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TD 8 forms; 97L a potential threat to the Caribbean and U.S.
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 3:30 PM GMT on August 19, 2011 +33
Tropical Depression Eight formed last night near the coast of Honduras, and is headed westwards towards a landfall in Belize on Saturday. TD 8 is a small storm, so will impact a relatively small area of northern Honduras, northern Guatemala, all of Belize, and southern portions of Mexico's Yucatan Peninsula. TD 8 has just enough room between its center and the coast of Honduras to intensify into a moderate strength tropical storm with 50 - 60 mph winds before landfall. It is very unlikely TD8 has the time or room to intensify into a hurricane; NHC gave the storm just a 7% chance of making it to hurricane strength in their 11am EDT wind probability forecast. Should TD8 make it to tropical storm strength, it would be called Harvey.


Figure 1. Morning satellite image of TD 8.

Invest 97L likely to become a tropical storm next week, could threaten the U.S.
A tropical wave near 14°N 48°W, about 800 miles east of the Lesser Antilles Islands, is moving westward near 20 mph. This wave, designated Invest 97L by NHC yesterday, has seen a marked increase in its heavy thunderstorm activity this morning, but dry air to the north and west is slowing development. An impressive amount of large-scale spin is obvious in visible satellite loops, but the storm is at least a day away from forming a well-defined surface circulation. Ocean temperatures are about 28.5°C, about 2°C above the threshold needed to support a tropical storm, and wind shear is low, 5 - 10 knots.


Figure 2. Morning satellite image of the tropical wave 97L.

The computer models have shown an unusual amount of agreement in developing 97L over the past few days, and all the ingredients seem to be in place for a tropical storm to form by Monday or Tuesday as 97L crosses the Northeast Caribbean. The atmosphere is expected to be moister over the Caribbean, wind shear will remain a low 5 - 10 knots, and sea surface temperatures will increase to near 29°C. The main impediment for development will likely be two-fold: too much dry, stable air, and proximity to land.

As seen in Figure 3, there has been an unusual amount of dry, stable air in the Atlantic this year, due to a combination of dry air from Africa, and upper-atmosphere dynamics creating large areas of sinking air that dry as they warm and approach the surface. This stable air has been largely responsible for the fact that none of our seven tropical storms so far this year has made it to hurricane strength, despite the presence of sea surface temperatures that are the 3rd warmest on record across the tropical Atlantic. Tropical Storm Emily in early August encountered problems with dry air when it crossed the Northeast Caribbean, and 97L may have similar difficulties.


Figure 3. Vertical instability of the atmosphere during 2011 in the Caribbean (left) and tropical Atlantic between the Lesser Antilles Islands and coast of Africa (right.) The instability is plotted in °C, as a difference in temperature from near the surface to the upper atmosphere. Thunderstorms grow much more readily when vertical instability is high. Observed vertical instability (blue line) has been much lower than the climatological average from previous years (black line), due to an unusual amount of dry air in the atmosphere, inhibiting tropical storm development this year. Image credit: NOAA/CIRA.

Encounters with land will be another potential major problem for 97L. Most of the computer models take 97L near or over Puerto Rico Sunday night, then very close to or over mountainous Hispaniola Monday night through Tuesday. It is unlikely that 97L will be stronger than a 55 mph tropical storm when it encounters these islands, and passage over the islands could severely disrupt the storm. However, if 97L takes a path just south or north of Hispaniola, the potential exists for the storm to intensify into a hurricane.

