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Tropical Depression Two forms from Invest 98L
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 9:33 PM GMT on July 17, 2011 +0
Tropical Depression Two (TD2) formed from Invest 98L this afternoon. Hurricane Hunters flew into the suspect area and found a surface circulation north of the Bahamas, with maximum sustained winds of 35 mph. They also determined the system had become warm core—a characteristic that must be present in order to declare a tropical cyclone. Satellite imagery continues to show the system is becoming more organized with a stronger circulation. Wind shear is forecast to remain favorable for the system until Tuesday or Wednesday when higher shear will slide in from the north. Sea surface temperatures are warm enough to sustain a tropical storm.


Figure 1. Satellite imagery of Tropical Depression Two in the Atlantic, east of Florida. This graphic will update to the current satellite imagery.


Figure 2. Official 5-day forecast for Tropical Depression Two. This graphic will remain current.

Forecast for TD2

The models are coming into better agreement as TD2 has become more organized. In terms of dynamical forecast models, the HWRF and GFS both forecast TD2 to max out just above tropical storm strenth. HWRF intensifies TD2 to around 47 mph in the next 24 hours, whereas GFS is a bit slower to bring the system up to tropical storm status. Two statistical models, the DSHP (SHIPS model that includes land interaction) and the LGEM (Logistical Growth Equation Model) both intensify TD2 to a moderate tropical storm over the next 2-3 days.

There tends to be a lot of uncertainty involved with tropical cyclones that form under these circumstances, but our forecast remains in line with the National Hurricane Center and the reliable forecast models. TD2 will move slowly to the northeast in weak steering currents over the next few days before eventually becoming an extratropical storm. There is minimal chance that this system will cross over Florida into the Gulf of Mexico. Timing and path depend heavily on how intense the cyclone gets, as Jeff mentioned in his blog earlier today. A weaker storm will tend to stay south, whereas a stronger storm will grow taller in the atmosphere and winds at higher levels will influence it and steer it northeast.

None of the reliable models predict tropical cyclone development over the remainder of the Atlantic through July 23.

Angela
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351. nrtiwlnvragn 12:12 AM GMT on July 18, 2011    
18Z HWRF 90 hrs



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352. weathermanwannabe 12:12 AM GMT on July 18, 2011    
Quoting coastaltugcaptain:
As long as it is relevant and as long as I keep internet signal, I will try and post another update at 2300 tonight and another by 0700 tomorrow off Cape Canaveral. I really hope it tracks to the ENE. I live in coastal NC. I don’t want it going there either.


Bret looks quite ragged to me at the moment and embedded, again, in the frontal boundry it separated from yesterday so I am thinking it will continue to be swept out to the NE per the current NHC track....God Speed to You and Follow NHC as the Official source as you know........ :)
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353. GeoffreyWPB 12:13 AM GMT on July 18, 2011    
Anyone still think of a Fla. east coast crossing?
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354. KoritheMan 12:13 AM GMT on July 18, 2011    
Quoting NavarreMark:
The rain has finally stopped in Navarre FL. The Trash Can Rain Guage shows that 13.5 inches of rain were received in the last 48 hours.

Cooled things off nicely too. The highest tempature I've recorded today was 76. Thats rare for this time of year.

The system that caused this is slowly moving west through the N GOM. Patrap will feel the effects soon, if he hasn't already.

I'm wonderin if this system will have a cooling effect on the SSTs in the N GOM. That could make a difference later on this season, if a monster were to be unleashed in the GOM.


Any upwelling caused by that system will be transient at best. It takes a lot more than that to appreciably cool off SSTs.
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355. FrankZapper 12:13 AM GMT on July 18, 2011    
Quoting Guaricandilla2011:
Arlene, a Mexico digger, Bret, a fisher, good God, this trend cannot continue for the remainder of the season, and God willing, it shall not.
Dr Guari, I hope that your country is spared this year. Are you in a drought like your friends in the USA are?
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357. weathermanwannabe 12:14 AM GMT on July 18, 2011    
Quoting aquak9:


Isn't it nice? about 4 years ago, maybe five, we used to have a poster who was a helo pilot, who told us when they started evac'ing the rigs in the gulf, and which ones they evac'd. He was part of the flight crew who carried the workers back to land.

It IS really nice to have real folks posting stuff like that.


