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Remains of TD 7 kill two in Trinidad; 93L too dry to develop
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 3:31 PM GMT on August 12, 2012 +35
The remains of Tropical Depression Seven brought heavy rains to Trinidad on Saturday, unleashing flooding and mudslides that killed two people and left two others missing in Diego Martin. The storm is headed westward at 20 mph across the Caribbean, but high wind shear of 15 - 25 knots should prevent the system from regenerating. None of the reliable models forecasts that TD 7 will regenerate, and the storm should arrive in Mexico's Yucatan Peninsula on Wednesday. In their 8 am Tropical Weather Outlook, NHC gave ex-TD 7 a 10% chance of becoming a tropical depression by Tuesday morning.


Figure 1. An analysis of the Saharan Air Layer (SAL) from 8 am EDT August 12, 2012. Very dry air from the Sahara (yellow and orange colors) surrounds the tropical wave designated 93L in the Central Atlantic. Image credit: University of Wisconsin CIMSS and NOAA/Hurricane Research Division.

93L
A large tropical wave(Invest 93L) is located in the Central Atlantic about 700 miles west-northwest of the Cape Verde Islands. Satellite loops show a pronounced spin to the atmosphere at mid levels, but little in the way of heavy thunderstorm activity. The latest Saharan Air Layer Analysis from the University of Wisconsin shows that 93L is surrounded by a large area of dry air from the Sahara, which has infiltrated into the storm. This dry air will be a significant impediment to development, as the 8 am EDT run of the SHIPS model predicts that mid-levels of the atmosphere will remain very dry during the next four days. None of the reliable computer models develop 93L during the coming five days, and the storm is expected to move west-northwest and then north, recurving well to the east of Bermuda. In their 8 am Tropical Weather Outlook, NHC gave 93L a 10% chance of becoming a tropical depression by Tuesday morning. The GFS model is predicting 93L will develop into a tropical depression in about a week, once the storm recurves and begins heading northeast. At this point, it does not appear 93L will trouble any land areas.

I'll have a new post on Monday.

Jeff Masters
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351. MississippiWx 8:37 PM GMT on August 12, 2012    
Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:

Was it? Must have missed that.


You miss a lot of things.
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352. Yahuekano 8:37 PM GMT on August 12, 2012    
Winds gusting pretty strong here at Mayaguez, Puerto Rico.
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353. sar2401 8:38 PM GMT on August 12, 2012    
Quoting BahaHurican:
Sheesh... like they need any more...

What, u mean BTC??? if so, I used to get better Sunday service on their days off... lol nobody wanted to get called in to deal w/ an emergency...


Yeah, BTC. I think it's been privatised now, right? I remember, when sailing the Caribbean in the early days of cell phones, BTC was the only carrier allowed to operate. Horrible service and astronomical prices. Monopolies are almost never a good thing.
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354. wunderkidcayman 8:38 PM GMT on August 12, 2012    
ok update for 18Z maps

Shear
shear continues to decrease over EX-TD7. 30kt nearly non exsistent. 20kts is shrinking, becoming much better for the EX-TD.
shear tend. is droping.

vort at 925mb is good.
vort at 850mb is good.
vort at 700mb is good.
vort at 500mb is ok still need some work.

lower convergence is good.

steering shows a general W track, WNW-NW in the NW Caribbean, steering also starting to show more decrease in wind speeds, more so from 71W-72.5W/73W.
(before there was deeper redish orange. now has a lighter orange, more yellow, more so at the 72.5W mark, and now more greens and blues showing up in the NW caribbean, this change in colour indicates that the trades are falling, more so from 72.5W onwards. however it is still abit strong, but, if this trend continues, expect the trades fall to moderate to light by tomorrow evening.)

Dry air is becomeing less affective on the system as shear decreases on it, looking at WV shows the dry air moving away from the system as the system is now tring to expands it moisture field.

sattelite presentation it getting much better small blobs and spots of convection now coming together into one. I think by sunrise tomorrow with D-MAX should help, big time.



my thoughts
EX-TD 7 may get its act togeather earler than most people think, now that the evidence that the trades are droping plus the better conditions are become present. we maybe looking at redevelopment stage being earler than thought. maybe we may get a stronger storm in the Central-Western Caribbean to NW caribbean and GOM than previously thought. now ok before you all go gunhoe on me I'm waiting for more maps to come out before my confidence of what is happening rises pass the 50% mark
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355. Tropicsweatherpr 8:39 PM GMT on August 12, 2012    
Hi Levi, the ECMWF on the 12z run has a developing system in the MDR.Are things going to be favorable there on the 22nd?
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356. redwagon 8:40 PM GMT on August 12, 2012    
Quoting Chicklit:

Guess I'm having an 'off' day.
Would love to see the models wrong for a change.
Link Caribbean WV Loop


Got home, WU dropped ex-7? Doesn't look all that dead to me?
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357. BahaHurican 8:40 PM GMT on August 12, 2012    
Quoting BahaHurican:
You can smile when you can't say a word;
You can smile though you cannot be heard;
You can smile when it's cloudy or fair;
You can smile anytime anywhere.


