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International Environmental Data Rescue Organization
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 6:13 PM GMT on March 01, 2006 +0
While persusing the booths at this year's annual meeting of the American Meteorological Society, I stumbled across the International Environmental Data Rescue Organization (IEDRO), and non-profit organization dedicated to saving old climate records throughout the world. I quickly signed up the Weather Underground to be a financial supporter, and urge those of you interested to contribute to this worthwhile charity!

IEDRO works primarily in third-world countries such as Kenya, Malawi, and the Dominican Republic. They hire and train local people to scan in paper climate records using a digital camera. The data are then keyed into a computer in comma-delimited format, burned onto a CD-ROM, and sent via
courier from the local U.S. embassy directly to the U.S. The final CD-ROMs end up at the National Climatic Data Center (NCDC).

In many of the countries IEDRO works in, the old climate records are literally molding away in old cardboard boxes. These records often have decayed into non-legibility. So, IEDRO is in a race against time to save the data before they are permanently lost. With the issue of climate change quickly emerging as one of the most important scientific challenges of all time to solve, as much historical data as possible needs to be saved so that we can better see where climate change might be occurring. IEDRO also provides employment to third-world workers who typically desperately need jobs, so IEDRO's efforts have a double benefit.


Dr. Rick Crouthamel of IEDRO describes how the workers they hire digitize data, using the digital camera on the stand behind him.

My next blog will be Friday.

Jeff Masters
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1. ForecasterColby 6:39 PM GMT on March 01, 2006    
First :)

Interesting organization...I'll have to do some reasearch on em.
2. ForecasterColby 6:40 PM GMT on March 01, 2006    
Hey, wait, it's masters again! Good to see you back.
3. ForecasterColby 6:46 PM GMT on March 01, 2006    
I think God's getting ready for Sodom Round III:



Look at that highway to NOLA.
4. ForecasterColby 6:49 PM GMT on March 01, 2006    
Okay, didn't work...:

5. ForecasterColby 6:51 PM GMT on March 01, 2006    
Okay...Link
6. F5 10:05 PM GMT on March 01, 2006    
Inyo,

In case you didn't see my response in Dr. Master's previous blog entry, I'll repost here...

Inyo,

We absolutely should work on making it (government) better. However, one option for making it better is outsourcing, or privatizing resources/services. If you don't look at all options, you may not be making the best decision you can. That doesn't mean that outsourcing is always the right solution, but how can you know if you don't even look at it.

Now in reference to what you said about hurricane warnings and ignoring all the poor people, that's not quite the way it would work of course. Assuming a private company(s) did run weather forecasts, they aren't going to make their money selling it to individuals. They would make their money selling it to other companies, including news stations, or provide it to consumers a la TWC. They may have a subscription process for individuals who want more details, but it's not like they would provide the data only to individuals who would pay. That wouldn't make any business sense at all. Now, where most TV stations, radio stations, etc., get their data from NWS, they would instead get it from TWC, or Accuweather, or whoever, and they would still have nightly/hourly/whatever weather reports. To assume otherwise isn't really the proper way to view the potentialities.
7. DenverMark 11:42 PM GMT on March 01, 2006    
IEDRO sounds like a really neat organization. I'll plan on making a contribution. We have so much data from North America, Europe, and other developed countries, but can't afford to lose data from any part of the world.
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8. lightning10 11:49 PM GMT on March 01, 2006    
First thing I would like to say is that when I was little I thought the government made the sun and the weather (I was a wierd kid)

Anyways to the topic on hand I like what they are doing. Its sounds like a good cause.
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9. Skyepony (Mod) 12:58 AM GMT on March 02, 2006    
I agree ~ excellent cause... Notice where some of these records date back to the 1500's? Incredible! & the cost to presearve this is nothing compared to the cost to aquire it in the 1st place (not to mention much of this is become priceless with age).

I saw no where to donate on the site so I e-mailed them about it.

NOAA is really doing another great service to the world here by taking a part in this, no telling how many lives it could save (the bridge building analogy comes to mind) as well what we might learn.

