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Heavy snow collapses Minneapolis Metrodome roof
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 6:22 PM GMT on December 12, 2010 +2
A raging December blizzard buried Minneapolis, Minnesota under 17 inches of snow over the weekend, triggering the collapse early this morning of the air-inflated roof of the Minneapolis Metrodome, home of the Minnesota Vikings football team. The storm roared out of Canada on Friday morning, bringing heavy snow, sustained winds of 25 – 35 mph, and blizzard conditions through Montana, North Dakota, South Dakota, Minnesota, Wisconsin, and Michigan. The heaviest snows occurred near Osceola, Wisconsin, where 23 inches fell. The storm also dumped 21" at Noisy Basin, Montana, 14" in Williston, ND, and 14" in Negaunee, MI. Officially, 17.1” of snow fell at the Minneapolis airport; 16.3” of it on Saturday. Saturday's snow amounted to 1.75” of melted precipitation, for a snow-to-water equivalent ratio of 9:1. For those of you who've ever shoveled snow know, that's a very wet, heavy snow, and its no wonder the roof of the Metrodome had trouble with such a huge weight of snow.


Figure 1. Amount of precipitation for the 24 hours ending at 1am EST Sunday, in melted snow equivalent. Up to two inches of precipitation fell (brown colors) near the Minnesota-Wisconsin border. Image credit: NOAA /NOHRSC.

In the wake of the storm, bitterly cold air from Canada will sweep southwards into the U.S., and high temperatures near 0°F are expected for Minneapolis on Monday. Lows near -30°F are expected in northern Minnesota near International Falls on Monday night. The cold will penetrate into Florida's orange groves Monday night, with lows in the mid-20s expected in Orlando.

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701. greentortuloni 2:39 PM GMT on December 14, 2010    
Quoting cat5hurricane:

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How does GW become $$?
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702. Minnemike 2:41 PM GMT on December 14, 2010    
Quoting greentortuloni:


How does GW become $$?


you know.... the MASSIVE AMOUNTS OF MONEY climate scientists make, a well know top 2% earning demographic... what, you've never seen all their McMansions and fraternizations with political and celebrity elites????
heck, i just spotted Dr. M with Brad Pitt riding elephants down the golden streets from My mcmansion window....
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703. Chicklit 2:43 PM GMT on December 14, 2010    
It is 33 degrees here in ECFL, the sun is out, and it's warming. Have a good day everyone.
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704. PakaSurvivor 2:54 PM GMT on December 14, 2010    
Chicklit 33 in ECFL? Heat Wave compared to the current 21 in Crestview! Seems like the sun is up and we're getting colder!
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705. RipplinH2O 2:56 PM GMT on December 14, 2010    
Actually, there have been some photos posted of Jeff with celebrities but never riding elephants that I can recall...
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706. Orcasystems 2:58 PM GMT on December 14, 2010    
Complete Update






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708. hydrus 3:03 PM GMT on December 14, 2010    
Quoting greentortuloni:


How is the AGW crwod grubbing the money?
Green Tortuloni..How on Earth did you get that handle for the blog. I get a laugh every time I see it..By the way, I think you know how goin with green energy could make some people a lot of money.
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709. Neapolitan 3:05 PM GMT on December 14, 2010    
Quoting calusakat:
Stop being a such shill for the money grubbing AGW crowd you are quickly losing believability.

The "money grubbing AGW crowd". Hmmm.

Profits--not revenue, but profits--for just the five largest oil companies for the years 2000-2008 were $656 billion. During that same span, profits for all renewable / clean / green / alternative energy companies--that is, every one on the planet--were an estimated $47 billion.

Any questions?
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710. Minnemike 3:09 PM GMT on December 14, 2010    
Quoting RipplinH2O:
Actually, there have been some photos posted of Jeff with celebrities but never riding elephants that I can recall...
good thing he is not a climate scientist then, or else my sarcasm would be lost on the secondary, oft missed level. neither am i, nor any single individual who has posted on this blog, for or against the AGW platform.

point being, there are no shills here. just a bunch of people with rampant opinions, and a few supported facts.
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711. hydrus 3:09 PM GMT on December 14, 2010    
Quoting Neapolitan:

The "money grubbing AGW crowd". Hmmm.

