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Grading NHC's Tropical Weather Outlook
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 4:33 PM GMT on June 06, 2007 +4
The National Hurricane Center's Tropical Weather Outlook (TWO) is a text-only product that rates the potential of disturbed areas of weather to turn into tropical depressions or tropical storms. The outlooks are issued four times daily, at 5am, 11am, 5pm, and 11pm EDT. I've found them to be an excellent guide to what to watch out for. But how accurate are these outlooks? To find out, Jamie Rhome and Dan Brown, who are two of the hurricane specialists that write the Tropical Weather Outlook, verified the accuracy of all the outlooks issued in 2005 and 2006. They used a three-tiered classification of threat based on the following language appearing in the TWO:

High: "A tropical depression could form tonight or the next day."

Medium: "Some slow development is possible."

Low: "Tropical storm formation is not expected."


These forecasts were then graded by looking at the "best track" database of Atlantic hurricanes and seeing if a tropical depression formed within 48 hours of each TWO issued. The results, shown below, reveal that for the Atlantic in the years 2005 and 2006:

-When the TWO said, "A tropical depression could form tonight of the next day," a depression formed within 48 hours 53% of the time.

-When the TWO said, "Some slow development is possible," a tropical depression formed within 48 hours about 20% of the time.

-When the TWO said, "Tropical storm formation is not expected," a tropical depression formed within 48 hours only 3% of the time.




Figure 1. Verification of the Atlantic and Eastern Pacific Tropical Weather Outlooks issued in 2005 and 2006. Image credit: Jamie Rhome and Dan Brown, National Hurricane Center.

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1201. Drakoen 11:07 PM GMT on June 09, 2007    
i guess i gave TWC too much credit oh well. That Blob was right near that ladys belly and nothing mentioned. I guess she didn't have Steve Lyons write a script for her oh well. Lets see if the the system will gain some more convection overngiht.
SWFL we can't be talking about long term conditions when the system hasn't even developed yet. As of now we are talking about the short term which at this point is the main focus. That upper level low if a few hundred miles north of the "Blob". The shear charts showing moderate trend of marginal to favorable upper level winds. And the SST remain warm enough to support tropcal cyclone development.
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1202. kmanislander 11:07 PM GMT on June 09, 2007    
Stormpetrol

Big rain coming from the East. Soon be in South Sound. Looks like the thunder is coming from those thunderclouds SW of us and also from the SE
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1203. sporteguy03 11:07 PM GMT on June 09, 2007    
JP,
Thats what Tom Terry said
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1204. ryang 11:08 PM GMT on June 09, 2007    
Looks good!!

map
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1205. Drakoen 11:09 PM GMT on June 09, 2007    
These types of storm if we want to see development have to persist in the Carribean for at least 24 hours. I am noticing a slight northward moving indicating that it may be moving away from land. I still wanna see the QuickSat image to see if there is a low somewhere in or around the system.
I would not be suprised to see the convection dissapate a bit before "blowing up" again.
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1206. kmanislander 11:09 PM GMT on June 09, 2007    
gotta go set up my grill
BBL
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1207. DocBen 11:09 PM GMT on June 09, 2007    
Is that Carib blob at diurnal minimum? Max before dawn?
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1209. louisianaboy444 11:10 PM GMT on June 09, 2007    
i'm like everyone else in here i wanna wait until tomorow and see if these areas of interest can hold their own and if they do then will get my attention....all i said was that i wish the weather channel would go into more detail on their tropical updates
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1210. Drakoen 11:10 PM GMT on June 09, 2007    
ryang let see if the system will persist in that general area. I really wanna hear what the NHC has to say about the BLOB in the next dicussion.
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1211. KYhomeboy 11:10 PM GMT on June 09, 2007    
Hey fellow caymanians...nice thunder huh? lol
1213. ryang 11:12 PM GMT on June 09, 2007    
But it looks like the convection is being sheared to the north.
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1214. kmanislander 11:13 PM GMT on June 09, 2007    
Hey KY

Thunderstorm season is here for us !
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1215. kmanislander 11:13 PM GMT on June 09, 2007    
Will BBL
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1216. ryang 11:14 PM GMT on June 09, 2007    
My bad, shear is not high, it must be the outflow.

map
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1217. louisianaboy444 11:15 PM GMT on June 09, 2007    
do you think all that excess convection stretching south of panama will be pulled up into the carib. or is that even associated with the initial area of interest
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1218. Drakoen 11:16 PM GMT on June 09, 2007    
yes ryang shear is not bad. If the system is good enough it could very well sustain itself in that area something like what Barry did.
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1219. Tazmanian 11:20 PM GMT on June 09, 2007    
Tropical Weather Outlook



