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99L a threat to develop; damage from Typhoon Megi still largely unknown
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 1:38 PM GMT on October 19, 2010 +3
Heavy thunderstorm activity has increased and grown more organized this morning over the southwestern Caribbean between Honduras and the Cayman Islands, in association with a tropical disturbance (Invest 99L). The storm is bringing heavy rain to the Cayman Islands; two inches has fallen so far this morning at Savannah on Grand Cayman Island. Recent satellite imagery shows that 99L has some rotation, and the winds on the northeast coast of Honduras at Puerto Lempira have shifted to the west-northwest, implying that 99L may be developing a surface circulation. Wind shear is a moderate 10 - 20 knots, which is low enough to allow some slow development. Water vapor satellite loops reveal that the atmosphere in the Western Caribbean is moist enough to support development, and the waters beneath are plenty warm, at 29°C. The latest SHIPS model forecast predicts that wind shear over the Western Caribbean will mostly remain in the moderate range, 10 - 20 knots, for the remainder of the week. The current north-northwest motion of 99L should continue until Wednesday, when a strong ridge of high pressure is forecast to build in, forcing 99L to the south or west. However, steering currents will be weak Wednesday through Friday, making it difficult to predict where 99L may wander to. The only models that develop 99L are the GFDL and HWRF. The GFDL model predicts that 99L will spend enough time over water to develop into a hurricane, and brings the storm to the coast of Mexico's Yucatan Peninsula on Sunday morning. The HWRF model has 99L making landfall over Honduras late this week, before the storm has a chance to develop into a hurricane. NHC is giving 99L a 40% chance of developing into a tropical depression by Thursday. I believe the odds are higher, near 60%. The Hurricane Hunters are on call to investigate 99L this afternoon.


Figure 1. Morning satellite image of Invest 99L.

Damage from Super Typhoon Megi still largely unknown
The power is still out and communications are down over the majority of the northern portion of the Philippines' Luzon Island blasted by Typhoon Megi yesterday, so the extent of the destruction wrought by the great storm is still largely unknown. Preliminary news reports indicate that at least 10 people died, and the northern Philippine province of Isabela suffered severe damage. Megi hit Luzon on Monday morning at 3:30 UTC as a Category 5 super typhoon with sustained winds of 165 mph and a central pressure of 914 mb. Baguio near the west coast of northern Luzon received 7.72" of rain from the storm, and many mountainous regions likely received over a foot of rain.


Figure 2. Rainfall rates in excess of 1 inch per hour (orange colors) were observed by the polar-orbiting F-18 satellite in association with Megi at 00:40 UTC October 19, 2010. Image credit: Navy Research Lab, Monterey.

Passage over Luzon Island destroyed Megi's eyewall and inner core region, and the storm compensated by expanding and intensifying the portions of its circulation that were over water. Now that its center is back over water in the South China Sea, Megi has re-developed its inner core and has built a formidable new eyewall. At the same time, Megi has been able to maintain its larger size, and is now a much larger typhoon than when it hit the Philippines. This is similar to what happened to Hurricane Ike in 2008 when it passed over Cuba, and helped give Ike a very destructive storm surge when it came ashore over Texas. Wind shear is a low 5 - 10 knots over Megi, and the waters of the South China sea have a very high total heat content to great depth, so Megi should be able to intensify into a very dangerous Category 4 storm by Thursday. The larger size of Megi means that it will be able to deliver a significant storm surge in excess of ten feet to the coast of China of Friday or Saturday, when the storm is expected to make landfall near Hong Kong. As the storm approaches the coast on Friday, wind shear is expected to rise to the moderate or high range, and the total heat content of the ocean will drop significantly, so some weakening is to be expected. Still, Megi will probably hit China as a major Category 3 typhoon,bringing a significant storm surge, high winds, and widespread torrential rains that will likely make this a multi-billion dollar disaster for China.

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351. Goldenblack 7:43 PM GMT on October 19, 2010    
Jeff, I don't know...there is a lot of variation between runs with the GFDL right now. Now that we have TD 19 (not confirmed totally), lets see what happens.

Quoting Jeff9641:
The GFDL nailed Wilma 5 years ago I wonder if the same is happening now!
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352. mcluvincane 7:43 PM GMT on October 19, 2010    
Quoting pilotguy1:


With all due respect, or not. This thing is not very exciting so far.


