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Western Caribbean disturbance bringing heavy rains
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 3:02 PM GMT on October 15, 2011 +20
In the Western Caribbean, a large area of disturbed weather associated with a low pressure system is bringing heavy rains to Western and Central Cuba, the Cayman Islands, and Mexico's Yucatan Peninsula. Moisture from Tropical Depression 12-E, which moved inland near the Mexico/Guatemala border and dissipated on Wednesday, has invigorated this low. Rainfall amounts of 5 - 10 inches have fallen over Central Cuba since October 9, according to radar estimates from the Key West Radar.


Figure 1. Morning radar image from Key West, FL radar.

The low is too large to develop quickly, and is likely to move over the Yucatan Peninsula on Sunday, limiting the potential for development. NHC is giving the system just a 20% chance of developing into a tropical depression by Monday. Most of the models predict only weak development of the storm, since wind shear is currently a moderate to high 15 - 25 knots, and is expected to be in the moderate to high range over the next three days. The low is likely to move north and then northeast early next week, and cross the west coast of Florida on Tuesday or Wednesday. Rains from the storm are already affecting the Florida Keys, as seen on long-range Key West radar. Mexico's Yucatan Peninsula and Western Cuba will see the heaviest rains from the disturbance over the weekend, and extreme South Florida and the Florida Keys could see heavy rains of 3 - 5 inches through Monday.

Another area of disturbed weather over the far Eastern Atlantic, 700 miles southwest of the Cape Verde Islands, has developed a modest degree of spin, but has very limited heavy thunderstorm activity. NHC is giving this system a 20% chance of developing into a tropical depression by Monday.

Jeff Masters
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701. TropicalAnalystwx13 3:55 PM GMT on October 16, 2011    
Quoting WoodyFL:


Hey, Tropical Anaylyst. I guess you and I were right in our thinking yesterday. You made me feel real good when you agreed with me about 95L moving back east when all the models were saying west. I finally got one right. LOL Thanks for answering me on the blog, no one does.

No problem.
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702. GeoffreyWPB 3:55 PM GMT on October 16, 2011    
Quoting WoodyFL:


Hey, Tropical Anaylyst. I guess you and I were right in our thinking yesterday. You made me feel real good when you agreed with me about 95L moving back east when all the models were saying west. I finally got one right. LOL Thanks for answering me on the blog, no one does.


Would you like some cheese with your whine? :)
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703. TropicalAnalystwx13 3:55 PM GMT on October 16, 2011    
Quoting GeoffreyWPB:


Would you like some cheese with your whine?

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704. ChillinInTheKeys 3:58 PM GMT on October 16, 2011    
Re: 696. Think altitude/elevation.
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705. Sfloridacat5 3:59 PM GMT on October 16, 2011    
12Z, GFS at 54 hours.
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706. Seflhurricane 4:01 PM GMT on October 16, 2011    
i would really disregard the GFS model and stick to the Nam which has been very consistent and 95L looks to be reforming near the cancun area
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707. beachman42 4:02 PM GMT on October 16, 2011    
Quoting CitikatzSouthFL:


I now have 39 on my ignore list. Bye bye Dave. Sigh...

Teddy and Stormwatcher, thanks so much for your informative additions to this blog.

Back to weather, 95L is sure looking good right now. Any idea on timing as to when she will head towards FL?
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708. WoodyFL 4:02 PM GMT on October 16, 2011    
Quoting GeoffreyWPB:


Would you like some cheese with your whine? :)


Yes, only if it is St. Gustav 1985 reserve. Geoff, I take it you are in West Palm Beach. Guess you will get some rain.
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709. Sfloridacat5 4:03 PM GMT on October 16, 2011    
12z, GFS at 60 hours. Whatever does form is moving inland.
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710. TampaFLUSA 4:03 PM GMT on October 16, 2011    
Quoting Seflhurricane:
i would really disregard the GFS model and stick to the Nam which has been very consistent and 95L looks to be reforming near the cancun area

GFS did well with the previous low that hit the east coast of Fl.
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712. TropicalAnalystwx13 4:05 PM GMT on October 16, 2011    
Visible satellite imagery shows the center of invest 95L very near the northeast tip of the Yucatan Peninsula. If it does cross land, it will be for a very brief period of time, and organization would not be hampered significantly, if at all.

