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Three Atlantic threat areas may develop; a record fire season for the U.S.
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 2:43 PM GMT on August 20, 2012 +59
A large tropical wave (Invest 94L) located about 1100 miles east of the Lesser Antilles Islands is headed west at 20 - 25 mph, and is showing increasing organization today. The storm is under light wind shear of 5 - 10 knots, and is over waters of 27°C. A large area of dry air lies just to the north of 94L, as seen on the latest Saharan Air Layer (SAL) analysis and water vapor satellite loops. This dry air is interfering with development, and this morning's visible satellite loop shows that 94L's heavy thunderstorm activity is sparse. However, the satellite loops do show that 94L has now separated from the clumps of heavy thunderstorms to its south, and a pretty well-defined surface circulation has developed. Heavy thunderstorms are now attempting to fire up around this circulation center, but are being hampered by dry air. The center of 94L was about 80 miles to the north of buoy 41041 at 10 am Monday morning, and the buoy recorded SW winds of 10 mph, confirming that 94L probably does have a closed surface circulation. The disturbance will have to build and maintain more heavy thunderstorms than it has now to be considered a tropical depression, though. The first hurricane hunter mission into 94L is scheduled for Tuesday afternoon.


Figure 1. Morning satellite image of Invest 94L.

Forecast for 94L
The latest 8 am EDT run of the SHIPS model predicts that wind shear will be low, 5 - 10 knots, for the next five days. Ocean temperatures will warm from 27°C this morning to 28.5°C by Wednesday morning, and the total heat content of the ocean will increase sharply during that period, as well. The main impediment to development will be dry air to the north, and the SHIPS model predicts the amount of dry air will change little over the next five days. I expect that 94L will continue to struggle with dry air through Wednesday, when it will probably have had enough time to moisten the surrounding atmosphere and protect itself against the dry air. The models have shown increasing unity in taking 94L through the Lesser Antilles on Wednesday, and I expect the storm will be a tropical depression or weak tropical storm with 40 - 50 mph winds at that time. In their 8 am EDT Tropical Weather Outlook, NHC gave 94L a 80% chance of developing into a tropical depression by Wednesday morning. None of the reliable models predict that 94L will reach hurricane strength over the next five days, and it is unlikely that 94L will be able to organize quickly enough to become anything stronger than a 60 mph tropical storm before reaching the Lesser Antilles, given the storm's current struggles with dry air, and the lack of model support for intensification. However, once 94L enters the Eastern Caribbean, wind shear will be low, oceanic heat content high, and the storm should have had enough time to moisten the atmosphere to allow steady strengthening to occur. The main factor that might prevent intensification into a hurricane late this week would be a close pass by the island of Hispaniola. Our top models for long-range 4 - 5 days forecasts all show a path for 94L very close to the island.

Will 94L hit the U.S. mainland?
This storm is a long-range threat to the U.S., as historically, 16% of storms in 94L's location have gone on to hit the U.S., with North Carolina the preferred target (10% chance.) A trough of low pressure capable of pulling 94L to the north enters Western Canada Thursday night, and the exact timing and amplitude of this trough will determine the ultimate landfall location of 94L. The long range 7 - 14 day runs of the GFS model over the past three day have all predicted an eventual landfall for 94L in the U.S., though these long-range runs are notoriously unreliable. The predicted landfall locations have ranged from New England to Texas--which isn't much help. The past three runs beginning on Sunday afternoon have all taken 94L over Florida during the August 27 - 29 time frame, which I'm sure is making organizers of the Republican National Convention uncomfortable, since the convention is in Tampa August 27 - 30. However, 94L could miss Florida completely, as the average error in model forecasts going out 7 days is in excess of 500 miles. We can't rule out a North Carolina landfall, but the pattern we've seen so far this year is for landfalls in Mexico's Yucatan Peninsula, so a more southwards path for 94L into the Yucatan is definitely a possibility. Also, we have that huge drought region in the Midwest, which tends to create its own high pressure bubble, which reduces the odds of storms making the turn and hitting the Central or Western Gulf Coast. If 94L makes it to the Western Caribbean, I see the two most likely options as a landfall in Mexico's Yucatan Peninsula (and then westwards into Mexico south of the Texas border), or recurvature into the Florida Gulf Coast.


