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Ex-TD 7 reawakening; Gordon Azores-bound; 94L may be a long-range threat
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 2:39 PM GMT on August 17, 2012 +37
Satellite loops show that a small area of disturbed weather with an increasing amount of heavy thunderstorms has developed in southern Gulf of Mexico's Bay of Campeche, in association with the remnants of Tropical Depression Seven. Heavy rains from ex-TD-7 are beginning to impact the coast of Mexico between Tampico and Veracruz, and radar from Mexico shows some rotation to the echoes, but little in the way of spiral banding. With wind shear a light 5 -10 knots and very warm ocean waters of 30°C to take advantage of, ex-TD-7 has a 70% chance of becoming a tropical cyclone before it makes landfall over the Mexican coast on Saturday, said NHC in their 8 am EDT Tropical Weather Outlook. A hurricane hunter aircraft will investigate ex-TD-7 this afternoon around 2 pm EDT. Ex-TD-7's west-northwest to northwest motion should continue through landfall, and the storm may be capable of bringing heavy rains of 3 - 6 inches to the Mexican coast near Tampico. Brownsville, Texas should stay just north of the heavy rain area of ex-TD-7.


Figure 1. Morning satellite image of ex-TD 7.

Tropical Storm Gordon heads toward the Azores
Tropical Storm Gordon continues eastwards towards the Azores, and is not a threat to any other land areas. Satellite loops show Gordon has a respectable amount of organization and heavy thunderstorm activity. Gordon's environment has gotten marginal for a hurricane--wind shear is moderate, 10 - 20 knots, and ocean temperatures are near 26.5°C, which is right at the border of where hurricanes can usually exist. Water vapor satellite loops show a large region of dry air on the south side of the storm. The 8 am EDT run of the SHIPS model predicts that wind shear will remain moderate through Saturday night, then rise steeply to 30 - 40 knots on Sunday. At the same time, ocean temperatures will drop to 25°C. By Sunday, the combined effects of high wind shear, dry air, and cooler waters will likely act to weaken Gordon and make it no longer tropical. However, Gordon will probably still be strong enough Sunday night to potentially bring damaging winds and heavy rain to the Azores Islands. The extratropical remnants of Gordon will not bring any strong winds or significant rain to Europe.


Figure 2. Tropical Storm Gordon as seen by NASA's Terra satellite at 10:25 am EDT August 16, 2012. At the time, Gordon was strengthening, with 50 mph top winds. Image credit: NASA.

94L developing off the coast of Africa
A large tropical wave emerged from the coast of Africa Thursday night, and was designated Invest 94L by NHC this Friday morning. The models have been very gung-ho on this system, and develop it into a tropical storm by the middle of next week. 94L will follow a west to west-northwest track over the next week, and may threaten the northern Lesser Antilles Islands as early as Friday, August 24. This storm could eventually affect Bermuda, the U.S. East Coast, or Canada 10 - 14 days from now, but could also recurve harmlessly out to sea well before reaching the Lesser Antilles, as suggested by the 00 UTC run of the GFS model. In their 8 am EDT Tropical Weather Outlook, NHC gave 94L a 10% chance of developing into a tropical depression by Sunday morning.


Figure 3. MODIS satellite image of Invest 94L taken at 8 am EDT August 17, 2012, off the coast of Africa. Image credit: NASA.

I'll have a new post this afternoon.

Jeff Masters
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101. kshipre1 3:35 PM GMT on August 17, 2012    
well said
Quoting floridaboy14:
2 scenarios. rapidly develops and becomes a fish storm, or waits to develop farther west and becomes a problem for the bahamas and east coast
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102. kshipre1 3:36 PM GMT on August 17, 2012    
oh, ok, thanks! weather is fascinating stuff to learn. I guess things could change as far as a zonal flow right? So, this means that more storms have a chance to make it further west?
Quoting nrtiwlnvragn:


Look at the isobar lines over Canada, they are all oriented west-to-east (zonal) so no trough to pick up a storm and recurve it.
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103. tropicfreak 3:36 PM GMT on August 17, 2012    
Quoting Bluestorm5:
One thing about 94L is that all of the models are showing recurve out to the sea, BUT the experts seems to not think so... hmm.