Profits--not revenue, but profits--for just the five largest oil companies for the years 2000-2008 were $656 billion. During that same span, profits for all renewable / clean / green / alternative energy companies--that is, every one on the planet--were an estimated $47 billion.

Any questions?
Going green would change the world..And it would make some rich people poor, and some not so well off people rich..And in case you did not know, the Saudis already have billions tied up in to nuclear fusion technology and some of the green energy tech.
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712. greentortuloni 3:25 PM GMT on December 14, 2010    
Quoting hydrus:
Green Tortuloni..How on Earth did you get that handle for the blog. I get a laugh every time I see it..By the way, I think you know how goin with green energy could make some people a lot of money.


Sure, there are lots of ways to make money: the United States (and any other country) could make money by consuming less foreign energy sources, lighter cars mean less road and car repairs, solar panels and micro turbines mean less energy infrastructure, local sources like pellet stoves mean less transportation costs, biking means less health costs, using clotheslines means less HVAC costs, etc.. There are also money to be made investing in new sources. Note that the people doing the research however are not the ones making the profit (as far as i know).

Anyway, you sent me on a search regarding grant money and the best link i found was wikipedia. Points on both sides but best read for yourself.
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713. calusakat 3:28 PM GMT on December 14, 2010    
Quoting Neapolitan:

The "money grubbing AGW crowd". Hmmm.

Profits--not revenue, but profits--for just the five largest oil companies for the years 2000-2008 were $656 billion. During that same span, profits for all renewable / clean / green / alternative energy companies--that is, every one on the planet--were an estimated $47 billion.

Any questions?
Are you really that uneducated about money?

Are you aware that the taxes paid for aid to the poor actually translates to pennies on the dollar by the time it reaches the people for whom it was intended.

Do you actually think that the taxes and money collected for Carbon Offset will even remotely equal what is actually spent. Pennies on the dollar is what it will amount to after middle men galore take their share before it gets to who need it most.

Not to mention the fact that when you compare how long the oil companies have been in existence to the time that the Greenie crowd has captured almost 10 percent in less than eight years. Thats a pretty astounding growth rate by any measure.

And you have the temerity to suggest it is not about the money?

Like I said earlier...stop being a shill for Greenies (not all Greenies, just the AGW Greenies) and their money grubber counter-parts in the AGW crowd.

I am a Greenie who thinks AGW is an out and out lie.

BTW...How does it feel to be labeled as a crackpot like you have done to those who disagree with you? Doesn't feel good, does it? Maybe you should stop.


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715. Minnemike 3:30 PM GMT on December 14, 2010    
Quoting hydrus:
Going green would change the world..And it would make some rich people poor
sure, if one grossly mismanages the abundant wealth they already sit on top of, yeah, diminished profits in the order of millions, or billions, might just send them to the poor house... something tells me not a single person who could suffer from lost profits doesn't already have a spare, let's just say $100,000 to hire someone to manage their remaining millions, or billions, to ensure that it grows into a larger, or at least sustainable fortune. i however, will be struggling to get over 30K a year, gross, for probably the rest of my life. i am a pretty happy fella with much love and support around me. forgive my disgust at the very notion that anyone who is currently rich will be facing, well, my (the poor) house.
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716. PrivateIdaho 3:32 PM GMT on December 14, 2010    
Quoting greentortuloni:


Sure, there are lots of ways to make money: the United States (and any other country) could make money by consuming less foreign energy sources, lighter cars mean less road and car repairs, solar panels and micro turbines mean less energy infrastructure, local sources like pellet stoves mean less transportation costs, biking means less health costs, using clotheslines means less HVAC costs, etc.. There are also money to be made investing in new sources. Note that the people doing the research however are not the ones making the profit (as far as i know).

