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TD 8 forms; 97L a potential threat to the Caribbean and U.S.
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 3:30 PM GMT on August 19, 2011 +33
Tropical Depression Eight formed last night near the coast of Honduras, and is headed westwards towards a landfall in Belize on Saturday. TD 8 is a small storm, so will impact a relatively small area of northern Honduras, northern Guatemala, all of Belize, and southern portions of Mexico's Yucatan Peninsula. TD 8 has just enough room between its center and the coast of Honduras to intensify into a moderate strength tropical storm with 50 - 60 mph winds before landfall. It is very unlikely TD8 has the time or room to intensify into a hurricane; NHC gave the storm just a 7% chance of making it to hurricane strength in their 11am EDT wind probability forecast. Should TD8 make it to tropical storm strength, it would be called Harvey.


Figure 1. Morning satellite image of TD 8.

Invest 97L likely to become a tropical storm next week, could threaten the U.S.
A tropical wave near 14°N 48°W, about 800 miles east of the Lesser Antilles Islands, is moving westward near 20 mph. This wave, designated Invest 97L by NHC yesterday, has seen a marked increase in its heavy thunderstorm activity this morning, but dry air to the north and west is slowing development. An impressive amount of large-scale spin is obvious in visible satellite loops, but the storm is at least a day away from forming a well-defined surface circulation. Ocean temperatures are about 28.5°C, about 2°C above the threshold needed to support a tropical storm, and wind shear is low, 5 - 10 knots.


Figure 2. Morning satellite image of the tropical wave 97L.

The computer models have shown an unusual amount of agreement in developing 97L over the past few days, and all the ingredients seem to be in place for a tropical storm to form by Monday or Tuesday as 97L crosses the Northeast Caribbean. The atmosphere is expected to be moister over the Caribbean, wind shear will remain a low 5 - 10 knots, and sea surface temperatures will increase to near 29°C. The main impediment for development will likely be two-fold: too much dry, stable air, and proximity to land.

As seen in Figure 3, there has been an unusual amount of dry, stable air in the Atlantic this year, due to a combination of dry air from Africa, and upper-atmosphere dynamics creating large areas of sinking air that dry as they warm and approach the surface. This stable air has been largely responsible for the fact that none of our seven tropical storms so far this year has made it to hurricane strength, despite the presence of sea surface temperatures that are the 3rd warmest on record across the tropical Atlantic. Tropical Storm Emily in early August encountered problems with dry air when it crossed the Northeast Caribbean, and 97L may have similar difficulties.


Figure 3. Vertical instability of the atmosphere during 2011 in the Caribbean (left) and tropical Atlantic between the Lesser Antilles Islands and coast of Africa (right.) The instability is plotted in °C, as a difference in temperature from near the surface to the upper atmosphere. Thunderstorms grow much more readily when vertical instability is high. Observed vertical instability (blue line) has been much lower than the climatological average from previous years (black line), due to an unusual amount of dry air in the atmosphere, inhibiting tropical storm development this year. Image credit: NOAA/CIRA.

Encounters with land will be another potential major problem for 97L. Most of the computer models take 97L near or over Puerto Rico Sunday night, then very close to or over mountainous Hispaniola Monday night through Tuesday. It is unlikely that 97L will be stronger than a 55 mph tropical storm when it encounters these islands, and passage over the islands could severely disrupt the storm. However, if 97L takes a path just south or north of Hispaniola, the potential exists for the storm to intensify into a hurricane.

There will be moderate wind shear of 10 - 20 knots to the north of the islands early next week, so a path just to the south of the Dominican Republic and Haiti would be more likely to let 97L intensify into a hurricane. A west-northwest motion is likely for 97L through Wednesday, which would bring the storm to the vicinity of Jamaica-Central Cuba-the Central Bahamas on Wednesday. On Wednesday and Thursday, the models agree that a trough of low pressure will dip down over the Eastern U.S., which is likely to turn 97L to the north. The exact timing and strength of this trough varies considerably from model to model, and will be critical in determining where and when 97L will turn to the north. The best model for predicting the timing and strength of such troughs over the past two years has been the ECMWF (European Center model), and this model currently brings 97L into the Florida Keys on Thursday night next week. You can view ECMWF forecasts on our wundermap with the model layer turned on. The European Center does not permit public display of tropical storm positions from their hurricane tracking module of their model, so we are unable to put ECMWF forecasts on our computer model forecast page that plots positions from the other major models.