So I'm Pollyanna personified... sue me...

LOL
Though I gotta admit having A/C makes it that much easier....
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358. Jedkins01 8:40 PM GMT on August 12, 2012    
Quoting SouthTampa:
I think I live 5 miles east of you (E end of Ulmerton, right by 275). We got close to 3" yesterday. Typical Florida storms, eh?


Unfortunately we are stuck in a pattern that means lots of heavy rain for everyone except the near coastline in most cases, I'm one of those places that is near the coastline. I've never had this little amount of rain at this point in August, it's so weird because we got absolutely slammed throughout June and July and ever since I've lived here you can count on August bringing even more than June and July. The patterns for rain throughout all of August so far have not favored this area, and it seems that when rain is around is it is avoiding us at all costs. I'm just glad we did have so much rain in June and July because this area is typically soaked in August but strangely not so far. I would imagine this strange trend has to end sooner or later.
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359. TropicalAnalystwx13 8:42 PM GMT on August 12, 2012    
Quoting WxGeekVA:


Happy 20,000 comments TA13!

Way too many. I need to get a life. XD
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360. Chicklit 8:42 PM GMT on August 12, 2012    
Quoting BahaHurican:
Sounds like interesting reading... I admit to reading absolutely nothing of value [besides, occasionally, posts in this blog... lol] while I've been on vacation thus far. I do have some interesting reading that I started earlier in the year before things got too hectic that I'll likely pick up later...


I'll be reading Fiscal Administration (Mikesell), Financial Management in the Public Sector, Performance Analysis for Pubic and Nonprofit Organizations and Research Methods for Public Administrators.
Obviously, this won't leave time for 'something you always wanted to know about everything.'
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361. louisianaboy444 8:42 PM GMT on August 12, 2012    
Quoting Levi32:
We're going to have to watch ex-TD 7 carefully by this Friday into next week as it slips into the southwestern Gulf of Mexico. An upper trough digging into the southern U.S. will be setting up a weakness in the ridge there that could result in a fairly stagnant pattern where TD 7's remnants could fester and reorganize over the course of several days as the trough to the northeast takes its time in leaving the scene. Such a pattern with a tropical disturbance southwest of a mid-latitude trough axis can be favorable for development by supporting low-level convergence and ridging aloft. Model support right now is minimal, but the GFS is starting to drop hints of support for this scenario, and I wouldn't be surprised to see other models start to see this as a possibility.

In 7 days look at the favorable upper high over the western gulf due to the pattern caused by the digging trough to the northeast and the MJO coming trough:



This does make sense as speed shear occurs causing anti-cyclonic motion in the upper levels of the western gulf. Could have another scenario as with Debby with weak steering currents...will it get absorbed into the trough or get shoved in Texas...could be yet another tough forecast if that scenario comes to pass...GFS has been all over the place when it comes to track but something to watch nonetheless
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362. Tribucanes 8:43 PM GMT on August 12, 2012    
Thanks for that tidbit there Levi. Most interesting thing weather wise I've seen or read all day. :) Curious what the NHC will have to say about all this in their upcoming update.
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363. Chicklit 8:44 PM GMT on August 12, 2012    
Quoting Tribucanes:
Thanks for that tidbit there Levi. Most interesting thing weather wise I've seen or read all day. :) Curious what the NHC will have to say about all this in their upcoming update.

This says KmanIslander was right and the models were wrong...ha!
Starting to feel better already.
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364. SubtropicalHi 8:44 PM GMT on August 12, 2012    
Quoting Patrap:
There are now 130 days until the 2012 Winter Solstice.


Yeah!