Figure 2. MODIS satellite image of Hurricane Gordon taken on Sunday August 19, 2012, at 11:55 am EDT. At the time, Gordon was a Category 2 hurricane with 100 mph winds. Image credit: NASA.

Gordon hits the Azores
The eye of Hurricane Gordon passed over Santa Maria Island in the eastern Azores Islands near 1:30 am EDT this morning. Gordon was a Category 1 hurricane with 75 - 80 mph winds at landfall. Winds at the Santa Maria airport reached a sustained 49 mph at 3 am EDT, but the airport did not report winds during passage of the eyewall at 1:30 am. Reuters reported that Gordon caused only minor flooding and power outages. The hurricane is being sheared apart by strong upper-level winds, and the extratropical remnants of Gordon will not bring any strong winds or significant rain to Europe.

Disturbance 95L in the Gulf near the Texas/Mexico border
A region of disturbed weather (Invest 95L) has developed in the Gulf of Mexico off the coast, just northeast of Tampico, Mexico. The disturbance is due to a trough of low pressure and its associated cold front which moved off the coast over the weekend, but has been fortified via moisture from Tropical Storm Helene, which made landfall Saturday near Tampico. If 95L were to develop into a tropical storm, it would receive a new name. In their 8 am EDT Tropical Weather Outlook, NHC gave 95L a 30% chance of developing into a tropical cyclone by Wednesday morning. An Air Force hurricane hunter aircraft is scheduled to investigate 95L this afternoon. Winds at Tampico this morning were light out of the northeast, which implies that no surface circulation is forming at this time. Radar out of Altamira, Mexico does show some banding to the precipitation echoes, though, which may be indicative of something trying to spin up. The computer models show that 95L should move little over the next few days.


Figure 3. Radar out of Altamira, Mexico at 9:45 am EDT August 20, 2012, shows some banding to the precipitation echoes in association with 95L.

Disturbance 96L off the coast of Africa
The tropical Atlantic is very busy this third week of August, and this is the week of the year that we typically see a major ramp-up of tropical storm activity in the Atlantic. A new tropical wave that emerged from the coast of Africa Sunday (Invest 96L) is headed west at 15 - 20 mph. This disturbance has a modest amount of spin and heavy thunderstorm activity, and is under a moderate 10 - 20 knots of wind shear. In their 8 am EDT Tropical Weather Outlook, NHC gave 96L a 20% chance of developing into a tropical cyclone by Wednesday morning. This disturbance does not have much model support for development.


Figure 4. The new Suomi National Polar-orbiting Partnership satellite (S-NPP) carries an instrument so sensitive to low light levels that it can detect wildfires in the middle of the night. On August 17, 2012, the Visible Infrared Imaging Radiometer Suite (VIIRS) on Suomi-NPP acquired this image of the wildfires blazing in Idaho. The images were created with data from the instrument’s "day-night band," which sensed the fire in the visible portion of the spectrum. The Halstead Fire, centered about 18 miles northwest of Stanley, was sparked by lightning on July 27, and is burning in an area with large numbers of trees killed by the mountain pine beetle. As of Sunday afternoon, the fire had burned 92,000 acres was only 5% contained, according to InciWeb. The fire prompted the evacuation of the town of Featherville on Saturday night. Red flag warnings for adverse fire weather were posted in the region yesterday, and temperatures reached the low 90s with 16% humidity and winds of 10 mph. Image credit: NASA.

A record fire season in the U.S.
Massive fires continue to burn in Nevada, Idaho and California, and fires that are currently active in the Western U.S. have consumed over 1.3 million acres of land--an area approximately the size of Delaware. Thanks to widespread drought and unusually high temperatures over the past month, 3 million acres have gone up in flames since mid-July, and the fire season of 2012 now ranks in first place for the most acreage burned at this point in the year. According to the Interagency Fire Center, 6.8 million acres have burned as of August 19 this year, beating the previous record set just last year (6.5 million acres for the year-to-date period.) The Interagency Fire Center shows year-to-date records just for the past ten years. The 2012 fire season is well ahead of the pace of 2006, which was the worst fire year in the U.S. for total acreage burned in a year (records began in 1960). In 2006, 9.9 million acres burned, and 6.4 million acres had burned by August 19. With drought conditions far more widespread this year compared to 2006, and the latest forecasts calling for little drought relief over the coming two months, 2012 is likely to surpass 2006 as the worst fire year in U.S. history before the end of the year.


