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Tropical Storm Lee moving ashore; Katia continues northwest
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 1:53 PM GMT on September 03, 2011 +19
Tropical Storm Lee is marching steadily northwards towards landfall in Louisiana, and continues to slowly intensify. The storm's central pressure is now down to 993 mb, as measured by an Air Force hurricane hunter aircraft at 7am CDT. However, the center of Lee is now very close to the coast, and the storm doesn't have much time to intensify further before the center moves over land. The main impact from the storm on the coast thus far has been heavy rains. At New Orleans Lakefront Airport, 5.88" inches of rain had fallen from Lee as of 8 am CDT this morning. Top winds were 35 mph, gusting to 55 mph. Though Lee's top winds are rated as being 60 mph, it is difficult to find any land stations that have reported sustained winds of tropical storm force, 39 mph or greater. One station that has is at the tip of the Mississippi River Delta, where Southwest Pass measured sustained winds of 40 mph, gusting to 58 mph, at 7:03 am CDT. Upper-level winds out of the southwest are creating a moderate 10 - 20 knots of wind shear over Lee, keeping the storm's heavy thunderstorms pushed to the east side of the storm. Latest satelllite loops show Lee is becoming increasingly organized.


Figure 1. Radar-estimated rainfall from Lee from the New Orleans radar. Lee has dumped a large region of 4 - 8 inches so far (orange colors.)


Figure 2. Predicted rainfall for the 5-day period ending at 8 am EDT Thursday Sep 8, 2011. Lee is expected to bring a large swath of 4+ inches of rain all the way to New England. Image credit: NOAA/HPC.

Forecast for Lee
Lee's large size, ill-formed circulation center, and the presence of dry air on its west side due to an upper-level trough of low pressure make Lee look a lot like a subtropical storm on satellite imagery, with a broad center and the majority of the heavy thunderstorms in a broad band well removed from the center. Subtropical storms can undergo only relatively modest rates of intensification, and Lee is unlikely to become a hurricane. Also tending to slow intensification will be the fact that much of its circulation is over land. Damages from Lee are likely to be less than $100 - $200 million, with the greatest threats being fresh water flooding from heavy rains. Given that much of the region Lee will traverse over the next few days is under moderate to severe drought, the storm's rains may cause more economic benefit than damage. Since Texas is on the dry side of the storm, that state will see very little rainfall from Lee, except very close to the border with Louisiana. The rains from Lee appear to have mostly ended across extreme southern Louisiana, so the feared 10 - 15 inches of rain does not look like it will materialize there. One possible concern for Lee's rains will be the mid-Atlantic and Northeast, where recovery efforts from the devastating flooding due to Hurricane Irene may be hampered by the additional 2 - 4 inches that may fall from Lee's remnants by the middle of the week.Tornadoes from Lee are potential hazard today, as NOAA's Storm Prediction Center is highlighting the Northern Gulf Coast in their "slight risk" area for severe weather. A tornado watch is posted for the region, but no tornadoes have been reported as of 8 am CDT.

Lee is the 12th named storm this year, and came eight days before the half-way point of the Atlantic hurricane season. Climatologically, September 10 marks the half-way point. A typical hurricane season has just 10 - 11 named storms, so we've already had more than a whole season's worth of storms before reaching the half-way point. At this rate, 2011 will see 24 - 26 named storms, making it the 2nd busiest season on record, behind 2005. Lee's formation date of September 2 puts 2011 in 5th place for earliest date of arrival of the season's 12th storm. Only 2005, 1995, 1936, and 1933 had an earlier 12th storm.

Hurricane Katia
The latest set of model runs show very little change in the outlook for Hurricane Katia. Katia will continue its long trek across the Atlantic Ocean, and will not pose a danger to any land areas over the next five days. Katia is still struggling with dry air and wind shear that has risen to a high 20 - 25 knots. Latest satellite loops show a lopsided hurricane that is suffering from the impacts of dry air and wind shear on its southwest side.

