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Category 2 Irene Approaches The Bahamas
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 7:51 AM GMT on August 23, 2011 +19
As of 2am EDT, Hurricane Irene was located at 20.1N, 69.7W, 135 miles southeast of Grand Turk Island. It was moving west-northwest at 12 mph with maximum sustained winds of 100 mph, making it a Category 2 storm on the Saffir-Simpson scale. Irene has a minimum central pressure of 978 mb. Hurricane warnings have been issued for the northern coast of the Dominican Republic from the Haiti board to Cabo Engano, the southeastern and central Bahamas, and the Turks and Caicos islands. Hurricane watches have been posted for the north coast of Haiti from Le Mole, St. Nicholas to the Dominican border and the northwestern Bahamas. Tropical storm warnings are in effect for all of Haiti and the southern coast of the Dominican Republic from Cabo Engano to Santo Domingo.

5AM Update
As of 5am EDT, Hurricane Irene was located at 20.3N, 70.1W, 105 miles southeast of Grand Turk Island. It was moving west-northwest at 12 mph with maximum sustained winds of 100 mph, keeping it a Category 2 storm on the Saffir-Simpson scale. Irene has a minimum central pressure of 978 mb.

Figure 1 shows that Irene is maturing into a vigorous storm, with apparent waves in the western edge of the cirrus outflow.


Figure 1 IR satellite view of Irene taken at 135AM EDT, August 22, 2011

Track Forecast

Irene is forecast to move to the north-northwest, passing over all of the Bahama islands by Thursday evening, at which points it starts curving to the north. Irene is forecast to make landfall in the US near Wilmington, NC Saturday evening. However, it is important to note that this is not a definitive forecast, the average forecast error for day 5 is 250 miles. The timing of Irene's recurvature depends on how quickly several small troughs of low pressure in the Northeastern US move to the east. After Saturday, Irene may pose a threat to the mid-Atlantic coastline and locations further north, but it is too early to make a skillful forecast for those regions.

NHC is forecasting for Irene to become a major hurricane (winds faster than 110 mph), within 24 hours, then reaching peak intensity at 130 mph (Category 4 storm) by 8pm EDT Thursday evening.

Forecast models and adaptive observations
The different forecast models are in rough agreement until Irene nears the Carolinas. The dynamical hurricane forecasting models, GFDL and HWRF, have Irene making landfall near Charleston, SC. NGFDL (a variant of the GFDL that uses NOGAPS for background conditions) has landfall near Morehead City, NC, and the GFS has Irene crossing the Outer Banks. The UKMET forecast track splits the difference, placing Irene near Myrtle Beach, SC at landfall.

To reduce the model spread, and improve the track forecast error, the NOAA Gulfstream IV and an Air Force WC-130J have been flying dropsonde missions north of Irene. A dropsonde is an meteorological instrument package dropped from a plane that can tell you the vertical profile of temperature, pressure, moisture, and winds. By flying these missions, the dropsondes can improve all of the numerical weather prediction models initial picture of the atmospheres, which improves the forecast. Also, NHC has asked NWS offices in the southeastern US that launch weather balloons to do so every 6 hours instead of the normal 12 hour frequency.


Figure 2 Official track forecast of Irene as of 2am.

5AM update
The 00Z ECMWF forecast is available and Figure 3 shows the maximum wind speed over the next week for the eastern coast of the US. Green indicates tropical storm force winds, while yellow and orange are hurricane-force winds. The important thing is not to fixate on the predicted landfall location, but to see that Irene's winds will affect areas far away from landfall. The GFS, not shown, agrees with ECMWF that Irene will have a large area of tropical-storm force winds associated with it.

Figure 3 Maximum wind-speed in mph from the 00Z August 23 ECMWF forecast for the next week.

Impacts

In the immediate future, Irene is expected to have a significant impact on the Bahamas and surrounding islands. Hurricane force winds are forecast to reach the southeastern Bahamas and the Turks and Caicos sometime this afternoon or evening. These locations can also expect 5-10 inches of rain. Three to six inches of rain are forecast over northern Hispaniola, with isolated areas receiving up to 10 inches. This could lead to flash flooding and mudslides in mountaineous terrain. NHC is predicting a storm surge of 9-13 feet above normal tide level for the southeastern Bahamas and the Turks and Caicos.

Outside of the islands immediately impacted by Irene, it is my judgement that everybody living on the eastern coast of the US should monitor Irene and review their hurricane preparations over the next few days.

Dr. Masters will have a new blog entry this morning, and Angela Fritz will be covering the afternoon. I'll be back on third shift tonight.

