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TD 13 intensifying; Katia may pass uncomfortably close to U.S.
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 3:28 PM GMT on September 02, 2011 +30
Tropical Depression Thirteen formed last night over the Northern Gulf of Mexico and is slowly intensifying, but isn't in a hurry to go anywhere. What TD 13 will do is dump torrential rains along the northern Gulf Coast over the next three or more days. So far, rain amounts along the coast have mostly been below one inch. At New Orleans Lakefront Airport, just 0.32" inches of rain had fallen from TD 13 as of 10 am CDT. Some coastal regions have received up to two inches, according to radar rainfall estimates. TD 13 is generating a large area of 30 - 35 mph winds over the Gulf of Mexico. At 7:20 am CDT, winds at the Mississippi Canyon 711 oil rig were southeast at 47 mph. This is above tropical storm force, but the wind instrument was 348 feet (106 m) above the ocean surface, and winds near the surface were probably considerably lower, near 35 mph. Latest surface wind observations from an Air Force hurricane hunter aircraft support leaving TD 13 as a tropical depression. Long range radar out of Mobile, Alabama shows heavy rain showers building along the northern Gulf Coast, but these rain showers are not well-organized into spiral bands. Strong upper-level winds out of the west-northwest are creating a moderate 10 - 20 knots of wind shear over TD 13, keeping the storm's heavy thunderstorms disorganized and pushed to the east side of the storm. However, latest satelllite loops show TD 13 is becoming increasingly organized, with a respectable spiral band forming on the southeast side, and an increase and areal coverage of heavy thunderstorm activity. This is very likely to be a tropical storm later today.


Figure 1. Radar-estimated rainfall from TD 13 from the New Orleans radar.


Figure 2. U.S. drought conditions on August 30. The rains from TD 13 have the potential to bring major drought relief to drought-stricken portions of the coast. Note how Eastern North Carolina is no longer in drought, thanks to the rains from Hurricane Irene. These rains also came close to putting out a persistent fire that had been burning in the Great Dismal Swamp near the Virginia/North Carolina border. Image Credit: U.S. Drought Monitor.

Forecast for TD 13
TD 13's large size, ill-formed circulation center, and the presence of dry air on its west side due to an upper-level trough of low pressure argue against rapid intensification of the storm for the next three days. Also tending to slow intensification will be the slow movement of the storm, which will allow cold water from the depths to rise to the surface, thanks to wind and wave action. Tropical cyclones strongly cool the water's surface when they pass over it, as seen in the time vs. depth chart of sea surface temperatures during Hurricane Irene's passage along the New Jersey coast (Figure 3.) However, the Gulf of Mexico has some very warm waters near TD 13 that extend to great depth (Figure 4), so the surface cooling imparted by TD 13 will be less than that seen for Hurricane Irene. As TD 13 moves closer to the coast, more and more of its circulation will be over land, which will also slow intensification. NHC's 11 am EDT wind probability forecast for TD 13 gave the storm a 23% chance of intensifying into a hurricane by Sunday. Assuming TD 13 does not attain hurricane strength, wind damage and storm surge damage will likely not be the main concern--fresh water flooding from heavy rains will be the most dangerous impact. Also of concern is the possibility of tornadoes. NOAA's Storm Prediction Center is currently not highlighting the Gulf Coast in their "slight risk" area for severe weather, due to the lack of enough solar heating to create instability. However, there will be plenty of wind shear in the lower part of the atmosphere that can potentially create spin in the coastal thunderstorms, and it is possible that as TD 13 intensifies, it may be able to generate several dozen tornadoes.