Anyway, you sent me on a search regarding grant money and the best link i found was wikipedia. Points on both sides but best read for yourself.

To chime in on that point. Grant money, and especially Fed. grant money, that is awarded for research purposes, is tightly controlled and distributed. Scientists that apply for and win these grants don't profit from them other than to perform the research they are interested in.
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718. caneswatch 3:34 PM GMT on December 14, 2010    
It's barely going to break 50 for a high, and it's supposed to fall right back into the 20s tonight (at least where I am), and then right back to the mid 70s on Thursday. Gotta love this pattern.
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719. calusakat 3:35 PM GMT on December 14, 2010    
Quoting PrivateIdaho:

To chime in on that point. Grant money, and especially Fed. grant money, that is awarded for research purposes, is tightly controlled and distributed. Scientists that apply for and win these grants don't profit from them other than to perform the research they are interested in.
Are you suggesting that they don't get to take any of that money home?

Profit and Income there is a wee bit of a difference between the two.


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720. PrivateIdaho 3:37 PM GMT on December 14, 2010    
Quoting Jeff9641:
Great news coming out of C FL as it appears no damage was done to the Citrus Crops. Like I said yesterday the wind will help in keeping temps warmer than forecast. Forecasted low was 23 and I got down to 29.3 degrees at my house. Again we dodged a bullet here in C FL. GREAT NEWS


I'm going to profit from GW by growing citrus here in Idaho although the harvest for next year is looking kinda' bleak...:^(
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721. PrivateIdaho 3:40 PM GMT on December 14, 2010    
Quoting calusakat:
Are you suggesting that they don't get to take any of that money home?

Profit and Income there is a wee bit of a difference between the two.


That is exactly what I am saying. The institution that is employing the researcher may use some of the funding to pay salaries but no extra money is paid to the scientists.
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722. Minnemike 3:42 PM GMT on December 14, 2010    
#713, you claim the AGW platform is all about profiteering by means of disseminating falsehoods in a grand and greedy conspiracy. then, evidence is offered to counter that and you make some sort of retort about taxes, aid to the poor, and carbon offsets???? so after you've twisted and confused your own path of "logic", you then attempt to get back on track with a statement about a significant rise of profits in the green sector...? wow, nice attempt at a genuine scare tactic. it does well to mask Nea's actual figures, and ensures the continuing paranoid delusion that there must be something gone a-rye. kudos to the magnificence of your blinders.
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723. hydrus 3:44 PM GMT on December 14, 2010    
Quoting Minnemike:
sure, if one grossly mismanages the abundant wealth they already sit on top of, yeah, diminished profits in the order of millions, or billions, might just send them to the poor house... something tells me not a single person who could suffer from lost profits doesn't already have a spare, let's just say $100,000 to hire someone to manage their remaining millions, or billions, to ensure that it grows into a larger, or at least sustainable fortune. i however, will be struggling to get over 30K a year, gross, for probably the rest of my life. i am a pretty happy fella with much love and support around me. forgive my disgust at the very notion that anyone who is currently rich will be facing, well, my (the poor) house.
I know exactly where you are coming from. I could talk about the almost infinite possibilities if in fact this became a reality. The oil will run out someday, and oil dependency will become a thing of the past as countries will not be able to afford oil as supplies dwindle. Ultimately the world will be fatigued into compliance with more and more restrictions being put on energy consumption. The others will be forced by shear necessity to find alternative energy sources because oil will be beyond there financial grasp. jmo
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724. caneswatch 3:44 PM GMT on December 14, 2010    
Quoting calusakat:
Are you really that uneducated about money?

Are you aware that the taxes paid for aid to the poor actually translates to pennies on the dollar by the time it reaches the people for whom it was intended.

Do you actually think that the taxes and money collected for Carbon Offset will even remotely equal what is actually spent. Pennies on the dollar is what it will amount to after middle men galore take their share before it gets to who need it most.

Not to mention the fact that when you compare how long the oil companies have been in existence to the time that the Greenie crowd has captured almost 10 percent in less than eight years. Thats a pretty astounding growth rate by any measure.