Figure 5. Comparison of drought conditions between the previous record fire year in the contiguous U.S. (2006) with 2012. Drought is much more widespread in 2012 compared to 2006, and 2012 will likely finish ahead of 2006 for the most acreage burned since record keeping began in 1960. Image credit: U.S. Drought Monitor.

Global warming expected to increase fire activity in the Western U.S.
As I blogged about in June, the severe fire seasons of 2012 and 2011 fit the pattern of what we expect to see more of with global warming. Hotter heat waves dry out vegetation more readily, resulting in increased probability of more acreage burned. A study published in the Journal Ecosphere in June 2012 used fire models driven by the output from sixteen climate models used in the 2007 IPCC report and found that while 8% of the planet should see decreases in fire activity over the next 30 years, 38% should see increases. By the end of the century, 20% of the globe should see decreased fire activity, and 62% increased fire activity. In the U.S., the regions most at risk of increased fires are the tundra regions of northern Alaska, and the West, with Arizona and Colorado at particularly high risk.

Jeff Masters
hugh blanket of smoke (got2dogs)
blew in about an hr after my last upload here - I thought I was done for the nite, but this smoke was incredible! made for some awesome light - sooooo eerie!
hugh blanket of smoke
Smoke! What smoke ?? (saltydawgg)
12th Ave road South looking north. Nampa Idaho full of smoke from 7 fires at last count with more dry lightning on the way.
Smoke! What smoke ??
Temecula Fire (photoandy)
This is just two hours after ignition! It quickly became a PYROCUMULUS...
Temecula Fire
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851. HurricaneDean07 7:36 PM GMT on August 20, 2012    
Quoting Levi32:
So far, a whole lotta nothing for 95L. All westerly winds associated with the frontal boundary, so no circulation yet by the looks of it.


There's some sort of Circulation that they passed to the south of... Not sure... If they gonna go back and investigate that or not.
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853. stormwatcherCI 7:37 PM GMT on August 20, 2012    
Quoting CosmicEvents:
What more could develop?
May she RIP.
IDK lol. I just copied and pasted.
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854. Levi32 7:38 PM GMT on August 20, 2012    
Quoting StormTracker2K:



I don't see anything scientific about that track from levi. Especially when the Euro and GFS are showing a FL storm this weekend. I always back up my post with facts as I did when the GFS was coming out showing the trough of the east breaking off and moving SW into the Gulf while opening the door for 94L to move into FL.



Click my handle and read/watch my blog if you would like to see the scientific reasoning behind my forecast. A couple of models are not everything. We've learned that lesson many times.
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855. aussiecold 7:38 PM GMT on August 20, 2012    
827. LargoFl 7:28 PM GMT on August 20, 2012 +0
Quoting aussiecold:
753. Chiggy 7:11 PM GMT on August 20, 2012 0
Quoting StormTracker2K:
Tampa say hi to Issac.


Well, if it is showing hitting close to Tampa this far out then we ALL know that's not going to happen - when was the last time Tampa had a direct hit...?
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1946!actually the 1924 storm came closest, and that went in at tarpon springs to our north
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he did ask for last direct hit in tampa area ,no for the closest one .....1851,1924,1946,,,and then 120 miles south Charley in 2005
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856. Chicklit 7:38 PM GMT on August 20, 2012    
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE MELBOURNE FL
240 PM EDT MON AUG 20 2012

AMZ550-552-555-FLZ041-044>047-053-054-058-059-064 -141-144-147-202030-
COASTAL VOLUSIA-FLAGLER BEACH TO VOLUSIA-BREVARD COUNTY LINE OUT TO 20 NM-INDIAN RIVER-INLAND VOLUSIA-MARTIN-NORTHERN BREVARD-NORTHERN LAKE-OKEECHOBEE-ORANGE-OSCEOLA-
SEBASTIAN INLET TO JUPITER INLET OUT TO 20 NM-SEMINOLE-SOUTHERN BREVARD-SOUTHERN LAKE-ST. LUCIE-VOLUSIA-BREVARD COUNTY LINE TO SEBASTIAN INLET OUT TO 20 NM-
240 PM EDT MON AUG 20 2012

.NOW...

