity of the forecasters I think its something that we are all feeling ...information overload and how to digest it. The tools that the forcasters have today allows for them to identify storms earlier ...maybe in the near future they will modify the requirements for naming tropical systems
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337. MiamiHurricanes09 11:41 PM GMT on October 07, 2010    
Cloud tops as cold as -80˚C are being fired by Otto within its CDO (central dense overcast).

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338. CybrTeddy 11:42 PM GMT on October 07, 2010    
AOI in Caribbean up to 20%.
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339. MiamiHurricanes09 11:43 PM GMT on October 07, 2010    
000
ABNT20 KNHC 072339
TWOAT
TROPICAL WEATHER OUTLOOK
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
800 PM EDT THU OCT 7 2010

FOR THE NORTH ATLANTIC...CARIBBEAN SEA AND THE GULF OF MEXICO...

THE NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER IS ISSUING ADVISORIES ON TROPICAL
STORM OTTO...LOCATED ABOUT 280 MILES NORTHEAST OF GRAND TURK
ISLAND AND ABOUT 600 MILES SOUTH-SOUTHWEST OF BERMUDA.

A BROAD TROUGH OF LOW PRESSURE CONTINUES TO PRODUCE AN AREA OF
SHOWERS AND THUNDERSTORMS OVER PORTIONS OF THE WESTERN CARIBBEAN
SEA. SOME SLOW DEVELOPMENT IS POSSIBLE AS THE SYSTEM REMAINS
NEARLY STATIONARY OVER THE NEXT FEW DAYS. THERE IS A LOW CHANCE...20 PERCENT...OF TROPICAL CYCLONE FORMATION DURING THE NEXT 48
HOURS.

ELSEWHERE...TROPICAL CYCLONE FORMATION IS NOT EXPECTED DURING THE
NEXT 48 HOURS.

$$
FORECASTER BERG

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340. stormwatcherCI 11:44 PM GMT on October 07, 2010    
000
ABNT20 KNHC 072339
TWOAT
TROPICAL WEATHER OUTLOOK
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
800 PM EDT THU OCT 7 2010

FOR THE NORTH ATLANTIC...CARIBBEAN SEA AND THE GULF OF MEXICO...

THE NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER IS ISSUING ADVISORIES ON TROPICAL
STORM OTTO...LOCATED ABOUT 280 MILES NORTHEAST OF GRAND TURK
ISLAND AND ABOUT 600 MILES SOUTH-SOUTHWEST OF BERMUDA.

A BROAD TROUGH OF LOW PRESSURE CONTINUES TO PRODUCE AN AREA OF
SHOWERS AND THUNDERSTORMS OVER PORTIONS OF THE WESTERN CARIBBEAN
SEA. SOME SLOW DEVELOPMENT IS POSSIBLE AS THE SYSTEM REMAINS
NEARLY STATIONARY OVER THE NEXT FEW DAYS. THERE IS A LOW CHANCE...
20 PERCENT...OF TROPICAL CYCLONE FORMATION DURING THE NEXT 48
HOURS.

ELSEWHERE...TROPICAL CYCLONE FORMATION IS NOT EXPECTED DURING THE
NEXT 48 HOURS.

$$
FORECASTER BERG

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343. CaptnDan142 11:50 PM GMT on October 07, 2010    
Quoting CosmicEvents:
The result becomes a community that loses it's community. Doc isn't going to be happy with the time on site numbers. And ultimately, many will vote with their wallet when it comes time to renew.
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As recently as a couple of years ago, this was a community. It has been in decline for a while now. The way it is now, something like the blog involvement in Portlight wouldn't happen. Even discussing such a thing now would probably get flagged by a certain few around here.

I agree with what you are saying regarding the numbers... But ten bucks doesn't buy a whole lot of bandwidth. A decline in memberships will mean nothing when compared to the decline in ad revenues because of the low numbers.

In the end, it will be like most things in society today. The vocal few will get their way while the majority move on to other places and things, and run somebody else's ad revenues up.
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344. PSLFLCaneVet 11:53 PM GMT on October 07, 2010    
Quoting CaptnDan142:


As recently as a couple of years ago, this was a community. It has been in decline for a while now. The way it is now, something like the blog involvement in Portlight wouldn't happen. Even discussing such a thing now would probably get flagged by a certain few around here.

I agree with what you are saying regarding the numbers... But ten bucks doesn't buy a whole lot of bandwidth. A decline in memberships will mean nothing when compared to the decline in ad revenues because of the low numbers.

In the end, it will be like most things in society today. The vocal few will get their way while the majority move on to other places and things, and run somebody else's ad revenues up.


Another fine point. Thanks, Cap'n.
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345. txjac 11:53 PM GMT on October 07, 2010    
In the end, it will be like most things in society today. The vocal few will get their way while the majority move on to other places and things


+ 1000

So true Captain dan!
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346. CybrTeddy 11:56 PM GMT on October 07, 2010    
EURO on board with development in the Caribbean.


We also might want to pay attention to north of Otto. Check out the 999 mb low north of Otto on the ECMWF in 48 hours.


Check it out, its on the GFS too.


The GGEM also has it north of Otto.


And the UKMET too


Even on the NOGAPS.


Interesting indeed. They all show something brewing in the Caribbean too, but don't develop it.. except the ECMWF has a hurricane out of it.
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347. MiamiHurricanes09 12:02 AM GMT on October 08, 2010    
No signs of an eyewall developing.

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348. DontAnnoyMe 12:05 AM GMT on October 08, 2010    
Quoting KerryInNOLA:
It's becoming harder and harder to compare activity of recent seasons with those past. Besides premature and at times incorrect namings such as Nicole, we have these hybrids getting named, we have satellites finding insignificant systems that would never have been named before. A fair guess is that a season of 16 storms named today is about the same as one with 12 storms in the 1920s.
Are we really in a time of hyperactivie seasons or is a lot of this due to hyperactivity of the forecasters?


But you still haven't answered Neapoitan's original question:

"How is naming a storm "dangerous"?"
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349. txjac 12:06 AM GMT on October 08, 2010    
Question ...and I hesitate at asking it ...what's the traffic like at the new "other" blog ...havent visited myself ...just curious
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350. WeatherNerdPR 12:07 AM GMT on October 08, 2010    
Quoting CybrTeddy:
EURO on board with development in the Caribbean.


We also might want to pay attention to north of Otto. Check out the 999 mb low north of Otto on the ECMWF in 48 hours.


Check it out, its on the GFS too.


The GGEM also has it north of Otto.


And the UKMET too


Even on the NOGAPS.


Interesting indeed. They all show something brewing in the Caribbean too, but don't develop it.. except the ECMWF has a hurricane out of it.

Oh-My-Gosh...
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351. sunlinepr 12:07 AM GMT on October 08, 2010    
Quoting CybrTeddy:

We also might want to pay attention to north of Otto. Check out the 999 mb low north of Otto on the ECMWF in 48 hours.

Carefull, don't mention that low....
This blog won't support 13 (one over a dozen).... See post 301...
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