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713. WoodyFL 4:06 PM GMT on October 16, 2011    
Quoting Seflhurricane:
i would really disregard the GFS model and stick to the Nam which has been very consistent and 95L looks to be reforming near the cancun area


Im not good with animated maps but I think you might be right. I don't have those low vorticity maps, but it looks like a new low is forming to the east of where it was.

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714. Seflhurricane 4:06 PM GMT on October 16, 2011    
95L COC appears to be reforming between tolum and cancun very near the cozumel area
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715. GeoffreyWPB 4:06 PM GMT on October 16, 2011    
Quoting WoodyFL:


Yes, only if it is St. Gustav 1985 reserve. Geoff, I take it you are in West Palm Beach. Guess you will get some rain.


We should know a lot more tomorrow as to what to expect. I thought 93L would drench us last weekend, but turned out to be on and off showers.
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716. beachman42 4:06 PM GMT on October 16, 2011    
Joe Bastardi has been saying for the last 3 days, and is still saying, that this system will do exactly what the ensemble models are showing now.

Storm moves up into the Gulf and then moves across Florida.

Beachman42
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717. Sfloridacat5 4:07 PM GMT on October 16, 2011    
12z, GFS at 69 hours. Low has been absorbed into the frontal boundry.
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719. BenBIogger 4:08 PM GMT on October 16, 2011    
Quoting TampaFLUSA:

GFS did well with the previous low that hit the east coast of Fl.


The GFS had 93L heading up to SC.
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720. Seflhurricane 4:10 PM GMT on October 16, 2011    
rain bands starting to form over the Se florida coast , reports from the florida keys that they have received between 3-5 inches of rain since friday
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721. HIEXPRESS 4:10 PM GMT on October 16, 2011    
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722. AllStar17 4:10 PM GMT on October 16, 2011    
*Click image to enlarge (image can further be enlarged in Link Window by clicking anywhere on it)
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723. allancalderini 4:11 PM GMT on October 16, 2011    
does there is real pontential that the invest in the central atlantic will develop?
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724. TropicalAnalystwx13 4:11 PM GMT on October 16, 2011    
Rainfall totals since yesterday morning.

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725. stormwatcherCI 4:12 PM GMT on October 16, 2011    
Quoting WoodyFL:


Hey, Tropical Anaylyst. I guess you and I were right in our thinking yesterday. You made me feel real good when you agreed with me about 95L moving back east when all the models were saying west. I finally got one right. LOL Thanks for answering me on the blog, no one does.
Levi also said it could form a secondary coc east of the one on the Yucatan.
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726. Sfloridacat5 4:12 PM GMT on October 16, 2011    
TROPICAL WEATHER OUTLOOK
NWS NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
800 AM EDT SUN OCT 16 2011

FOR THE NORTH ATLANTIC...CARIBBEAN SEA AND THE GULF OF MEXICO...

SATELLITE DATA AND SURFACE OBSERVATIONS INDICATE THAT THE LARGE LOW
PRESSURE SYSTEM CENTERED ALONG THE EASTERN COAST OF THE YUCATAN
PENINSULA IS SHOWING SIGNS OF ORGANIZATION. IN ADDITION...WINDS
NEAR TROPICAL STORM STRENGTH ARE OCCURRING TO THE NORTHEAST OF THE
CENTER OVER THE YUCATAN CHANNEL AND THE EXTREME SOUTHERN GULF OF
MEXICO.
ALTHOUGH THIS LOW IS INTERACTING WITH LAND...SOME GRADUAL
DEVELOPMENT IS STILL POSSIBLE. THIS SYSTEM HAS A MEDIUM CHANCE...50
PERCENT...OF BECOMING A TROPICAL CYCLONE DURING THE NEXT 48 HOURS
AS IT MOVES SLOWLY NORTHWESTWARD. REGARDLESS OF DEVELOPMENT...
LOCALLY HEAVY RAINFALL IS EXPECTED TO CONTINUE OVER THE YUCATAN
PENINSULA AND WESTERN CUBA DURING THE NEXT COUPLE OF DAYS.
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727. TropicalAnalystwx13 4:15 PM GMT on October 16, 2011    
Quoting Sfloridacat5:
TROPICAL WEATHER OUTLOOK
NWS NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
800 AM EDT SUN OCT 16 2011

FOR THE NORTH ATLANTIC...CARIBBEAN SEA AND THE GULF OF MEXICO...

