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TD 7 dies; 93L little threat to develop
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 3:55 PM GMT on August 11, 2012 +32
Tropical Depression Seven is dead, ripped apart by moderate wind shear of 10 - 20 knots this Saturday morning. The storm was too small and fragile to survive the shear, thanks to dry air from the Sahara that had infiltrated the storm environment. None of the reliable models forecasts that TD 7 will regenerate as it tracks westwards across the Caribbean over the next four days. The remains of the storm should arrive in Mexico's Yucatan Peninsula on Wednesday.


Figure 1. Morning satellite image of the remnants of TD 7.

93L
A large tropical wave(Invest 93L) is located in the Eastern Atlantic about 300 miles northwest of the Cape Verde Islands. Satellite loops show a pronounced spin to the atmosphere at mid levels, but little in the way of heavy thunderstorm activity. The latest Saharan Air Layer Analysis from the University of Wisconsin shows that there is a large area of dry air from the Sahara surrounding 93L, which has infiltrated into the storm. This dry air will be a significant impediment to development during the coming week, as the 8 am EDT run of the SHIPS model predicts dryness at mid-levels of the atmosphere will increase during the next five days. None of the reliable computer models develop 93L during the coming seven days, and the storm is expected to move west-northwest and then north, recurving well to the east of Bermuda. In their 8 am Tropical Weather Outlook, NHC gave 93L a 20% chance of becoming a tropical depression by Monday morning.

I'll have a new post on Sunday.

Jeff Masters
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951. allancalderini 3:46 AM GMT on August 12, 2012    
Quoting allancalderini:
Tony sounds like a cat 4 hurricane name.
the M and P are the worst for my country so I should keep an eye on Michael and Patty.Rafael sounds threatening too.
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952. Grothar 3:47 AM GMT on August 12, 2012    
It is getting bigger from when I FIRST posted it. Think they'll move it up to 11%.



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953. sunlinepr 3:47 AM GMT on August 12, 2012    
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954. hydrus 3:48 AM GMT on August 12, 2012    
Quoting Grothar:
Remember now, I saw this first!!!!!!!!!


If this continues on its current track and does get the name Gordon, my forecast will be on the mark, and I will not have to " indulge "...hhhhhhaaaaa
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955. WxGeekVA 3:49 AM GMT on August 12, 2012    
Quoting BahaHurican:
A lot re. redevelopment, imo, depends on how strong it is as it gets into the ECar...



The E. Carib is chock full of dry air and shear, plus trade winds. There's nothing redeveloping in that area right now. And it's also not very strong right now, which will hurt it's chances as it is. If it had a closed low I would be a little more optimistic. This convective blowup is just a combination of D-Max, convergence as it hits the trade winds, and short-term ventilation by the TUTT. It'll be gone by morning more than likely, back to a weak open wave.

However, once it hits that area Ernesto did... Could see some quick re-development and strengthening. Plenty of moisture from the monsoonal flow, low shear, and we all know about the rocket fuel water temps. I wouldn't be shocked if it became a hurricane in the gulf if shear stays low.
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956. sunlinepr 3:50 AM GMT on August 12, 2012    
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958. mcluvincane 3:51 AM GMT on August 12, 2012    
Quoting hydrus:
If this continues on its current track and does get the name Gordon, my forecast will be on the mark, and I will not have to " indulge "...hhhhhhaaaaa



Just a temporary flare up, it's getting sheared pretty hard as one can see on the satellite frames
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959. hydrus 3:51 AM GMT on August 12, 2012    
Quoting Grothar:
It is getting bigger from when I FIRST posted it. Think they'll move it up to 11%.



11.5 Mr. Blob...11.6 if it grabs a brew in St. Thomas..
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960. KoritheMan 3:51 AM GMT on August 12, 2012    
For what it's worth...

18z GFS, at 168 hours:



12z Euro, at the same time:



The latter is much weaker and farther south, but extrapolation of the pressure fields in these models suggests they are seeing the same system. Same general synoptic pattern, too.

Bears watching.
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961. tennisgirl08 3:51 AM GMT on August 12, 2012    
Quoting KEEPEROFTHEGATE:




5 of the cen windwards are experiencing adverse conditions from T-W/07L its a large single convective region being influence by the digging sw flow of the ull being squeese sw ward into the dry air

i will sent a bigger picture


This is crazy. The person in Martinique - is he/she in the center of the wave right now?

Obviously, the wave is MUCH further north, probably due in part to a temporary weakening ridge.

Looks amazingly good...but still A LOT of dry air ahead.

This one makes me think....

When does next set of GFS model runs come out?
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962. xtremeweathertracker 3:52 AM GMT on August 12, 2012    
Wind reports from east Martinique showing 45 mph sustained winds!!
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963. sunlinepr 3:52 AM GMT on August 12, 2012    
It is rotating clockwise... maybe we have a switching of Poles over Africa.... S hemisphere....