Coastal Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, and the extreme western Panhandle of Florida will likely receive very heavy flooding rains that will intensify Saturday and peak on Sunday. These rains should be able to put out the stubborn marsh fire east of New Orleans that has brought several days of air quality alerts to the city, but may cause moderate to severe flooding problems in other areas. The latest rainfall forecast from NOAA Hydrological Prediction Center shows that a large area of 15+ inches of rain is expected over Southeast Louisiana and coastal Mississippi. The region is under moderate drought, so flooding problems will be delayed compared to what we'd normally expect from heavy rains of over a foot. Flash flood watches are posted for New Orleans and surrounding areas, and rainfall amounts of 1 - 3 inches per hour are possible in some of the heavier rain squalls. Ocean temperatures are near record warmth, 88°F (31°C), which will provide plenty of moisture for heavy rains, and plenty of energy to help TD 13 strengthen into a strong tropical storm. Steering currents will be weak in the Gulf this weekend and early next week, which will likely make the motion of TD 13 erratic at times.


Figure 3. EPA, in conjunction with Rutgers University and the NJ Department of Environmental Protection, has an Autonomous Underwater Vehicle (AUV, aka the Glider) deployed off the coast of NJ (since early August) continuously monitoring ocean temperature, density, salinity, sound velocity and dissolved oxygen at different depths. The AUV's path and data are displayed at the following website: http://marine.rutgers.edu/cool/auvs/index.php?did =221&view=imagery. The plot of temperature versus time above shows that in the weeks prior to the arrival of Irene, the ocean was heavily stratified, with warm waters of 24 - 26°C (75 - 79°F, red colors) extending from the surface to a depth of 10 - 15 meters. A sharp thermocline existed at a depth of about 15 meters, and ocean temperatures were colder than 14°C (57°F, dark blue colors) below the thermocline. The strong winds and high wave action of Hurricane Irene on August 28 - 29 stirred up cold water from the depths to the surface, cooling the surface waters to 17 - 19°C (63 - 67°F). In the days since the hurricane, surface waters have begun to warm again. Thanks go to Kevin Kubik, Deputy Director of the Division of Environmental Science and Assessment for EPA Region 2, for making me aware of this data.


Figure 4. The total amount of heat energy in the ocean available to fuel a tropical cyclone, in kilojoules per square centimeter of surface area. Tropical cyclones that move over ocean areas with TCHP values in excess of 70 - 90 kJ/cm^2 commonly undergo rapid intensification. Waters that are warm to a great depth have the highest TCHP, and the Loop Current that brings warm water northwards from the Caribbean to the Gulf of Mexico usually has the highest TCHP values in the Atlantic. Currently, we have an eddy that broke off from the Loop Current earlier this summer, now located a few hundred miles south of the Louisiana coast, that also has high TCHP values. Image Credit: NOAA/AOML.

Hurricane Katia
Hurricane Katia is continuing its long trek across the Atlantic Ocean today, and will not pose a danger to any land areas over the next five days. Katia is still struggling with dry air and moderate wind shear of 10 - 20 knots. Latest satellite loops show surface-based arc-shaped clouds racing to the southwest away from Katia's core, a sign that dry air is penetrating into Katia's thunderstorms and creating strong downdrafts that are robbing the storm of heat and moisture. Katia is over warm ocean waters of 28.5°C, and these waters will increase in temperature to 29°C over the next five days. Katia will pass well north of the region of cooler waters stirred up by the passage of Hurricane Irene last week.