Remember that a 7-day forecast by even our best model will be off by an average of over 700 miles, so it is too early to tell what part of the U.S. might be most at risk from a strike by 97L. This weekend would be a good time to go over your hurricane preparedness.


Figure 4. Morning satellite image of Invest 98L off the coast of Africa.

Invest 98L near the coast of Africa
A tropical wave near the coast of Africa, a few hundred miles southeast of the Cape Verde Islands, is moving west to west-northwestward at 10 - 15 mph. This wave, designated Invest 98L by NHC yesterday, is large and well-organized, with a modest amount of spin and heavy thunderstorm activity. 98L will bring strong, gusty winds and heavy rains to the Cape Verde Islands today and Saturday as the storm skirts to the south. So far this morning, top sustained winds measured in the islands were 24 mph at Mindelo. Water temperatures are warm, near 27 - 28°C, and wind shear is low, 5 - 10 knots, so 98L should continue to organize today. NHC gave the storm a 50% chance of developing into a tropical depression in their 8am advisory. Once 98L passes to the west of the Cape Verde Islands, it has a long stretch of ocean to cross before it could affect any other land areas. Approximately 70 - 80% of all tropical cyclones that pass this close to the Cape Verde Islands end up curving out to sea and not affecting any other land areas, according to Dr. Bob Hart's excellent historical probability of landfall charts. The latest set of long-range model runs go along with this idea, but it is too early to be confident of this.

Jeff Masters
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1. Stats56 3:31 PM GMT on August 19, 2011    
Thanks Doc!
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3. KennyNebraska 3:33 PM GMT on August 19, 2011    
Nice blog, Doctor.
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4. Jax82 3:34 PM GMT on August 19, 2011    
Thx Dr. M, its going to be an interesting and I believe scary peak of the season!
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5. PrivateIdaho 3:35 PM GMT on August 19, 2011    
DOOMâ„¢
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6. Patrap 3:36 PM GMT on August 19, 2011    
12z Early Cycle NHC model tracks
Invest97
Statistical/Simple Models (CLIPER,BAMs,LBAR,other Statistical Models)



Dynamic Models (More sophisticated models)








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7. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod) 3:36 PM GMT on August 19, 2011    
ALL MODELS ARE MEANT TO BE USED FOR GUIDANCE PURPOSES ONLY AND DONOT DEPICT FINAL OUTCOME TO ANY ONE SINGLE EVENT THINGS CAN AND WILL CHANGE
STAY TUNED TO LOCAL FORECASTS OFFICES AND NHC/TPC FOR OFFICIAL ADVICE REGARDING EVENTS DEPICTED ON MODELS AND GUDIANCE FOR POSSIBLE IMPACTS
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8. Cotillion 3:37 PM GMT on August 19, 2011    
"Remember that a 7-day forecast by even our best model will be off by an average of over 700 miles, so it is too early to tell what part of the U.S. might be most at risk from a strike by 97L. This weekend would be a good time to go over your hurricane preparedness."

If you don't read anything else of the latest blog entry, that's the primary paragraph to read.
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9. atmoaggie 3:37 PM GMT on August 19, 2011    
Thanks, Doc.

Re: GFS, ensembles, 97L, Islands, etc.

It should be noted that while the operational runs continue to pound someone with a significant cane, many of the ensemble members outright kill it.

Discussion question: Believable for it to simply die in the Greater Antilles?