41 days left of summer.
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365. wunderkidcayman 8:46 PM GMT on August 12, 2012    
Quoting Chicklit:

This says KmanIslander was right and the models were wrong...ha!

was wrong about what again? :)
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366. Chicklit 8:46 PM GMT on August 12, 2012    
Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:

Way too many. I need to get a life. XD

No. This is your life. haha
Better go before I get banned.
Will have to check back later on 007.
Have a nice evening everyone.
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367. Tribucanes 8:47 PM GMT on August 12, 2012    
wunderkidcayman must be thrilled. He's been saying TD07 would be making a comeback since they declassified it.
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368. Chicklit 8:48 PM GMT on August 12, 2012    
Quoting wunderkidcayman:

was wrong about what again? :)

The models were showing zero development for TD7.
It's in the headlines. Dr. Masters' blog, NHC 2 p.m. Discussion...Kman has been pointing out its persistence.
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369. wunderkidcayman 8:49 PM GMT on August 12, 2012    
Quoting Tribucanes:
wunderkidcayman must be thrilled. He's been saying TD07 would be making a comeback since they declassified it.


I've been saying it and... come on say it
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370. Chicklit 8:50 PM GMT on August 12, 2012    
Quoting SubtropicalHi:


Yeah!

41 days left of summer.

My summer is ending as we blog...boo hoo
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371. Felix2007 8:50 PM GMT on August 12, 2012    
How is this possible?

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372. BahaHurican 8:50 PM GMT on August 12, 2012    
Quoting sar2401:


Yeah, BTC. I think it's been privatised now, right? I remember, when sailing the Caribbean in the early days of cell phones, BTC was the only carrier allowed to operate. Horrible service and astronomical prices. Monopolies are almost never a good thing.
They'd done a lot to improve that, though... put in a lot of new infrastructure etc... so the new guys got a totally revamped phone system, with trunking to Haiti, for practically nothing. And it's STILL a monopoly. Pple r up in arms because they look like they are phasing out the prepaid phones that are extremely popular here but have done nothing to improve service... and the system has suffered numerous island-wide service blackouts that have gone unexplained... basically I've seen no improvement in the service since the change, so I still am not quite sure what the big deal was all about. Everybody who was pro-privitization PROMISED service would be better and less costly, but no sign of that yet.

OTOH, I've not been using my phone in the Family Islands, so I don't know how much improvement we've had out there...
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373. BahaHurican 8:51 PM GMT on August 12, 2012    
Quoting sar2401:


Yeah, BTC. I think it's been privatised now, right? I remember, when sailing the Caribbean in the early days of cell phones, BTC was the only carrier allowed to operate. Horrible service and astronomical prices. Monopolies are almost never a good thing.
PS... shoulda know u were a sailor... lol... have d done any diving in our waters?
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374. DataNerd 8:52 PM GMT on August 12, 2012    
Quoting Levi32:
We're going to have to watch ex-TD 7 carefully by this Friday into next week as it slips into the southwestern Gulf of Mexico. An upper trough digging into the southern U.S. will be setting up a weakness in the ridge there that could result in a fairly stagnant pattern where TD 7's remnants could fester and reorganize over the course of several days as the trough to the northeast takes its time in leaving the scene. Such a pattern with a tropical disturbance southwest of a mid-latitude trough axis can be favorable for development by supporting low-level convergence and ridging aloft. Model support right now is minimal, but the GFS is starting to drop hints of support for this scenario, and I wouldn't be surprised to see other models start to see this as a possibility.

In 7 days look at the favorable upper high over the western gulf due to the pattern caused by the digging trough to the northeast and the MJO coming trough:




Seconded. Was seeing a hint of a significant GOM storm by 156-170 hrs yesterday and that is still showing up today.


Big questions will be how fast it develops, if it does, and where it goes.
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375. allancalderini 8:52 PM GMT on August 12, 2012    
Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:

Way too many. I need to get a life. XD
you have a life just different than others.:) if you are happy of how your life is now then continue with it.
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376. aquak9 8:52 PM GMT on August 12, 2012    
The last time Doc declared a system dead:

Update on remains of TD 10
Posted by: JeffMasters, 3:40 PM EDT on August 22, 2005 +0

I've been reluctant to pay much heed to the remains of TD 10 after declaring the system dead forever


well I think we all know what happened. Ya woulda thought the good Dr would've learned a lesson- never ever EVER call a system dead.
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377. BahaHurican 8:54 PM GMT on August 12, 2012    
Quoting Jedkins01:


Unfortunately we are stuck in a pattern that means lots of heavy rain for everyone except the near coastline in most cases, I'm one of those places that is near the coastline. I've never had this little amount of rain at this point in August, it's so weird because we got absolutely slammed throughout June and July and ever since I've lived here you can count on August bringing even more than June and July. The patterns for rain throughout all of August so far have not favored this area, and it seems that when rain is around is it is avoiding us at all costs. I'm just glad we did have so much rain in June and July because this area is typically soaked in August but strangely not so far. I would imagine this strange trend has to end sooner or later.
I thought most of the AUG period rains came AFTER the 15th.... I know it's true here. The first 10 days of Aug are almost dry... the last 10 are almost always rainy... but W coast FL may be different.
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378. Chicklit 8:54 PM GMT on August 12, 2012    
Quoting redwagon:

Got home, WU dropped ex-7? Doesn't look all that dead to me?

nor to some of us.
It would be nice to better the best.
And don't give me that crap about a stopped clock being right once a day. (not you red wagon)

According to Levi, the models are maybe coming around to persistence.
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379. wunderkidcayman 8:54 PM GMT on August 12, 2012    
Quoting Chicklit:

The models were showing zero development for TD7.
It's in the headlines. Dr. Masters' blog, NHC 2 p.m. Discussion...Kman has been pointing out its persistence.

hmm so very true
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380. CaicosRetiredSailor 8:55 PM GMT on August 12, 2012    
Quoting Patrap:
TD 7 still lurks..










Lurk-Caster

: )
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381. Tribucanes 8:56 PM GMT on August 12, 2012    
You well may be RIGHT wonderkidcayman! There I said it. :)
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382. BahaHurican 8:57 PM GMT on August 12, 2012    
Quoting Tribucanes:
wunderkidcayman must be thrilled. He's been saying TD07 would be making a comeback since they declassified it.
Before they declassified it... lol

Quoting aquak9:
The last time Doc declared a system dead:

Update on remains of TD 10
Posted by: JeffMasters, 3:40 PM EDT on August 22, 2005 +0

I've been reluctant to pay much heed to the remains of TD 10 after declaring the system dead forever


well I think we all know what happened. Ya woulda thought the good Dr would've learned a lesson- never ever EVER call a system dead.
Just hope the outcome isn't similar!

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383. redwagon 8:57 PM GMT on August 12, 2012    
Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:

Way too many. I need to get a life. XD

What's wrong with wx obs as a daily hobby - weather IS daily - and that's what Edison did for years on end, so we're in good company.

I'd rather learn than let the mainstream media try to un-learn me with their crap. It isn't even edu-crap anymore, just crap.
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384. SubtropicalHi 8:57 PM GMT on August 12, 2012    
Quoting Chicklit:

My summer is ending as we blog...boo hoo


Sorry.
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385. SAINTHURRIFAN 8:57 PM GMT on August 12, 2012    
Yeah that was some cold front that came through south MS.We got down to 75 degrees for lows and in the 90/s now.According to WU local thats about what we will get out of this artic outbreak this weekend.Hey pat hope you did not freeze with this last front lol.Through pushing in to central gulf this time year?Priceless.Only time i ever seen that it turned charlie ENE into south Florida, not striaght to Mexico.Dont freeze at the dome friday night Pat.
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386. Tribucanes 8:57 PM GMT on August 12, 2012    
I never said it would one way or another. Interesting to see if the NHC today mentions that very real possibility that Levi mentioned.
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387. Tribucanes 8:59 PM GMT on August 12, 2012    
Quoting redwagon:

What's wrong with wx obs as a daily hobby - weather IS daily - and that's what Edison did for years on end, so we're in good company.

I'd rather learn than let the mainstream media try to un-learn me with their crap. It isn't even edu-crap anymore, just crap.


+1000
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388. BahaHurican 9:01 PM GMT on August 12, 2012    
Quoting SAINTHURRIFAN:
Yeah that was some cold front that came through south MS.We got down to 75 degrees for lows and in the 90/s now.According to WU local thats about what we will get out of this artic outbreak this weekend.Hey pat hope you did not freeze with this last front lol.Through pushing in to central gulf this time year?Priceless.Only time i ever seen that it turned charlie ENE into south Florida, not striaght to Mexico.Dont freeze at the dome friday night Pat.
Hey, FAN... howareya doing? Besides cold...
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389. wunderkidcayman 9:02 PM GMT on August 12, 2012    
Quoting Tribucanes:
You well may be RIGHT wonderkidcayman! There I said it. :)

I knew it lol I tell you it happens to me alot eveyone call a system dead or doing something I see it doing else I strongly think it will I having to be persistent everyone says I'm hypecasting or wishcasting with what I am saying and the bam it does it and I win hmm well I guess it one more for my leaderboard lol
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390. icmoore 9:02 PM GMT on August 12, 2012    
Quoting Tribucanes:
You well may be RIGHT wonderkidcayman! There I said it. :)


What? The first post I see is this! I guess I better get busy reading back!
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391. JLPR2 9:02 PM GMT on August 12, 2012    
Already past my longitude, looks like no squally weather for me...

