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Tropical Storm Emily remains weak with roadblocks ahead
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 6:14 PM GMT on August 02, 2011 +20
Tropical Storm Emily took a moment to pause this morning, with no forward motion to speak of in the 11am EDT advisory from the National Hurricane Center, who say Emily might have been reorganizing. Emily eventually picked up some speed, and was moving west at 12 mph with maximum sustained winds of 45 mph in the 2pm EDT advisory. Satellite loops suggest that the storm has improved since yesterday, with strong thunderstorm activity surrounding the center of circulation accompanied by moderately strong outflow at higher levels. Recent satellite estimates of circulation show some consolidation at low levels (850mb), but weak circulation at higher levels (500mb). Despite the organized presentation on satellite, Hurricane Hunters found a generally disorganized storm this morning, with multiple potential centers. The lowest pressure that the Hunters found was 1007mb. Wind shear remains strong to the north of the storm, and this feature extends west across Puerto Rico and Hispaniola. Dry air, which has been lingering to the north of the system for the past few days, has begun to wrap around the northwest side of the storm. This, along with high wind shear along its potential track, could delay or prevent further intensification over the life of the storm. Another Hurricane Hunter mission is on its way to Emily now.


Figure 1. Visible satellite of Tropical Storm Emily at 1pm EDT.

Forecast for Tropical Storm Emily
The official forecast for Emily is a track toward the west-northwest over the next day and a half, after which it will make a turn to the northwest, and by Saturday, to the north. Although the National Hurricane Center has been shifting the forecast track to the east over the past few advisories, the U.S. coastline is still within the cone of uncertainty, and if we know something about this storm, it's that the forecast is uncertain. The CMC continues to be the western boundary of the model track forecasts, bringing Emily over Cuba and into the far eastern Gulf of Mexico. Today, on the eastern boundary of potential tracks fall the HWRF and the GFDL, which forecast Emily to cross over Hispaniola on a north-northwest trajectory, skirting the eastern edge of the Bahamas, and turning northeast before ever making connection with the U.S. coast. The Hurricane Center's official track follows the model consensus, and is the most likely track. Today, Emily is not forecast to strengthen into a hurricane within the next five days by the National Hurricane Center nor most of the models. Consensus seems to be that the storm will max out at a moderate to strong tropical cyclone, but this is assuming the storm can survive the wrath of Hispaniola.

Surviving Hispaniola

Hispaniola is somewhat notorious for being a major disruptor to tropical cyclones that dare cross over it. Since 1950, around two dozen tropical cyclones have crossed Hispaniola near where the National Hurricane Center is forecasting that Emily will pass over. A handful of these cyclones were of similar intensity with a track that was similar to Emily's forecast by various models, and although some went on to intensify (the warm Gulf of Mexico waters can be quite healing) many were fatally disrupted by the second largest island in the Caribbean.


Figure 2. Tropical cyclones that have crossed Hispaniola since 1950 (plotted using the NOAA Historical Hurricane Tracker).

Fay of 2008 developed in the Mona Passage on August 15th as a tropical storm. After a rough track westward over the length of Hispaniola, Fay emerged back into open water with little to no organized circulation, but managed to survive, and skirted the southern coast of Cuba for the next couple of days before turning north toward Florida. Many remember 2008's Fay as the storm that intensified and developed an eye-like feature over Florida after making landfall.

Cindy of 1993 was not as lucky in a battle with Hispaniola. Cindy developed as a tropical depression just east of the Lesser Antilles, and over the course of two days, tracked west-northwest through the Caribbean toward Hispaniola, strengthening into a tropical storm and reaching peak intensity just before landfall. Almost immediately upon landfall in the Dominican Republic, Tropical Storm Cindy deteriorated and the National Hurricane Center stopped issuing advisories on the system.