And you have the temerity to suggest it is not about the money?

Like I said earlier...stop being a shill for Greenies (not all Greenies, just the AGW Greenies) and their money grubber counter-parts in the AGW crowd.

I am a Greenie who thinks AGW is an out and out lie.

BTW...How does it feel to be labeled as a crackpot like you have done to those who disagree with you? Doesn't feel good, does it? Maybe you should stop.




I think you should stop as well.
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725. PrivateIdaho 3:45 PM GMT on December 14, 2010    
Read the regulations associated with some of these funding programs (not recommended for people with a low tolerance for boredom). For example ESTCP, SERDP, or go to the DOE site and look at funding opportunities. All the programs I'm familiar have strict requirements on how awarded money will be spent.
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726. RipplinH2O 3:48 PM GMT on December 14, 2010    
mean while, back at the ranch, while the uneducated masses are pretty much enjoying the booger eating moron name calling contest, we also pretty much put most of this mess on ignore (not WU ignore but real ignore)...
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728. hydrus 3:51 PM GMT on December 14, 2010    
Quoting calusakat:
Are you really that uneducated about money?

Are you aware that the taxes paid for aid to the poor actually translates to pennies on the dollar by the time it reaches the people for whom it was intended.

Do you actually think that the taxes and money collected for Carbon Offset will even remotely equal what is actually spent. Pennies on the dollar is what it will amount to after middle men galore take their share before it gets to who need it most.

Not to mention the fact that when you compare how long the oil companies have been in existence to the time that the Greenie crowd has captured almost 10 percent in less than eight years. Thats a pretty astounding growth rate by any measure.

And you have the temerity to suggest it is not about the money?

Like I said earlier...stop being a shill for Greenies (not all Greenies, just the AGW Greenies) and their money grubber counter-parts in the AGW crowd.

I am a Greenie who thinks AGW is an out and out lie.

BTW...How does it feel to be labeled as a crackpot like you have done to those who disagree with you? Doesn't feel good, does it? Maybe you should stop.


You are correct C.K. And a lot of the problems this country is facing right now has everything to do with money...I believe me when I say to you that some of our hard earned tax dollars are being thrown into the proverbial waste basket..And its pi$$ing me off..
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729. PrivateIdaho 3:56 PM GMT on December 14, 2010    
Quoting hydrus:
You are correct C.K. And a lot of the problems this country is facing right now has everything to do with money...I believe me when I say to you that some of your hard earned tax dollars are being thrown into the proverbial waste basket..And its pi$$ing me off..
Hey I hardly wasted any of your tax dollars yesterday...well I did loiter by the coffee machine and talk football for 20 min. But today it will be a productive day of cow fart research!
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730. Seastep 3:56 PM GMT on December 14, 2010    
Can't stick around as it is a busy day for me, but here's a repost from last night as information.

Just presenting data and information. Some may find it to be a meaningful observation, some may not. It is simply an observation.

There was a jump in temps in 1998.

Simply as a relative number, the most recent IPCC prediction is +0.30C per decade.

From 1979-1997, the trend was about +0.05C per decade. Flat, for all practical purposes.

Then there was a jump.

From 1998-2009, the trend was about -0.03C per decade. Again, flat.

First is the full satellite temp record through 2009 with a trend line and my inserted average temp line (not a trend line) for 1979-1997 and 1998-2009.

That is followed by the 1979-1997 and 1998-2009 temp record separately.





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731. hydrus 3:59 PM GMT on December 14, 2010    
Quoting PrivateIdaho:
Hey I hardly wasted any of your tax dollars yesterday...well I did loiter by the coffee machine and talk football for 20 min. But today it will be a productive day of cow fart research!
I,d hate to be the one appointed to that branch of scientific research...:)
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733. PensacolaDoug 4:05 PM GMT on December 14, 2010    
Quoting Neapolitan:

The "money grubbing AGW crowd". Hmmm.