Thanks for reading,

Dr. Rob Carver
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1251. cchsweatherman 3:25 PM GMT on August 23, 2011    
Quoting palmbaywhoo:


If this is true, will this bring a further west movement bringing the storm closer to our coast down the road?


Hard to say really.

Quoting charlottefl:


You can probably throw upwelling into the mix considering it's been over fairly shallow waters in the same area for a long period of time.


Good point there. Goes hand in hand with the slower motion of the storm.
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1252. Nolehead 3:25 PM GMT on August 23, 2011    

69Viking

Quoting Abacosurf:
That confirms the wobble to the WSW.


How does a storm go from 20.6N to 20.5N and the NHC in their advisory still says it's moving WNW??? Even if it's a wobble the movement from one advisory to the next was to the WSW, why lie about that? I'm goint to laugh if Irena misses the next trough, then who knows where she would end up. Not to mention that "thing" off the coast of Georgia, yep, this is getting to be a fun one to track
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yes it does!!
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1253. scCane 3:25 PM GMT on August 23, 2011    
Take note that Hispaniola most mountainous region is directly south of the center which is cutting off Irene's inflow. Once it passes the island it should start strengthening again.
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1254. whepton3 3:25 PM GMT on August 23, 2011    
Quoting Abacosurf:
LOL

That is funny...


Thought so too.. I liked the thing with the bowl... pretty good.
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1255. RussianWinter 3:26 PM GMT on August 23, 2011    
Quoting alvarig1263:
Everything going crazy! A wobble WSW, possible stalling, trough may not have enough time to pick Irene up, dry air affecting the center, RI still possible, and a blob off of NE FL. This is why I keep saying S FL your not in the clear yet. So many things can change with these crazy tropical systems. Just sayin...



I can understand the wobble and the dry air in the center....

But how come the other stuff wasn't picked up like the blob and the trough speed?
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1256. tiggeriffic 3:26 PM GMT on August 23, 2011    
Quoting GoWVU:
I am guessing by 5pm today Charleston will be out of the cone... Which is a good thing!!!


not if hispanolia weakens her a bit...could cause a slight shift back to the west...sorry...
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1258. Vero1 3:26 PM GMT on August 23, 2011    
Quoting rkay1:
FLORIDIANS OF THE BLOG! Give it a damn rest.  It's over. There is no West movement, no matter how much you pray to your raingods.  Get over the denial already, its tiresome. Your like that team behind by 10 runs in the 9th inning with 2 outs and still thinking you have a shot.



It is not over until it dissipates!
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1260. Waltanater 3:27 PM GMT on August 23, 2011    
Quoting zoomiami:


Just because you are reading all of the posts does not mean that others who can only check in once and a while can go back hundreds of posts to see whats going on.

Especially for those of us who sometimes can only use our phones to see what is going on.

First of all it wasn't "hundreds" of posts ago. Post 795, then again around 875. So I guess it is ok for someone to just "pop" in and ask a legitamate question and not run the risk of being sarcastically reamed by some dork on here to read the posts to find out! You're damned if you do and your damned if you don't!
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1261. Abacosurf 3:27 PM GMT on August 23, 2011    
Quoting TropicalXprt:


Wow.....You have zero knowledge of fluid dynamics.
Here you go...

Exactly fits my description to a tee.

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/surge/

I have seen the difference personally.

Why am I replying to a troll??
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1262. dmh1026 3:27 PM GMT on August 23, 2011    
Quoting cloudburst2011:



WELL SIR according to your definition of a fish storm we would never have one...if a storm stays out in the atlantic its going to hit land somewhere down the road whether it will be the azores or england its going to happen...so you better come up with a proper definition of a fish storm regarding the united states mainland...

Have you never seen a tropical cyclone stay in the Atlantic with no land interaction? I've seen plenty of them. I call them FISH storms as do most other's here.
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1263. SCwannabe 3:27 PM GMT on August 23, 2011    
Quoting tiggeriffic:


not if hispanolia weakens her a bit...could cause a slight shift back to the west...sorry...


I live in CHS and I'm still a bit nervous...
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1264. Buhdog 3:27 PM GMT on August 23, 2011    
Quoting rkay1:
Give the West casting a break.  That horse is dead.  Move on.




uhm did you see the latest fix? clearly you did not..if so you would agree wobble wobble. I just call it like i see it...don't get mad.
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1265. alvarig1263 3:27 PM GMT on August 23, 2011    
Quoting RussianWinter:


I can understand the wobble and the dry air in the center....

But how come the other stuff wasn't picked up like the blob and the trough speed?


Sorry, "picked up" by what?
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1266. 900MB 3:27 PM GMT on August 23, 2011    
Quoting scCane:
Take note that Hispaniola most mountainous region is directly south of the center which is cutting off Irene's inflow. Once it passes the island it should start strengthening again.