Emily of 1987 developed well east of the Lesser Antilles in late September and tracked northwest into the Caribbean, where it underwent a period of rapid intensification and was upgraded to a hurricane and then a major hurricane (category 3) just before landfall in the Dominican Republic. As the hurricane approached Hispaniola, it began deteriorating, and within 12 hours of landfall, Emily had weakened to a tropical storm and never regained its strength. Emily then took a turn to the northeast and tracked into the open Atlantic. Hurricane Katie of 1955 had a similar fate.

Angela
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851. Gorty 9:28 PM GMT on August 02, 2011    
Quoting lucreto:


Yeah he must have meant Eugene that is the only way he could possibly make such an absurd statement.


Look at post 826 lol.

Plain as day.
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852. K8eCane 9:28 PM GMT on August 02, 2011    
Quoting tea3781:
The models are still pretty spread...kind of shocked that the NHC said that its going well east of the United States...thats a pretty bold statement...



someone else said PREPARATIONS SHOULD BE MINIMAL
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853. GainesvilleGator 9:28 PM GMT on August 02, 2011    
Keep in mind that it is usually floods that kill people when a tropical system comes ashore. The Island of Hispaniola has a lot of mountains that funnel rain into valleys, thus creating mudslides. This is a relatively large & wet system. Don't let the sub-hurricane winds fool your - this thing could end up being very bad.
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854. Jedkins01 9:29 PM GMT on August 02, 2011    
Quoting Patrap:
As Angela Mentioned,,the BAM Shallow has been consistent for the invest life almost,,so it may be trying to say something.

And not to subtly about it.









Its ironic that the simple models seem to have a better grasp on Emily then the dynamic models.

It may be very well due to Emily's very disorganized structure.
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856. yesterway 9:29 PM GMT on August 02, 2011    
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857. SouthDadeFish 9:30 PM GMT on August 02, 2011    
Large convective blow-up over the expected center location going on right now.

Link
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858. PcolaDan 9:30 PM GMT on August 02, 2011    
Quoting atmoaggie:
Alright. Can I see a link about this McTavish?

In my years of college for a BS degree in atmospheric science, with a emphasis on numerical modeling, I've never heard of this.

Also, in a search of the indexes of 4000 pages of atmospheric science texts sitting before me, nothing resembling.

In addition, if this really does exist, one would expect to have been published and, thus, to find it in google scholar: http://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&q=McT avis h+meteorology&btnG=Search&as_sdt=0%2C44&am p;as_ylo=&as _vis=0
Nope.

Further, a search of all AMS articles since the beginning of time yields nothing relevant: http://journals.ametsoc.org/action/doSearch?type= simple&filter=multiple&searchText=McTavish &categor yId=allJournals&history=


It's filed right after the McDonalds twoallbeefpattiesspecialsaucelettucecheesepickleso nasesameseedbun Model
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859. Patrap 9:30 PM GMT on August 02, 2011    
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860. angiest 9:31 PM GMT on August 02, 2011    
Not sure what to think of the trough's representation...

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861. wunderkidcayman 9:31 PM GMT on August 02, 2011    
truely I do not trust the model run nor the NHC cone and I don't think the WNW movement will last very long Ithink it will start to head back W

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863. hurricanehunter27 9:32 PM GMT on August 02, 2011    
Quoting Patrap:

Very good looking storm, i see heavy convection is starting to refire.
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864. Gorty 9:32 PM GMT on August 02, 2011    
Emily is just exploding! wow!

Don't know about anyone else but the image Patrap showed (post 859), looks like she is close to RI.
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865. mcluvincane 9:32 PM GMT on August 02, 2011    
Does anyone here think after Emily, there will be a statement from DR.M saying "None of the reliable forecast models predict TC formation for the next seven days". It's August I know, but it just don't seem we will be seeing much action in the coming weeks. Maybe September will be busy. Models don't show anything brewing after E
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866. Patrap 9:32 PM GMT on August 02, 2011    
2km Storm Relative IR Imagery with BD Enhancement Curve



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868. MeterologyStudent56 9:32 PM GMT on August 02, 2011    
Quoting angiest:
Not sure what to think of the trough's representation...