Profits--not revenue, but profits--for just the five largest oil companies for the years 2000-2008 were $656 billion. During that same span, profits for all renewable / clean / green / alternative energy companies--that is, every one on the planet--were an estimated $47 billion.

Any questions?



Are oil companies allowed to make a profit? If so, how much and at what rate of return is acceptable to you?
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734. PrivateIdaho 4:08 PM GMT on December 14, 2010    
Quoting Seastep:
Can't stick around as it is a busy day for me, but here's a repost from last night as information.

Just presenting data and information. Some may find it to be a meaningful observation, some may not. It is simply an observation.

There was a jump in temps in 1998.

Simply as a relative number, the most recent IPCC prediction is +0.30C per decade.

From 1979-1997, the trend was about +0.05C per decade. Flat, for all practical purposes.

Then there was a jump.

From 1998-2009, the trend was about -0.03C per decade. Again, flat.

First is the full satellite temp record through 2009 with a trend line and my inserted average temp line (not a trend line) for 1979-1997 and 1998-2009.

That is followed by the 1979-1997 and 1998-2009 temp record separately.





I'd like to see the standard deviations associated with those data.
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735. TampaTom 4:10 PM GMT on December 14, 2010    
Just for giggles...

Why not push ahead on home-grown technologies as alternative energy sources so we don't have to station young men and women in politically unstable kingdoms in the Middle East where human rights violations are the norm?

How much does it cost every day to keep one carrier group on station in the Persian Gulf? What is one soldier/sailor/Marine/airman's life worth?

I'm in favor of getting out from under the thumb of these petty potentates...
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736. hurricanejunky 4:13 PM GMT on December 14, 2010    
Here in North Fort Myers, FL we got down to 30 even this morning. Power went out around 7am for 20 mins then came back on only to go off again at 7:50am and was off when I left for work. Too many thin bloods running the heat! The house was only 68 so our heat never kicked on. Good thing for the electric bill! Frost on the lawn and windshield...dead grass for a few weeks now. UGH! At least it's cold for the holidays, which is a welcome departure from the usual balmy temps this time of year. Hope everyone is having a good one thus far...
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737. Minnemike 4:15 PM GMT on December 14, 2010    
Quoting RipplinH2O:
mean while, back at the ranch, while the uneducated masses are pretty much enjoying the booger eating moron name calling contest, we also pretty much put most of this mess on ignore (not WU ignore but real ignore)...
well then, i guess you won't be seeing this entry, as i can surely take a hint. i guess it's good you don't give up on people like i do, nor would you reciprocate the hurling of dung as i have. we need more folks out there like your self, but we also need some balancing of other 'forces' as well, imo. so, may we each excel in the role we wish to play. putting a user on the ignore list is a wise choice for any of you bloggers on here!!
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738. PrivateIdaho 4:17 PM GMT on December 14, 2010    
Quoting TampaTom:
Just for giggles...

Why not push ahead on home-grown technologies as alternative energy sources so we don't have to station young men and women in politically unstable kingdoms in the Middle East where human rights violations are the norm?

How much does it cost every day to keep one carrier group on station in the Persian Gulf? What is one soldier/sailor/Marine/airman's life worth?

I'm in favor of getting out from under the thumb of these petty potentates...
Good post Tom! You would think those would be points everyone could agree on.

When did development of new technologies become a bad thing? Why not become the leader in alternative energy? This country has always been a leader in technological innovation and it has served us well. Why are thing different now?
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739. Neapolitan 4:20 PM GMT on December 14, 2010    
Quoting PensacolaDoug:



Are oil companies allowed to make a profit? If so, how much and at what rate of return is acceptable to you?

Of course they are. But that wasn't the point. The point was this: before anyone tries to "prove" that AGW adherents are "money grubbers" (and, thus, the AGW theory is false), they might want to consider that profits for the fossil fuel industry are quite literally dozens of times larger than those for the renewable energy industry. If there's any "grubbing" going on, then, it appears to be somewhat lopsided, no?
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740. PakaSurvivor 4:20 PM GMT on December 14, 2010    
Out here in the Florida Boonies, Crestview is now at 31 deg... Oops, just dropped to 30. Oh how I miss summer! : (
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741. hurricanejunky 4:22 PM GMT on December 14, 2010    
Quoting Neapolitan:

The "money grubbing AGW crowd". Hmmm.