THE STORMS WILL INITIALLY FORM WEST OF EAST CENTRAL FLORIDA AND MOVE NORTHEAST AT 15 TO 20 MPH OVER LAKE...INLAND VOLUSIA...SEMINOLE...ORANGE...OSCEOLA OKEECHOBEE COUNTIES AND INTO COASTAL VOLUSIA...NORTH
BREVARD COUNTIES AND INTO SOUTH BREVARD AND INDIAN RIVER COUNTIES LATE AFTERNOON. STORMS MAY REACH SAINT LUCIE AND MARTIN COUNTIES TOWARD SUNSET. LOCATIONS FROM THE VILLAGES TO LEESBURG...CLERMONT...THE THEME PARKS IN SOUTHWEST ORANGE COUNTY TO NORTH OKEECHOBEE COUNTY
AND EAST TO DELAND...SANFORD...BITHLO...NARCOOSSEE AND YEEHAW JUNCTION IN NORTHEAST OKEECHOBEE COUNTY WILL EXPERIENCE STORMS CAPABLE OF PRODUCING BRIEF HEAVY RAIN...WIND GUSTS TO 30 MPH AND OCCASIONAL LIGHTNING STRIKES THE REST OF THE AFTERNOON.

STORMS MAY INTENSIFY AS THEY APPROACH THE COAST DAYTONA BEACH TO CAPE CANAVERAL THEN SOUTH TO SEBASTIAN INLET LATE AFTERNOON AND EARLY EVENING. STRONG GUSTY WINDS OVER 50 MPH...FREQUENT LIGHTNING STRIKES...WITH INCREASING FLASH RATES AS THE STORMS INTENSIFY ALONG THE COAST...AND LOCALLY HEAVY RAIN WILL ACCOMPANY THE STRONGER STORMS.

&&

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HTTP://WWW.SRH.NOAA.GOV/MLB/BLOG.PHP

It's gonna be rockin' and rollin' over here along the coast this afternoon.
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857. hurricanejunky 7:39 PM GMT on August 20, 2012    
Quoting 954FtLCane:


Can't believe everyone is forgetting Cleo


Not me! In fact this season I decided to start adding storms to our "Infamous Storms" section by remembering Cleo and Dora, which took a similar path to Beryl. My Mother went thru Cleo as a teenager so it's one (of many) of the storms I used to hear about growing up:
Remembering Hurricane Cleo

I think looking back at some of the lesser known, but regionally significant, storms is very interesting.
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858. wxchaser97 7:40 PM GMT on August 20, 2012    
Quoting robintampabay:



Let me guess, you live in NC

Not even close, SE MI. Never been in a hurricane or TS. Thats just where I think 94L will go for now.
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859. gustaveye 7:40 PM GMT on August 20, 2012    
We need to leave Levi alone and let him do his thing on here. He is more knowledgeable and at least goes out on a limb to give us more information, which most meteorolgists won't do. Hurricane tracking is very unpredictable, so i don't know why people on this blog brag about being right or knocking people for being wrong. A lot of us on here are clueless but there are a lot of people on here that know a good bit. A lot of you sound like armchair QB's. So easy to do...but unless you are in the business you don't know what goes on behind the scenes. I think Levi and others bring that to the table for us. And a BIG thanks to Dr. Masters for his blogs!!
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860. clwstmchasr 7:40 PM GMT on August 20, 2012    
Quoting CarolinaHurricanes87:


Pretty sure the unrest is only amongst trolls. Maybe immature children who obsess over pluses and minuses. I hope they don't get to you because I appreciate your daily tidbits and learn a lot from them.


Levi, don't take it personal. There are trolls who want to stir the pot and there are some folks that are mad because you are forecasting a storm not to come on their direction - and by the way, you are an excellent forecaster. But the last time I checked you don't control the weather and these storms will go wherever they want regardless of yours or anyone else's forecast.
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861. Levi32 7:40 PM GMT on August 20, 2012    
Quoting HurricaneDean07:

There's some sort of Circulation that they passed to the south of... Not sure... If they gonna go back and investigate that or not.