More than half of these ensemble members kill it in the islands:
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11. Thunderpig75 3:37 PM GMT on August 19, 2011    
Ahhhh...that new blog smell!
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12. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod) 3:37 PM GMT on August 19, 2011    
looks as if there is a busy period coming up

thanks for update doc
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13. wpb 3:38 PM GMT on August 19, 2011    
Quoting KEEPEROFTHEGATE:
ALL MODELS ARE MEANT TO BE USED FOR GUIDANCE PURPOSES ONLY AND DONOT DEPICT FINAL OUTCOME TO ANY ONE SINGLE EVENT THINGS CAN AND WILL CHANGE
STAY TUNED TO LOCAL FORECASTS OFFICES AND NHC/TPC FOR OFFICIAL ADVICE REGARDING EVENTS DEPICTED ON MODELS AND GUDIANCE FOR POSSIBLE IMPACTS
timely post for all
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14. niederwaldboy 3:38 PM GMT on August 19, 2011    
I miss Angela, at least she had a sense of humor.
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15. PrivateIdaho 3:39 PM GMT on August 19, 2011    
Quoting Cotillion:
"Remember that a 7-day forecast by even our best model will be off by an average of over 700 miles, so it is too early to tell what part of the U.S. might be most at risk from a strike by 97L. This weekend would be a good time to go over your hurricane preparedness."

If you don't read anything else of the latest blog entry, that's the primary paragraph to read.


Don't tell me what to obsess about...buddy!
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16. kmanislander 3:39 PM GMT on August 19, 2011    
Dr. Masters has referred to a key element that has inhibited development this year so far, namely the lack of vertical instability. I have posted about this many times in the past few days and we see it still at work today.

The danger with the lack of instability is that it increases the length of time it takes for waves to develop and close off a surface low and this in turn allows them to travel farther West and South before developing, thus substantially increasing the risk of a landfalling TS or hurricane either in the Caribbean or the US or both.
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18. KennyNebraska 3:39 PM GMT on August 19, 2011    
If the trough does not dig down south enough or its timing is off and/or the ULL does not lift 97L much in latitude over the next 36-48 hours, the more likely 97L will head for the GoM.
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19. CybrTeddy 3:40 PM GMT on August 19, 2011    
Blog update!! Read for my opinion on the active tropics. Should be a good read, hope you all enjoy. Going to be very active on here today and through the weekend.
An active Atlantic - TD8, 97L, 98L. 8/19/11
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22. PrivateIdaho 3:42 PM GMT on August 19, 2011    
Quoting CorneliaMarie:
5. PrivateIdaho 11:35 AM EDT on August 19, 2011 +1
DOOMâ„¢


so, how much to use the trademark?
$10 a pop. (I'm sending 10% to DJ in Wucatraz)
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24. spathy 3:43 PM GMT on August 19, 2011    
Not to add to the ADDHD here.
But does anyone have a good loop of the very strong wave over Africa?
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26. Bluestorm5 3:44 PM GMT on August 19, 2011    
Thanks, Doc.

Sigh, apparently I'm on ignore list... what did I do wrong?

Anyway, when the first recon into 97L?
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27. Levi32 3:44 PM GMT on August 19, 2011    
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29. wpb 3:45 PM GMT on August 19, 2011    
12z run starting {gfs}
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30. MississippiWx 3:45 PM GMT on August 19, 2011    
Thanks, Doc. Great update, as usual.
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31. Relix 3:45 PM GMT on August 19, 2011    
Thanks Dr Masters! After Emily I am bearish on every invest coming my way :P! (Not that I am not ready!)
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32. ncstorm 3:46 PM GMT on August 19, 2011    
Thank you Dr. Masters! I had specifically posted this question on last week blog about which model was better at depicting troughs and you answered it!!

The best model for predicting the timing and strength of such troughs over the past two years has been the ECMWF (European Center model), and this model currently brings 97L into the Florida Keys on Thursday night next week.
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33. masonsnana 3:46 PM GMT on August 19, 2011    
Quoting Levi32:
Blog update:

Tropical Tidbit for Friday, August 19th, with Video
Thanks for updates Levi and Dr Masters
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34. islander101010 3:47 PM GMT on August 19, 2011    
choaps should be a good around 3pm est tahiti 6-8 ft perfect the worlds best are there
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35. reedzone 3:48 PM GMT on August 19, 2011    
Quoting USAFwxguy:
Coming in low ... Ivan-low



Low is around 13.5N .. this doesn't make sense, the 12Z GFS has the low further south.. Initialized wrong.
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36. hurricanehanna 3:48 PM GMT on August 19, 2011    
Quoting Bluestorm5:
Thanks, Doc.