The models are split on when the upper-level trough of low pressure bringing the wind shear to Katia will move away, and the storm may spend two more days battling wind shear and dry air before the upper-level trough pulls away to the north and allows Katia to intensify more readily. It is still unclear how much of a threat Katia may pose to the U.S., but it is becoming increasingly clear that Katia will pass uncomfortably close to the U.S. East Coast. The trough of low pressure currently steering Katia to the northwest will lift out early next week, and a ridge of high pressure is expected to build in, forcing Katia more to the west. This decreases the danger to Bermuda, but increases the danger to the U.S. A second trough of low pressure is expected to begin affecting Katia by the middle of next week, and will potentially recurve the storm out to sea before it hits the U.S. However, the models differ widely on the strength and timing of this trough. Meteorologist Grant Elliot of Australia's Bureau of Meteorology in Perth pointed out to me yesterday that the long-range forecast for Katia has more than the usual amount of uncertainty, due to the inability of the computer models to agree on what will happen to Tropical Storm Talas in the Western Pacific. Talas is expected to hit Japan early on Saturday as a strong tropical storm, then race northwestwards into the Bering Sea off the coast of Alaska. Talas is then expected to transition into a powerful extratropical storm in the waters south of Alaska. This storm will create a ripple effect downstream in the jet stream, all the way to North America, by early next week. The timing and amplitude of the trough of low pressure off the U.S. East Coast expected to potentially recurve Katia out to sea next week is highly dependent upon the strength of Tropical Storm Talas during its transition to an extratropical storm. The computer models are not very good at handling these sorts of transitions, leading to more than the usual amount of uncertainty in the long-range outlook for Katia. It will probably be another 2 - 3 days before the models will begin to converge on a solution for the long-term fate of Katia. Dr. Bob Hart's Historical Tropical Cyclone Probability web page suggests shows that tropical storms in Katia's current position have a 17% chance of hitting North Carolina, a 21% chance of hitting Canada, a 13% chance of hitting New England, and a 55% chance of never hitting land. One almost certain impact of Katia on the U.S. will be large waves. Long period swells from Katia will begin affecting the Bahamas on Sunday night, then reach the Southeast U.S. by Monday morning. By Tuesday morning, the entire U.S. East Coast will see high surf from Katia, and these waves will increase in size and power as the storm grows closer. Given the slow movement of Katia as it approaches the coast, plus its expected Category 1 to 3 strength as it approaches, the storm will probably cause extensive beach erosion and dangerous rip tides for many days.

94L
A well-organized low pressure system with a surface circulation but limited heavy thunderstorm activity due to high wind shear is 450 miles south of Halifax, Canada. This disturbance, (94L), is headed northeast out to sea, and is being given a 60% chance of developing into a tropical depression by NHC. 94L is under a high 25 - 30 knots of wind shear, but this shear is expected to fall to the moderate range, 10 - 20 knots, by Saturday morning. However, sea surface temperature will fall from 27°C today to 25°C Saturday morning underneath 94L, and the storm will have a very short window of time to get organized enough to get a name. At this point, it's really a subjective judgement call on whether or not 94L is already a tropical storm.


Figure 5. A Portlight volunteer works to clear storm debris from Hurricane Irene in Hollywood, Maryland.

Portlight disaster relief effort in Maryland
Hurricane Irene heavily damaged the town of Hollywood, Maryland, when a tornado cut off electric power, water, and phone service. Portlight and Team Rubicon volunteers arrived before emergency personnel, after following up on a local tip. What they found was an isolated area whose plight was unknown to the larger community. Most residents were trapped at their homes by heavy debris. Portlight and Team Rubicon worked for two days to clear paths to each address, extract vehicles from debris, and cut down trees that constituted safety hazards. Portlight also instructed local residents how to operate and maintain chainsaws and safely clear debris. No other volunteer organizations or emergency personnel arrived at any time, and Portlight succeeded in meeting the specific needs of the underserved, unserved, and forgotten. Visit the Portlight blog to learn more; donations are always welcome.

I'll have a new post each morning over the coming holiday weekend; wunderground meteorologists Angela Fritz, Rob Carver, and Shaun Tanner will be handling the afternoon and evening posts. Have a great holiday weekend, everyone!

Jeff Masters
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2601. truecajun 2:58 AM GMT on September 03, 2011    
We were successful! He concedes. The image of delivering a baby on the basin bridge was the trick. LOL
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2602. WeatherNerdPR 2:58 AM GMT on September 03, 2011    
Hmm...is that a TS Watch?
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2603. VAbeachhurricanes 2:58 AM GMT on September 03, 2011    


this is FALSE
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2604. HoustonTxGal 2:58 AM GMT on September 03, 2011    
Quoting Patrap:


LIES!! it is all lies!! I have not seen a darn drop of rain.
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2605. aspectre 2:59 AM GMT on September 03, 2011    
Click to see the 3Sept_12amGMT mapping for TS.Lee

17.9n52.7w have been re-evaluated&altered for H.Katia's_12amGMT_ATCF
17.9n53.0w, 18.3n53.9w are now the most recent positions
Starting 2Sept_12amGMT and ending 3Sept_12amGMT

The 4 eastern line-segments represent HurricaneKatia's path
and the westernmost line-segment is the straightline projection.