SATELLITE DATA AND SURFACE OBSERVATIONS INDICATE THAT THE LARGE LOW
PRESSURE SYSTEM CENTERED ALONG THE EASTERN COAST OF THE YUCATAN
PENINSULA IS SHOWING SIGNS OF ORGANIZATION. IN ADDITION...WINDS
NEAR TROPICAL STORM STRENGTH ARE OCCURRING TO THE NORTHEAST OF THE
CENTER OVER THE YUCATAN CHANNEL AND THE EXTREME SOUTHERN GULF OF
MEXICO.
ALTHOUGH THIS LOW IS INTERACTING WITH LAND...SOME GRADUAL
DEVELOPMENT IS STILL POSSIBLE. THIS SYSTEM HAS A MEDIUM CHANCE...50
PERCENT...OF BECOMING A TROPICAL CYCLONE DURING THE NEXT 48 HOURS
AS IT MOVES SLOWLY NORTHWESTWARD. REGARDLESS OF DEVELOPMENT...
LOCALLY HEAVY RAINFALL IS EXPECTED TO CONTINUE OVER THE YUCATAN
PENINSULA AND WESTERN CUBA DURING THE NEXT COUPLE OF DAYS.

Just making sure you know...That is the 8AM TWO.
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728. WoodyFL 4:19 PM GMT on October 16, 2011    
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729. Sfloridacat5 4:20 PM GMT on October 16, 2011    
Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:

Just making sure you know...That is the 8AM TWO.


Yeah, I didn't see an 11am out yet? Maybe we'll have to wait until 2 pm?
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730. WoodyFL 4:23 PM GMT on October 16, 2011    
Quoting GeoffreyWPB:


We should know a lot more tomorrow as to what to expect. I thought 93L would drench us last weekend, but turned out to be on and off showers.


That was a disappointment. We need the rain. Hope it's not too bad.
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731. will40 4:24 PM GMT on October 16, 2011    
Quoting Sfloridacat5:


Yeah, I didn't see an 11am out yet? Maybe we'll have to wait until 2 pm?


only thing that required an 11:00 update is Irwin
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732. GainesvilleGator 4:25 PM GMT on October 16, 2011    
We have had a few systems this year where the COC relocated. I think Irene was one of them while it was in the Carribean. Most of these systems had the relocation shift further North. It looks like a COC relocation with this one as well.

Expect the tropical cyclone probabity to make another jump at the 2:00 PM update.
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733. will40 4:27 PM GMT on October 16, 2011    
New Blog
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734. GTcooliebai 4:28 PM GMT on October 16, 2011    
hmm...


hmm...Invest 95L


hmm...


hmm...Central Atlantic Invest


Anybody think the tropics aren't active, say I :-P...also just as I thought the blog grew exponentially from yesterday :)
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735. HurricaneHunterJoe 4:35 PM GMT on October 16, 2011    
Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:

Well, its headed generally towards the northwest right now, so it will need to turn north, then northeast...All this should occur over the next three days. We should see whatever it is make landfall in Florida in four days or so, IMO.


I GOTTA KNOW,AM I ON THAT LIST?
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736. stormwatcherCI 4:35 PM GMT on October 16, 2011    
Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:

Just making sure you know...That is the 8AM TWO.
Link


I don't know how to post a loop but speed up the shortwave loop and looks like a coc around 20N and 85W.
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737. Skyepony (Mod) 5:31 PM GMT on October 16, 2011    
Fresh Windsat 95L
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