I noticed the info is digitized, stored & recorded by a govt contractor. This is good as a private company isn't gonna get this done, offer it to anyone that might could use it & turn a profit. Yet a private company is turning a profit on weather without endangering anyone with faster, cheaper, need more profit thinking.
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11. globalize 1:55 AM GMT on March 02, 2006    
Forecastercolby- your link doesn't, and please clue me in.
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13. FtWaltonBch2Tucson 1:57 AM GMT on March 02, 2006    
We actually got enough of a trace of rain today here in Tucson to make the roads slick for a while.... i doubt we got more than a couple hundredths of an inch, but the last time we had measurable rainfall was the 14th of December, so I'm hopeful that we at least have at least .02"... I'll have to check the weather tonight.....
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14. globalize 2:04 AM GMT on March 02, 2006    
Is trash on barges still dumped in ungodly amounts into the ocean as it used to be? Just wondering.
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15. KatrinaRitaWilmaZeta 3:43 AM GMT on March 02, 2006    
hey ever one that is on her whats up i have my new blog update
16. Inyo 4:28 AM GMT on March 02, 2006    
Now, where most TV stations, radio stations, etc., get their data from NWS, they would instead get it from TWC, or Accuweather, or whoever, and they would still have nightly/hourly/whatever weather reports. To assume otherwise isn't really the proper way to view the potentialities.

i don't know what things are like on the east coast but on teh west coast, TWC and Accu-Weather are only slightly more accurate than flipping a coil. They provide extremely dumbed down, generalized foreceasts. For someone like me who works in a large mountain range that varies in location and elevation, TWC and Accu-Weather would be largely useless. I'm not looking forward to getting stuck on a peak in a blizzard beacuse accu-weather, as usual, had no concept of the snow level on a mountain range only 30 miles across. I guess i will allow me to get back to the old fashioned way of forecasting weather... watching the clouds and wind, feeling temperature changes and sensing pressure changes. On that alone, i could do better than accu-weather on most mountain locations.

The detailed NWS forecasts, forecast discussions, computer models, and detailed 1 km sattelite pictures are vital to me and to many others. Without these, i would be pretty screwed.. but I don't see accu-weather ever coming through with that stuff. And the TWC website is so buggy and full of ads, it barely runs on my crappy government work computer.

You say it doesnt make business sense not to provide free forecasts... this is silly.. i say it doesnt make sense TO provide free anything.

I know i already posted on this... but i have a LOT of experience with outsourcing. I work for the government now but i have also often been on the other side of outsourcing, on the corporate side.

From my experience, outsourcing is VERY inefficient, leads to extreme drops in quality and timeliness, and ends up costing the government MORE than just doing the work in house. I realize outsourcing is a good way to do things for military contracts, etc, it doesnt make sense to have government plants creating 4000 b-2 bombers, its easier to send it to Northrop or whatever. HOWEVER, in the scienece world, outsourcing has been a disaster. Private firms charge much, much more per hour than a qualified government employee (me) makes. They return substandard documents beacuse the gutted government agency has neither the time nor the resources to answer for. Their top priority is necessarily making money, not producing a good forecast or managing the land in the most beneificial way. And this is all in the short term... few private companies will care about the state a forest will be in 50 years when they are dead.. it's bad business. And with the addition of many 'middlemen', efficiency is slashed dramatically. I feel very strongly that mandated outsourcing has crippled the park and forest service and continues to do so. If it is instituted in the NWS, i don't see why it wouldn't be the same way.

I realize you have positive experiences with some corporations, and like i said, in many places it makes sense. But i strongly urge you to do more research, talk to more governmnet workers AND contract workers, and look into the issue further before you decide this is good for a science field. I can say, very authoratively, that it is very bad.
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17. Skyepony (Mod) 5:03 AM GMT on March 02, 2006    
Inyo~ out sourceing has been bad for NASA as well. The only reason I liked it for the data gathering info is because of the privacy partnership policy~ By out sourcing in these ways the noncompatition laws that accuweather has forced them into are satisfied, while those that need that NWS forecast can get a hold of it.
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18. Skyepony (Mod) 5:23 AM GMT on March 02, 2006    
F5~ Here's the prices in Australia to view weather data, beyond what the media chooses to show

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19. Inyo 6:25 AM GMT on March 02, 2006    
also, we as taxpayers pay for the satellites, radar, supercomputers etc, since no corporation can buy that stuff. Thus, under the Freedom of Information Act, we should have access to the satellite, radar, and model data at any time. If they want to leave the interpretation (written forecasts, etc) to accu-weather, i could care less, i will jsut ignore them.
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22. Inyo 5:24 PM GMT on March 02, 2006    
If antropomorphic climate change IS occurring, that is probably an added reason this administration wants to restrict the dessimination of weather data!
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23. SarahFromFLA 6:16 PM GMT on March 02, 2006    
Are you talking about Sen. Santorum's bill?
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24. oriondarkwood 6:27 PM GMT on March 02, 2006    
Catch this one, UN is predicting the 06 Hurricane season could match the 05 second. Looks like we might be in for another wild ride people.

