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TD 8 forms; 97L a potential threat to the Caribbean and U.S.
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 3:30 PM GMT on August 19, 2011 +33
Tropical Depression Eight formed last night near the coast of Honduras, and is headed westwards towards a landfall in Belize on Saturday. TD 8 is a small storm, so will impact a relatively small area of northern Honduras, northern Guatemala, all of Belize, and southern portions of Mexico's Yucatan Peninsula. TD 8 has just enough room between its center and the coast of Honduras to intensify into a moderate strength tropical storm with 50 - 60 mph winds before landfall. It is very unlikely TD8 has the time or room to intensify into a hurricane; NHC gave the storm just a 7% chance of making it to hurricane strength in their 11am EDT wind probability forecast. Should TD8 make it to tropical storm strength, it would be called Harvey.


Figure 1. Morning satellite image of TD 8.

Invest 97L likely to become a tropical storm next week, could threaten the U.S.
A tropical wave near 14°N 48°W, about 800 miles east of the Lesser Antilles Islands, is moving westward near 20 mph. This wave, designated Invest 97L by NHC yesterday, has seen a marked increase in its heavy thunderstorm activity this morning, but dry air to the north and west is slowing development. An impressive amount of large-scale spin is obvious in visible satellite loops, but the storm is at least a day away from forming a well-defined surface circulation. Ocean temperatures are about 28.5°C, about 2°C above the threshold needed to support a tropical storm, and wind shear is low, 5 - 10 knots.


Figure 2. Morning satellite image of the tropical wave 97L.

The computer models have shown an unusual amount of agreement in developing 97L over the past few days, and all the ingredients seem to be in place for a tropical storm to form by Monday or Tuesday as 97L crosses the Northeast Caribbean. The atmosphere is expected to be moister over the Caribbean, wind shear will remain a low 5 - 10 knots, and sea surface temperatures will increase to near 29°C. The main impediment for development will likely be two-fold: too much dry, stable air, and proximity to land.

As seen in Figure 3, there has been an unusual amount of dry, stable air in the Atlantic this year, due to a combination of dry air from Africa, and upper-atmosphere dynamics creating large areas of sinking air that dry as they warm and approach the surface. This stable air has been largely responsible for the fact that none of our seven tropical storms so far this year has made it to hurricane strength, despite the presence of sea surface temperatures that are the 3rd warmest on record across the tropical Atlantic. Tropical Storm Emily in early August encountered problems with dry air when it crossed the Northeast Caribbean, and 97L may have similar difficulties.


Figure 3. Vertical instability of the atmosphere during 2011 in the Caribbean (left) and tropical Atlantic between the Lesser Antilles Islands and coast of Africa (right.) The instability is plotted in °C, as a difference in temperature from near the surface to the upper atmosphere. Thunderstorms grow much more readily when vertical instability is high. Observed vertical instability (blue line) has been much lower than the climatological average from previous years (black line), due to an unusual amount of dry air in the atmosphere, inhibiting tropical storm development this year. Image credit: NOAA/CIRA.

Encounters with land will be another potential major problem for 97L. Most of the computer models take 97L near or over Puerto Rico Sunday night, then very close to or over mountainous Hispaniola Monday night through Tuesday. It is unlikely that 97L will be stronger than a 55 mph tropical storm when it encounters these islands, and passage over the islands could severely disrupt the storm. However, if 97L takes a path just south or north of Hispaniola, the potential exists for the storm to intensify into a hurricane.

There will be moderate wind shear of 10 - 20 knots to the north of the islands early next week, so a path just to the south of the Dominican Republic and Haiti would be more likely to let 97L intensify into a hurricane. A west-northwest motion is likely for 97L through Wednesday, which would bring the storm to the vicinity of Jamaica-Central Cuba-the Central Bahamas on Wednesday. On Wednesday and Thursday, the models agree that a trough of low pressure will dip down over the Eastern U.S., which is likely to turn 97L to the north. The exact timing and strength of this trough varies considerably from model to model, and will be critical in determining where and when 97L will turn to the north. The best model for predicting the timing and strength of such troughs over the past two years has been the ECMWF (European Center model), and this model currently brings 97L into the Florida Keys on Thursday night next week. You can view ECMWF forecasts on our wundermap with the model layer turned on. The European Center does not permit public display of tropical storm positions from their hurricane tracking module of their model, so we are unable to put ECMWF forecasts on our computer model forecast page that plots positions from the other major models.

Remember that a 7-day forecast by even our best model will be off by an average of over 700 miles, so it is too early to tell what part of the U.S. might be most at risk from a strike by 97L. This weekend would be a good time to go over your hurricane preparedness.


Figure 4. Morning satellite image of Invest 98L off the coast of Africa.

