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Lee drenching the Gulf Coast; Katia a Cat 2
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 3:31 PM GMT on September 04, 2011 +24
Tropical Storm Lee made landfall on the southern coast of Louisiana near 4 am CDT this morning, and continues to inch slowly northward and dump very heavy rains. The storm is not a threat to intensify, since its center lies over land, but enough of the storm's circulation is over water that Lee will be slow to weaken. At New Orleans Lakefront Airport, 8.85" inches of rain had fallen from Lee as of 9 am CDT this morning. Top winds this morning hit 46 mph, gusting to 57 mph, at 6:28 am CDT, when a heavy squall blew in. Latest satellite loops show Lee has lost quite a bit of its heavy thunderstorms since yesterday, but the storm remains a formidable rain-maker. Lee brought a storm surge of 4 feet to New Canal Station in Lake Pontchartrain and at Shell Beach east of New Orleans yesterday afternoon. NOAA's Storm Prediction Center reported eight probable tornadoes from Lee yesterday. These tornadoes damaged approximately ten buildings, but caused no deaths or injuries.


Figure 1. Observed rainfall for the seven-day period ending at 8 am EDT Sunday Sep 4, 2011. Tropical Storm Lee had dumped 5 -10 inches of rain over a large swath of the coast, with a few areas in excess of ten inches (pink colors). Image credit: NOAA/AHPS.


Figure 2. Predicted rainfall for the 5-day period 8am EDT Sunday - 8 am EDT Friday, Sep 9, 2011. Lee is expected to bring a large swath of 4+ inches of rain all the way to the mid-Atlantic. Image credit: NOAA/HPC.

Forecast for Lee
Lee's large size and slow movement will make heavy rains the main concern today. Later in the week, the remnants of Lee's may be a problem for the mid-Atlantic and Northeast, where recovery efforts from the devastating flooding due to Hurricane Irene may be hampered by an additional 2 - 3 inches of rain. Tornadoes from Lee are a potential hazard today, as NOAA's Storm Prediction Center is highlighting the Northern Gulf Coast in their "slight risk" area for severe weather. A tornado watch is posted for the region, but no tornadoes have been reported as of 9 am CDT.

Hurricane Katia
Hurricane Katia finally overcame the wind shear and dry air interfering with it, and intensified into a Category 2 hurricane with 100 mph winds this morning. Latest satellite loops show a well-defined eye for the first time, but the hurricane still has a lopsided appearance, due to he impacts of dry air and moderate wind shear of 10 - 20 knots on its southwest side.

Katia will not pose a danger to any land areas over the next five days, but may be a threat to the U.S. late this week. The computer models disagree considerably on the position and strength of a trough of low pressure that will develop over the Eastern U.S. late this week, and thus how Katia will be steered. The evolution of this trough will be strongly affected by Tropical Storm Lee, and the models are not very skillful at predicting transitions from tropical storm to extratropical storm, which will happen to Lee by Wednesday this week. We have two of our reliable models--the ECMWF and UKMET--predicting that the trough will form farther west, steering Katia very close to North Carolina late this week. The rest of the models predict a more easterly position of the trough, which would force Katia to turn northwards towards Canada well before reaching North Carolina. Either scenario is possible, and it will probably be at least another day before the models converge on a solution for the long-term fate of Katia. It's likely that locations on the U.S. coast south of North Carolina will not receive a direct hit from Katia, but the entire coast from North Carolina northwards to New England and Canada's Maritime Provinces is definitely at risk. Long period swells from Katia will begin affecting the Bahamas tonight, then reach the Southeast U.S. by Monday morning. By Tuesday morning, the entire U.S. East Coast will see high surf from Katia, and these waves will increase in size and power as the storm grows closer. Given the slow movement of Katia as it approaches the coast, plus its expected Category 1 to 3 strength as it approaches, the storm will probably cause extensive beach erosion and dangerous rip tides for many days.


Figure 3. Morning satellite image of Hurricane Katia.

Elsewhere in the tropics
This week and next week typically mark the two most active weeks of the Atlantic hurricane season, and there are two potential threat areas we need to watch. The GFS model predicts that a tropical depression could form in the southern Gulf of Mexico's Bay of Campeche by Friday or Saturday this week. Several other models give support to this idea, and predict such a storm would track northwards or north-northeastwards towards the northern Gulf Coast between Louisiana and the Florida Panhandle. The other region to watch is between the Lesser Antilles and the coast of Africa. The NOGAPS model is predicting that a tropical wave currently near the coast of Africa could develop into a tropical depression late this week, and arrive in the northern Lesser Antilles by Saturday or Sunday.

Jeff Masters
Tropical Strom Lee (taco2me61)
This is what happens when you do not tie up your boat.... This was taken in Pass Christian MS
Tropical Strom Lee
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801. HoustonTxGal 8:28 PM GMT on September 04, 2011    
Quoting Jedkins01:


It was horribly destructive, but it wasn't category 4/5 winds that did it. Lets be honest and think rationally, not dream things up.