The models now agree that the upper-level trough of low pressure bringing the wind shear to Katia will move away by Sunday, putting Katia in an environment with low to moderate wind shear. At the same time, ocean temperatures will warm to 29°C, a full 0.5°C over what Katia is experiencing today. These effects should allow Katia to intensify to a Category 2 hurricane by Monday. It is still unclear how much of a threat Katia may pose to the U.S., as this depends on the strength and timing of a trough of low pressure predicted to move off the U.S. East Coast 5 - 7 days from now. Our models do not have enough skill to predict how the steering currents will behave that far into the future. As I mentioned in yesterday's post, part of the problem is due to the inability of the computer models to agree on what will happen to Tropical Storm Talas in the Western Pacific. Talas hit Japan early on Saturday as a strong tropical storm, and is racing northwestwards towards Alaska. Talas is expected to transition into a powerful extratropical storm in the waters south of Alaska early next week. This extratropical storm will create a ripple effect downstream in the jet stream, all the way to North America, affecting the trough of low pressure off the U.S. East Coast expected to potentially recurve Katia when it approaches the U.S. The computer models are not very good at handling these sorts of interactions, leading to more than the usual amount of uncertainty in the long-range outlook for Katia. It will probably be another two days before the models will converge on a solution for the long-term fate of Katia. It's a good bet that locations on the U.S. coast south of North Carolina are in the clear, but residents from North Carolina to New England need to watch Katia. Dr. Bob Hart's Historical Tropical Cyclone Probability web page suggests shows that tropical storms in Katia's current position have a 15% chance of hitting North Carolina, a 22% chance of hitting Canada, a 12% chance of hitting New England, and a 58% chance of never hitting land. One almost certain impact of Katia on the U.S. will be large waves. Long period swells from Katia will begin affecting the Bahamas on Sunday night, then reach the Southeast U.S. by Monday morning. By Tuesday morning, the entire U.S. East Coast will see high surf from Katia, and these waves will increase in size and power as the storm grows closer. Given the slow movement of Katia as it approaches the coast, plus its expected Category 1 to 3 strength as it approaches, the storm will probably cause extensive beach erosion and dangerous rip tides for many days.


Figure 3. Satellite image of Tropical Storm Talas taken September 2, 2011, as the storm approached Japan. Image credit: NASA.

Jeff Masters
So far 4 (minou)
We're in a Lee-lull at the moment but winds have been strong and gusty this morning with blowing rain at times. I had to don my gullashes and wander around the overhang!
So far 4
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2051. Tazmanian 1:07 AM GMT on September 04, 2011    
looks like Katia is moveing a little W
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2052. MiamiHurricanes09 1:07 AM GMT on September 04, 2011    
Quoting Tropicsweatherpr:
Latest microwave of Katia.

Finally got an eyewall to close off. If you look on that same microwave image though, a pocket of dry air lies to the northwest of the circulation (clearly visible on satellite imagery as well). Until it mixes that out, an eye probably won't be visible on satellite.
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2053. franck 1:07 AM GMT on September 04, 2011    
Quoting HoustonTxGal:

Texas= 696200 km2

France=674834 km2


Unfortunately, Texas along same latitude as Libya; France = Nova Scotia.
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2055. CaneHunter031472 1:08 AM GMT on September 04, 2011    
Jim cantore is in Bay St. Louis Mississippi now, so although the center is of the Coast of LA you can get an idea of where the high winds are.
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2056. Tazmanian 1:08 AM GMT on September 04, 2011    
Quoting P451:


Have no put any thought into it. Was so busy watching Lee and sometimes Katia.

Never revisited the idea of future storms past those few whacky GFS runs that had several waves developing into storms on Katia's heels.

I would suggest the wave that is off of Africa (24) is one of those waves.

It doesn't seem to be in a hurry to develop however does it?