what does that mean? where is the weakness?
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869. blsealevel 9:33 PM GMT on August 02, 2011    
Thanks Angelafritz



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871. leofarnsworth 9:33 PM GMT on August 02, 2011    
The numbers don't add up! I'm not a meteorology person, but I can read a map and extrapolate positions for Emily based on NWS information. Based on the basically west heading the NWS predicts for seemingly at least 24 hrs. at a forward speed of roughly 12 knots or roughly 14 miles per hour; Emily seems to be heading west of predicted models. She looks like she might be just west of Hispaniola.
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872. angiest 9:33 PM GMT on August 02, 2011    
Quoting MeterologyStudent56:


what does that mean? where is the weakness?


The weakness still looks north of Cuba.
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873. Dakster 9:33 PM GMT on August 02, 2011    
HOw come the further the storm goes to the west, the further the east the NHC cone shifts? (I am not Florida casting, but it seems illogical to me)

I do see the high pressure setting in and the gap or trof between the two highs - I guess this has changed and therefore the models are changing too?


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875. jonelu 9:34 PM GMT on August 02, 2011    
Local mets here WPBF called Emily an "Odd little storm". LOL
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876. BoyntonBeachFL 9:34 PM GMT on August 02, 2011    
Quoting Grothar:


I thought this blog started in 2005?


The blog started in 2005, but one could become a paid member in years prior to that.
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877. BrandiQ 9:34 PM GMT on August 02, 2011    
Quoting angelafritz:


It's still very uncertain, the problem being that Emily doesn't really have a coherent surface circulation at this point. What we know for sure is that Emily is definitely a threat to Hispaniola and the Bahamas, and could be a Florida threat as well.


When do you think we will know if this will make a US landfall? I don't wanna wait too long to prepare...
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878. HarryMc 9:34 PM GMT on August 02, 2011    
Quoting angiest:
Not sure what to think of the trough's representation...


Actually that chart seems to say a lot. IF Emily remains weak with little inertia, it will drift westward. IF it strengthens, the stronger it gets the more the poleward the pull and it'll shoot the gap that's north of there. Just have to wait and see how she develops.
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880. presslord 9:35 PM GMT on August 02, 2011    
Quoting DestinJeff:
My Sarcastiholics Anonymous Sponsor says I should avoid the quote button. It appears to be my trigger to bad behavior.

I will do my best. Thank you all for your patience during my recovery.

Emily has more west left in her I think. When I see the true intensification, I will buy into the NW pull.


don't be a quitter
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881. sunlinepr 9:35 PM GMT on August 02, 2011    
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882. Jedkins01 9:35 PM GMT on August 02, 2011    
Quoting wunderkidcayman:
truely I do not trust the model run nor the NHC cone and I don't think the WNW movement will last very long Ithink it will start to head back W



Well, if I was at the NHC, I would keep the center of the forecast slightly west of the model consensus. The simple models have a better grip on Emily right now.
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883. Patrap 9:36 PM GMT on August 02, 2011    
BULLETIN
TROPICAL STORM EMILY ADVISORY NUMBER 5
NWS NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL AL052011
500 PM AST TUE AUG 02 2011

...EMILY A LITTLE STRONGER...BUT STILL NOT WELL ORGANIZED...

SUMMARY OF 500 PM AST...2100 UTC...INFORMATION
----------------------------------------------
LOCATION...15.8N 65.4W
ABOUT 185 MI...300 KM SSE OF SAN JUAN PUERTO RICO
MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS...50 MPH...85 KM/H
PRESENT MOVEMENT...WNW OR 295 DEGREES AT 12 MPH...19 KM/H
MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE...1005 MB...29.68 INCHES

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884. NICycloneChaser 9:36 PM GMT on August 02, 2011    
Quoting mcluvincane:
Does anyone here think after Emily, there will be a statement from DR.M saying "None of the reliable forecast models predict TC formation for the next seven days". It's August I know, but it just don't seem we will be seeing much action in the coming weeks. Maybe September will be busy. Models don't show anything brewing after E


Don't rely too heavily on the models, they mostly missed our A-D storms. Some signs that the tropical wave behind Emily may try to spin up in a few days, GFS hinted at it on and off a little.
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885. Gorty 9:36 PM GMT on August 02, 2011    
Quoting lucreto:


Lol you are being fooled by the convection/sat presentation that has been exposed as superficial with this system by recon.