Statement as of 5:30 PM EDT on June 9, 2007

For the North Atlantic...Caribbean Sea and the Gulf of Mexico...
A large tropical wave...located just offshore of west Africa...is
moving westward at 15 to 20 mph. Associated thunderstorm activity
is minimal... and environmental conditions are not favorable for
further development.
Elsewhere...tropical cyclone formation is not expected during the
next 48 hours.
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1220. Drakoen 11:20 PM GMT on June 09, 2007    
Posted By: louisianaboy444 at 11:15 PM GMT on June 09, 2007.

do you think all that excess convection stretching south of panama will be pulled up into the carib. or is that even associated with the initial area of interest


It could be it has to do with whether or not there is a low in the area trying to wrap the convection around it.
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1221. Drakoen 11:21 PM GMT on June 09, 2007    
It could be that the NHC deosn't think much of the system in the SW. Carribean. Always interesting to see BLOBs form in the Carribean at this time of the year.
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1223. Drakoen 11:26 PM GMT on June 09, 2007    
yes JP that is a possiblilty too. I am sure that they are watching it but you never know. Heres the system again.
BLOB
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1224. Tazmanian 11:27 PM GMT on June 09, 2007    
this is more like it

lol
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1225. stormpetrol 11:29 PM GMT on June 09, 2007    
yes KYhomeboy, first significant thunder for the season Cheers.
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1226. Drakoen 11:32 PM GMT on June 09, 2007    
I like how those graphics can make a system look so good. Anyone know when the next QuickSat is coming out?
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1227. Drakoen 11:33 PM GMT on June 09, 2007    
Wind Direction (WDIR): E ( 80 deg true )
Wind Speed (WSPD): 7.8 kts
Wind Gust (GST): 11.7 kts
Atmospheric Pressure (PRES): 29.84 in
Pressure Tendency (PTDY): +0.00 in ( Steady )
Air Temperature (ATMP): 83.5 °F
Water Temperature (WTMP): 84.7 °F

buoy north of the system East wind.
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1230. Drakoen 11:36 PM GMT on June 09, 2007    
sweet can you post the link when it shows the SW Caribbean. thanks!
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1231. Drakoen 11:37 PM GMT on June 09, 2007    
i wish they had a buoy In the extreme SW Caribbean would make knowing there is a low alot more definitive.
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1233. ryang 11:38 PM GMT on June 09, 2007    
JP i see red on that blob off africa on the QuickSat map.
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1234. kmanislander 11:39 PM GMT on June 09, 2007    
West winds at Panama City. Have been there for the last 7 hrs or so

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1235. Drakoen 11:39 PM GMT on June 09, 2007    
Broad area of low pressure maybe. otherwise known as a tropical wave. hehe. Waiting for the NHC 8:05 pm discussion
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1236. kmanislander 11:39 PM GMT on June 09, 2007    
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1237. Patrap 11:39 PM GMT on June 09, 2007    
4-panel WV zoom...Link
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1238. Drakoen 11:40 PM GMT on June 09, 2007    
Kman i see a red box.
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1239. kmanislander 11:41 PM GMT on June 09, 2007    
Panama City obs. Sorry but the image would not post

Link
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1240. Drakoen 11:44 PM GMT on June 09, 2007    
Sat
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1241. ClearH2OFla 11:48 PM GMT on June 09, 2007    
Drak im not thinking that blob off the Costa rican coast is going to be anything
1242. kmanislander 11:49 PM GMT on June 09, 2007    
The ULL over W Cuba would have to get out of the way first for anything to develop in the Caribbean. The blob is safe from shear where it is now but anything N of 15 N is pretty hostile at the momentLink
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1243. RL3AO 11:51 PM GMT on June 09, 2007    
I think Quikscat might miss the Panama blob.
1244. kmanislander 11:52 PM GMT on June 09, 2007    
The shear map is showing 20 to 30 knots of shear over it now
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1245. Drakoen 11:54 PM GMT on June 09, 2007    
Kman i see 5 -10 knts of shear over the system look at what ryang posted and look at the shear forecast.
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1246. Patrap 11:54 PM GMT on June 09, 2007    
QUIKSCAT Ocean page...Link
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1247. Patrap 11:55 PM GMT on June 09, 2007    
Africa..earlier .Link
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1248. TheRingo 11:56 PM GMT on June 09, 2007    
I see that ULL moving to the sw. Once it's out of the way it should take the shear with it.
1249. kmanislander 11:56 PM GMT on June 09, 2007    
Take a look at this map and then look at the WVloop I posted. You can see a NE movement in the high clouds in that area



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1250. Drakoen 11:56 PM GMT on June 09, 2007    
i hope it doesn't miss it lol. That would be very sad.
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1251. Patrap 11:57 PM GMT on June 09, 2007    
QuikSCAT Storm Page
No Active Storms
Link
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