http://tinyurl.com/qcw37
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25. KatrinaRitaWilmaZeta 7:33 PM GMT on March 02, 2006    
hmmmm what is that www.kcra.com/wxmap/4540078/detail.html
27. ForecasterColby 8:26 PM GMT on March 02, 2006    
Actually, it's a cutoff low, and it's been getting streadily more organized. Since on the off-chance it did develop it would be of the Epsilon/Zeta type, upper-level shear would likely not mean anything. *checks mid-level*

Hmmm...almost zero over this low...

28. ForecasterColby 8:27 PM GMT on March 02, 2006    
Also note the moister air and lower shear moving towards it:

29. ForecasterColby 8:37 PM GMT on March 02, 2006    
I'm about to post a blog on this low.
30. Skyepony (Mod) 8:42 PM GMT on March 02, 2006    
yes~ looks a little more organized then I expected it would be today. Is QUICKSCAT down? or just a problem from my end?
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31. ForecasterColby 8:44 PM GMT on March 02, 2006    
It's you. QuickScat shows a beautiful circulation, but winds only 5-10kt at the moment. If it transitions, that's where we'll see it first as the winds move downward.
32. KatrinaRitaWilmaZeta 8:53 PM GMT on March 02, 2006    
ForecasterColby mail for you
33. Skyepony (Mod) 8:56 PM GMT on March 02, 2006    
I tried it again & it workd but check the time on the decending pass.
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35. ForecasterColby 9:12 PM GMT on March 02, 2006    
I'd say it has a chance, but not much of one - it is March, after all.
36. Skyepony (Mod) 9:15 PM GMT on March 02, 2006    
it doesn't look too likely to develop to me. I'm getting caught out in the inconsistances... Nothing images on quickscat a few minutes (20:54 UTC) it's up with the time taken at like 21:08. the floater & NOAA images in 1 min will be running a full hour behind with last update missed at 20:45
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37. Skyepony (Mod) 9:20 PM GMT on March 02, 2006    
the 20:45 just came up the center of circulation now matches the quickscat alot better. It really jumped north in the last hour. There is a lot of dry air around there & looks to have just sucked some toward the center area.
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38. ForecasterColby 9:21 PM GMT on March 02, 2006    
*shifty eyes* It's Bush trying to prevent us from seeing a global warming caused 'cane :)))
39. Skyepony (Mod) 9:37 PM GMT on March 02, 2006    
Well when NOAA was a 1/2 hour behind TWC was near an hour behind & accuweather was a full 2 hours behind.
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40. globalize 9:38 PM GMT on March 02, 2006    
No, that low is not going to develop, perhaps hook up with the moisture to the north and makes some rain. But it's picture perfect, and would be kicking if the water were 5 degrees warmer, just 5 degrees. That's only a few more weeks. Heat in the south and the Gulf is building fast.
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42. globalize 9:47 PM GMT on March 02, 2006    
MSTL- you could be right. We saw the long held notion that 80 degree sst was needed for tropical development contradicted a half dozen times last year.
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43. Skyepony (Mod) 9:49 PM GMT on March 02, 2006    
TROPICAL WEATHER DISCUSSION
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
2205 UTC THU MAR 02 2006

WELL DEFINED CUTOFF UPPER LEVEL LOW IS CENTERED OVER THE BAY OF
CAMPECHE NEAR 21N92W.

~ once again notice time, coming out early
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45. RL3AO 11:34 PM GMT on March 02, 2006    
quick question, when is the meeting to announce/decide the Social Security recievers of the 2005 Atlantic Season?
46. Skyepony (Mod) 11:46 PM GMT on March 02, 2006    
Was I on the computer that evening, when this says the sun set an hour early? Does anyone remember all this histaria last week? Link
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47. dcw 12:55 AM GMT on March 03, 2006    
The Onion is a spoof site, just so you know.
49. HurricaneMyles 1:47 AM GMT on March 03, 2006    
and what would make you say that cyclonebuster?
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