The other wave further along (22) seems to be in too hostile an environment.




ok
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2058. scott39 1:08 AM GMT on September 04, 2011    
Quoting beell:
The models are keeping with my consistent theme of keeping the surface circulation captured by and rotating around the periphery of the upper low/trough. It was always a possibility I guess. One that I thought was a low probability.

18Z GFS 200mb
Valid 18Z Sunday.
click

Captured and then track where? TIA
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2060. franck 1:09 AM GMT on September 04, 2011    
Quoting Tazmanian:
looks like Katia is moveing a little W

Correctamente.
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2061. SPLbeater 1:09 AM GMT on September 04, 2011    

Katia looks better,i would have 75 back at 11 PM
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2062. 5Rockets 1:10 AM GMT on September 04, 2011    
Quoting washingtonian115:
Soooo what does that mean?


Well, here's better info on Katia. It will hit around the N. Carolina/Virginia border, that's what the graphs from NHC, TWC, and Wunderground say.
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2063. HoustonTxGal 1:11 AM GMT on September 04, 2011    
Quoting CosmicEvents:
I just checked.
Texas is 30% bigger than France!
Take that France!
And that's just one of our states.
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The full size of France includes it's territories and Islands that it owns. It would be nice if Texas had islands of it's own. They could ship Perry to one.


Well, we do have Galveston Island and Padre Island , Dagger Island, Pelican Island to name a few
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2064. stormpetrol 1:11 AM GMT on September 04, 2011    
Quoting Tazmanian:
looks like Katia is moveing a little W


Taz, be careful how you say that , you might get labelled a westcaster J/K , how r ya Taz?
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2065. ncstorm 1:11 AM GMT on September 04, 2011    
12Z EURO ENSEMBLES Katia

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2066. Remek 1:13 AM GMT on September 04, 2011    
Quoting Matt1989:

Models


Now, Lee, you follow that GFDL track, y'hear? Good boy!
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2067. beell 1:14 AM GMT on September 04, 2011    
Quoting CosmicEvents:
I just checked.
Texas is 30% bigger than France!
Take that France!
And that's just one of our states.
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The full size of France includes it's territories and Islands that it owns. It would be nice if Texas had islands of it's own. They could ship Perry to one.


30% is twice as big, isn't it?

To prove that his land is bigger than a Tennessee farm, the Texas rancher bragged, "My ranch is so big that I can get in my pickup and drive all day and all night, and still not leave it!" The Tennessee farmer responded, "I know what you mean. I have an old broke-down truck, too."
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2068. will40 1:14 AM GMT on September 04, 2011    
Quoting 5Rockets:


Well, here's better info on Katia. It will hit around the N. Carolina/Virginia border, that's what the graphs from NHC, TWC, and Wunderground say.


there is no graphic from NHC showing it hitting anywhere
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2069. Patrap 1:14 AM GMT on September 04, 2011    
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2070. 5Rockets 1:14 AM GMT on September 04, 2011    
For some reason, I've always assumed Katia and Lee were Irene's top backup.
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2072. Tazmanian 1:15 AM GMT on September 04, 2011    
Quoting stormpetrol:


Taz, be careful how you say that , you might get labelled a westcaster J/K , how r ya Taz?




doing well
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2076. HoustonTxGal 1:17 AM GMT on September 04, 2011    
Quoting beell:


30% is twice as big, isn't it?

To prove that his land is bigger than a Tennessee farm, the Texas rancher bragged, "My ranch is so big that I can get in my pickup and drive all day and all night, and still not leave it!" The Tennessee farmer responded, "I know what you mean. I have an old broke-down truck, too."