Profits--not revenue, but profits--for just the five largest oil companies for the years 2000-2008 were $656 billion. During that same span, profits for all renewable / clean / green / alternative energy companies--that is, every one on the planet--were an estimated $47 billion.

Any questions?


Don't start complicating things with all those numbers and statistics. Facts don't fit in the conversation. I think a bunch of eyes just glossed over. You really think you'll get thru THIS time? It hasn't worked the other 3,472 times, what makes you think those thick skulls are penetrable?

Anyone who cares about the environment is money grubbing but anyone who likes to pollute isn't. It makes total sense, doesn't it? LOL!
It's a laughable debate that I can't stomach. You can't argue with lead bricks.

Keep going brother! Hopefully someday people will become rational...
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742. PrivateIdaho 4:22 PM GMT on December 14, 2010    
Quoting PakaSurvivor:
Out here in the Florida Boonies, Crestview is now at 31 deg... Oops, just dropped to 30. Oh how I miss summer! : (
lol...32 here.
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743. Neapolitan 4:23 PM GMT on December 14, 2010    
Quoting calusakat:
Are you really that uneducated about money?

Are you aware that the taxes paid for aid to the poor actually translates to pennies on the dollar by the time it reaches the people for whom it was intended.

Do you actually think that the taxes and money collected for Carbon Offset will even remotely equal what is actually spent. Pennies on the dollar is what it will amount to after middle men galore take their share before it gets to who need it most.

Not to mention the fact that when you compare how long the oil companies have been in existence to the time that the Greenie crowd has captured almost 10 percent in less than eight years. Thats a pretty astounding growth rate by any measure.

And you have the temerity to suggest it is not about the money?

Like I said earlier...stop being a shill for Greenies (not all Greenies, just the AGW Greenies) and their money grubber counter-parts in the AGW crowd.

I am a Greenie who thinks AGW is an out and out lie.

BTW...How does it feel to be labeled as a crackpot like you have done to those who disagree with you? Doesn't feel good, does it? Maybe you should stop.



I guess what I should stop is spending any more time on you; the way you keep moving the "point" of the conversation makes it hard to keep up with you. To summarize: you accused the "AGW crowd" of being money grubbers, but when I provided numbers to show that just the top five oil companies in the world have made ten times as much profit in the past eight years as all renewable energy companies combined, you responded with a complaint about tax aid to the poor.

Huh?

At any rate, if those in the anti-science crowd choose to label me a "crackpot", I know I'm on the right track. So, you know, thanks for further validating my beliefs. ;-)
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744. hurricanejunky 4:24 PM GMT on December 14, 2010    
Quoting PrivateIdaho:
Hey I hardly wasted any of your tax dollars yesterday...well I did loiter by the coffee machine and talk football for 20 min. But today it will be a productive day of cow fart research!


Hey PI, how have you been? It's OK as long as it's sports talk. No problem there...
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745. PrivateIdaho 4:27 PM GMT on December 14, 2010    
Quoting hurricanejunky:


Hey PI, how have you been? It's OK as long as it's sports talk. No problem there...
Things are good now that I sent all the cold weather to FL. We have had record highs in the upper 40s-low 50s last few days....Got a storm coming through today though.
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746. caneswatch 4:29 PM GMT on December 14, 2010    
Quoting hurricanejunky:


Don't start complicating things with all those numbers and statistics. Facts don't fit in the conversation. I think a bunch of eyes just glossed over. You really think you'll get thru THIS time? It hasn't worked the other 3,472 times, what makes you think those thick skulls are penetrable?

Anyone who cares about the environment is money grubbing but anyone who likes to pollute isn't. It makes total sense, doesn't it? LOL!
It's a laughable debate that I can't stomach. You can't argue with lead bricks.