Whatever.. Those of us that lived there and went through that hell know first hand what is was like, unlike those who just watched in on TWC.
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802. atmoaggie 8:29 PM GMT on September 04, 2011    
Quoting EYEStoSEA:


Plus, there are a lot of "Katrina weakened" trees still around....just waiting for the right kind of wind....we've had many taken down, but have more to go here on our place in SC Ms....it gets expensive :|
That's true. I had one survive Katrina and Gustav, only to have a gust in one of Ike's rainbands take it down.

(In St. Tammany)
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803. Tazmanian 8:29 PM GMT on September 04, 2011    
Quoting P451:


High moving west? Wouldn't be a good thing to see with those two waves out there.






what site do you get too see P22L and P24L from?
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804. mossyhead 8:29 PM GMT on September 04, 2011    
Quoting Jedkins01:


I'm not an expert, but I prefer living in reality, and trust NOAA reports over some blogger who claims they had category 4/5 winds on the Mississippi Coast during Katrina.
You can have gusts that exceed the sustained winds.That is why they call it gusts. So they could have gusts of to 145 in a hurrican that can be 20 to 30 mph over the sustain winds.
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805. ncstorm 8:29 PM GMT on September 04, 2011    
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806. 7544 8:29 PM GMT on September 04, 2011    
could lee head se back in the gom and head for fla on the west side and possibly cross over where th e probs are showing purple just off the est coast of fl. hmmm
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808. superweatherman 8:29 PM GMT on September 04, 2011    
So by this Friday we have have other tropical storm in the Gulf.. any chance of bring rain to Texas? Levi?
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809. BahaHurican 8:29 PM GMT on September 04, 2011    
Quoting Msuknotmet:


lol Cool! Isabel was the hurricane that really transfixed me. Did some terrible damage and made an inlet at the Outer Banks. Plus the pics from outer space were awesome.
Agreed. That was one beautiful storm. And I remember sitting here in the Bahamas for days, PRAYING that it wouldn't come our way, all the while it was headed straight for us at cat 5 or nearly so....

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810. HoustonTxGal 8:30 PM GMT on September 04, 2011    
Quoting 7544:
could lee head se back in the gom and head for fla on the west side and possibly cross over where th e probs are showing purple just off the est coast of fl. hmmm


With Lee, anything is possible...LOL he has been meandering all over the place.
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811. Jedkins01 8:30 PM GMT on September 04, 2011    
Quoting HoustonTxGal:


The MAX sustained Winds during Katrina were recorded at 175 mph. Storm surge height: 27.8 feet, Pass Christian, MS


Why make up stories?

from NOAA "As the hurricane made its second landfall on the Mississippi/Louisiana border, windspeeds were approximately 110 kts (125 mph). Gusts of over 80mph were recorded in Mobile and 90 mph in Biloxi, MS."
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812. Sfloridacat5 8:30 PM GMT on September 04, 2011    
Quoting atmoaggie:
Not anywhere near land, it wasn't. Well out in the gulf is the only place sustained winds near that speed were measured.

A peak, unmeasured gust on land in a very spectacular moment, maybe.


I believe around 120-125 mph wind was the peak gust reported during Katrina.
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814. atmoaggie 8:31 PM GMT on September 04, 2011    
Quoting P451:


From what I understand they don't update the cone every advisory but they will update the initial storm location on the same map.

That's what we see here.

Yup. Still misleading for the general public, IMO.
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816. Tazmanian 8:31 PM GMT on September 04, 2011    
Quoting thechanger:
katrina had 175mph winds when it came ashore dont listen to some idiot that wasnt even there



it did not make land fall has cat five it made land fall has a strong cat 4 at 1st land fall and a cat 3 at 2nd land fall
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817. atmoaggie 8:32 PM GMT on September 04, 2011    
Quoting Sfloridacat5:


I believe around 120-125 mph wind was the peak gust reported during Katrina.
Something like that.

Like I said, an unmeasured gust in a very spectacular moment.
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819. atmoaggie 8:33 PM GMT on September 04, 2011    
Quoting atmoaggie:
That's true. I had one survive Katrina and Gustav, only to have a gust in one of Ike's rainbands take it down.

(In St. Tammany)
And that was when Ike was ~400 miles away.

EDIT: oops, modify, not quote
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820. TropicalAnalystwx13 8:33 PM GMT on September 04, 2011    
Yes, because it really matters how strong the winds were with Katrina, which was 6 years ago.

Come on guys, quit fighting..
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821. SPLbeater 8:33 PM GMT on September 04, 2011    
this blog is useless with all this crappy katrina talk lol. subject should be

or this
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822. BioWeather 8:33 PM GMT on September 04, 2011    
Quoting ncstorm:
12Z for JMA..



NC what town are you in and are you concerned right now?
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823. Tazmanian 8:33 PM GMT on September 04, 2011    
Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:
Yes, because it really matters how strong the winds were with Katrina, which was 6 years ago.