Using straightline projection of the travel-speed&heading derived from the
ATCF coordinates spanning the 6hours between 6pmGMT then 12amGMT :
H.Katia's travel-speed was 10.8mph(17.4k/h) on a heading of 295.1degrees(WNW)
H.Katia was headed toward passage over WilsonCity,GreatAbaco,Bahamas ~5days22hours from now

Copy&paste 16.2n50.0w-16.9n51.3w, 16.9n51.3w-17.4n52.1w, 17.4n52.1w-17.9n53.0w, 17.9n53.0w-18.3n53.9w, mhh, 17.9n53.0w-26.38n77.0w into the GreatCircleMapper for more info

The previous mapping (for 2Sept_6pmGMT)
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2606. TampaSpin 2:59 AM GMT on September 03, 2011    
Quoting HoustonTxGal:
Is it still raining in New Orleans????


I believe it still may be raining in New Orleans....can we confirm this please....LOL
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2607. xcool 2:59 AM GMT on September 03, 2011    
999MB at oil platform
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2608. GTcooliebai 2:59 AM GMT on September 03, 2011    
Get Clearwater1 a drink, for calling NW @ 12.
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2609. Patrap 2:59 AM GMT on September 03, 2011    




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2610. EYEStoSEA 2:59 AM GMT on September 03, 2011    
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2611. WeatherNerdPR 3:00 AM GMT on September 03, 2011    
SATALLITE...SURFACE...AND RECONNAISSANCE AIRCRAFT DATA INDICATE THAT
LEE HAS BEEN MOVING SLOWLY NORTHWARD THIS EVENING. THE CENTER IS
LOCATED TO THE SOUTHWEST OF A BURST OF DEEP CONVECTION THAT
DEVELOPED LATE THIS AFTERNOON AND HAS BEEN EXPANDING IN SIZE THIS
EVENING. WIND REPORTS FROM BUOYS AND OIL RIGS OVER THE GULF AND
DATA FROM THE AIRCRAFT INDICATE THAT INTENSITY OF THE TROPICAL
STORM REMAINS AROUND 40 KT.
NHC FAIL
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2612. Dennis8 3:00 AM GMT on September 03, 2011    
Quoting WaterWitch11:


That's funny
Quoting WaterWitch11:


That's funny


ROFLMAO
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2613. Joanie38 3:00 AM GMT on September 03, 2011    
Hey everyone,, I am in Rapides Parish in Central Louisiana ( smack dab in da middle! lol) What do yall think about the impacts in Central Louisiana? I am in Alexandria, LA....TIA
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2614. keithneese 3:00 AM GMT on September 03, 2011    
First real hard rain of the day here in Mobile. Just outside of Tillman's Corner. Not much wind in this cell, but a heavy steady downpour.
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2615. xcool 3:01 AM GMT on September 03, 2011    
TS Lee not moving much
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2616. JupiterFL 3:02 AM GMT on September 03, 2011    
Quoting WeatherNerdPR:
Hmm...is that a TS Watch?


This must be a misprint. I am pretty sure in biology class that orange area was closer to the panhandle.
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2617. kmanislander 3:03 AM GMT on September 03, 2011    
Katia

18.4 N and 53.5 W at 5 pm

18.5 N and 54.3 W at 11

How does this equal NW ??
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2618. atmoaggie 3:03 AM GMT on September 03, 2011    
Quoting LouisianaWoman:
I wouldn't---TrueCajun. The basin bridge has next to no shoulder. Add in poor visability, gusty winds, and possible torrential downpours at any give minute, and you're building a recipe for disaster. Better to play it safe, hon.
Though, I'm not sure the trip is a good idea, myself, but if you have no choice...

If nothing else, maybe take 190. The trees will help break up any wind (though they are far enough to be a non-threat), a LOT more shoulder, and less traffic to stack up should there be an issue.