Invest 98L near the coast of Africa
A tropical wave near the coast of Africa, a few hundred miles southeast of the Cape Verde Islands, is moving west to west-northwestward at 10 - 15 mph. This wave, designated Invest 98L by NHC yesterday, is large and well-organized, with a modest amount of spin and heavy thunderstorm activity. 98L will bring strong, gusty winds and heavy rains to the Cape Verde Islands today and Saturday as the storm skirts to the south. So far this morning, top sustained winds measured in the islands were 24 mph at Mindelo. Water temperatures are warm, near 27 - 28°C, and wind shear is low, 5 - 10 knots, so 98L should continue to organize today. NHC gave the storm a 50% chance of developing into a tropical depression in their 8am advisory. Once 98L passes to the west of the Cape Verde Islands, it has a long stretch of ocean to cross before it could affect any other land areas. Approximately 70 - 80% of all tropical cyclones that pass this close to the Cape Verde Islands end up curving out to sea and not affecting any other land areas, according to Dr. Bob Hart's excellent historical probability of landfall charts. The latest set of long-range model runs go along with this idea, but it is too early to be confident of this.

Jeff Masters
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2951. xtremeweathertracker 3:48 AM GMT on August 20, 2011    

Data is correlating...falling pressures, rising wind speeds!!!
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2952. atmoaggie 3:48 AM GMT on August 20, 2011    
Quoting ShenValleyFlyFish:
Military Surplus sites have some good airtight stuff. Might even be a place in your town/city.
Or a fire-proof box up high on a shelf.
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2953. Skyepony (Mod) 3:48 AM GMT on August 20, 2011    
Quoting Tazmanian:
is the recon done?


Yes.
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2954. nigel20 3:48 AM GMT on August 20, 2011    

Invest 97L
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2955. Relix 3:48 AM GMT on August 20, 2011    
97L has begun the process for tropical cyclone formation. Models will shift a bit to the north seeing as most had the center a bit to the south.... IF the surface circulation does form where the convection is forming now.
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2956. Huracaneer 3:49 AM GMT on August 20, 2011    
TexasGulf

Excellent list of suggestions, had never heard the Tiki torch idea before, will have to get some. Was also thinking that a few solar panels may be good to charge cell phones and such if the fuel runs out. This list sounds like it's from experience. The map idea it's good, but in Pinellas county, Fl your choices for getting our are rather limited, we could literally become an island (actually two islands) if a major hits.
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2957. xtremeweathertracker 3:49 AM GMT on August 20, 2011    
Quoting java162:
when are the huricane hunters scheduled to investigate 97l?

WEATHER RECONNAISSANCE FLIGHTS
CARCAH, NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER, MIAMI, FL.
1155 AM EDT FRI 19 AUGUST 2011
SUBJECT: TROPICAL CYCLONE PLAN OF THE DAY (TCPOD)
VALID 20/1100Z TO 21/1100Z AUGUST 2011
TCPOD NUMBER.....11-080

I. ATLANTIC REQUIREMENTS
1. SUSPECT AREA (APPROACHING LESSER ANTILLES)
FLIGHT ONE -- TEAL 71
A. 20/1800Z
B. AFXXX 01GGA INVEST
C. 20/1615Z
D. 15.3N 57.5W
E. 20/1730Z TO 20/2130Z
F. SFC TO 10,000 FT
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2958. aquak9 3:49 AM GMT on August 20, 2011    
Quoting LADobeLady:


I just talked to hubby and he is guessing that if it does form, they would start Phase 3 on Monday. It's so much work to get it all secure and people safely off the rig/platforms.


LaDobe!!!
I saw you post a coupla days ago, was hoping you'd show back up again. Good to see you my friend. (trying hard not to mention the "a" word, hahaha)
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2959. sunlinepr 3:49 AM GMT on August 20, 2011    
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2960. scott39 3:49 AM GMT on August 20, 2011    
Quoting mrsalagranny:
I will take the west side anyday of the week.
YES Mamm!!
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2961. dfwstormwatch 3:50 AM GMT on August 20, 2011    

33 hours out getting organized over the lesser Antilles
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2962. AtHomeInTX 3:50 AM GMT on August 20, 2011    
Quoting atmoaggie:
Aww, poor, lonely GFDL-Interpolated (with alternate vortex tracking):



What the heck are those models, you ask? Glad you did, the key: http://moe.met.fsu.edu/~acevans/models/models.htm l


First run I've seen all day. Forgive me if is been said a thousand times already. Wouldn't a track like that weaken a storm? Not wishing any ill will to the people of those Islands but a weaker storm is better than the monster I've seen depicted elsewhere.
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2963. ProgressivePulse 3:50 AM GMT on August 20, 2011    
Quoting java162:
when are the huricane hunters scheduled to investigate 97l?