Then don't pay attention to it
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353. rmbjoe1954 7:43 PM GMT on October 19, 2010    
Is convection building around the COC?
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354. Goldenblack 7:45 PM GMT on October 19, 2010    
I would have to think that we just need to give it time, like any other system, it is not going anywhere real fast.... I think those in the Caribbean western Cuba, Honduras, etc. might disagree with that analysis too

Quoting mcluvincane:


Then don't pay attention to it
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355. jiminceiba 7:45 PM GMT on October 19, 2010    
Quoting LightningCharmer:
Sounds like a corrupted file in the caché, cookie or script most likely. It would be too lengthy, off topic and a discourtesy to other bloggers to describe the remedy in this comment. WUMail, and I can pass on a tip or two.


problem solved...i just did a system restart...problem went away.....thanks for the advice though....
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356. Neapolitan 7:45 PM GMT on October 19, 2010    
Quoting pilotguy1:


With all due respect, or not. This thing is not very exciting so far.

Sorry the weather can't provide you the stimulation you crave. I suggest you write to Mother Nature immediately and demand a full refund!!!

;-)
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358. Seastep 7:46 PM GMT on October 19, 2010    
18Z CIMSS charts are out. Everything starting to stack up around the 700mb vort. Organizing fairly quickly.

Upper level anti-cyclone continues to follow along, too.

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359. bwi 7:47 PM GMT on October 19, 2010    
Interesting that the plane is flying around east of the reported center and still finding pressure right at 1009mb. Maybe when it turns back to the "center" it will find 1008?
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360. bloodstar 7:47 PM GMT on October 19, 2010    
At this point, I can't imagine this will be a Tropical Depression at 5PM, the low is extremely broad and not very organized. In addition, there isn't a very well defined concentration of persistent thunderstorm activity. And while I'm sure there are cases where storms looked worse and were still designated a Tropical Depression, both factors above will probably keep it from designation.

If it has more thunderstorm activity, or the pressure gradient tightens up, it'll get designated IMO. It needs one or the other to happen first though.
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361. Goldenblack 7:47 PM GMT on October 19, 2010    
That is quite a change in vort since earlier..


Quoting Seastep:
18Z CIMSS charts are out. Everything starting to stack up around the 700mb vort. Organizing fairly quickly.

Upper level anti-cyclone continues to follow along, too.

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362. Seastep 7:47 PM GMT on October 19, 2010    
Quoting bwi:
Interesting that the plane is flying around east of the reported center and still finding pressure right at 1009mb. Maybe when it turns back to the "center" it will find 1008?


That would be a good prediction.
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363. Neapolitan 7:47 PM GMT on October 19, 2010    
Quoting rmbjoe1954:
Is convection building around the COC?

Yes, as evidenced by both the RGB and Rainbow IR loops.
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365. CyclonicVoyage 7:48 PM GMT on October 19, 2010    
Product: Air Force Vortex Message (URNT12 KNHC)
Transmitted: 19th day of the month at 19:37Z
Corrected: This observation corrected a previous observation.
Aircraft: Air Force Aircraft (Last 3 digits of the tail number are 303)
Mission Purpose: Investigate eight suspect area (flight in the North Atlantic basin)
Mission Number: 1
Observation Number: 13
A. Time of Center Fix: 19th day of the month at 19:09:00Z
B. Center Fix Coordinates: 17°23'N 83°29'W (17.3833N 83.4833W)
B. Center Fix Location: 191 miles (308 km) to the SW (226°) from George Town, Cayman Islands (GBR).
C. Minimum Height at Standard Level: Not Available
D. Estimated (by SFMR or visually) Maximum Surface Wind: 27kts (~ 31.1mph)
E. Location of the Estimated Maximum Surface Wind: 20 nautical miles (23 statute miles) to the NNW (347°) of center fix
F. Maximum Flight Level Wind Inbound: From 112° at 20kts (From the ESE at ~ 23.0mph)
G. Location of Maximum Flight Level Wind Inbound: 21 nautical miles (24 statute miles) to the NNW (347°) of center fix
H. Minimum Sea Level Pressure: 1009mb (29.80 inHg) - Extrapolated
I. Maximum Flight Level Temp & Pressure Altitude Outside Eye: 22°C (72°F) at a pressure alt. of 303m (994ft)
J. Maximum Flight Level Temp & Pressure Altitude Inside Eye: 23°C (73°F) at a pressure alt. of 302m (991ft)
K. Dewpoint Temp (collected at same location as temp inside eye): 22°C (72°F)
K. Sea Surface Temp (collected at same location as temp inside eye): Not Available
L. Eye Character: Not Available
M. Eye Shape: Not Available
N. Fix Determined By: Penetration, Wind and Pressure
N. Fix Level: 1,500 feet
O. Navigation Fix Accuracy: 0.02 nautical miles
O. Meteorological Accuracy: 5 nautical miles
Remarks Section - Remarks That Were Decoded...
Maximum Flight Level Wind: 20kts (~ 23.0mph) in the north quadrant at 18:59:30Z
Maximum Flight Level Wind Outbound: 21kts (~ 24.2mph) in the southeast quadrant at 19:15:30Z
Sea Level Pressure Extrapolation From: Below 1,500 feet
Remarks Section - Additional Remarks...
BEST WINDSHIFT CENTER WAS AT 19:05:50Z AT 17 31N 83 35W
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366. Goldenblack 7:49 PM GMT on October 19, 2010    
Agree, especially in the US, there is nothing solid yet stating that this will ever even get out of the Western Caribbean.