There will be moderate wind shear of 10 - 20 knots to the north of the islands early next week, so a path just to the south of the Dominican Republic and Haiti would be more likely to let 97L intensify into a hurricane. A west-northwest motion is likely for 97L through Wednesday, which would bring the storm to the vicinity of Jamaica-Central Cuba-the Central Bahamas on Wednesday. On Wednesday and Thursday, the models agree that a trough of low pressure will dip down over the Eastern U.S., which is likely to turn 97L to the north. The exact timing and strength of this trough varies considerably from model to model, and will be critical in determining where and when 97L will turn to the north. The best model for predicting the timing and strength of such troughs over the past two years has been the ECMWF (European Center model), and this model currently brings 97L into the Florida Keys on Thursday night next week. You can view ECMWF forecasts on our wundermap with the model layer turned on. The European Center does not permit public display of tropical storm positions from their hurricane tracking module of their model, so we are unable to put ECMWF forecasts on our computer model forecast page that plots positions from the other major models.

Remember that a 7-day forecast by even our best model will be off by an average of over 700 miles, so it is too early to tell what part of the U.S. might be most at risk from a strike by 97L. This weekend would be a good time to go over your hurricane preparedness.


Figure 4. Morning satellite image of Invest 98L off the coast of Africa.

Invest 98L near the coast of Africa
A tropical wave near the coast of Africa, a few hundred miles southeast of the Cape Verde Islands, is moving west to west-northwestward at 10 - 15 mph. This wave, designated Invest 98L by NHC yesterday, is large and well-organized, with a modest amount of spin and heavy thunderstorm activity. 98L will bring strong, gusty winds and heavy rains to the Cape Verde Islands today and Saturday as the storm skirts to the south. So far this morning, top sustained winds measured in the islands were 24 mph at Mindelo. Water temperatures are warm, near 27 - 28°C, and wind shear is low, 5 - 10 knots, so 98L should continue to organize today. NHC gave the storm a 50% chance of developing into a tropical depression in their 8am advisory. Once 98L passes to the west of the Cape Verde Islands, it has a long stretch of ocean to cross before it could affect any other land areas. Approximately 70 - 80% of all tropical cyclones that pass this close to the Cape Verde Islands end up curving out to sea and not affecting any other land areas, according to Dr. Bob Hart's excellent historical probability of landfall charts. The latest set of long-range model runs go along with this idea, but it is too early to be confident of this.

Jeff Masters
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552. CaribBoy 6:16 PM GMT on August 19, 2011    
I expect 97L to loose convection this PM as dmin approaches
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553. Xyrus2000 6:16 PM GMT on August 19, 2011    
Quoting cat5hurricane:

I thought storms were supposed to be mega-intense with climate change?


Not exactly. The number of intense storms will increase but the overall number of storms will decrease. In other words, conditions will generally be less favorable for storm formation overall, but if a storm manages to get going then there will be plenty of energy to tap into.
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554. Orcasystems 6:16 PM GMT on August 19, 2011    
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555. wunderkidcayman 6:16 PM GMT on August 19, 2011    
97's LLC is at 13.5N 51.3W
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556. reedzone 6:17 PM GMT on August 19, 2011    
Nevermind, it takes it to Cuba..
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557. 7544 6:17 PM GMT on August 19, 2011    
Quoting Tazmanian:
97L will have a high 60% ch at the next two same with 98L


yep taz looking better at this hour
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558. Cotillion 6:17 PM GMT on August 19, 2011    
Quoting sullivanweather:
Cotillion,

Hey! How's it going?

Just getting back into the swing of things here after being away for over a year. I surely did miss it =)

How's things been with you? Rough winter there last year, huh?


Good, yourself? It was a strange winter in that it was intense for around 6 weeks from end of November to beginning of January before mellowing out. Then a hot, dry spring followed by a half-tepid summer (but at least not a total blowout). It's all bizarre. Not much in the way of windstorms, though.

