Dr. Jeff Masters' WunderBlog

Quoting DoverWxwatchter:
60s in Denver!  Not cold everywhere :)

Adiabatic heating on the front range?

Official record low, per the NWS, for West Palm Beach on December 14 is 33 set in 1962.

in Orlando they have me at 22 with windchills in the low teens!

Quoting DoverWxwatchter:
Taking it out by 10 degrees would be impressive.� Do you think it will really get to 23 there tonight like the NWS has it?

I don't think the all-time record low will be broken. These temps. are really amazing, since it's not even officially winter yet.

Defuniak Springs,FL....forecast low tomorrow morning of 18.

Right now...36.5 outside my window.

Quoting DoverWxwatchter:
I wonder if that 23 forecast for West Palm Beach is a typo and it's supposed to be 32.  I can't see how it could get to 23 down there without Jacksonville and Tallahassee getting to the single digits, which is not going to happen tonight.

I agree, I think its a type also, because the NWS has Brooksville with a low around 21, and Brooksville is consistently one of coldest reporting sites in north central Florida.

I could see West Palm getting down to 29 or 30 at most, but I don't see how any lower is possible.

The modern day all time records at PBIA are 27 in January 1977 and 28 in the Christmas freeze of 1989. Both of these events had extremely cold readings in Northern Florida and the whole east coast. Those temperatures are not occurring to our north, therefore I can't see it going below 30-32 in WPB.

Quoting Neapolitan:

No, it hasn't. You can keep saying it over and over and over and over again and wishing it to be true, but it's not. You can cherry pick, fantasize, fabricate, and obfuscate all you'd like until you've convinced yourself, in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary, that the planet is no longer warming, but that doesn't make it so. We're having a scientific discussion here; it would really help us maintain an elevated tone of discourse if you'd kindly stick to actual scientific fact.

Please.

You are having a scientific discussion???

You have got to be kidding...

To quote you...from an earlier post.

"It's hot, and getting hotter. The only doubt about that is among those Luddites and Flat Earthers who refuse to believe anything scientists tell them, or professional corporate shills trying to sell an agenda."

Name calling is your idea of SCIENTIFIC ???

Get a grip.

Shame on you.

Earthquake 'swarm' rattles Arkansas town and its residents

Down to 35.8 at my location.

50.2 right now at my house.

Quoting FLWaterFront:


It is true that nothing exists in a vacuum. And I also agree that it is inevitable that politics will enter into the debate. I did not mean to suggest that the failure of science to nail down the details nullifies science from the debate.

What I have noticed however is that it is politics which has dominated the debate over the past two decades or so. And as such, this has, in my opinion, corrupted the science, to some degree.

In this era, politics inevitably means money, which is why I also mentioned that there is an economic component to all of this. When the weight of the debate is on one side, either deservingly so or otherwise, this will inevitably mean that the money is going to go in the same direction. And that, in short is what threatens to corrupt objective scientific analysis.

If for example, one is a scientist and studying the climate, one must think carefully before openly hypothesizing one way or another, if in fact it is clear that research dollars in the form of government-backed grants are weighted on one side of the issue or the other. And since a great many scientists in fact depend on research grant money, this does corrupt the overall research process. And that is just one example to highlight my point about politics and science when it comes to the study of climate change.

Talk about shining the light of truth on a subject.

Alas, most of the AGW crowd wears dark sunglasses.

Regardless,your observations were well put and to the point. Thanks.

Quoting GeoffreyWPB:
50.2 right now at my house.

51.4 at 6:41 PM EST

NWS graphical for West Palm Beach has 25. Matches with the model color. Just North of there in Melbourne we're forecast to go to 25, with much of the coast (excluding islands) in the mid 20s for ECFL.

Errr not liking this cold weather,with all the ice that was around this morning(including snow)Sadly the snow has melted due to it being a thin coat of it.(Darn you sunshine!!)And the cold will be sticking around through the week,with a possible but slim chance at this point of a snow storm sunday.

Hi y'all! Current Conditions
KI4FIA - Daytona Beach (Ponce Inlet), FL, Daytona Beach, Florida (PWS)
Updated: 1 sec ago
40.0 °F
Clear
Windchill: 37 °F
Humidity: 71%
Dew Point: 31 °F
Wind: 1.0 mphfrom the WSW
Wind Gust: 5.0 mph

Quoting JFLORIDA:
I mean claiming that climate scientists are not using scientific process, are part of some political conspiracy then not having any real information to back it up just seems a bit odd.