Agree.
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1267. E46Pilot 3:27 PM GMT on August 23, 2011    
Quoting 7544:
looks like we have a new player in the field the new blob now shows on the surface map this could make things more interestin so what effect will this have irene is anyones guess hope some one here can give us a hint she hasnt pulled a surpise yet but now she just might


Isn't that what happend to Jeanne, and what caused her to do the loop d loop.
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1268. stormpetrol 3:27 PM GMT on August 23, 2011    
Quoting 69Viking:


How does a storm go from 20.6N to 20.5N and the NHC in their advisory still says it's moving WNW??? Even if it's a wobble the movement from one advisory to the next was to the WSW, why lie about that? I'm goint to laugh if Irena misses the next trough, then who knows where she would end up. Not to mention that "thing" off the coast of Georgia, yep, this is getting to be a fun one to track!


Posted that awhile back , looks like some just can't handle the truth, not sayin it won't go where the NHC has forecasted it to, but why not be truthful about the direction, simple as that!
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1270. wolftribe2009 3:28 PM GMT on August 23, 2011    
"blob" not going to go north of Irene from what i see. It looks like the two will collide which that would be interesting. I think Irene would suck up the blob creature and eat it from dinner. Yet if the blob becomes a low and moves far enough west over Florida it would be the door open to turn the storm into the Carolinas.

That is what I am looking at. Wow the weather is unpredictable. Where was this blob yesterday lol?
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1271. Patrap 3:28 PM GMT on August 23, 2011    
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1272. alvarig1263 3:28 PM GMT on August 23, 2011    
Quoting rkay1:
SPECIAL UPDATE: The only way FLORIDA will be effected is if it detaches from America and floats about 250-300 miles East.


You never know... LOL!
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1273. HurricaneHunterJoe 3:28 PM GMT on August 23, 2011    
Quoting Nolehead:
looks like it might hit just a tad to the south of the next nhc mark...just dont see that big turn happening anytime soon...but it's just me..
which big turn?left? right?
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1274. TBird78 3:28 PM GMT on August 23, 2011    
I love watching people argue about the weather and predictions. It's like watching redneck cagefights!

It's ridiculous as hell but you can't turn away because it's hilarious!

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1276. AllStar17 3:29 PM GMT on August 23, 2011    
11:00am Advisory
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1277. cchsweatherman 3:29 PM GMT on August 23, 2011    
Quoting NICycloneChaser:


I think Irene may have weakened slightly, but it's still a hurricane IMO. Dropsonde in the NW eyewall found surface winds of 80mph. Will be interesting to see what is found in the NE eyewall. Not looking as impressive on satellite imagery.


Will be interesting to see what the NHC does with this new data showing significant weakening and deterioration of the inner structure of the hurricane in the next update.
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1278. charlottefl 3:29 PM GMT on August 23, 2011    
NEW STEERING MAP:


The AB high has once again nosed W slightly as well as changing orientation a bit. The trough appears to be trying to flatten as well. Texas ridge is roughly the same. No major changes but:

Link
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1279. Floodman 3:29 PM GMT on August 23, 2011    
Quoting SPLbeater:
I am getting fed up with the NHC, all this shifting. go from South Florida to barely scraping the NC coast! really wish they would admit they dont know where its going, geez...Irene is looking good though.


They plot their track as a consensus of model track and model track changes as the conditions change; what were your thoughts on how they did it? Should they stick to a track despite the fact that it's wrong? Or do you have a way of making a storm conform to a specific track?
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1280. NICycloneChaser 3:29 PM GMT on August 23, 2011    
Quoting 7544:
looks like we have a new player in the field the new blob now shows on the surface map this could make things more interestin so what effect will this have irene is anyones guess hope some one here can give us a hint she hasnt pulled a surpise yet but now she just might


I think the most likely outcome is that Irene attempts to absorb the low pressure blob. This could do anything to the track, it's very difficult to forecast.
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1281. presslord 3:29 PM GMT on August 23, 2011    
tigger...it looks like a reasonably safe bet this won't be a Charleston event...in fact, I think the biggest impact we're gonna feel is some flooding...as we will have high astronomical tides this weekend...
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1282. WxLogic 3:29 PM GMT on August 23, 2011    
Wide open for any northerly fluctuations:

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1283. Abacosurf 3:29 PM GMT on August 23, 2011    
Quoting TBird78:
I love watching people argue about the weather and predictions. It's like watching redneck cagefights!

It's ridiculous as hell but you can't turn away because it's hilarious!