Tomorrow Afternoon 18Z. (2pm EST)
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2964. rushisaband 3:50 AM GMT on August 20, 2011    
dropping in for a few ...well the models are still pretty tight on 97L. can't wait to get the planes out there in the mix. still needs a definitive llc though.
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2965. Skyepony (Mod) 3:51 AM GMT on August 20, 2011    
Quoting java162:
when are the huricane hunters scheduled to investigate 97l?


Maybe tomorrow afternoon.

1. SUSPECT AREA (APPROACHING LESSER ANTILLES)
FLIGHT ONE -- TEAL 71
A. 20/1800Z
B. AFXXX 01GGA INVEST
C. 20/1615Z
D. 15.3N 57.5W
E. 20/1730Z TO 20/2130Z
F. SFC TO 10,000 FT
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2966. GTcooliebai 3:51 AM GMT on August 20, 2011    
Quoting TampaSpin:


You ever been to Clearwater, St. Pete, and Tampa areas......It really does not matter as we all have beach fronts if a storm comes toward the bay......it really would not matter.
I live in the Largo/Indian Rocks Area, five min. away from the Beach actually, I still can't get why I'm not in an evacuation zone & my mom's workplace 2 min. away is in a low lying area & floods easily?
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2967. LADobeLady 3:51 AM GMT on August 20, 2011    
We just purchased a new emergency radio, crank style but it also has a plug to charge cell phones. We ordered it from Cabellas. Thought I would throw that out there since cell phone batteries don't last long during/aftermath of a storm. Great sound and clarity, a few cranks last a long time as far as the radio goes.
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2968. MiamiHurricanes09 3:52 AM GMT on August 20, 2011    
Just got my pizza delivery, now it's time to watch the 00z GFS roll in. lol
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2969. weathermanwannabe 3:53 AM GMT on August 20, 2011    
Quoting Skyepony:


That's 99L


Thanks....Looks pretty ominous to me at the moment but we shall see what happens with this one...It has cleared the CV Islands and lots of moisture around that one.
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2970. TampaSpin 3:53 AM GMT on August 20, 2011    
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2971. AllyBama 3:53 AM GMT on August 20, 2011    
Hey Aqua!
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2972. redwagon 3:53 AM GMT on August 20, 2011    
Also make sure lines of credit are enough to keep you in a hotel for a month. Open a revolving credit card account or have the ones you already have bump your max up a couple thousand.
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2973. Joanie38 3:53 AM GMT on August 20, 2011    
Quoting aquak9:
Good evening, fearless fly-by-nighters.

Too soon to say EEEK but I'm doing a lotta hmmmm'ing.


LOL aquak !! You make me laugh!! lol....

Hello everyone from Central Louisiana!:)
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2974. Grothar 3:53 AM GMT on August 20, 2011    
I posted this about 10:30 after Taz mentioned it. Looks like a good diurination.


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2975. dfwstormwatch 3:53 AM GMT on August 20, 2011    

39 hours out not even as strong as previous runs...
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2976. scott39 3:54 AM GMT on August 20, 2011    
Quoting MiamiHurricanes09:
Just got my pizza delivery, now it's time to watch the 00z GFS roll in.
Man you are wrong for throwing hot good pizza in our face! LOL I live out in the sticks and cant get delivery.
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2977. atmoaggie 3:54 AM GMT on August 20, 2011    
Quoting AtHomeInTX:


First run I've seen all day. Forgive me if is been said a thousand times already. Wouldn't a track like that weaken a storm? Not wishing any ill will to the people of those Islands but a weaker storm is better than the monster I've seen depicted elsewhere.
Yes, it would weaken a storm. But, under the ripe conditions were are looking at, only temporarily.
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2978. GTcooliebai 3:54 AM GMT on August 20, 2011    
In fact not all areas in Pinellas County are in an evacuation zone...

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2979. HimacaneBrees 3:54 AM GMT on August 20, 2011    
Quoting LADobeLady:


I just talked to hubby and he is guessing that if it does form, they would start Phase 3 on Monday. It's so much work to get it all secure and people safely off the rig/platforms.


Yup it takes us a while. Especially if we are drilling at the time. We are drilling atm, and are around 14,000 ft deep. it takes quite a while to lay all that pipe down, rig everything else down, and then get the rig in storm position before evacuation.
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2980. xtremeweathertracker 3:54 AM GMT on August 20, 2011    
If the GFS has its way 97L will become Jose....98L will be it to the punch and become Irene!!
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2981. brittcrowell 3:54 AM GMT on August 20, 2011    
So to all you numbers people, I didn't get my years since this many TSs without at hurricane numbers yet.