Nice to see you back, shall pop by. :)

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559. AllStar17 6:18 PM GMT on August 19, 2011    






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560. ecflweatherfan 6:18 PM GMT on August 19, 2011    
I do think the CIMSS Dvorak Numbers are likely spot-on. Seems as if that curved band on the east side is wrapping in really nicely, so it is possible that we may actually have a 45kt TS here. Just hard to say w/o HH in there right now.
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561. CybrTeddy 6:19 PM GMT on August 19, 2011    
19/1745 UTC 16.5N 84.1W T3.0/3.0 HARVEY -- Atlantic

CI# /Pressure/ Vmax
3.1 / 999.3mb/ 47.0kt


Final T# Adj T# Raw T#
3.1 3.3 3.3
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563. alvarig1263 6:19 PM GMT on August 19, 2011    
Quoting AllStar17:








How do you do those banners in Google Earth???
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565. TropicalWeatherGrl88 6:19 PM GMT on August 19, 2011    
Quoting scott39:
Then how are storms going to really ramp up in intensity?


I would like to know the answer to this as well. Does it have to do with the upward in MJO?
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566. wunderkidcayman 6:19 PM GMT on August 19, 2011    
the steering flow would suggest a WSW flow for a short time for 97L so maybe the GFS and CMC models are correct
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568. ElConando 6:20 PM GMT on August 19, 2011    
Okay I'm convinced there is a good chance that Harvey will briefly enter the BOC.
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569. EYEStoSEA 6:21 PM GMT on August 19, 2011    
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570. Patrap 6:21 PM GMT on August 19, 2011    
TS Harvey

RGB





Rainbow

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571. GoWVU 6:21 PM GMT on August 19, 2011    
Quoting USAFwxguy:
Big ouch up the FL east coast


USAFwxguy What are you seeing? BTW I am a retired AF guy
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572. CaneHunter031472 6:21 PM GMT on August 19, 2011    
gfs, hwrf, cmc: predicting somwhere between Pascagoula MS to Tampa FL.

ngp, gfdl: Fine thank you, and you?
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574. wolftribe2009 6:22 PM GMT on August 19, 2011    
Well we are now officially on "Harvey" which is the 8th storm of the year. I can remember early July when we all were wondering where the storms were? The chilling part to this story is the wave train coming off Africa has already had me concerned for Multiple Hurricane strikes in September. I hope they all go out to sea but this is starting to look a lot like 2005 with all the storms that keep forming.
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575. Patrap 6:23 PM GMT on August 19, 2011    
..earlier

12z Early Cycle NHC model tracks
Invest97
Statistical/Simple Models (CLIPER,BAMs,LBAR,other Statistical Models)



Dynamic Models (More sophisticated models)








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576. TropicalAnalystwx13 6:23 PM GMT on August 19, 2011    
This is a perfect example of a system about to ramp up.

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577. AllStar17 6:23 PM GMT on August 19, 2011    
Harvey track will have to be again adjusted slightly northward at the 5:00 pm advisory.
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578. atmoaggie 6:23 PM GMT on August 19, 2011    
Quoting Xyrus2000:


Not exactly. The number of intense storms will increase but the overall number of storms will decrease. In other words, conditions will generally be less favorable for storm formation overall, but if a storm manages to get going then there will be plenty of energy to tap into.
In other words, the exact opposite of what we have seen thus far into this hurricane season...
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579. Drakoen 6:24 PM GMT on August 19, 2011    
97L is experiencing southerly shear around 10-15 knots as analyzed by CIMSS as well as fairly dry conditions seen on water vapor imagery. Give these marginal conditions, it is not surprising that the low level center is to the south southeast of the convection.
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580. PrivateIdaho 6:24 PM GMT on August 19, 2011    
97L is several hundred miles ESE of this buoy.

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581. GTcooliebai 6:24 PM GMT on August 19, 2011    
Quoting AllStar17:






Thanks for the images Allstar...Harvey's center seem to take a jog to the north, or reformed there, and in response the watches/warnings have been extended north. Those islands off the coast of Honduras, is Roatan or something like that, I remember a lady that was on here last year who was from there.
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583. ProgressivePulse 6:24 PM GMT on August 19, 2011    
97L is definitely starting to look like a duck.
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584. pottery 6:24 PM GMT on August 19, 2011    
Quoting PTXer:


Still a lot of dry air on the South side. I hope you get your party off without a hitch!