I think they are seeing more ridging than what the models are depicting.
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104. AussieStorm 3:36 PM GMT on August 17, 2012    
'll leave you all with this Aussie Classic....
Enjoy



Goodnight, Happy Tracking. Stay well, Stay safe :-)
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105. MAweatherboy1 3:37 PM GMT on August 17, 2012    
I'm pretty confident that this is a tropical depression:



It'll be tough for it to intensify much beyond 45- 50mph or so though, since it will either make landfall too soon to strengthen much or upwelling will hurt it if it stays over water.
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106. ncstorm 3:37 PM GMT on August 17, 2012    
and here we go..12z GFS running
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107. MississippiWx 3:38 PM GMT on August 17, 2012    
Quoting MississippiWx:
Flow to the north and east of 07L is out of the SSE. I wouldn't be surprised to see it begin moving slowly in a NNW direction, not making landfall as early as NHC is expecting.



Might have to modify this comment after looking at the new visible frame update from NASA. Center looks to be consolidating awfully close to shore already, very near the large blow up of convection. A nice band has developed to the north and it is feeding in to the system. Will be interesting to see if the approaching trough to the north will be able to stall the system enough for it to begin the more northward movement I mentioned.

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108. tropicfreak 3:38 PM GMT on August 17, 2012    
Quoting AussieStorm:


The whole region is spinning around ex-TD7


That trough is moving south... expect a turn to the north soon.
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109. Stormchaser2007 3:39 PM GMT on August 17, 2012    
So looks like the NHC extended tropical outlook that I posted nine days ago was pretty spot on.

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110. ncstorm 3:39 PM GMT on August 17, 2012    
18 hours in
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111. floridaboy14 3:39 PM GMT on August 17, 2012    
Quoting MississippiWx:


Might have to modify this comment after looking at the new visible frame update from NASA. Center looks to be consolidating awfully close to shore already, very near the large blow up of convection. A nice band has developed to the north and it is feeding in to the system. Will be interesting to see if the approaching trough to the north will be able to stall the system enough for it to begin the more northward movement I mentioned.

looks to be moving NNW. we will see where the HH find that center but they better hurry
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112. sunlinepr 3:41 PM GMT on August 17, 2012    
May day May day!!!!!!!!!!!!

August day....


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113. nrtiwlnvragn 3:41 PM GMT on August 17, 2012    
Quoting hydrus:
I dont mind saying if that were to materialize, we may have some problems.


GOERRS plots show a wide, wide, wide range of possibilities.....


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114. ncstorm 3:41 PM GMT on August 17, 2012    
36 hours
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115. MississippiWx 3:41 PM GMT on August 17, 2012    
Quoting Stormchaser2007:
So looks like the NHC extended tropical outlook that I posted nine days ago was pretty spot on.



I was thinking that earlier. Fairly interesting.
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116. TXCWC 3:42 PM GMT on August 17, 2012    
Quoting Stormchaser2007:
EnKF ensembles have a relatvely strong agreement in TD7 moving much more east than the traditional models show.



It is for this reason why I am not completely sold on a 24hr landfall/continued inland track that track modles are showing - GFS and others have been insistent up to this point on a land hugging system making it's way slowly north up shore. But hey, I am not the NHC and am probaly wrong. Only thing I can possibly see in the track models being correct right now is if GFS, FIM, and others are initilizing further East than where center actually is for BOC system. But again, I am just a blog poster on WU and not the NHC :)
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117. Matt74 3:42 PM GMT on August 17, 2012    
Quoting WxGeekVA:
#63 there is no need to attack another blogger like that, especially a positive contributor such as Neapolitan. Reported and #44 for the iggy list.
Really? What is this, gradeschool?
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118. WxGeekVA 3:42 PM GMT on August 17, 2012    


Will 94L do this? Maybe the trough will try to pick it up, but the high will build back in and push it northeastward towards the East coast due to the zonal flow... And I'm not saying that it will be like the monster that Isabel was, but that is the best I can come up with.
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119. AussieStorm 3:43 PM GMT on August 17, 2012    
Quoting tropicfreak:


That trough is moving south... expect a turn to the north soon.