Quoting pilotguy1:


I agree. I just don't think anyone should get too excited at this point.
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367. jasblt 7:49 PM GMT on October 19, 2010    
Quoting pilotguy1:


Up yours. Jeez. Any opinion as long as it agrees with yours.


Flagged
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368. Seastep 7:49 PM GMT on October 19, 2010    
Quoting bloodstar:
At this point, I can't imagine this will be a Tropical Depression at 5PM, the low is extremely broad and not very organized. In addition, there isn't a very well defined concentration of persistent thunderstorm activity. And while I'm sure there are cases where storms looked worse and were still designated a Tropical Depression, both factors above will probably keep it from designation.

If it has more thunderstorm activity, or the pressure gradient tightens up, it'll get designated IMO. It needs one or the other to happen first though.


The concentrated thunderstorm activity is the kicker. Has everything else, really, but NHC likes to see that over the center.
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369. CybrTeddy 7:49 PM GMT on October 19, 2010    
They rarely issue a vortex message and not upgrade, meaning they found a closed circulation and TD force winds.

IMO 99L's a 25kt Depression.
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371. BLee2333 7:50 PM GMT on October 19, 2010    
would you consider it a TD with this?

"BEST WINDSHIFT CENTER WAS AT 19:05:50Z AT 17 31N 83 35W"

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372. Goldenblack 7:50 PM GMT on October 19, 2010    
Bingo, doesn't it have to be sustained for 6 hours to attain TD by definition?

Quoting Seastep:


The concentrated thunderstorm activity is the kicker. Has everything else, really, but NHC likes to see that over the center.
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373. kmanislander 7:50 PM GMT on October 19, 2010    
Quoting Goldenblack:
Forgive my ignorance, but I am assuming that tourism is probably the number 1 industry down there. All this tropical activity in the past two weeks must be hurting. Correct me if I am wrong.




Tourism and financial services are the twin pillars of our economy. Cruise tourism is the strongest portion of the tourism product right now and when we have bad weather the ships might either by pass us entirely or the number of passengers coming ashore is very limited.
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375. CybrTeddy 7:52 PM GMT on October 19, 2010    
Quoting BLee2333:
would you consider it a TD with this?

"BEST WINDSHIFT CENTER WAS AT 19:05:50Z AT 17 31N 83 35W"



It means that the winds shifted, as you would expect in a closed circulation.
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377. Goldenblack 7:52 PM GMT on October 19, 2010    
Right! People always talk about financial services in the Caymans.....that is what I get for not taking the time to look it up (smacks head LOL).

Quoting kmanislander:


Tourism and financial services are the twin pillars of our economy. Cruise tourism is the strongest portion of the tourism product right now and when we have bad weather the ships might either by pass us entirely or the number of passengers coming ashore are very limited.
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378. CyclonicVoyage 7:53 PM GMT on October 19, 2010    
Quoting BLee2333:
would you consider it a TD with this?

"BEST WINDSHIFT CENTER WAS AT 19:05:50Z AT 17 31N 83 35W"



With a vortex message and winds supportive of a TD, I would think so.

However,

There could be other factors negating an upgrade, like, the 50% medium chance at 2pm from the NHC.
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379. kmanislander 7:53 PM GMT on October 19, 2010    
Quoting Goldenblack:
Right! People always talk about financial services in the Caymans.....that is what I get for not taking the time to look it up (smacks head LOL).



Forgiven LOL !
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380. BLee2333 7:53 PM GMT on October 19, 2010    
41.0 knots (~ 47.1 mph)
Tropical Storm

Wonder if they'll find enough to classify...
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381. Goldenblack 7:53 PM GMT on October 19, 2010    
Yes and so is the dramatically different (not necessarily dramatically improved) satellite presentation. Can really see the definition of circulation now.