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964. Grothar 3:52 AM GMT on August 12, 2012    
Quoting hydrus:
If this continues on its current track and does get the name Gordon, my forecast will be on the mark, and I will not have to " indulge "...hhhhhhaaaaa


I know, when I wrote it might develop as it is moving over the islands, but would be further North, I got laughed off the blog. Conditions are still a little hostile in the Eastern Caribbean, but one map did indicate that shear could be decreasing.
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965. BahaHurican 3:52 AM GMT on August 12, 2012    
Quoting JLPR2:
Meanwhile in the EAtl...
Looks like 93L's track is verifying... lol

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966. JLPR2 3:53 AM GMT on August 12, 2012    
Quoting wunderkidcayma:
Td 7 is sure blowing up tonight!


What's with the impostor accounts? :\ Stop it!
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967. Grothar 3:53 AM GMT on August 12, 2012    
Quoting sunlinepr:
It is rotating clockwise... maybe we have a switching of Poles over Africa.... S hemisphere....



that would be a switch.
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968. bappit 3:53 AM GMT on August 12, 2012    
A vigorous wave can have tropical storm winds. Happens somewhat often. Not sure how the NHC handles that, vaguely remember warnings issued for winds before for waves.

The pouch people might say it actually is a closed circulation in a Lagrangian coordinate system (which I read is not really Lagrangian strictly speaking). I think there is an argument to be made that with the thing moving so fast the air has to circulate pretty fast around the moving center of circulation to be sensible as a west wind.
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969. hydrus 3:54 AM GMT on August 12, 2012    
Quoting mcluvincane:



Just a temporary flare up, it's getting sheared pretty hard as one can see on the satellite frames
Thank you for your vote of confidence on me meticulous forecast MC......thanks...sniffle...lol
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970. tennisgirl08 3:54 AM GMT on August 12, 2012    
Quoting wunderkidcayma:
Td 7 is sure blowing up tonight!

Link


PORN!!! AHHHHH!!! DO NOT OPEN!!!!!
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971. xtremeweathertracker 3:54 AM GMT on August 12, 2012    
Quoting tennisgirl08:


This is crazy. The person in Martinique - is he/she in the center of the wave right now?

Obviously, the wave is MUCH further north, probably due in part to a temporary weakening ridge.

Looks amazingly good...but still A LOT of dry air ahead.

This one makes me think....

When does next set of GFS model runs come out?


Just looking at some weather stations in East Martinique they are experiencing TS force winds north and east of the center !!
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972. Drakoen 3:55 AM GMT on August 12, 2012    
Despite the recent blow up of convection, the surface observations do not support a closed low level circulation and surface pressures are fairly high. The convection appears to be associated with upper level diffluence from the upper level trough to its west.
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973. Grothar 3:55 AM GMT on August 12, 2012    
At 11:55 I officially declare this a blob.


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974. BahaHurican 3:55 AM GMT on August 12, 2012    
Quoting allancalderini:
the M and P are the worst for my country so I should keep an eye on Michael and Patty.Rafael sounds threatening too.
Agreed on Rafael....
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975. hydrus 3:55 AM GMT on August 12, 2012    
Quoting bappit:
A vigorous wave can have tropical storm winds. Happens somewhat often. Not sure how the NHC handles that, vaguely remember warnings issued for winds before for waves.

The pouch people might say it actually is a closed circulation in a Lagrangian coordinate system (which I read is not really Lagrangian strictly speaking). I think there is an argument to be made that with the thing moving so fast the air has to circulate pretty fast around the moving center of circulation to be sensible as a west wind.
The pouch people.?...Sounds like a documentary from the 70,s..:)
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976. KoritheMan 3:56 AM GMT on August 12, 2012    
Quoting Drakoen:
Despite the recent blow up of convection, the surface observations do not support a closed low level circulation and surface pressures are fairly high. The convection appears to be associated with upper level diffluence from the upper level trough to its west.


Exactly. This thing doesn't have a chance until reaching the western Caribbean in a few days.
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977. beell 3:57 AM GMT on August 12, 2012    
noaa.gov-Dominica Obs History
noaa.gov-Guadeloupe Obs History

I'd probably tag a little of this blow-up to the base of the upper trough to the NE. Visible on WV also.


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979. WxGeekVA 3:57 AM GMT on August 12, 2012    
WARNING

Comment 957 IS NOT WINDERKIDCAYMAN, it is a troll. That is a link to a porn site with viruses. Report immediately!
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980. Grothar 3:57 AM GMT on August 12, 2012    
Quoting wunderkidcayma:
tennisgirl08


What are you talking about?



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981. hydrus 3:57 AM GMT on August 12, 2012    
Quoting sunlinepr:
It is rotating clockwise... maybe we have a switching of Poles over Africa.... S hemisphere....

Someone told me that the reefer keeps getting better and better there in P.R.
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982. mcluvincane 3:58 AM GMT on August 12, 2012    
Quoting tennisgirl08:


PORN!!! AHHHHH!!! DO NOT OPEN!!!!!