Is this what the HWRF is showing. Note the high precip off Tx and La.


Goodnight all.
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120. sunlinepr 3:43 PM GMT on August 17, 2012    
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121. TXCWC 3:43 PM GMT on August 17, 2012    
Quoting ncstorm:
36 hours


"...a day OR SO..." GFS still not showing landfall.
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122. TropicalAnalystwx13 3:44 PM GMT on August 17, 2012    
Those thinking we're done with 07L after it moves into Mexico tomorrow are wrong. A deepening trough to its NE should be able to pull it back over water and induce a NE motion for a while.

Don't be surprised of we have a storm sitting off the coast of Texas in a week.
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123. Neapolitan 3:44 PM GMT on August 17, 2012    
Quoting keisa90:


I think Joe B does a great job with pattern recognition during the hurricane season. Just because you don't like his political stance doesn't make him a bad forecaster.
But we weren't talking about his lack of ability as a forecaster; a poster brought up his "value" as someone to follow on Twitter, and I pointed out that his overabundance of angry, disrespectful, illogical, anti-science rants make him someone to definitely not follow on Twitter (or anywhere else, now that I think about it).
Quoting NativeSun:
Neo if you had 1/10th the weather knowledge that JB has than I would take you a lot more serious also don't rule out his ideas on global warming, it's nice to view information from the other side.
A) Where climate science is concerned, there is no other side. B) I don't need 1/10 the weather knowledge JB claims to possess, because I don't claim to be the World's Premier Weather Forecaster And All-Around Climate Science Expert. (Guess who does.) ;-)
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124. kmanislander 3:45 PM GMT on August 17, 2012    
Good morning

Several different model runs of 94L disagree on the future track. The GFS and Canadian take it into the North Atlantic about halfway across and the Euro and Nogaps have a much lower and more Westerly track as a potential threat to the Northern Antilles.

It is too soon to say which camp has a better handle on this and we have lots of time to watch it. It would seem that the CV season is about to get rolling in earnest.

As for ex TD7, the BOC is the area where I posted a few days ago we could see a piece of energy left over from the Caribbean making it into that area and acting as the seed for a regeneration of the system so not much of a surprise there. Whatever develops there will likely go ashore soon.
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125. floridaboy14 3:45 PM GMT on August 17, 2012    
Quoting WxGeekVA:


Will 94L do this? Maybe the trough will try to pick it up, but the high will build back in and push it northeastward towards the East coast due to the zonal flow... And I'm not saying that it will be like the monster that Isabel was, but that is the best I can come up with.
isabel was a cat 5. a strong hurricane that far east would recurve. 94L has to wait to become a hurricane further west to hit the US.
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126. CybrTeddy 3:45 PM GMT on August 17, 2012    
Quoting Stormchaser2007:
EnKF ensembles have a relatvely strong agreement in TD7 moving much more east than the traditional models show.



Curious, what is the track record for the EnKF ensembles?
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127. ncstorm 3:46 PM GMT on August 17, 2012    

two separate pieces of energy?
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128. Skyepony (Mod) 3:46 PM GMT on August 17, 2012    
TRMM passs of 07L. Click pick for small quicktime movie.

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129. sunlinepr 3:46 PM GMT on August 17, 2012    
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130. washingtonian115 3:47 PM GMT on August 17, 2012    
Quoting WxGeekVA:


Will 94L do this? Maybe the trough will try to pick it up, but the high will build back in and push it northeastward towards the East coast due to the zonal flow... And I'm not saying that it will be like the monster that Isabel was, but that is the best I can come up with.
Oh please no.Isabel knocked out power to me for 2 weeks with a huge tree that had crashed down in my backyard and smashed one of my husbands old cars.George Town was flooded as well and some of the eateries were closed for weeks on end.Power lines were down old trees snapped in half.That morning after Isabel passed we had to venture some where all the way out in Maryland to eat breakfast.So no more Isabel's :(.
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131. AussieStorm 3:47 PM GMT on August 17, 2012    
Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:
Those thinking we're done with 07L after it moves into Mexico tomorrow are wrong. A deepening trough to its NE should be able to pull it back over water and induce a NE motion for a while.