Yeah I kind of messed up the latitude values in my head and thought they hit the "center" but they didn't yet. Could still be some easterlies there.
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862. superweatherman 7:41 PM GMT on August 20, 2012    
You can see it clearly a spin at 95W 25N
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863. Grothar 7:42 PM GMT on August 20, 2012    
Elongated blob. Rare, Hey, Chicklit. remember when they were laughing at us the other night about this.

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864. nrtiwlnvragn 7:42 PM GMT on August 20, 2012    
Quoting Tropicsweatherpr:


Maybe there are problems with the site. Let's see if nrtiwlnvragn knows what is going on.


Nope, can't figure it out. No ATCF update, but Computer Hurricane Guidance did update. No 18Z model plots from any sites that I can find, yet.
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865. aspiring2012 7:42 PM GMT on August 20, 2012    
Quoting Grothar:
Elongated blob. Rare, Hey, Chicklit. remember when they were laughing at us the other night about this.



That looks really threatening and ugly at once.
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866. GTcooliebai 7:42 PM GMT on August 20, 2012    
Can someone explain why the storm after making a turn towards the Northeast bends back towards the West, are we looking at a Fay or Jeanne scenario where the trough leaves quickly and the high builds back in, another storm that did that was 1985 Elena. I noticed the GFS also had hints of this in its earlier run.

Euro 216 hrs.



Euro 240 hrs.

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867. LargoFl 7:42 PM GMT on August 20, 2012    
Quoting aussiecold:
827. LargoFl 7:28 PM GMT on August 20, 2012 +0
Quoting aussiecold:
753. Chiggy 7:11 PM GMT on August 20, 2012 0
Quoting StormTracker2K:
Tampa say hi to Issac.


Well, if it is showing hitting close to Tampa this far out then we ALL know that's not going to happen - when was the last time Tampa had a direct hit...?
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1946!actually the 1924 storm came closest, and that went in at tarpon springs to our north
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he did ask for last direct hit in tampa area ,no for the closest one .....1851,1924,1946,,,and then 120 miles south Charley in 2005
..well i found this...and the Last one to hit Tampa was 1846..flooded the city with storm surge..BUT..the very Lasy hurricane to hit tampa bay was..1921.............The last hurricane to hit Tampa Bay roared through in October 1921, causing widespread damage and a storm surge of 10.5 feet. The center of the storm came ashore in northern Pinellas County, near Tarpon Springs. In Tampa, water swept across DeSoto Park and over the seawall along Bayshore Boulevard. There were numerous reports of debris high in treetops the next day.
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868. Chicklit 7:43 PM GMT on August 20, 2012    
Quoting superweatherman:
You can see it clearly a spin at 95W 25N


LinkWV Loop 95L Floater

Don't know if it's an optical illusion, but 95L looks like it's getting drawn into the trough.
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869. RitaEvac 7:44 PM GMT on August 20, 2012    
This is why you don't want fronts in the GOM during Cane season

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870. Chicklit 7:44 PM GMT on August 20, 2012    
Quoting Grothar:
Elongated blob. Rare, Hey, Chicklit. remember when they were laughing at us the other night about this.



Not sure; which time? lol
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871. hurricanehanna 7:45 PM GMT on August 20, 2012    
Quoting RitaEvac:
This is why you don't want fronts in the GOM during Cane season


gives me the willies....
I hope they don't find a closed COC
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872. HurricaneDean07 7:45 PM GMT on August 20, 2012    
Quoting Levi32:


Yeah I kind of messed up the latitude values in my head and thought they hit the "center" but they didn't yet. Could still be some easterlies there.

Possibly... Though it would surprise me if it was fully closed at this time...
You could see the NHC bump this up to 50% or code red at 8pm though.
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873. jascott1967 7:45 PM GMT on August 20, 2012    
Quoting Levi32:


If atmospheric conditions were unfavorable, Hispaniola would kill it. However, as it stands conditions look to be improving ahead of 94L, which means it is likely to survive a potential passage over the mountains. In addition, weaker storms (not big hurricanes) usually start restrengthening on the other side sooner than strong hurricanes that lose their entire core during the crossing and take days to reorganize.