LMAO
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1284. kimSCbeaches 3:29 PM GMT on August 23, 2011    
I have a flight planned for 5pm Friday night out of Myrtle Beach.... Anyone have any ideas on if that will happen or not? Our local forcast states possible tropical weather for that time.
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1285. wolftribe2009 3:29 PM GMT on August 23, 2011    
it should be noted that the "westward" motion is taking Irene into much warmer water. The area just east of south florida is extremely hot compared to areas further to the east.
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1286. Landfall2004 3:29 PM GMT on August 23, 2011    
Quoting rkay1:
SPECIAL UPDATE: The only way FLORIDA will be effected is if it detaches from America and floats about 250-300 miles East.


You, sir, obviously DIDN'T live thru JEANNE!
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1287. Patrap 3:29 PM GMT on August 23, 2011    
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1289. JimboUSMC17 3:30 PM GMT on August 23, 2011    
I don't think the storm will hit S. FL unless it makes some crazy drastic move, but I do think it will skirt the coast closer than they are predicting with the forcast path.
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1290. stillwaiting 3:30 PM GMT on August 23, 2011    
if she does weaken to a ts it would def effect the models as their expectingbher to be a major in the next 24hrs,big differnce in sterring a ts and a major,only time will tell,im guessing it wont happen and she'l go outto sea
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1291. tiggeriffic 3:30 PM GMT on August 23, 2011    
Quoting SCwannabe:


I live in CHS and I'm still a bit nervous...


im in Chas too...and will not start feeling better untill she is due east of me and still trucking... worried that hispanolia is gonna cause more shifts...and not only that...this thing is pretty big...even if she ran the coast and was 60 miles out we would still get some vicious storms for a while
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1292. farupnorth 3:30 PM GMT on August 23, 2011    
Looks like Irene is following in parallell the coastline of Hispaniola.

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1293. KennyNebraska 3:30 PM GMT on August 23, 2011    
The next forecast point for Irene seems too far north.

The 7 PM track might have SC under the gun.
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1294. SCwannabe 3:30 PM GMT on August 23, 2011    
Quoting wolftribe2009:
"blob" not going to go north of Irene from what i see. It looks like the two will collide which that would be interesting. I think Irene would suck up the blob creature and eat it from dinner. Yet if the blob becomes a low and moves far enough west over Florida it would be the door open to turn the storm into the Carolinas.

That is what I am looking at. Wow the weather is unpredictable. Where was this blob yesterday lol?


It's the result of a pretty big thunderstorm complex that came off shore last night, but looks like it might have detached from the front.
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1295. NICycloneChaser 3:31 PM GMT on August 23, 2011    
Quoting cchsweatherman:


Will be interesting to see what the NHC does with this new data showing significant weakening and deterioration of the inner structure of the hurricane in the next update.


I think they'll be reluctant to lower the wind speed, as it may make people complacent when in reality Irene could still strengthen a lot when it gets away from Hispaniola.
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1296. HurricaneHunterJoe 3:31 PM GMT on August 23, 2011    
Quoting Nolehead:

69Viking

Quoting Abacosurf:
That confirms the wobble to the WSW.


How does a storm go from 20.6N to 20.5N and the NHC in their advisory still says it's moving WNW??? Even if it's a wobble the movement from one advisory to the next was to the WSW, why lie about that? I'm goint to laugh if Irena misses the next trough, then who knows where she would end up. Not to mention that "thing" off the coast of Georgia, yep, this is getting to be a fun one to track
!


yes it does!!


maybe NHC just for got to put the S between the W's,since it's been wnw from the getgo pretty much
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1297. cchsweatherman 3:31 PM GMT on August 23, 2011    
Quoting cat5hurricane:

Latest IR isn't very promising for Irene as well. I see a significant drop, but probably will retain minimal hurricane strength (80mph).

But if recon is indeed finding that, then that is not out of the question too.


Seems quite reasonable. Would not surprise me to see further weakening throughout the day as the current storm motion as shown by the last few Hurricane Hunter fixes shows the storm closer to Hispanola and moving slower.
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1299. CaneHunter031472 3:32 PM GMT on August 23, 2011    
The guys at HAARP are probably working overtime. Good job guys you saved Florida. If only this was real and they could also save the Bahamas and NC.
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1301. canecast 3:32 PM GMT on August 23, 2011    
Quoting rkay1:
FLORIDIANS OF THE BLOG! Give it a damn rest. It's over. There is no West movement, no matter how much you pray to your raingods. Get over the denial already, its tiresome. Your like that team behind by 10 runs in the 9th inning with 2 outs and still thinking you have a shot.



I for take offense to the sports analogy. the storm may be over for Florida but never quit in sports.
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