Quoting pioggiasuper:
From an Orange Circle to TD 15...very interesting :)
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383. jiminceiba 7:54 PM GMT on October 19, 2010    
Quoting Goldenblack:
Forgive my ignorance, but I am assuming that tourism is probably the number 1 industry down there. All this tropical activity in the past two weeks must be hurting. Correct me if I am wrong.



actually...here in honduras..on the north coast..heavy rains can raise havoc with agriculture...there are mountains just a couple of miles south of the ocean, all along the coast..and the coast is where the bananas and pineapples are grown...this is dole country..so, when we get heavy rain...the rivers go crazy and everything floods..including the producing areas..tourist isn't real big here...tropical fruit is
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384. CybrTeddy 7:55 PM GMT on October 19, 2010    
Recon found a whole page of 38-41 mph winds.

SFMR found 47 sustained, likely a gust.
41 knots
(~ 47.1 mph)
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385. CyclonicVoyage 7:56 PM GMT on October 19, 2010    
Quoting BLee2333:
41.0 knots (~ 47.1 mph)
Tropical Storm

Wonder if they'll find enough to classify...


Location of that wind

19:37:00Z 17.450N 82.867W

There are quite a few uncontaminated TS readings in this observation.
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386. Seastep 7:56 PM GMT on October 19, 2010    
Quoting Goldenblack:
Bingo, doesn't it have to be sustained for 6 hours to attain TD by definition?



Something like that. Persistent, deep convection over the coc, I believe.
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387. Goldenblack 7:57 PM GMT on October 19, 2010    
I was actually talking about the Cayman Islands, but that is a very interesting tidbit about northern Honduras being Dole country, makes sense that area would be good for agriculture with river runoff from mountains and coastal plain.

And very susceptible to the amount of rain you have been getting, stay safe.

Quoting jiminceiba:

actually...here in honduras..on the north coast..heavy rains can raise havoc with agriculture...there are mountains just a couple of miles south of the ocean, all along the coast..and the coast is where the bananas and pineapples are grown...this is dole country..so, when we get heavy rain...the rivers go crazy and everything floods..including the producing areas..tourist isn't real big here...tropical fruit is
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388. kmanislander 7:57 PM GMT on October 19, 2010    
Back later
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389. CyclonicVoyage 7:57 PM GMT on October 19, 2010    
Walks and talks like a duck.

It's just not looking like a duck yet.
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390. LightningCharmer 7:58 PM GMT on October 19, 2010    
Quoting jiminceiba:


problem solved...i just did a system restart...problem went away.....thanks for the advice though....
Great! That was going to be my first suggestion. Most modern operating systems do file housekeeping so to speak on start.



Fewer models runs tracking around in circles:



BAMD headed right for the Basque region.
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391. CyclonicVoyage 7:58 PM GMT on October 19, 2010    
19:46:00Z 17.950N 82.883W

45 knots
(~ 51.7 mph)
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392. Goldenblack 7:59 PM GMT on October 19, 2010    
is more like a "cheep cheep" at this point...lol

Quoting CyclonicVoyage:
Walks and talks like a duck.

It's just not looking like a duck yet.
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393. CyclonicVoyage 8:00 PM GMT on October 19, 2010    
Quoting Goldenblack:
is more like a "cheep cheep" at this point...lol




Several mid-high 40's on the last ob, more like a BARK, BARK.
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394. Seastep 8:01 PM GMT on October 19, 2010    
If that CDO persists, TD at least at 5pm.

Last vortex was 17.4N/83.5W. Right under that burst.

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395. Goldenblack 8:01 PM GMT on October 19, 2010    
Just not seeing a great deal of them so far, changing its colors pretty steadily now, so bark on..

Quoting CyclonicVoyage:



Several mid-high 40's on the last ob, more like a BARK, BARK.
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396. Seastep 8:02 PM GMT on October 19, 2010    
They may hold off, though, as it will only have been a couple/few hours of convection over the center.
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397. FtMyersgal 8:04 PM GMT on October 19, 2010    
Quoting Neapolitan:

Sorry the weather can't provide you the stimulation you crave. I suggest you write to Mother Nature immediately and demand a full refund!!!

;-)


LMAO +10
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398. Neapolitan 8:04 PM GMT on October 19, 2010    
Meanwhile, Megi is getting its groove back on; deep convection has wrapped completely around its shrinking eye, and things are beginning to look much more symmetrical. Some portions of the island have been dealing with tropical storm-force winds for nearly 50 hours now:

Click for larger image:

Appropriate tropical weather-related image
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400. BLee2333 8:05 PM GMT on October 19, 2010    
IMO, that whole "Best Windshift" remark leads me to believe that if there's indeed closed circulation, then it's ill defined and difficult to pinpoint. (99L)

If they determine that we do have closed circulation, we just bypassed TD and have Richard...
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401. Ameister12 8:05 PM GMT on October 19, 2010    
Good afternoon!

5 years ago today:

Hurricane Wilma did the unthinkable and became the strongest Atlantic hurricane on record.
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