Don't be surprised of we have a storm sitting off the coast of Texas in a week.

I said that twice on the last blog. you can check if you want.

Ok, I'm really going to bed now.
Goodnight all
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132. Stormchaser2007 3:47 PM GMT on August 17, 2012    
Heavy interaction with the ITCZ on the 12z GFS so far brings 94L WSW after 54 hours.

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133. TXCWC 3:48 PM GMT on August 17, 2012    
12Z GFS center landfall for BOC system not until 54hr period and even then JUST ON OR HUGGING THE SHORE...




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134. ncstorm 3:48 PM GMT on August 17, 2012    
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135. jascott1967 3:49 PM GMT on August 17, 2012    
Quoting GTcooliebai:
The shortwave energy hasn't reached us yet.



Watching the moisture coming down from the north makes me sad...looks like it's all going to be just east of me again.
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136. Stormchaser2007 3:49 PM GMT on August 17, 2012    
Quoting CybrTeddy:


Curious, what is the track record for the EnKF ensembles?


Part of the HFIP program launched in 2009. Basically they are just higher-res GFS and FIM ensembles with some minor physics tweaking.

I've been using them since 2010, and they seem to do best with well developed systems.
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137. yqt1001 3:50 PM GMT on August 17, 2012    
Just curious, a couple days ago the models showed a cold-front induced area of low pressure developing. I'm no expert and I haven't actually been able to look at those model runs, but maybe what they saw instead was TD7 reborn?
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138. TXCWC 3:51 PM GMT on August 17, 2012    
66hr definetly BACK OFF SHORE and still developing...

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139. weathermanwannabe 3:51 PM GMT on August 17, 2012    
124. kmanislander 11:45 AM EDT on August 17, 2012

Good synopsis. Just noting below that SAL will not be as much of an issue for 94L as it lies within a very nice surge of moisture at the moment.

Current SAL:

Link
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140. WxGeekVA 3:51 PM GMT on August 17, 2012    


This looks like a T.D. to me... Depends on if we have a closed surface low or not... But I'm guessing that it does.
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141. MAweatherboy1 3:51 PM GMT on August 17, 2012    
Look at the Eastern US:

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142. ncstorm 3:51 PM GMT on August 17, 2012    
66 hours in
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143. sunlinepr 3:52 PM GMT on August 17, 2012    
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144. Stormchaser2007 3:52 PM GMT on August 17, 2012    
Magnitude of this CCKW is impressive.

Largely negative anomalies for a good portion of the Atlantic.

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145. mcluvincane 3:53 PM GMT on August 17, 2012    
Gfs looks more south with 94L this go around
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146. Jedkins01 3:54 PM GMT on August 17, 2012    
Quoting GTcooliebai:
The shortwave energy hasn't reached us yet.



There is more than one short wave present, one is already in the eastern gulf, granted it's a very weak one but even a weak one such as this is normally plenty enough to produce significant rainfall around Tampa Bay with such a pattern. This one is not, why I don't know, but it is what is.
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147. WxGeekVA 3:54 PM GMT on August 17, 2012    


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148. Stormchaser2007 3:54 PM GMT on August 17, 2012    
GFS develops a strung-out sruface trof over the Gulf right off of Mexico after the first surface circulation makes landfall.

In theory, this could be very problematic for any forecast track.
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149. ncstorm 3:54 PM GMT on August 17, 2012    


BOC!
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150. Gearsts 3:55 PM GMT on August 17, 2012    
Quoting Stormchaser2007:
Magnitude of this CCKW is impressive.

Largely negative anomalies for a good portion of the Atlantic.

And what does it mean?
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151. ncstorm 3:56 PM GMT on August 17, 2012    
look at the rain on 72 hours from the GOM to the East coast..
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