But, then you arrive in a not-splendid part of BR rather late at night.
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2619. hahaguy 3:03 AM GMT on September 03, 2011    
Quoting kmanislander:
Katia

18.4 N and 53.5 W at 5 pm

18.5 N and 54.3 W at 11

How does this equal NW ??

Is she still moving west?
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2620. stormpetrol 3:03 AM GMT on September 03, 2011    
While models are met for guidance, they r not completely accurate, the NHC is completely hung up on models IMO, though admittingly they usually pan out in the long run, but to put Katia as moving NW for now is completely false! Like it or not!
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2621. HurricaneHunterJoe 3:04 AM GMT on September 03, 2011    
Quoting WeatherNerdPR:

Look at the map P451 posted. See the wind barbs rounding around the vortex fixes? Closed circulation.


isnt that a bit of a stretch? those are like 50-100miles apart?? lets call it a very broad vortex? wow
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2623. Clearwater1 3:04 AM GMT on September 03, 2011    
Quoting GTcooliebai:
Get Clearwater1 a drink, for calling NW @ 12.
Thank you, Bourbon and water please.
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2624. justalurker 3:04 AM GMT on September 03, 2011    
I posted this earlier..too much similarity of paths!

and I'm not a westcaster, just posting a possibility.






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2625. CosmicEvents 3:04 AM GMT on September 03, 2011    
Quoting truecajun:
We were successful! He concedes. The image of delivering a baby on the basin bridge was the trick. LOL
lol.....good.
If he makes another squeek mention to him that the pressure dropping from a cyclone getting closer...can induce labor. That'll seal the deal.
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2626. kmanislander 3:04 AM GMT on September 03, 2011    
Quoting hahaguy:

Is she still moving west?


For the last 6 hours absolutely. The coordinates speak for themselves.
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2627. Patrap 3:04 AM GMT on September 03, 2011    
Quoting rushisaband:



same ole blog tonite pat?


Yup...



One on a Bench, one on a Motorcycle,,Same State.. LOL

Imagine dat?
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2628. Seastep 3:04 AM GMT on September 03, 2011    
Quoting kmanislander:
Katia

18.4 N and 53.5 W at 5 pm

18.5 N and 54.3 W at 11

How does this equal NW ??


It doesn't.
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2629. FranAteMyRoof96 3:05 AM GMT on September 03, 2011    
doesn't look like NW movement

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2630. Relix 3:05 AM GMT on September 03, 2011    
Quoting kmanislander:
Katia

18.4 N and 53.5 W at 5 pm

18.5 N and 54.3 W at 11

How does this equal NW ??


NHC consistency strikes back? XD!
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2631. keithneese 3:05 AM GMT on September 03, 2011    
Tropical storm warning now to the AL/FL state line. Watch east of that to Destin.
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2632. truecajun 3:05 AM GMT on September 03, 2011    
Quoting atmoaggie:
Though, I'm not sure the trip is a good idea, myself, but if you have no choice...

If nothing else, maybe take 190. The trees will help break up any wind (though they are far enough to be a non-threat), a LOT more shoulder, and less traffic to stack up should there be an issue.

But, then you arrive in a not-splendid part of BR rather late at night.


Nah. We're staying home. I'm not fond of the 190 drive rain or shine. It seems soooo slow
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2633. TampaSpin 3:05 AM GMT on September 03, 2011    
Quoting xcool:
TS Lee not moving much


Now how do you know that.....are you floating around in your rubber ducky raft.....or did you see those NEEDED graphics to let others that might just be coming on to see how hard it is raining. Patrap is doing a fine job. Considering the state that NO under....he can post whatever he deems important to help others.
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2634. Patrap 3:05 AM GMT on September 03, 2011    
Later, Gators and Gals.