Sigh, apparently I'm on ignore list... what did I do wrong?

Anyway, when the first recon into 97L?

I may be wrong, and someone correct me if I am, but I think the system is still too far out for recon...I'm sure something will be scheduled in the next few days.
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38. daddyjames 3:49 PM GMT on August 19, 2011    
long time lurker, recently jumped into the pool.

Thanks Levi for your insightful, and always well presented, analysis of the available data.
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39. atmoaggie 3:49 PM GMT on August 19, 2011    
Quoting kmanislander:
Dr. Masters has referred to a key element that has inhibited development this year so far, namely the lack of vertical instability. I have posted about this many times in the past few days and we see it still at work today.

The danger with the lack of instability is that it increases the length of time it takes for waves to develop and close off a surface low and this in turn allows them to travel farther West and South before developing, thus substantially increasing the risk of a landfalling TS or hurricane either in the Caribbean or the US or both.
Certainly does.

But, I'm not sold that it will last.

This has been threatening a change in regime for a while now.
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40. TampaSpin 3:50 PM GMT on August 19, 2011    



Sure appears to be GOM bound in what ever form it might be.
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42. OrchidGrower 3:50 PM GMT on August 19, 2011    
Patrap, are you posting model runs for 97L (re: post #6) or for 98L? 97L is no longer near that position by Africa, so just checking!

(Thanks!)
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43. dmdhdms 3:50 PM GMT on August 19, 2011    
Quoting spathy:
Not to add to the ADDHD here.
But does anyone have a good loop of the very strong wave over Africa?


See your WU mail
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44. Matt1989 3:51 PM GMT on August 19, 2011    
If 97l passes over haiti.. you can kiss it goodbye as it will fizzle. To much dry air this year for the miraculous rapid intensification of storms and regeneration. The water could be 100 deg but dry air will always prevail when coupled with wind shear and land.
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45. stormwatcherCI 3:52 PM GMT on August 19, 2011    
Quoting hurricanehanna:

I may be wrong, and someone correct me if I am, but I think the system is still too far out for recon...I'm sure something will be scheduled in the next few days.
Recon is scheduled for tomorrow around 53W.
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46. kmanislander 3:52 PM GMT on August 19, 2011    
Quoting atmoaggie:
Certainly does.

But, I'm not sold that it will last.

This has been threatening a change in regime for a while now.


I have been watching for this change with the MJO. It should happen in the next two weeks IMO.
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47. MississippiWx 3:53 PM GMT on August 19, 2011    
Quoting reedzone:


Low is around 13.5N .. this doesn't make sense, the 12Z GFS has the low further south.. Initialized wrong.


Visible loops clearly show the center at around 13N...so does the 850mb vort:

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48. Contrarian 3:53 PM GMT on August 19, 2011    
So basically, we have the vertical stability that you usually see in June, when hurricanes almost never form.

My random guess is that temperatures determine strength, but factors like VS are more important to determine formation in the first place.

Is it possible to have a below average hurricane year with SSTs this high?

So far, the answer seems to be yes.



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51. TampaSpin 3:54 PM GMT on August 19, 2011    
Quoting kmanislander:
Dr. Masters has referred to a key element that has inhibited development this year so far, namely the lack of vertical instability. I have posted about this many times in the past few days and we see it still at work today.

The danger with the lack of instability is that it increases the length of time it takes for waves to develop and close off a surface low and this in turn allows them to travel farther West and South before developing, thus substantially increasing the risk of a landfalling TS or hurricane either in the Caribbean or the US or both.



So true! But, also the speed of the system at 21mph is also very fast for a system to wrap up.......that also is hindering development.
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