Keep going brother! Hopefully someday people will become rational...


Makes no sense at all what you said. Explain how greenies are greedy while those who pollute aren't?
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747. mara0921 4:30 PM GMT on December 14, 2010    
I knew it was bad when I turned on Channel 7 news in Miami this morning and they show the big thermometor on Lincoln Road showing 35 degrees. I immediately do outside ( after 5 minutes of dressing ) and my thermometor reads 31 degrees and my car and all the other cars are covered in frost and the grass is crunchy from the the sprinklers overnight, and Im in Fort Lauderdale
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748. unf97 4:45 PM GMT on December 14, 2010    
Good morning to all on the WU blog!!

I had a low temperature this morning of 20.3 degrees registered on my thermometer, the coldest of the season thus far.

The National Weather Service office at Jacksonville International Airport, about five miles from where I live, confirmed 20 degrees also this morning to establish a new record low temperature for this date, breaking the old mark of 24 degrees set back in 1960.

A very impressive arctic airmass to say the least. Currently as we approach the 12 noon hour, it has only warmed to 36.6 degrees. Dewpoint temperatures are in the single digits currently. Wow! Don't see that too often down here that's for sure.

Winds will get lighter as the day progresses as the cold arctic dome of High pressure settles in closer on top of the SE US region. This will set the stage for prime radiational cooling conditions tonight and the mercury is going to drop like a rock in most areas. I expect the coldest readings in most places by sunrise tomorrow morning, even more colder than this morning. Temps should drop down into the teens in my area of Jax, as well as the other interior portions of North Florida.

Central Florida looks to have temps possibly into the low-mid 20s in the colder regions in that part of the state, and it looks as though the freezing line is going to drop down all the way to the Alligator Alley corridor in the Everglades. A very impressive cold air mass indeed.

The warm-up commences beginning Thursday into Saturday for the peninsula as we get the flow to veer back to the south-southwest ahead of the next cold front due to arrive across the state on Sunday. It appears that the models are showing that although it will be turning colder again on Sunday, this next cold air mass coming will not be nearly as severe as this current cold outbreak.
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749. Minnemike 4:47 PM GMT on December 14, 2010    
Seastep... why do you keep breaking time at 1998????? the earth did not end in '97, reform, and begin again in '98. let us suppose that in one week, from a Sun-Sat, temps in one place were chronologically 45, 55, 95, 70, 75, 85, 90, has not the week gotten warmer from the first day to the last?

what happened to data in 1998 that we should throw out the connection to any year before it? also, start in 1999 and work through 2009 data, is there not a warming trend? do you know what outlier means in statistics, and how to treat it?

climate science is not about what happens discretely from one year to the next; it is about trends. when discussing trends, discrete values need to be combined wherever possible. you are mistakenly isolating 1998 to make a point that the globe has cooled since then. *it hasn't cooled according to the data you yourself posted, which i cite here http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs/Fig.C.lrg.gif

this is why you were accused of cherry picking. for my imaginary week of example temps, there were two days prior to the hottest day of the week, so in that sample, one would state the week progressively warmed from start to finish. only when throwing out the first two days would one be able to say the week cooled. still, even from that point when 4 out of 5 days experience warming from one to the next, even a layman should be able to see that cooling is not the trend there.

you really need to stop breaking time in half at '98 so that you can understand the reason why people state there has been continued warming since then. if, and only if, time began at the hottest measurement in '98 would you come close to accuracy. however, just like my made up example, you still have to deal with the fact that the period following that outlier year also indicates a warming trend.
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750. lightningbolt73 4:48 PM GMT on December 14, 2010    
Good morning all! I don't know if it got down to freezing in Sarasota, Florida this morning. I hear its going to be 76 here on Friday. That will be sweet!
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751. Minnemike 4:48 PM GMT on December 14, 2010    
Quoting caneswatch:


Makes no sense at all what you said. Explain how greenies are greedy while those who pollute aren't?
sarcasm should explain it.
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