Thanks.
It will be a Good One, Irregardless.....
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585. ncstorm 6:25 PM GMT on August 19, 2011    
12Z CMC 180 Hours
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586. AllStar17 6:25 PM GMT on August 19, 2011    
Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:
This is a perfect example of a system about to ramp up.



Sure is. Keep in mind that Alex very nearly became a hurricane last year right before landfall in Belize. It quickly intensified from a weak TS to a very strong one pretty much right before landfall. Now, Harvey may not do that, but it has to be watched nonetheless.
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588. TropicalAnalystwx13 6:25 PM GMT on August 19, 2011    
Harvey should make landfall tomorrow night into early Sunday morning. Gives it over 24 hours to strengthen, not good for the city of Belize.

DO NOT rule out the possibility that Harvey could become a hurricane by tomorrow night/early Sunday morning.
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589. extreme236 6:25 PM GMT on August 19, 2011    
Harvey looks to almost be developing an eye-like feature.
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590. scott39 6:26 PM GMT on August 19, 2011    
Pat- Does MJO give a shot in the (arm) to vertical instability?
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591. AllStar17 6:26 PM GMT on August 19, 2011    
Quoting GTcooliebai:
Thanks for the images Allstar...Harvey's center seem to take a jog to the north, or reformed there, and in response the watches/warnings have been extended north. Those islands off the coast of Honduras, is Roatan or something like that, I remember a lady that was on here last year who was from there.



No problem. I really enjoy making the images and like sharing them on here.
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592. pottery 6:26 PM GMT on August 19, 2011    
Hi, Cotilion!

Was looking at some Images from Bournemouth earlier.
2" of rain filled the Town up.
Grandsons are Loving it LOL!
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594. TropicalAnalystwx13 6:26 PM GMT on August 19, 2011    
Quoting ProgressivePulse:
97L is definitely starting to look like a duck.


lol, I don't see it :P

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595. TerraNova 6:27 PM GMT on August 19, 2011    
Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:
This is a perfect example of a system about to ramp up.



That burst of cold cloud tops is right on top of the center, too. It'll be interesting to watch ADT trends as it develops more.

CI# /Pressure/ Vmax
3.1 / 999.3mb/ 47.0kt

Center Temp : -72.5C Cloud Region Temp : -56.0C

Scene Type : UNIFORM CDO CLOUD REGION





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596. atmoaggie 6:27 PM GMT on August 19, 2011    
Quoting USAFwxguy:


Whoa. First doomcon, now a shower curtain?

This place is funny. I see what everyone was saying when they told me it got crazy.

And you probably haven't even heard about the hurricane raccoon, yet,
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597. ecflweatherfan 6:27 PM GMT on August 19, 2011    
Judging by the RGB satellite picture, it SEEMS as if "Harvey" MAY ramp up quickly here before hitting Belize. Does this look reasonable, Levi? or some of the other well-versed gurus? No wishcasters on this one please... just want a good educated prognosis here. Thanks
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599. Patrap 6:27 PM GMT on August 19, 2011    
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600. sullivanweather 6:27 PM GMT on August 19, 2011    
Cotillion,

I've been good and doing better by the day.

Personally, my winter here was just average, despite all the blizzards here in the Northeast this winter. Only got clipped by all three big storms. Got 7-10cm of snow with each of them while areas just 40-50km away got 60-80cm with each of them. It was very wet in the spring straight through June. Got hot in July and its back to wet in August. Now I'm just watching these big waves out in the Atlantic since if one of these things develops it has about a 20% chance of heading this way as a strong cyclone. Maybe 50% chance of getting at least its remnants and lots more rain.
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601. AllStar17 6:27 PM GMT on August 19, 2011    
Quoting alvarig1263:


How do you do those banners in Google Earth???


Did you get the mail I sent you regarding this???
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