I remember that Dude.....Ahh, the good old days on the Blog.... :)
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358. KoritheMan 12:15 AM GMT on July 18, 2011    
Quoting FrankZapper:
Dr Guari, I hope that your country is spared this year. Are you in a drought like your friends in the USA are?


Uh, you do realize that's JFV... right?
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359. ncstorm 12:15 AM GMT on July 18, 2011    
Quoting nrtiwlnvragn:
18Z HWRF 90 hrs





thats pretty close to NC..I find it funny that they are going with the ECWMF guidance when the HWRF and GFDL had this as a TS first?
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360. xcool 12:16 AM GMT on July 18, 2011    
bad call
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362. nrtiwlnvragn 12:18 AM GMT on July 18, 2011    
18Z


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363. Patrap 12:19 AM GMT on July 18, 2011    
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364. FrankZapper 12:20 AM GMT on July 18, 2011    
Quoting KoritheMan:


Uh, you do realize that's JFV... right?
He said he's Cuban (wink) Our only? blogger from there.
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365. weathermanwannabe 12:21 AM GMT on July 18, 2011    
Quoting xcool:
bad call


I cannot second guess the call from NHC, as I am sure they had data this afternoon to call a tropical storm based on wind speeds, but looking at this rapid deterioration at the moment, I am thinking we just wasted a "name" on this one...........
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367. weatherxtreme 12:25 AM GMT on July 18, 2011    
Quoting jasonweatherman2011:
i think at 11pm its will go back to a Tropical Depression


It does look to be more ragged at the moment, could be shear or Dmin.
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368. TXHolly 12:26 AM GMT on July 18, 2011    
Ok. I'm confused. Pretty much all of the models show Bret moving out to sea. But when I look at the radar, it looks like it's moving almost the direct opposite direction. It really looks like it wants to cross FL and into the GOM. Can someone explain this to me?
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369. coastaltugcaptain 12:28 AM GMT on July 18, 2011    
Thanks to all you who are keeping your eyes on the weather. I have been at sea most of my life but I am not a weatherman. I take the info a weatherman gives me and make decisions based from there. I did suspect a disturbance from the persistent easterly swells but a suspicion was all it was. Anything I can do to help you will ultimately help me.

Thanks again.

P.S. If any of you use vessel tracking services, I am on the tug “East Coast” (not very imaginative is it?) with the barge “Penn 410”. I can also tell you, the majority of the mariners get there weather from this site. Thanks again.
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370. FrankZapper 12:28 AM GMT on July 18, 2011    
Quoting jasonweatherman2011:
i think at 11pm its will go back to a Tropical Depression
JasonX, I was thinking the same thing. It's not impressive at all.
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371. VirgilSolozzo 12:29 AM GMT on July 18, 2011    
There's a freshening 10kt wind over most of SEFL.
It looks like Bret has picked up some moisture tap running in a band south of Miami that's providing extra oomph from both the Everglades warm waters and extending into the Gulf. I'd like to see Bret get away a bit further east before it gets pinched and starts doing leaup-de-leauxs.
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372. MrstormX 12:30 AM GMT on July 18, 2011    
Quoting jasonweatherman2011:
i think at 11pm its will go back to a Tropical Depression


And I say it stays a TS.
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373. sunlinepr 12:30 AM GMT on July 18, 2011    
Contrary to Previous waves from Africa, this one looks that has enough convection to hold together





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374. NCCANE 12:30 AM GMT on July 18, 2011    
Again.. does anyone know the effect that the proximity to land has on the track of a T.S or Hurricane!
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375. PSLFLCaneVet 12:31 AM GMT on July 18, 2011    
Quoting GeoffreyWPB:
Anyone still think of a Fla. east coast crossing?


Good evening, Geoffrey. :)

I'm thinking, no.

It's very pleasant outside, tonight, but I don't see a westerly motion happening. It has been interesting, watching the wind shift and the clouds reacting to the low center spinning up.
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376. GeoffreyWPB 12:31 AM GMT on July 18, 2011    
Quoting TXHolly:
Ok. I'm confused. Pretty much all of the models show Bret moving out to sea. But when I look at the radar, it looks like it's moving almost the direct opposite direction. It really looks like it wants to cross FL and into the GOM. Can someone explain this to me?