Bueller, Bueller, Bueller.
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2982. KoritheMan 3:54 AM GMT on August 20, 2011    
Quoting thunderbug91:
I know its way too early to tell now but just slinging out a "what if"... If 97L crosses W Cuba next week as a strong Cat 1 does anyone see another 2004 Charley?

I'm curious to see what other FL folks who remember 2004 think....


I would be surprised to see the trough dig that deep.
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2983. atmoaggie 3:54 AM GMT on August 20, 2011    
Quoting MiamiHurricanes09:
Just got my pizza delivery, now it's time to watch the 00z GFS roll in. lol
Thanks for sharing. Pass the crushed red pepper?
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2984. TampaSpin 3:55 AM GMT on August 20, 2011    
Quoting GTcooliebai:
I live in the Largo/Indian Rocks Area, five min. away from the Beach actually, I still can't get why I'm not in an evacuation zone & my mom's workplace 2 min. away is in a low lying area & floods easily?


I know that area well......you gotta be in a evac area......i'll put it to you like this....if a CAT4 comes over you.......don't be there!
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2985. scott39 3:55 AM GMT on August 20, 2011    
Quoting redwagon:
Also make sure lines of credit are enough to keep you in a hotel for a month. Open a revolving credit card account or have the ones you already have bump your max up a couple thousand.
Man I wish!
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2986. dfwstormwatch 3:56 AM GMT on August 20, 2011    
weak t.s 45 hours out
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2987. MiamiHurricanes09 3:56 AM GMT on August 20, 2011    
Quoting atmoaggie:
Thanks for sharing. Pass the crushed red pepper?
LOL! I got 2 green jalopeƱo's instead, but ehhh, good enough.
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2988. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod) 3:56 AM GMT on August 20, 2011    
POSS T.C.F.A.
XX/INV/98L/99L
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2989. aquak9 3:56 AM GMT on August 20, 2011    
(grabs a slice of MH's pizza...aww heck, grabs the box and passes it around to everyone)

Joanie, Ally, hi everyone. I see lotsa good suggestions being passed around. Hardest part? next few days, of watching, fretting, and waiting.

Them islands gonna make all the difference.
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2990. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod) 3:56 AM GMT on August 20, 2011    
T.C.F.A.
INV/XX/97L
MARK
14.69N/53.15W
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2991. EYEStoSEA 3:57 AM GMT on August 20, 2011    
Good night, all......till tomorrow :)

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2992. weatherman566 3:57 AM GMT on August 20, 2011    
I love how 0z GFS or any of the other models show us a 60mph tropical storm near Belize.......

Note the sarcasm....
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2993. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod) 3:57 AM GMT on August 20, 2011    
T.C.F.W.
08L/TS/H/CX
NEARING LANDFALL



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2994. weathermanwannabe 3:57 AM GMT on August 20, 2011    
2988. KEEPEROFTHEGATE 11:56 PM EDT on August 19, 2011

As always, Thank You for the timely graphic......
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2995. AllStar17 3:58 AM GMT on August 20, 2011    







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2996. AtHomeInTX 3:58 AM GMT on August 20, 2011    
Quoting atmoaggie:
Yes, it would weaken a storm. But, under the ripe conditions were are looking at, only temporarily.


Sigh. Ok thanks.
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2997. atmoaggie 3:58 AM GMT on August 20, 2011    
Quoting brittcrowell:
So to all you numbers people, I didn't get my years since this many TSs without at hurricane numbers yet.

Bueller, Bueller, Bueller.
Never, I think...
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2998. TampaSpin 3:58 AM GMT on August 20, 2011    
Quoting GTcooliebai:
In fact not all areas in Pinellas County are in an evacuation zone...




i certainly would not live anywhere in St. Pete/ Clearwater without evacuateing......let a Cat5 come through there and those maps would chenge really fast.
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2999. Huracaneer 3:59 AM GMT on August 20, 2011    
Quoting GTcooliebai:
In fact not all areas in Pinellas County are in an evacuation zone...


Hey,that map looks familiar! I'm in Largo near Indian Rocks Beach but in a non-evac zone (about 40 feet high). However during Charlie's evacuation I could clearly hear the sirens form the evacuation zones. Very creepy, will never forget it. Trying to get ready just in case, may drop by Home Depot and get some Tiki torches (good idea in an earlier post).
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3000. TStormSC 3:59 AM GMT on August 20, 2011    
TampaSpin: I certainly don't want anything bad to happen to the GoMexers out there, but we'd love a nice left hook to come through and fill a few lakes in NE GA and Upstate SC.
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3001. KoritheMan 3:59 AM GMT on August 20, 2011    
Quoting weatherman566:
I love how 0z GFS or any of the other models show us a 60mph tropical storm near Belize.......

Note the sarcasm....


Can you blame them? Small vortexes are very hard to recognize.
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