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392. redwagon 9:03 PM GMT on August 12, 2012    
Quoting aquak9:
The last time Doc declared a system dead:

Update on remains of TD 10
Posted by: JeffMasters, 3:40 PM EDT on August 22, 2005 +0

I've been reluctant to pay much heed to the remains of TD 10 after declaring the system dead forever


well I think we all know what happened. Ya woulda thought the good Dr would've learned a lesson- never ever EVER call a system dead.

I meant under 'tropical weather' ex-7 isn't listed. Which doesn't mean Dr. Jeff de-listed it, but maybe the NHC did and WU software is not getting any info about ex-7.
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393. icmoore 9:05 PM GMT on August 12, 2012    
Quoting icmoore:


What? The first post I see is this! I guess I better get busy reading back!


Didn't have to read very far back LOL!
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394. Tropicsweatherpr 9:05 PM GMT on August 12, 2012    
Quoting JLPR2:
Already past my longitude, looks like no squally weather for me...



Yeah,last night I thought we would get some today but nada.
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395. wunderkidcayman 9:06 PM GMT on August 12, 2012    
Quoting BahaHurican:
Before they declassified it... lol

Just hope the outcome isn't similar!




yeah well I did not see it degenerating at first but laterone I saw it and the I still said it will make a comeback
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396. Bluestorm5 9:06 PM GMT on August 12, 2012    
Quoting aquak9:
The last time Doc declared a system dead:

Update on remains of TD 10
Posted by: JeffMasters, 3:40 PM EDT on August 22, 2005 +0

I've been reluctant to pay much heed to the remains of TD 10 after declaring the system dead forever


well I think we all know what happened. Ya woulda thought the good Dr would've learned a lesson- never ever EVER call a system dead.
Yup... TD10 became TD 12. TD 12 became Tropical Storm heading for Flordia named............. Katrina. TS Katrina went on to be a major hurricane Katrina, killing 2000 people and destroyed Louisiana and Mississippi.
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397. PedleyCA 9:07 PM GMT on August 12, 2012    
Quoting BahaHurican:
Why is my internet always this lousy on Sunday afternoons???


Who is your provider?
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398. BahaHurican 9:08 PM GMT on August 12, 2012    
Well, sometimes you just have to let it go... if it's dead, well, it's dead. But it's also important to make sure it's not just drugged or holding its breath....

LOL
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399. GPTGUY 9:09 PM GMT on August 12, 2012    
Quoting wunderkidcayman:

I knew it lol I tell you it happens to me alot eveyone call a system dead or doing something I see it doing else I strongly think it will I having to be persistent everyone says I'm hypecasting or wishcasting with what I am saying and the bam it does it and I win hmm well I guess it one more for my leaderboard lol



You lose..If I recall you said regeneration would occur south of Puerto Rico? well it's still a tropical wave the NHC gives it only a 10% chance of redevelopment and looking at WV loops dry air is all over the central caribbean and it still looks to be getting sheared a bit as cloud tops seem to be blowing NE...if ANY regeneration occurs it would be in the NW caribbean or southern GOM. I admire your persistance though
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400. BahaHurican 9:09 PM GMT on August 12, 2012    
Quoting PedleyCA:


Who is your provider?
Our local company is Cable and Wireless.
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401. BahaHurican 9:12 PM GMT on August 12, 2012    
Quoting GPTGUY:



You lose..If I recall you said regeneration would occur south of Puerto Rico? well it's still a tropical wave the NHC gives it only a 10% chance of redevelopment and looking at WV loops dry air is all over the central caribbean and it still looks to be getting sheared a bit as cloud tops seem to be blowing NE...if ANY regeneration occurs it would be in the NW caribbean or southern GOM. I admire your persistance though
Actually he has been saying closer to JA for quite a while... and NOT talking about it regenerating S of PR...

400. BahaHurican 5:09 PM EDT on August 12, 2012
This is getting to be redikilus...
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