Not at all. No westerly componet at all. Bret will not enter the GOM.
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377. blsealevel 12:31 AM GMT on July 18, 2011    
Quoting weathermanwannabe:


I remember that Dude.....Ahh, the good old days on the Blog.... :)


Me to hope we can get some more info like that this year.

coastaltugcaptain good to have you on and hope to hear from you again have a nice trip.
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378. weatherxtreme 12:31 AM GMT on July 18, 2011    
Quoting coastaltugcaptain:
Thanks to all you who are keeping your eyes on the weather. I have been at sea most of my life but I am not a weatherman. I take the info a weatherman gives me and make decisions based from there. I did suspect a disturbance from the persistent easterly swells but a suspicion was all it was. Anything I can do to help you will ultimately help me.

Thanks again.

P.S. If any of you use vessel tracking services, I am on the tug “East Coast” (not very imaginative is it?) with the barge “Penn 410”. I can also tell you, the majority of the mariners get there weather from this site. Thanks again.


Coastal,

Stay safe out there and check frequently for updates.
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379. sunlinepr 12:32 AM GMT on July 18, 2011    
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380. GeoffreyWPB 12:34 AM GMT on July 18, 2011    
Quoting PSLFLCaneVet:


Good evening, Geoffrey. :)

I'm thinking, no.

It's very pleasant outside, tonight, but I don't see a westerly motion happening. It has been interesting, watching the wind shift and the clouds reacting to the low center spinning up.


Hi CaneVet...We might some good rains tomorrow, but that will be it.
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381. MrstormX 12:34 AM GMT on July 18, 2011    
I'm starting to think the Bahamas might get a landfall if this goes any farther South.
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382. wolftribe2009 12:36 AM GMT on July 18, 2011    
Quoting Guaricandilla2011:
Arlene, a Mexico digger, Bret, a fisher, good God, this trend cannot continue for the remainder of the season, and God willing, it shall not.


Don't count Bret out just yet. He might head towards the Carolinas or Florida.
Quoting weathermanwannabe:


I cannot second guess the call from NHC, as I am sure they had data this afternoon to call a tropical storm based on wind speeds, but looking at this rapid deterioration at the moment, I am thinking we just wasted a "name" on this one...........


This is what I was saying too. I stated that I have been on this system's band wagon since last week but that the upgrade to a TS seemed to be a bit early to me. Now that doesn't mean that I didn't think that it would NOT become a TS but thought it would probably more likely be a bit later.

Yet this will all play into my June/July Forecast of 3-5 storms. One more for July and we will have the 3. I still am sticking to my forecasted 3 storms for this month. I think we might get them towards the end of the month.
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383. stormwatcherCI 12:36 AM GMT on July 18, 2011    
Quoting coastaltugcaptain:
Thanks to all you who are keeping your eyes on the weather. I have been at sea most of my life but I am not a weatherman. I take the info a weatherman gives me and make decisions based from there. I did suspect a disturbance from the persistent easterly swells but a suspicion was all it was. Anything I can do to help you will ultimately help me.

Thanks again.

P.S. If any of you use vessel tracking services, I am on the tug “East Coast” (not very imaginative is it?) with the barge “Penn 410”. I can also tell you, the majority of the mariners get there weather from this site. Thanks again.
If you are getting your weather info there are several very good people on here to take heed of. Levi32, Drakoen, CCHS to name a few. Sorry to those I did not mention but it's not coming to me at the moment. I know and they know who they are. Your observations are appreciated. I have an acquaintance who lives on the island most of the time who is also a tug captain but I think out of NJ. Safe trip.
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384. CaneHunter031472 12:36 AM GMT on July 18, 2011    
Bret might not look too impressive on IR but there is still circulation when observed on Water Vapor. Ther ridge is whe is pushing it to the SE, and in my opinion as the Ridge keeps on pushing the chances of bret turning towards Florida in a westward motion is unlikely. My take is that it will eventually start moving to the NE as predicted by most of the models.
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385. bappit 12:37 AM GMT on July 18, 2011    
Quoting aquak9:
The models did not have a GOOD starting point yesterday, last night, early today. The models are just computer runs, ok? I mean they are good, but they are only math, expressed visually.
As more accurate info becomes available (yes, from recon aka TheHurricaneHunters), then the MATH going into the computer gets better, and the results become more accurate.