Perhaps. We will have to see if the "eye" continues to look like one and if it does then we DO have an eye.
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886. OracleDeAtlantis 9:36 PM GMT on August 02, 2011    
Quoting angelafritz:


It's still very uncertain, the problem being that Emily doesn't really have a coherent surface circulation at this point. What we know for sure is that Emily is definitely a threat to Hispaniola and the Bahamas, and could be a Florida threat as well.
It never hurts to have Admin. on the Doom Bandwagon. I like that word "threat."

If I was living in a tent, this would be a threat far greater than if I was living in a dwelling. I pray for the people of Haiti. This is a deadly serious situation for them.
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887. atmoaggie 9:36 PM GMT on August 02, 2011    
Quoting cat5hurricane:

Yes, Avila is very conservative. Stacy Stewart is as much so. It's true that each have their different style and agenda.
???
Pretty sure they all have the same, and they call it a "mission".
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888. 996tt 9:36 PM GMT on August 02, 2011    
NHC struggled just as much with Gustav. Called for a recruve out to sea, then a South Forida, then a Tampa hit, then a Panhandle hit, then a Mobile hit, then . . . Map was set up about the same. With that said, this thing will likely get on track better once it gets a little better organized.
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889. MTWX 9:36 PM GMT on August 02, 2011    
I still seriously don't see it turning any time soon.
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890. atmoaggie 9:37 PM GMT on August 02, 2011    
Quoting lucreto:
I suppose you would also want documentation regarding the LSM and LGEN and LIGSM. I will gladly give you those in 2014-2015 when they will most likely be released to the public.
Umm, nah, documentation for the "McTavish factor" will be fine, for the moment.
*tap, tap, tap*
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891. Walshy 9:37 PM GMT on August 02, 2011    
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892. charlottefl 9:37 PM GMT on August 02, 2011    
Emily still has a very broad circulation, which is not surprising given the size of the wave it came from, as well as current conditions over it. Slow strengthening at best IMO, which may have implications as far as track is concerned, but hard to say, I'd like to see the trough progress another 12-24 hrs before I'm sold on what the ridge over the Atlantic is gonna do.
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894. portcharlotte 9:38 PM GMT on August 02, 2011    
IMO it looks like Emily will not make the move poleward until she reaches East Cuba or so. That trough by the way is not going to be around for long...I would not be surprised to see this storm continue west even if it intensifys as that ridge is still hanging on.
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895. goofyrider 9:38 PM GMT on August 02, 2011    
Check Yucatan P.
and 35W , 10N
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896. cybergrump 9:38 PM GMT on August 02, 2011    
Looking at this image of the two high pressure moving into each other looks like the gap to pull emily more north is getting real tight.
Link
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897. Patrap 9:38 PM GMT on August 02, 2011    
Emily


Emily Floater - Visible Loop


Zoom, Boxes and Tropical Points active
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898. Torgen 9:38 PM GMT on August 02, 2011    
Quoting atmoaggie:
Umm, nah, documentation for the "McTavish factor" will be fine, for the moment.
*tap, tap, tap*


You mean the MacTavish who apparently has never even published a masters or doctoral thesis, yes?
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899. 996tt 9:39 PM GMT on August 02, 2011    
Just looking for a nice swell somewhere here in the GOM. East Coast will be blown out with current track.
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900. wunderkidcayman 9:39 PM GMT on August 02, 2011    
map is 2100Z the next one is at 0000Z
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