Is that how decisions should be made now?

I like to call it wishful thinking.

Shuffle off to Buffalo? I don't think so...
Town of Tonawanda Water, Buffalo, New York (PWS)
Updated: 5 sec ago
11.7 °F
Light Snow Mist
Windchill: -1 °F
Humidity: 95%
Dew Point: 10 °F
Wind: 9.0 mphfrom the East

Quoting KoritheMan:


I like to call it wishful thinking.

That's putting it politely.
How about a steamin' heap of you know what?

Quoting Chicklit:

That's putting it politely.
How about a steamin' heap of you know what?

That works too.

Quoting KoritheMan:


That works too.

Think I'd better go back to my book on Emotional Intelligence now. :)

Proven fact: 2 shots of hot sake will raise the ambient temperature of any room to a most comfortable level...

Quoting presslord:
Proven fact: 2 shots of hot sake will raise the ambient temperature of any room to a most comfortable level...

Actually alcohol makes you feel colder.

Rain and sandstorms that battered Egypt over the weekend have killed at least 31 people, said officials, adding the toll could rise as rescue workers were still sifting through two collapsed buildings.

Quoting atmoaggie:
Here is a truthful comment about that format of "Global Surface Temperature anomaly" mapping: That makes the area of extreme positive temperature anomaly appear huge..."appear" being the operative word. Mercator, and the like, are terrible for polar region examination.

Not to mention the assumption that temp obs at Arctic airports is representative of the entire region.

Non sequitur Atmo.

AGW discussion and I'm still not in it!

Quoting Chicklit:

Think I'd better go back to my book on Emotional Intelligence now. :)

;)

Quoting GeoffreyWPB:


Actually alcohol makes you feel colder.

my mind is made up...please don't confuse me with facts...

Quoting FLWaterFront:
Both the left and the right claim that the science is on their side. Both of them also claim that the other side is subverting the science.

One shouldn't fall prey to the subtle lie of false equivalency: as the two sides are nearly diametrically opposed to one another, it stands to reason that only one side is telling the truth. And, unfortunately for contrarians, that side is firmly with those who adhere to the theory of AGW.

Quoting FLWaterFront:
But more recently, new data have come in which suggests that this long-held position is not as solid as previously thought. And more and more climate scientists are now speaking out and dissenting with the so-called consensus.

What "new data"? There are virtually no verified and verifiable new bits of data that do not further support and bolster the AGW theory. And which "more and more" climate scientists? The number of climate scientists who are convinced of the correctness of the AGW theory continues to rise.

Quoting FLWaterFront:
The political right points this out continuously and claims that it proves that AGW is a hoax. The political left either says that such claims do not exist and such scientists are imaginary and don't exist or they are just rogues who are refusing the get with the program, like the "flat earthers" of another era.

We AGW theorists don't say that contrarian arguments don't exist; we just continue to point out that the vast bulk of them are factually untrue.

Quoting FLWaterFront:
But the truth is that arguments are strong on both sides.

Again, you seem to have fallen prey to the siren song of false equivalency. While many deniers do make the most noise, a higher decibel level from one party doesn't necessarily equate to making a better case. The fact is, arguments are not strong on both sides. To use the "Flat Earther" analogy: it's as though one side is providing satellite imagery and computer models and Great Circle measurements and similar-body analogies as evidence that our planet is spherical, while the other side says that the disappearance of ships as they near the horizon is evidence that our planet is flat--and a third party looks on and says, "Gee, arguments are strong on both sides."

Ummm--no. ;-)

Apologies for the long-windedness.

Where are you Grothar?

47 at my house now.

Quoting pottery:

OMG, where's the dramamine.

Quoting GeoffreyWPB:
Imagine this: 19 degrees.

That, according to the National Weather Service, is what it will feel like when you walk out your door early Tuesday morning in Palm Beach.

Lawrenceville-Vincennes Intl Airport
Lat: 38.76 Lon: -87.6 Elev: 430
Last Update on Dec 13, 6:53 pm CST

Fair

11 °F
(-12 °C)
Humidity: 70 %
Wind Speed: NW 12 MPH
Barometer: 30.23" (1024.7 mb)
Dewpoint: 3 °F (-16 °C)
Wind Chill: -3 °F (-19 °C)
Visibility: 10.00 mi.