The drive from the east side of Texas to the west side of Texas is about the same distance as driving from Dallas to Chicago.
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2077. mamabeth 1:17 AM GMT on September 04, 2011    
Looks like Mississippi threw up a shield. All the bands parting and going around it.
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2079. HuracanTaino 1:17 AM GMT on September 04, 2011    
Quoting hurricanehunter27:
Eye should pop up tonight or morning but def cat 1.

also moving west, west north west, all day, why they say NW?
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2080. nofailsafe 1:17 AM GMT on September 04, 2011    
Went to the store, saw people buying water. I did too, and a case of guinness. For, you know, happy fun rainy time.
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2081. will40 1:18 AM GMT on September 04, 2011    
Quoting 5Rockets:


Well, I look at their charts, then I predict where.
But I checked yesterday, and there was a chart I just happened to find on NHC.



lmao so it is a prediction from you
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2083. brazocane 1:18 AM GMT on September 04, 2011    
Couple more Lee Sunset pics:



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2085. ConnecticutWXGuy 1:19 AM GMT on September 04, 2011    
Quoting HuracanTaino:

also moving west, west north west, all day, why they say NW?


because it's actually been moving Northwest. It's just hard to tell on satellite... there's been a lot of wobbles, but when all averaged out the motion is 305 degrees/NW.
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2086. xtremeweathertracker 1:19 AM GMT on September 04, 2011    
New Blog!!
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2087. NEFLWATCHING 1:20 AM GMT on September 04, 2011    
"mamabeth: Looks like Mississippi threw up a shield. All the bands parting and going around it."

Well, that pinpoints Cantore.
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2088. splash3392 1:20 AM GMT on September 04, 2011    
Hi Dewey and 5rockets had this same conversation this morning. Nothing significant has changed. Dewey is/was correct!
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2089. blsealevel 1:20 AM GMT on September 04, 2011    
These models all showing lee heading NE and being absorbed by the Atlantic storm
But all models also are showing something else starting in the S GOMEX in 3 or 4 days days

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2090. PcolaDan 1:20 AM GMT on September 04, 2011    
Quoting mamabeth:
Looks like Mississippi threw up a shield. All the bands parting and going around it.

Must be just your area. See my post 2024 for numbers.
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2092. 5Rockets 1:21 AM GMT on September 04, 2011    
Quoting will40:



lmao so it is a prediction from you


Yes. And a good one, too. I mean, not everyone's predictions are perfecto. I'm saying mine's pretty good estimation.
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2093. A4Guy 1:22 AM GMT on September 04, 2011    
NEW BLOG from ANGELA
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2094. 5Rockets 1:22 AM GMT on September 04, 2011    
Quoting 5Rockets:


Yes. And a good one, too. I mean, not everyone's predictions are perfecto. I'm saying mine's pretty good estimation.


Does anybody object to that?
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2095. EastTexasWxGal 1:22 AM GMT on September 04, 2011    
In East Texas, it has been RAINING steadily for about 4 hours now. Very gentle, soaking rain. This is the most rain we have had in months! Who else in Texas is getting this? This beautiful rain is due to Lee. It looks like it will last another 4 hours or more, but the official forecast says only 30% rain.
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2096. mamabeth 1:22 AM GMT on September 04, 2011    
Quoting PcolaDan:

Must be just your area. See my post 2024 for numbers.



May very well be. Just looked like it on radar. Know its gonna change.
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2097. JLPR2 1:22 AM GMT on September 04, 2011    
Seems like the only way for Katia to bring at least a band of rain to my area is to move due west for at least a day and that is highly unlikely.

I bed adieu to Katia and wish the Bahamas, Bermuda, East Coast and Canada good luck.

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2098. 5Rockets 1:23 AM GMT on September 04, 2011    
Quoting twincomanche:
5Rockets=Troll??


Nope. Not a troll.
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2100. Tazmanian 1:23 AM GMT on September 04, 2011    
little too no dust in the way




wind shear seems low for PG23L and PG24L

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2101. franck 1:25 AM GMT on September 04, 2011    
Quoting HoustonTxGal:



Heck, many of us down in here in Texas have our CHL..Perry is just more in the spotlight about it. Heck, I have a CHL :o)


Oh, you're not telling me..I'm from Alabama. Sold my guns years ago. You know the saying, live by the sword....
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