Hmmm...I did know Hispaniola has been a TS and Hurricane killer (most of the time), or at least a Mike Tyson upper cut to the core and was curious about weaker systems like TD and weak TS's.

Thanks for the response.
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874. Chicklit 7:45 PM GMT on August 20, 2012    
Quoting aspiring2012:


That looks really threatening and ugly at once.

That's a lot of energy.


sorry have to post it again.
awesome.
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875. want2lrn 7:46 PM GMT on August 20, 2012    
Levi, those of us who "lurk" and come here for information and questions, sincerely appreciate yours and many others valuable insight as well as "teachings". Local mets here cant tell you what tomorrow brings, much less Wednesday! Keep up the great work!
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876. kshipre1 7:47 PM GMT on August 20, 2012    
Levi,

do you see the trough lifting out then a high building back in forcing possible Isaac westward? I thought I remember some of the meteorologists indicating a more zonal flow later in the forecast period, thanks
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877. yoboi 7:47 PM GMT on August 20, 2012    
Quoting Grothar:
Elongated blob. Rare, Hey, Chicklit. remember when they were laughing at us the other night about this.




95w 25n looks like the spinner shifted ne since this morn????
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878. VINNY04 7:47 PM GMT on August 20, 2012    
Quoting Grothar:
Elongated blob. Rare, Hey, Chicklit. remember when they were laughing at us the other night about this.

Quoting Grothar:
Elongated blob. Rare, Hey, Chicklit. remember when they were laughing at us the other night about this.

Is that headed south?
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879. floridaboy14 7:48 PM GMT on August 20, 2012    
Levi, how do you like the UKMET track on its recent run?
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880. StormTracker2K 7:48 PM GMT on August 20, 2012    
Quoting LargoFl:
..well i found this...and the Last one to hit Tampa was 1846..flooded the city with storm surge..BUT..the very Lasy hurricane to hit tampa bay was..1921.............The last hurricane to hit Tampa Bay roared through in October 1921, causing widespread damage and a storm surge of 10.5 feet. The center of the storm came ashore in northern Pinellas County, near Tarpon Springs. In Tampa, water swept across DeSoto Park and over the seawall along Bayshore Boulevard. There were numerous reports of debris high in etopshe next day.


I've said it numerous times a piece of the trough over the east right now breaks off by Friday and moves SW into the Gulf creating a NW steering and the a ridge builds on top of 94L and sends it west into the Gulf.

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881. TORMENTOSO83 7:49 PM GMT on August 20, 2012    
94L Is expected to hit the Lesser Antilles and Puerto Rico way before it could get close to U.S.A. main land.
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882. LargoFl 7:49 PM GMT on August 20, 2012    
Republicans Prepare for Long-Shot hurricane at their 2012 convention.......................Link
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883. icmoore 7:49 PM GMT on August 20, 2012    
Quoting Chicklit:

I'm talking about during tropical hurricane season; besides, I don't think I ever saw anything quite that strong over that much area in the Gulf before, so no.


I agree this thing looks like a stretch blob instead of a stretch limo wanting to drive from one coast to the other!
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884. jasblt 7:50 PM GMT on August 20, 2012    
Is this attack LEVI day? Jeez folks, and not everyone, acting like a bunch of stinking 2 year olds. Agree to disagree, you say this way, I say that way, big deal. 3 pages back now there have been personal attacks..let it go. That said, Levi, here's a uneducated guess, Issac will skirt south Fl, make his turn in GOM and final landfall around Mobile Al./ Pensacola Fl. I have eaten much crow in my lifetime, so if I'm wrong, I 'll take another helping.
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885. Chucktown 7:50 PM GMT on August 20, 2012    
Quoting gustaveye:
We need to leave Levi alone and let him do his thing on here. He is more knowledgeable and at least goes out on a limb to give us more information, which most meteorolgists won't do. Hurricane tracking is very unpredictable, so i don't know why people on this blog brag about being right or knocking people for being wrong. A lot of us on here are clueless but there are a lot of people on here that know a good bit. A lot of you sound like armchair QB's. So easy to do...but unless you are in the business you don't know what goes on behind the scenes. I think Levi and others bring that to the table for us. And a BIG thanks to Dr. Masters for his blogs!!