Omg, i just went and threw up.... wow
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983. bappit 4:00 AM GMT on August 12, 2012    
Quoting tennisgirl08:


PORN!!! AHHHHH!!! DO NOT OPEN!!!!!

Not a good idea to click on any links that use shortened URL's. Never know what is there.
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984. tennisgirl08 4:01 AM GMT on August 12, 2012    
Quoting bappit:

Not a good idea to click on any links that use shortened URL's. Never know what is there.


Yeah, well the handle threw me off and then I just clicked without paying attention.

I will not sleep well tonight... HA!
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985. WxGeekVA 4:01 AM GMT on August 12, 2012    
Quoting mcluvincane:


Omg, i just went and threw up.... wow


...do not open? Hope you had private browsing on... And there's worse on the Internet than that. Rule #34
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986. JLPR2 4:01 AM GMT on August 12, 2012    
Interesting, winds went from 25-35mph with TS gusts to dead calm in Dominica. 0mph
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987. tennisgirl08 4:01 AM GMT on August 12, 2012    
Quoting mcluvincane:


Omg, i just went and threw up.... wow


Haha! So disgusting!
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988. Bluestorm5 4:01 AM GMT on August 12, 2012    
That's the weirdest wave I've ever seen... -_-
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989. LillyMyrrh 4:02 AM GMT on August 12, 2012    
Quoting opal92nwf:
I wonder which one will be the bad boy?

Gordon
Helene
Isaac
Joyce
Kirk
Leslie
Michael
Nadine
Oscar
Patty
Rafael
Sandy
Tony
Valerie
William

Considering where I live, I'd have to say Isaac and/or Rafael. After Rita and Ike, I don't particularly care for names that start with "I" or "R" during hurricane season.
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990. BahaHurican 4:02 AM GMT on August 12, 2012    
Quoting WxGeekVA:


The E. Carib is chock full of dry air and shear, plus trade winds. There's nothing redeveloping in that area right now. And it's also not very strong right now, which will hurt it's chances as it is. If it had a closed low I would be a little more optimistic. This convective blowup is just a combination of D-Max, convergence as it hits the trade winds, and short-term ventilation by the TUTT. It'll be gone by morning more than likely, back to a weak open wave.

However, once it hits that area Ernesto did... Could see some quick re-development and strengthening. Plenty of moisture from the monsoonal flow, low shear, and we all know about the rocket fuel water temps. I wouldn't be shocked if it became a hurricane in the gulf if shear stays low.
Uh... I was thinking more like better profile going into the ECar, better chances in the WCar... not really expecting much to happen after crossing the Lessers...

Gotta agree w/ your analysis of the ECar conditions, though I do have one caveat. To me it seems the bulk of the energy from this Twave is going rather north of the track Ernesto took, which imo could mean slightly slower trades. Haven't looked at a recent analysis to verify, though...
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991. hydrus 4:02 AM GMT on August 12, 2012    
Quoting sunlinepr:
It is rotating clockwise... maybe we have a switching of Poles over Africa.... S hemisphere....

I take that back..It does look like its spinnin clockwise....Holy fish..
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992. sunlinepr 4:02 AM GMT on August 12, 2012    
93L has been eaten by SAL as you can see here the green area... but that has created a more favorable surrounding (no blue SAL) for the new wave, that looks strong...





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993. tennisgirl08 4:03 AM GMT on August 12, 2012    
Quoting WxGeekVA:
WARNING

Comment 957 IS NOT WINDERKIDCAYMAN, it is a troll. That is a link to a porn site with viruses. Report immediately!


Does my computer have a virus now! Dangit!!
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994. xtremeweathertracker 4:03 AM GMT on August 12, 2012    
Quoting Bluestorm5:
That's the weirdest wave I've ever seen... -_-


Or it was the remnants of TD7 trying to revive itself!! LOL
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995. beell 4:03 AM GMT on August 12, 2012    
Quoting Drakoen:
Despite the recent blow up of convection, the surface observations do not support a closed low level circulation and surface pressures are fairly high. The convection appears to be associated with upper level diffluence from the upper level trough to its west.


Evenin' Drak.

West?
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996. TropicalAnalystwx13 4:04 AM GMT on August 12, 2012    
Oh no no no...bad bad site.
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997. bappit 4:04 AM GMT on August 12, 2012    
Quoting hydrus:
The pouch people.?...Sounds like a documentary from the 70,s..:)

Those marsupial types.
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998. hydrus 4:04 AM GMT on August 12, 2012    
Good night to all, and to all,...a good night..:)
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999. JLPR2 4:04 AM GMT on August 12, 2012    
Due west wind in Martinique, barely...

2mph from the West.
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1000. Bluestorm5 4:05 AM GMT on August 12, 2012    
Quoting xtremeweathertracker:


Or it was the remnants of TD7 trying to revive itself!! LOL
I'm talking about wave in Africa going clockwise instead of counterclockwise
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1001. JLPR2 4:06 AM GMT on August 12, 2012    
Martinique has all kind of W winds now.

From the W, SW and WNW. There is a weak circulation passing between Dominica and Martinique.
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