Very simplified, yes.

Well said. Also, as Angela pointed out earlier, some of the ensemble members were showing development. It suggests that things had to come together just right for development to occur, and given the shear going on it is not clear that conditions are completely favorable for development even with a "B" name hung on it.
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386. wolftribe2009 12:37 AM GMT on July 18, 2011    
Quoting GeoffreyWPB:
Anyone still think of a Fla. east coast crossing?


I have my eye on it. I wouldn't be surprised if it crosses near Miami. I think this because I believe we are working with a weaker system.
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387. MrstormX 12:39 AM GMT on July 18, 2011    
Anybody else wondering why there is no TS Warning in the Bahamas, it seriously looks like it might scrape a landfall there.
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388. emcf30 12:39 AM GMT on July 18, 2011    
Quoting coastaltugcaptain:
Thanks to all you who are keeping your eyes on the weather. I have been at sea most of my life but I am not a weatherman. I take the info a weatherman gives me and make decisions based from there. I did suspect a disturbance from the persistent easterly swells but a suspicion was all it was. Anything I can do to help you will ultimately help me.

Thanks again.

P.S. If any of you use vessel tracking services, I am on the tug “East Coast” (not very imaginative is it?) with the barge “Penn 410”. I can also tell you, the majority of the mariners get there weather from this site. Thanks again.


Thanks for your upgate you gave earlier Tug. I am going to start to monitor your vessel. Good to have you aboard. Be Safe
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389. MississippiWx 12:39 AM GMT on July 18, 2011    
I think the best thing about TS Bret forming is the way it made The Weather Channel look stupid. Gave it no chance of forming earlier because no models supported it. That's forecasting at it's finest...

Oh, good evening, everyone!
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390. PSLFLCaneVet 12:39 AM GMT on July 18, 2011    
Quoting GeoffreyWPB:


Hi CaneVet...We might some good rains tomorrow, but that will be it.


I hope so, they'll be most welcome, for any of us in FL.
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391. sunlinepr 12:41 AM GMT on July 18, 2011    
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392. ProgressivePulse 12:41 AM GMT on July 18, 2011    
It would appear to me that the outflow from the Tstorm complex over the peninsula did a number on Bret. Looking at satellite you can see a definite eastward deflection of Bret and a breakdown of what little convection there was in the Western Semi as a result.
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393. MrstormX 12:41 AM GMT on July 18, 2011    
Quoting MississippiWx:
I think the best thing about TS Bret forming is the way it made The Weather Channel look stupid. Gave it no chance of forming earlier because no models supported it. That's forecasting at it's finest...

Oh, good evening, everyone!


+1,000,000,000
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394. nrtiwlnvragn 12:41 AM GMT on July 18, 2011    
Quoting NCCANE:
Again.. does anyone know the effect that the proximity to land has on the track of a T.S or Hurricane!


scholar.google.com is your friend. Here is one paper:

Link
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395. BahaHurican 12:42 AM GMT on July 18, 2011    
The blog didn't go wild at 8 p.m.??? lol

Most recent from NASA...

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396. emcf30 12:44 AM GMT on July 18, 2011    
Hey Tug is this you



Type of ship: Tug
IMO Number: 8201090 Flag: United States of America
MMSI Number: 367185680 Length: 30.0m
Callsign: WBI4636 Beam: 10.0m
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397. wolftribe2009 12:44 AM GMT on July 18, 2011    
Dry Air trying to invade it from the North West

Link
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398. sunlinepr 12:45 AM GMT on July 18, 2011    
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399. weatherxtreme 12:45 AM GMT on July 18, 2011    
Quoting BahaHurican:
The blog didn't go wild at 8 p.m.??? lol

Most recent from NASA...



I agree was just thinking that the blog has slowed up quite a bit once the models started looking more like an out to sea storm and now it's looking a little more on the ragged side.
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400. Dirtleg 12:46 AM GMT on July 18, 2011    
Now now boys...we all know that Janiel Francisco Vargas is from Hialeah... Don't tarnish the good name of Cuba!
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401. MrstormX 12:46 AM GMT on July 18, 2011    
If anything this blog has died after the formation of Bret, guess everybody is sad it isn't going to hit Miami.
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