Nothing against Levi, and going out on a limb, but thats because he can go out on a limb and are no consequences if he is right or wrong, except to fellow bloggers. Credibility is the name of the game when you get to TV or NHC. This is why the NHC and most TV mets are conservative. You can't go out on a limb then realize something has drastically changed then back pedal only to have something flip back.
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886. Grothar 7:51 PM GMT on August 20, 2012    
Quoting VINNY04:
Is that headed south?


I don't know, I think Southeast

I don't know, I think Southeast
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887. WxGeekVA 7:51 PM GMT on August 20, 2012    


Click image for Levi's Recon page.

If some people want to complain about him posting links to his site, then I'll post them for him!
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889. kwgirl 7:52 PM GMT on August 20, 2012    
Quoting DaytonaBeachWatcher:
What is with all the Levi bashing?
Jealousy
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890. presslord 7:52 PM GMT on August 20, 2012    
Quoting Chucktown:


Nothing against Levi, and going out on a limb, but thats because he can go out on a limb and are no consequences if he is right or wrong, except to fellow bloggers. Credibility is the name of the game when you get to TV or NHC. This is why the NHC and most TV mets are conservative. You can't go out on a limb then realize something has drastically changed then back pedal only to have something flip back.


Oh please...Rob Fowler does it all the time...
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891. Chicklit 7:52 PM GMT on August 20, 2012    
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892. aussiecold 7:53 PM GMT on August 20, 2012    
..largo fl


well i found this...and the Last one to hit Tampa was 1846..flooded the city with storm surge..BUT..the very Lasy hurricane to hit tampa bay was..1921.............The last hurricane to hit Tampa Bay roared through in October 1921, causing widespread damage and a storm surge of 10.5 feet. The center of the storm came ashore in northern Pinellas County, near Tarpon Springs. In Tampa, water swept across DeSoto Park and over the seawall along Bayshore Boulevard. There were numerous reports of debris high in treetops the next day.
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Go to Dr Masters's blogs off two weeks and you will see ,i thought same than you just right before ,if your user id means to live in Largo ,i live in St Pete and for sure im older than you areso i do know about Tampa area very well .thanks
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893. Grothar 7:53 PM GMT on August 20, 2012    
Quoting aspiring2012:


That looks really threatening and ugly at once.


Looks like a lot or rain for somebody.
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894. TopWave 7:54 PM GMT on August 20, 2012    
This developing storm (94L) is trending a possible Irene track. Way too early to call it but it is strange that Irene hit about a year ago to almost to the day. Also Virginia had an earthquake 3 days before the storm hit.
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895. Melagoo 7:54 PM GMT on August 20, 2012    
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896. LargoFl 7:54 PM GMT on August 20, 2012    
Quoting Grothar:


Looks like a lot or rain for somebody.
..GRO..no chance this turns into a Katrina like storm huh
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897. tramp96 7:54 PM GMT on August 20, 2012    
Quoting want2lrn:
Levi, those of us who "lurk" and come here for information and questions, sincerely appreciate yours and many others valuable insight as well as "teachings". Local mets here cant tell you what tomorrow brings, much less Wednesday! Keep up the great work!

I second that Levi. I appreciate you time and work.
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898. VINNY04 7:54 PM GMT on August 20, 2012    
Quoting Grothar:


I don't know, I think Southeast

I don't know, I think Southeast
Oh boy we are about to get hammered then.
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900. Levi32 7:54 PM GMT on August 20, 2012    
Quoting Chucktown:


Nothing against Levi, and going out on a limb, but thats because he can go out on a limb and are no consequences if he is right or wrong, except to fellow bloggers. Credibility is the name of the game when you get to TV or NHC. This is why the NHC and most TV mets are conservative. You can't go out on a limb then realize something has drastically changed then back pedal only to have something flip back.


Well I do have a cone which is meant to illustrate the uncertainty that I have. However, you are right, and obviously the NHC doesn't even have to make a forecast until the system develops. Technically the NHC goes out on a limb every time they make a 5-day forecast though.
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901. icmoore 7:55 PM GMT on August 20, 2012    
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