Come on guys, quit fighting..



noted we got things too watch lol
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824. Surferdude 8:34 PM GMT on September 04, 2011    
Quoting HoustonTxGal:


Whatever.. Those of us that lived there and went through that hell know first hand what is was like, unlike those who just watched in on TWC.


Please show us documentation about cat 4-5 sustained wind at landfall.
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826. Tazmanian 8:34 PM GMT on September 04, 2011    
Quoting SPLbeater:
this blog is useless with all this crappy katrina talk lol. subject should be

or this



or are two waves out there wish could be come the most powerfull storm of the season
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829. vortextrance 8:37 PM GMT on September 04, 2011    
There was an unofficial wind gust of 135mph in Mississippi at landfall. That's really not hard to believe.
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830. ncstorm 8:37 PM GMT on September 04, 2011    
Quoting BioWeather:


NC what town are you in and are you concerned right now?


I'm in Wilmington and I am just watching right now..I am a little concern with the NHC not having confidence in the track after 3 days which they keep stressing about in their discussions..but am I buying plywood and boarding up the windows now..nah..when the HH gets out there and get some data fed into these models, the track should come together..
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831. TropicalAnalystwx13 8:37 PM GMT on September 04, 2011    
.

EDIT: Sorry, that was the forecast, not the current info.
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834. snow2fire 8:38 PM GMT on September 04, 2011    
TROLL -
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835. Tazmanian 8:38 PM GMT on September 04, 2011    
guys knock it off you guys are acting like a little 3 year old about some in that went on 6 years a go




whats move on
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836. EYEStoSEA 8:38 PM GMT on September 04, 2011    
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837. mossyhead 8:39 PM GMT on September 04, 2011    
Quoting Jedkins01:


I'm not an expert, but I prefer living in reality, and trust NOAA reports over some blogger who claims they had category 4/5 winds on the Mississippi Coast during Katrina.
You can have gusts that exceed the sustained winds.That is why they call it gusts. So they could have gusts of to 145 in a hurricane. They can be 20 to 30 mph over the sustained winds.
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838. Tazmanian 8:39 PM GMT on September 04, 2011    
Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:
FORECAST VALID 05/0000Z 22.9N 60.6W
MAX WIND 95 KT...GUSTS 115 KT.

Katia 1 mph short of Category 3 status.




is that now?
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841. BahaHurican 8:39 PM GMT on September 04, 2011    
Quoting P451:


High moving west? Wouldn't be a good thing to see with those two waves out there.

You ain't lyin.... wouldn't be a surprise to me if the high does move west after Katia, though. Pretty much the pattern we've seen for the last while.

Quoting HoustonTxGal:


Whatever.. Those of us that lived there and went through that hell know first hand what is was like, unlike those who just watched in on TWC.
OTOH, MS, while experiencing serious effects from Katrina,

1) didn't have cat 5 winds during that storm [as opposed to Camille, when the same area DID]

2) isn't the only area to have experienced cat 3 winds from a landfalling storm. This means there are others on this very blog who are equally qualified to say "first hand what it was like".

I'm not saying it wasn't bad. I'm just saying that people are justified in saying the WIND could have been worse.

IMO it's the storm surge from Katrina that will always be the nightmarish aspect of that storm to me. However, I was not there. [shrugs]
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842. TropicalAnalystwx13 8:39 PM GMT on September 04, 2011    
Quoting Tazmanian:




now?


Sorry, that was the forecast, not the current info.
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843. 7544 8:40 PM GMT on September 04, 2011    
katia is getting bigger in size now anyone think we going to start to here the nhc saying this katia is still moving west and is expected to make the ne turn in so many hours jajajajaj
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845. Tazmanian 8:40 PM GMT on September 04, 2011    
Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:


Sorry, that was the forecast, not the current info.



ok
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846. Tazmanian 8:41 PM GMT on September 04, 2011    
Quoting P451:



Here ya go




thank you
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847. scooster67 8:41 PM GMT on September 04, 2011    
Quoting Jedkins01:


Thanks for calling me "some idiot" just because I value facts as more important than fables.


Jed, Why are you arguing with trolls?
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848. HoustonTxGal 8:41 PM GMT on September 04, 2011    
Quoting 7544:
katia is getting bigger in size now anyone think we going to start to here the nhc saying this katia is still moving west and is expected to make the ne turn in so many hours jajajajaj


I sure hope she starts turning more northward soon
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849. SPLbeater 8:41 PM GMT on September 04, 2011    
i assume the 5 PM hasnt come out yet..
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850. Tazmanian 8:42 PM GMT on September 04, 2011    
we need too keep a eye on P22L


not sure how old or how new this is


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851. TropicalAnalystwx13 8:42 PM GMT on September 04, 2011    
Quoting SPLbeater:
i assume the 5 PM hasnt come out yet..


Not yet.
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