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2635. rushisaband 3:05 AM GMT on September 03, 2011    
Lopsided Lee sure is bringing it with the water for sure. btw ... TS & PAT ... Good late evening to you
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2636. hotrods 3:06 AM GMT on September 03, 2011    
movement on katia doesn't sound right! looks more wnw or even a tad south.
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2637. tiggeriffic 3:06 AM GMT on September 03, 2011    
Quoting stormpetrol:
While models are met for guidance, they r not completely accurate, the NHC is completely hung up on models IMO, though admittingly they usually pan out in the long run, but to put Katia as moving NW for now is completely false! Like it or not!


ummmmm yep...makes me wonder if it is done deliberately or if they really need someone to start proofreading before they click the <--enter button when posting
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2639. EYEStoSEA 3:07 AM GMT on September 03, 2011    
Quoting xcool:
TS Lee not moving much


Try to stay dry down there, xcool :) Think I may be getting out from under the cone.....moving more toward Bama...they say...
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2640. TampaSpin 3:07 AM GMT on September 03, 2011    
Quoting Patrap:


Yup...



One on a Bench, one on a Motorcycle,,Same State.. LOL

Imagine dat?



OK i just take back the other post i just posted you But......He_D!
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2641. atmoaggie 3:08 AM GMT on September 03, 2011    
Between Covington and BR today (well, in Central, currently). We've had enough rain to saturate soils.
Now, any wind event better than a 30 mph gust will probably lead to uprooted trees, where susceptible.
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2642. truecajun 3:08 AM GMT on September 03, 2011    
Quoting CosmicEvents:
lol.....good.
If he makes another squeek mention to him that the pressure dropping from a cyclone getting closer...can induce labor. That'll seal the deal.


LOL! I tried to convince him that a full moon brought on labor with our last baby in order to skip a football game. Some say it does. That didn't work, but stranded on the basin is a winner!
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2643. MiamiHurricanes09 3:08 AM GMT on September 03, 2011    
I see Avila didn't mention anything on the recent halt in forward motion associated with Katia. Guess we'll have to wait until morning to truly know if a stall has occurred/is occurring.
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2644. kmanislander 3:08 AM GMT on September 03, 2011    
Quoting Relix:


NHC consistency strikes back? XD!


I have seen the NHC say " moving" in a certain direction even when the system isn't doing that but where they expect it to go that way shortly or resume that track. That could be the only explanation for this IMO. Otherwsie, there is no NW in those coordinates. More like 275 to 280 degrees
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2645. tiggeriffic 3:08 AM GMT on September 03, 2011    
Quoting CosmicEvents:
lol.....good.
If he makes another squeek mention to him that the pressure dropping from a cyclone getting closer...can induce labor. That'll seal the deal.


in charleston when Irene was initially a threat, all women 32 weeks along and further were all called by their primary hospitals of choice and told that if we were going to take the hit here that they were to ck into the hospital 24 hours before landfall as the pressure drop can be an onset for labor
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2646. MississippiWx 3:09 AM GMT on September 03, 2011    
I see the NHC bashers are out in full force tonight.
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2647. GPTGUY 3:09 AM GMT on September 03, 2011    
3.02" of rain measured by my weather station so far here north of I-10 in Gulfport, MS.
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2648. Drakoen 3:10 AM GMT on September 03, 2011    
Quoting kmanislander:
Katia

18.4 N and 53.5 W at 5 pm

18.5 N and 54.3 W at 11

How does this equal NW ??


Avila's protractor is broken.
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2649. atmoaggie 3:10 AM GMT on September 03, 2011    
Quoting truecajun:


Nah. We're staying home. I'm not fond of the 190 drive rain or shine. It seems soooo slow
Oh, good.

I was going to add on: taking 415 to avoid that part of BR 190 dumps you in...
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2650. Joshfsu123 3:10 AM GMT on September 03, 2011    
Quoting kmanislander:
Katia

18.4 N and 53.5 W at 5 pm

18.5 N and 54.3 W at 11

How does this equal NW ??



It doesn't - and she's probably a Tropical Storm, not a Hurricane. If she stays weak, she will move more west. Hopefully the UKMET model doesn't verify (probably won't)... but I could see it if she doesn't strengthen in the next few days.
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2651. xcool 3:10 AM GMT on September 03, 2011    
TampaSpin :)
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